Horror story from Vet

[Ben C]

I took Cody back to the Vets.....Again nothing wrong with the eye, its not the hairs touching it, he flushed it again and gave me some weird cream/drops. All well and good................But the great big pumper presented me with Cody's entire centre deck feather including the sodding bell!!! "I've never had that happen before, it just fell out !!!" 5 MONTHS THAT TOOK TO GROW.

What can I do if anything????????

[Bash]

Imp it if possible.

[IAmTheWeasel]

Can't if it fell out. Put the bell on the other deck and hope that it doesn't fall out too! Could be stress related

[Ben C]

Not stress...............flew 15ft on the creance 10 minutes after return from vet. First time of asking!! His weight is around 740 grammes as opposed to 700 last year. His condition is brilliant and the Vet didn't need to knock him out for the drops. Just badly cast by an inexperienced bloody nurse I think!!!

[MickeyDredd]

I think you need to give that nurse some "experience" :lol:

[Ben C]

She can experience my bloody fist if she likes....fuming I am, fuming.

[Mr_Colin]

Maybe it's time for the other vet Ben if you still haven't got any idea. Those feathers looked close but then I didn't get as close as a vet would.

[Ben C]

The eye hasn't closed today so fingers crossed.....but Col your right on the vet front mate....out with the old in with the new!! :)

[Adam Barrett]

you could use a brass tail tube as they only need fix to one of the feathers and using a crimping tool makes the job real easy.

i dont know what to suggest about the bell maybe just go back to two leg bells?

its a unlucky accident mate im sure you'll have him up and going in no time.
All the best
Adam

[Dave G]

whoooopsssss you will have to put him up for the year no good with the deck feather missing bad look mate :oops: lol only joking im sure with all your experience you will come up with away to sort the prob out

[Adam Barrett]

is it both deck feathers or just one mate?

[Shaun Byrne]

Just tell everyone he's a Black Kite.........Sorted :D

[ColdZero]

I feel for you, after all the waiting and admiring the new feathers :cry: Is it possible to just imp it?

[MickeyDredd]

Nope, nothing to imp on to.

Ben, how come you were not there to cast Cody yourself?

[Ben C]

My hawk is so good romeo he'd f'cukin fly with cellophane and lead for wings mate!!! Ya sarky get :) :) :).....my experience tells me to keep flying as I would if it happened mid-season. :) See you'd be alright you have two hawks to fly, ones down pick up another :) :)

Nope I wasn't there to cast it, he said he was going to put him under for a proper cornea inspection.....etc etc. Its just the one centre feather.......

Proper numpty.

[OutFlying]

use one leg bell, and keep your fingers crossed and hope the deck starts to regrow. Do you tail mount your telemetry ? if so mount on the next feather on the good side.

OF.

[Ben C]

OF as per usual I concur. Thankfully he flew 30ft INSTANT at his lofting weight of 740grms again this evening, so it should start to re-grow at this weight?

But as you say fingers crossed.

regards

ben

[Goldie]

flew 15ft on the creance 10 minutes after return from vet. First time of asking!! His weight is around 740 grammes as opposed to 700 last year.

Told you i could have flown him on saturday :wink: ya big girls blouse :lol:

[Dave G]

:lol: nice one ben yep thats the good thing of having 2 to play with ,but like you said it could have happend mid way through the season and you would have carried on but i do understand how you feel ,as i get a bit ****ed when arnie breaks the ends off the tips of his wings when he goes in hard after the pheasants , had had to put him up for 6 weeks the other year as he ripped the the talon right in half but lucky enough a little rest and sugar :lol: put it right yes i used sugar to stop the bleeding and clogg it to heal quicker a tip off an animal man and it worked better than any creams :P so ben stop frowning and start hunting :wink:

[Ben C]

Goldie what can I say :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: (incidently the vet is a GOS MAN!!! makes ya wonder???)

Romeo: I am on me way mate, I am on me way!!! :) :)

[OutFlying]

OF as per usual I concur. Thankfully he flew 30ft INSTANT at his lofting weight of 740grms again this evening, so it should start to re-grow at this weight?

But as you say fingers crossed.

regards

ben

Ben,
It will depend on how the feather came out, if it was "accidently pulled out" when the hawk struggled or something similar than in my experience its pot luck if it ever grows back. On the other hand if it just fell out (never had it happen so don't really know....) you might be lucky. Ask yourself Ben, "do you feel lucky punk" aka Dirty Harry or should that be Dirty Harris :lol:

[OutFlying]

Forgot to say Ben, lost both center decks last season. He still fly flew well and caught plenty afterwards. It ain't the end of the world even though it plays on your mind.

OF.

[Ben C]

I always feel lucky punk!!! :) :) Just another lesson learn't and one that is just as steep as any so far encountered. Not liking the word EVER in your statement....is that EVER as in FOREVER or just this season??????

On a side note: Is it me or do you lot feel in absolute pain when something like this happens???? I cannot get over the stress it causes me....christ its only one feather but it niggles my head right through!!!

[OutFlying]

forever.........

The thing that strikes me most Ben is that it was the feather with a bell on that just fell off, whats the chances of that ? To me it been pulled out with bell catching on the towel etc - Might be wrong but you've been unlucky. Hope it grows back.

Jim.

[OutFlying]

Ask BrianM,
Did the decks regrow on his lugger falcon.

OF.

[BrianM]

Ask BrianM,
Did the decks regrow on his lugger falcon.

OF.
they have now jim ,, but the guy i bought it from had told me she had already went through a moult ( crock of **** ) because when i got her back she through feathers all over the shop...... just about there now though

[Dave G]

:o so you say the vet was a goss man then ben :( say no more as they hate the fact that the harris is a better bird :wink: :wink: comes back when called ,can be flown at different weights as in give and take a few oz can catch most things and dont go in a huff when missed prey they get up and go :lol: :lol: :lol: better cover my ears as bet im in for a goss bashing eahhh ben :lol:

[Ben C]

Good good........cheers lads :) :)

[Sprout]

Has the feather been plucked out whole or was it a pinched feather? If the feather was plucked cleanly it should regrow ok but it all depends whether the follicle was damaged, some people recommend packing the empty follicle with bees wax but in my experience I just leave it and keep fingers crossed.

[Vizla]

ben spoke to friend who is a good vet but better than that hes friends with avian vet suggests you should ask for a die contact wash which will tell your vet if anything is rubbing inside its eye if it is only conjunctivitus you should be getting sterile wash followed by anti biotic wash hope this helps sorry to hear about c/ d feathers

[Sprout]

Sounds like your talking about fluoroscein dye, will normally run off the cornea but if something has rubbed on the eye and caused an ulcer it will stain the ulcer bright green. I'd be pretty sure this would already have been done, the first, most basic test when dealing with eye problems in all species.

[Kevin Massey]

Sounds like your talking about fluoroscein dye, will normally run off the cornea but if something has rubbed on the eye and caused an ulcer it will stain the ulcer bright green. I'd be pretty sure this would already have been done, the first, most basic test when dealing with eye problems in all species.

when i spoke to ben on friday....i was shocked the vet had'nt done this already....

ben has he used any on his eye yet?

kev

[Kornie]

Ben I feel for you, its little things like that that drive me bananas!!! Really gets up my nose, but from someone elses point of view it could "only be one feather".

Hope it grows back.

[The Late Lord Lucan]

Had you thought that he might just be chucking a double moult?
Sounds suspiciously like it to me, especially as it is the centre deck thats gone.
My old female redtail used to do it EVERY year, without fail.
It didn't matter how early I started to cut the weight. I lost three tail feathers and four secondarys one year, what a nightmare.
I just learned to wait a while before fixing the tail bell.

Regards,
Lucky.

[Ben C]

He has done the dye in the eye............nothing.

I now have Fucithalmic cream, 3 times a day for the next 3 days. Blood test was clear, swabs showed a mild conjuntivitis!!!

The vet washed it out again and he came home fine, although he closed it slowly very late last night.


Tail feather came out in one clean piece....no blood. nothing.

Strangely LLL that information helps a lot, at least I am not alone eh.

[The Late Lord Lucan]

Tail feather came out in one clean piece....no blood. nothing.
Strangely LLL that information helps a lot, at least I am not alone eh

When did he hard pen from the moult Benc?
I don't know what sort of bird he is, not sure wether it would make a difference.
I have seen a lot of birds try a double moult, a lot of Harris hawks, quite a few reds, and some others.
If they finish the moult early and the weather is good seems to set it off quite well....
My Red tail used to finish about October, within a couple of weeks, the decks were out....

Regards,
LLL.

[Ben C]

The weekend just gone. He is a harris, and he is flying on the creance at a stupid high weight. He was 750 grammes this morning and he flew 50 ft instantly (he flew at 700 grammes last year). Perhaps I need to re-duce his weight to stop this 'double' moult???

If this is the case (sounds as plausable as a clumsy vet, a mixture of the two perhaps) then Harris Hawks are surely the most weird raptors. around.

[Dave G]

so whats that just over 1lb 6 1/2 oz thats not realy at a high weight about the average starting weight for a harris , ive flew mine for leisure at 1lb 12 oz thats just under what i put him up for molt at :wink:

[The Late Lord Lucan]

Perhaps I need to re-duce his weight to stop this 'double' moult???
You will probably find that once he is going, he'll stop. As I said, I've seen birds start it long after their weight was reduced.
I personally wouldn't be worrying. And if this is the case, it certainly would be nothing to do with the vet.
I personally cant see how being 'clumsy' would make it fall out. Break it maybe, but not fall out. You would have to give it a firm pull for that.

so whats that just over 1lb 6 1/2 oz thats not realy at a high weight about the average starting weight for a harris , ive flew mine for leisure at 1lb 12 oz thats just under what i put him up for molt at
It could be a high weight for this particular bird Romeo. I have seen males that fly at 1lb1oz & some at nearly 2lb. The word 'Average', is not really a word that should be associated with Falconry.

Regards,
Lucky.

[Ben C]

Yeah thought so LLL.....Perhaps I am being unfair and not a little testy. He said its never happened to him before and he was visably embarrassed......free as well :) :)

750 is a heavy weight for Cody Romeo....as I have said before he hunted at between 680 and 700 grammes last year so that is a difference of a fair few ounces.....which is a lot for a little Harris. Its all relative to the hawk I suppose mate :) :)

700grm = 1lb 8 oz
750grms = 1lb 10 oz

28.34 grms in and oz.

[Takajo]

It doesn't sound like anything more than a slow double-moult.
I'm going with the 7th Earl on this one...

[Ben C]

I love falconry............I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A DOUBLE MOULT before now. Now I am over the intial shock, its a lesson never to be forgotten. I also think Cody had been pulling on the bell and tail mount, losened the feather, he was then cast and out it pops. :) :) Bloody hawk will be the death of me.

[MickeyDredd]

Bloody hawk will be the death of me.

Tell him to join the queue :lol: :lol:

[Ben C]

Ahhh cmon there Mike.....thats not nice :) :) :) Bloody Romans!

[Rob Redtail]

Hi Ben , Cody was pulling like mad on that bell last Friday night at the pub mate so i'm not surprised it's out ,....R'gards Rob.

[BlueHawk]

My Harris lost both decks last season also, plucked clean out, both now regrown with no shakes, 1st one came out 1st day of the season..

Good Luck

G.

[Takajo]

All will be well :mrgreen:

[Ben C]

Not only that his eye is getting better as well....thank god! :)

[Ben C]

Just a quick update....the eye failed to get better on the course of conjunctivitis cream, so we whisked him off to another vet in Cheshire this morning (specialist Avian vet and falconer: May have been sprout??) Without doubt the best service we have ever had. He showed interest and concern and explained that Cody has in fact got a 'lazy eye' bought about by a concussion which has damaged the nerve ending in the socket. HOWEVER HIS EYEBALL IS IN TIP TOP CONDIDTION. Apparently all BOP have very sensitive eye sockets so be warned. He also has a secondary eye infection which has been treated and he had a head cold caught from wild birds!!! We have two sets of medication to be administered for the next 5 days. Cost £107 but technically free because we are insured :) :) Even if we weren't that is a god damn fair price by any standards. So all in all a good day :) :)

[MickeyDredd]

You'll know if its Sprout if you check the "rate the forum member thread"

A MHH I gave to a mate for breeding a couple of years ago has recently hit something in the aviary and suffered a detached retina!!

There was a wild male gos kicking about checking out his gosses and he reckons that the HH has hit the window hard "seeing it off"

[Ben C]

There was a wild male gos kicking about checking out his gosses and he reckons that the HH has hit the window hard "seeing it off"

Hard as nails mate :wink: :wink:

[Moses]

Just tell everyone he's a Black Kite.........Sorted :D

lol :D :D


sorry to hear about your bird ben i hope he grows back his feathers quick

[Tree Sitter]

Wanted to apologise to everyone as I deleted my last post as other half told me off for hi jacking his ID but he won't let me have my own but I will get one like UKJaysNursey I will be Tree Sitters Better Half :wink:

I am Debbie Max's other half.

I am also a very good friend of your Moderator Debbie we go way back, Max has yet to meet her but thats this coming Saturday.

Should apologise to BenC for the little bit about the parrots but he was asking for it being rude to her about her parrot knowledge, thats how Deb and I met she helped with my Mums Red Lored Amazon who was a nightmare attacking everything refusing to eat just going bolistic generally the vet said if it dont eatc it will die went on a forum such as this and found Deb she drove up to us 100 miles away and helped.

She also got Max on to this forum well she and her Dad got us up and running on the PC.

Anyway Ben I am glad Cody is better and I would like to know if the vet said anything about the second moult?

Now a rather embaressed caught out me will sod off and get my own ID.

Just think you are gonna have two Debbie's on the forum now :wink: Trust me I am worse she is mellow compared to me :wink:

Debbie

[Tree Sitter]

Sod off and get your own ID you pain in the arse :lol:

Thats me sleeping in the mews tonight :oops:

Max

[Goldie]

I am also a very good friend of your Moderator Debbie we go way back, Max has yet to meet her but thats this coming Saturday.

Just think you are gonna have two Debbie's on the forum now :wink: Trust me I am worse she is mellow compared to me :wink:

Debbie

Well i certainly hope you have a better understanding of what a falconry forum is all about.
But for all that, welcome to the Forum

[Ben C]

Anyone else confused?

[Arthur]

is this a 'gender dislocation' ??????
'identity crisia' or some other malady mee lady ???, :-)
regards ,
arthur ,
(*v*) ...

[MickeyDredd]

Anyone else confused?

Who am I, where am I? :lol: :lol:

[Mr_Colin]

errr yep, what's that all about?????

Glad you finally got an answer to Cody's problem mate and hopefully the second moult. Result me thinks. Will the concussion clear up and the eye return to normal?

[LanczSpringer]

Yep me too Ben

[Ben C]

And this from a moderator.....I am bad on a friday but this is pure nonsense :)

[Tree Sitters Bit Of Stuff]

Well i certainly hope you have a better understanding of what a falconry forum is all about.
But for all that, welcome to the Forum

Woohooo I got my own ID :wink:

Thanks for the welcome Goldie please dont be nasty about my friend though. I better stop hijacking this topic sorry.

Deb

[MickeyDredd]

Be afraid...be very afraid :twisted:

[Kevin Massey]

Wanted to apologise to everyone as I deleted my last post as other half told me off for hi jacking his ID but he won't let me have my own but I will get one like UKJaysNursey I will be Tree Sitters Better Half :wink:

I am Debbie Max's other half.

I am also a very good friend of your Moderator Debbie we go way back, Max has yet to meet her but thats this coming Saturday.

Should apologise to BenC for the little bit about the parrots but he was asking for it being rude to her about her parrot knowledge, thats how Deb and I met she helped with my Mums Red Lored Amazon who was a nightmare attacking everything refusing to eat just going bolistic generally the vet said if it dont eatc it will die went on a forum such as this and found Deb she drove up to us 100 miles away and helped.

She also got Max on to this forum well she and her Dad got us up and running on the PC.

Anyway Ben I am glad Cody is better and I would like to know if the vet said anything about the second moult?

Now a rather embaressed caught out me will sod off and get my own ID.

Just think you are gonna have two Debbie's on the forum now :wink: Trust me I am worse she is mellow compared to me :wink:

Debbie

wtf are u on about? :rolleyes:

[LanczSpringer]

Hello Debs

Lets get this right, you are Debs, friend of Debs the moderator, "bit of stuff" to Max Tree sitter?

OK

Hope you enjoy your stay here on the forum!! :-)

[Ben C]

Sorry??? So Deb is Debbies bit of stuff. Or is Debs a bit of tree sitters tuff who is called Max?

Who is Debbie the mod then?

And after all that who sent me the Odd PM?

[Tree Sitters Bit Of Stuff]

Hello Debs

Lets get this right, you are Debs, friend of Debs the moderator, "bit of stuff" to Max Tree sitter?

OK

Hope you enjoy your stay here on the forum!! :-)

Yep thats all right thanks for the welcome
Deb

[Mr_Colin]

Bloody hell is it Friday already Ben :drinkers:

[Ben C]

No Col....ANTIS!

[Kevin Massey]

gawd not more antis from that corner

[Goldie]

No Col....ANTIS!

You sure you aint mixing up Tree sitters with Tree Huggers ? :?

[Ben C]

They have now logged off after causing trouble......they have arrived via a mod and that is............................well, whatever you lot reckon!

[Kevin Massey]

no doubt debbie the mod will be here soon !!!

[Ben C]

Yep here she is :)

[Kevin Massey]

pmsl.........i dont beleive it

[Hawkmaster]

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