What Grips harder?

[Tim Laycock]

This might be interesting.
Between a Goshawk and a Red Tail which do you think has the most powerfull grip?

For obvious reasons footing ability is not what I mean! :lol:

Please register a vote. Even if you do not have practical experience of both species you must have an opinion.

[The Late Lord Lucan]

I may be wrong, but I'm sure I read somewhere, that pound for pound, the female Redtail probably has the most powrful grip of any bird.

Regards,
LLL.

[Tim Laycock]

Never had a Red Tail go through a standard hawking glove.
Had it with more than one female Gos.

[Osiris]

Lol - had a FRT grip but didnt go through glove either... only heald a male gos - lol.... but nope. Female RT had gr8 gripping poweress.

[The Late Lord Lucan]

Never had a Red Tail go through a standard hawking glove

My female pushed her blunt back talon thru a Martin Jones double thickness glove and into the back of my hand.......
My mate was casting her at the time....he didn't believe me until I took the glove off and he saw my hand.

My male Gos managed to find the joins in the glove on regular occasions, that wasn't very pleasant either!

Regards,
LLL.

[Tim Laycock]

Martin Jones double thickness glove
**** leather m8 :wink:

I suppose what Im on about when I think about it is the ability to pierce.
Slightly different, though very closely related to grip.

[The Late Lord Lucan]

I suppose what Im on about when I think about it is the ability to pierce.
Slightly different, though very closely related to grip.
I've noticed that most Reds seem to have talons considerably less sharp than a Gos. This would obviously make a big difference. I have the utmost respect for a bird that can ram a blunt talon through most things that are put in front of it.
That doesn't mean I have less respect for the Gos, I don't think the strenglth difference is really possible to measure just by how hard it grips the glove, I think it would be fair to say that a hand is not sensitive enough to differentiate between two so closely matched.

Regards,
Lucky.

[Kornie]

I'd have to go with red tail... Only ever held your gos Tim and she never gripped, and she was only 9 weeks. But its a scary prospect having a gripping red tail on the fist. Very powerful indeed

[Tim Laycock]

I believe that A red tails talons and feet are more suited to gripping loose skin and crushing.(Ground game)

A goshawks Talons are long and more curved they are more inclined to pierce when something is gripped rather than fold skin and lock on to it.(Feathered game)

[Goldie]

As the question is which of the two has the most powerfull grip, the answer without ANY doubt is the Red Tail

[Goose]

I,ve not held a Gos but the Gos seems to be sleek and precise where as a Red Tail is more braun than brains

[IAmTheWeasel]

Physicaly, there is no comparison. I'm not really sure why this thread is up here with a poll to boot! The poll might as well be "Which is stronger, a Kestrel or a Golden eagle?", I think this is just another thread so that the red flyers and the gos flyers can claim there's is better.......Pointless as we all know the red is far superior to the gos....... :lol: ....Relax.....it's a joke......I can see the gos flyers hitting the keyboards already.....The Red tail has quite a bit more strength in it's feet due to sheer toe size and muscularity. Look closely at the Gos's toes and you will note that they are designed in a slender, longer way that an RT's. the same goes for the smaller femur, tibiotarsus and tarsometatarsus which all hold the muscle and the tendons which operate the toes called the extensor and flexor tendons. RT's toes are fat and relatively short as compared to body size and the fatter toes are armed with larger, stronger talons to compensate for the increased strength. If you look closely enough, you will see that the gos's talons have slightly less curvature to them as they are more designed to take a broader spectrum of quarry such as birds as well as mammels. The red tail on the other hand is almost entirely designed for ground quarry mammals with the extra thickness and grip strength to hold them and kill them. Look at the shape of your birds talons and note the indented shape that the talon takes on the inside. This has been desribed by many as a blood letting groove for quicker dispatch of quarry. Neat fact for you all....In America, the bird with the strongest foot to body size ratio is the American Kestrel.

[Goldie]

Bloody heck Noel !! all that to confirm the Red grips harder :lol:
Seriously mate, very informative, good post.
Jim

[IAmTheWeasel]

Yea, I have absolutely no social life at the moment.........I read alot of books......alot of boring books with facts for that matter and I have a knack for remembering trivial information at times.....I had heard somewhere that the average ft/lb grip of a red tail (didn't specify male or female) was around 80lbs/sq/in at the tips of the talons. I am going to try search the net for some info on this.

[Mr_Colin]

Slightly off thread a little but I recon my wife's grip on my knackers is the better grip when I told her I spent £104 with Ben Long at the bash. :wink: :lol:

[Goldie]

Slightly off thread a little but I recon my wife's grip on my knackers is the better grip when I told her I spent £104 with Ben Long at the bash. :wink: :lol:

You mean to say you never told her you won it in the raffle ? :roll:
You have much to learn Colin :lol: :lol:

[Mr_Colin]

Nah but have a little surprise for her. A cheque for £830. I think I earn't the £104 spent. Mind you she's not spending any of it, it goes straight to my Falconry Fund. :supz: :lol:

[IAmTheWeasel]

I see the road to trouble.......trust me I know......... :wink:

[Bones]

I would personally say a female redtail as felt full force of one when its ****ed off (taking young to be rung up)not felt the power in a goss feet so cant say but goin on my experience with them i would say reds
PAUL

[Ian Wileman]

what about pound for pound? which of all the BOP's has the greatest grip?

[Wightwings]

red tail........

[IAmTheWeasel]

Harpy eagle. Not sure of the actual grip strength, but the guiness book of world records lists the harpy the strongest bird of prey and as having the impact stregth of a high powered rifle on contact with it's quarry.

[Tanith]

But Mr Colin the jacket looked sooooooooooo good.

[Saker Mad]

when i caught upmy reds after breeding they both peircedthe glove and it is a good quality glove the female actually went through both the glove and the talon went into my hand it was a double thicknes glove she also grabed my tweed hunting jacket and grabed my arm just tomake her point that she was a bit peed off

[Tim Laycock]

the fatter toes are armed with larger, stronger talons
I think what you mean is shorter, Fat and far less refined talons :finga: :lol: :wink:

Slightly off thread a little but I recon my wife's grip on my knackers is the better grip when I told her I spent £104 with Ben Long at the bash.
pmsl Mr_Colin

[Chris S]

no contest female red, had a female finnish but not even close to the power of a red,had a red go through glove,skin took half an hour to get the bitch off all i could feel was the warmth of my blood filling the glove and that was all because i put a hood on her,so if anyone would like to hood her to see for themselfs feel free :mrgreen:

[Tim Laycock]

If you lived closer I would :lol: (I would bring my own glove though) :wink:

[ColdZero]

You guys must buy some truly **** gloves :? :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

You guys must buy some truly **** gloves
My thoughts entirely!

CZ. Nice avatar <btw>

[ColdZero]

Thanks, i am going to alter it so it looks more like alex from the clockwork orange :lol:

[Osiris]

Lol - i like yer avitar to :D

I use the ben long glove - gr8 glove!

[Saker Mad]

You guys must buy some truly **** gloves :? :lol:

mines good qauilty £ 60 i paid for it 3 years ago and you can still bend your fingers in it not like some ive seen where they are like having a block of cement on your hand ive handled euro owls gosshawks ferus and none have broke through only a very peed of red who by the way was at 6 and 3/4 pounds at the time plus had just had here baby die talk out post natal depresion she just wanted to eat everything including ME nasty peice of work that one im pleased she has gone

[Adam Barrett]

6 and 3/4 pounds

bloody hell :o what does she fly at?

your lucky she only went through your glove could of ripped your arm of mate :wink: :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

The price of a glove is in no way indicative of the quality<vbg>

[IAmTheWeasel]

6 and 3/4 lbs? Are you sure it wasn't an eagle? :wink:

[Goldie]

So there are at least 8 people voted who have never been gripped by a Red Tail :lol:

[GDN]

6 and 3/4 red tail don't you mean a 6 and 3/4 typo.

As for gloves. It has got to be a ben long. Use 1 at the mo. Had it for over 2 years and i have everything on it. Still nice and flexible the only thing that has got through it is my EEO but he is in the process of trashing an eagle glove now which came from anoth supplier (not naming names) and succeeding

[Tim Laycock]

So there are at least 8 people voted who have never been gripped by a Red Tail
No! At least seven. :wink: :lol:

[Colohen]

Ive worked with both plus other wild raptors. I don't even bother with Falconry gloves , to light and not enough coverage area . The glove I use is heavy leather over calvaler with 5mm insulation and a double liner. I have only had one bird go through it , Great Horned Owl.
But of the RT vs GH, RT has all the power but oh so sharp is the gos!!

It's not always the size of the equipment but how you use it! 8)

[Tim Laycock]

8) :D

[Cyclone]

i have neva handled a gos, but from the redtails i have handled i would say that reds have a bloody good grip on them
cyclone

[Kornie]

Its ok Blackbird, goshawks still have a resonable grip on them... :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

8)Dont I know it! Mine "Tagged" me today.
It hurts! :lol:

[Kornie]

Ahhh... sign of affection Tim.

So its finaly learnt the true use of her feet has she? And does she have her yellow eye yet.

[Tim Laycock]

Yes shes got a definite tinge of yellow in her eyes now.
And I can certainly vouch for the fact that she now knows what her feet are for!

[Varmint]

Absolutley, unquestionably and without any doubt from someone who has been tagged by both species more times than i care to admit (once had my hand broken by a Gos!) it has to be the female Redtail.

No question! 8)

[Hawkmaster]

I agree and have voted too, Female Red! :lol:

[M & J Raptors]

Having been footed by both, Redtail by a mile, once they lock on, your ****ed,

[Goldie]

Having been footed by both, Redtail by a mile, once they lock on, your ****ed,

aint that the truth

[Tim Laycock]

Does anyone agree with my theory that the Gos foot is for driving talons in but the reds foot is more for crushing :?:

[Varmint]

once they lock on, your ****ed

What? Proper ****ed?
:D

[Ben C]

There was a bloke once who took a wee while hunting.............yep a Gos foot straight through the ole man.....****ing through 5 holes he was........ask him which has the best grip :) :)


True story as well. :)

[Tim Laycock]

:shock: Oh dear!

[Chris S]

lucky it was a gos then or he would be pi**ing in her mouth as she was eating it :mrgreen:

[Ben C]

Honest Injun........I have just had that story told to me by my mentor.....well I hope he wasn't lying....cost me a pint and a nice meal!! :) :) :)

[Takajo]

5 holes :!: :?: Just doin the math in my head :roll:

[Tim Laycock]

Might only of been able to get a foot and a bit on it! :oops: :lol:

[Colohen]

Could not have been a true gos, there would have been 9 holes. The gos has bit hold :o before the talons get there!! :supz:

[Takajo]

A RedTail, with its kung-fu grip, would've done im a favour and given im an extension. You know, that dough-kneeding effect :mrgreen:

[The Late Lord Lucan]

A RedTail, with its kung-fu grip, would've done im a favour and given im an extension. You know, that dough-kneeding effect

Somehow, I think it might just have burst..... :vom:

[Shaun Byrne]

Should have bought a Falconers dick shield from Westweald Falconry :D


Kevlar dick shield. Protection from your bird while you take a leak with your hungry bird watching from above! Only available in falconers sizes 9” / 10” / 11” / 12” Please send outline drawing!…….only kidding…… really!

[The Late Lord Lucan]

Only available in falconers sizes

Brian keeps asking me if I can get a photo together for the website, but everyones too embarrased to 'model' it. I'd do it myself, but the extra long version hasn't arrived yet.

He also keeps a 'carbine' version for some of you not so 'Lucky' guys!! :lol: :lol:

[Shaun Byrne]

I asked him for the "Blunderbuss" model but he said he didn't have enough Kevlar :shock: :D

[Shaun Byrne]

On that subject, I was out flying over a local farm one weekend. I was just walking through the farmyard and was attacked by the farmers German Shepherd. Went straight for me tackle and made a right mess, had to go for surgery, left me with a 10" stump :wink: :D :D :D

[Varmint]

You wish Shaun? i've heard you had two nick names with the local ladies mate!

Tintin and Justin? :lol: :lol: 8)

[Goldie]

lmao :butthead:

[Tim Laycock]

:lol: :mrgreen:

[Orvil]

the red tail is more powerful

[Tim Laycock]

Yes but could you tell if you had both of them squeezing one Knacker each :lol:

[The Late Lord Lucan]

Yes but could you tell if you had both of them squeezing one Knacker each

For sure!

My balls are made of steel, only a redtail would get through that!!

LLL.

[Tim Laycock]

:shock: rpmsl

[Arthur]

i don't suppose it's relevant but
Solvite .... thats if you believe the TV ads !!!!!!!
regards ,
arthur ,
(*v*) ...

[Afshimo]

lol!

[Arthur]

yeah ....
copy & paste babe ......

[Arthur]

ooopss bubo :-)

[High Flyer]

your wife got me by the knackers as well

[Stormy007]

deffo a r/t i,ve had 2 talons of my r/t right through my finger and out the other side(and it hurts oooohh)

[Tiercel78]

I vote for the RT's for pure brute grip power. I will agree with Finnish and Weasel in that the Gos's talons will pierce things easier due to the way they are shaped. Those are two different qualities all together. When I got it from a real big hen I didn't feel any pain till she let go. It just felt like I hand my hand was in a vise. You know like that feeling like when you go to the dentist to get a cavity drilled out. You know something is in ya but you really don't feel the pain. I really don't like getting nailed by the Gos's smaller cousin the Coopers. Every time I got nailed it feels like a really deep Cat scratch. Kinda adds a stinging sensation to the nice hole as well. I haven't been footed by a Gos yet but if it's anything like a Coops I don't want to. Course the Coopers isn't as strong as a Gos so it's instant pain.-Zach

[Milan Jarzabek]

gosgawk it is number ONE

[Hacker]

Simple really , just get a volunteer to sit a gos on one hand and a female rt on the other and let the competition commence!
Just let it be known i am not in the forces so i do not volunteer.:lol: