Catch and release??

[LanczSpringer]

I have just been reading a web site written by Toby Bradshaw and he talks about catch and release and the use of the Tiercels.

Just wondering if anyone has ever heard or even used this (intentionally ;-) )

It seems a waste of good food once the hard work has been done! also keeping the hawk interested in catching but not getting rewards from the kill must be pretty difficult.


"For quarry up to the size of cottontails and pheasant, I prefer the tiercel Harris's hawk. Tiercels are quicker, much more agile, and more aerial than hens. They have a flashy flight style, and rarely give problems with aggression towards people, dogs, or other Harris's hawks. It is easier to practice 'catch-and-release' falconry with tiercels, which don't do as much damage to the quarry as most females will."

[Ben C]

That is a load of pants advice.....IMHO he is talking rubbish. What is the point, what next corks on the talons?? :) :) 'Catch and release' isn't falconry its silly. :) :)


However as per usual someone will no doubt show me the error of my ways.............................................. .........................not!

[Moses]

That is a load of pants advice.....IMHO he is talking rubbish. What is the point, what next corks on the talons?? :) :) 'Catch and release' isn't falconry its silly. :) :)


lol nice one ben :D

i thought this was a post about starting flyfishing catch and release etc :D

[Dave G]

:lol: bloody hell whats this fella on about release after being caught by a hawk think a quick dispatch is the best thing for the prey as would have puncher holes peck mark and more than likely half near to a heart attack and would die of a slow death if released that my thought :wink:

[Ben C]

And another thing you don't get a Tiercel Harris Hawk (being pedantic now!) :)

[Moses]

:lol: bloody hell whats this fella on about release after being caught by a hawk think a quick dispatch is the best thing for the prey as would have puncher holes peck mark and more than likely half near to a heart attack and would die of a slow death if released that my thought :wink:
exactly whoever thought that was a sadistic psycho mate :D

[Moses]

one more thing anyone using that persons method will surely get the sport banned for **** sake, i cant believe the guy had it in his website, what a w@nker

[Sean]

benc some arabs use corks on the talons and a plastic cover on the beak, to practise catch and release of bustards, also a tagging system there.

[Moses]

benc some arabs use corks on the talons and a plastic cover on the beak, to practise catch and release of bustards, also a tagging system there.

lol honestly, im stunned :D its like sticking a clamp on your ding dong when trying to make luv or maybe thats a bad example its like clamping a lions jaw and telling it to hunt or whatever if that doesnt make sense

i do know they teach some of them not to kill it so when the falconer goes their he slaughters it the islamic way but to cork the talons and cover the beak dont make sense how can it grap onto it and keep it down

[LanczSpringer]

BenC

http://www.answers.com/tiercels&r=67

http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-gender-names?hl=tiercel

I was always told that a Tiercel was a male hawk.
But understand it is normaly resereved for the distinction of a peregrine Falcon (female) and Tiercel (male)

Moses
Dont forget this is an American website where bagged game is also allowed I dont think he is advocating the use over here in the UK.

I dont see the point in the whole idea of it, but just though that I would see if any of you guys had heard of this idea beofre, and could maybe highlight the reasons why they did this?

[Moses]

oh sorry u didnt say, yes alot of stuff in american and the middle east and asia mate is cruel in britain i do agree

but even in american standards catch and release is very cruel me thinks

[LanczSpringer]

"For quarry up to the size of cottontails"

:-) thought Cottontails might have given the game away! ;-)

[Ben C]

A MALE harris on cotten tails: Catch and release is stooopid. :roll: I am not too bothered about what size the prey is, all I know is if Cody for one minute felt like I was taking and releasing HIS catch he'd deck me! Anyway what if the squirrell, rabbit, moorhen, coot, duck, woodcock, partridge, snipe etc etc is a little bit injured and I re-flush it 15 minutes later......BAGGIE anyone????? :) :) Good thread mind!

Tiercel: should only ever be used to refer to a male peregrine or male goshawk.:) :)

Female Harris =Harris
Male Harris = Harass

(I am making this up, a bit like buteoist......well why not, no one else has, they subjugate the Harris to the lower levels so why not give them names. Every other hawk has them so why not the good ole Harris!)

[Shaun Byrne]

I've released prey before now. Mainly Weasels and Stoats but I put them to good use first. Take them to the nearest warren and send them in, watch those bunnies go!!! :D

[Vizla]

lads i think you should read up on falconry as in some places c/c is a must for various reason s the reasons you should already know and remember good falconry is NOT just about the kill

[Ben C]

Genius....and you don't have to dig em out. Top tip that one :) :)


Its like a 'passage' ferret of sorts :)

[Shaun Byrne]

Genius....and you don't have to dig em out. Top tip that one :) :)


Its like a 'passage' ferret of sorts :)

Spot on mate, why waste em :D

[Sean]

what the arabs r doign will benifit the bustards and there sport in the long run. only thing i disagree is if the bird flies of it may starve. although i dunno how open the deserts are.

[Ben C]

Sean I fully appreciate the situation they are in....christ they have been doing a while longer than me :) :).

But catch and release with a male harris is silly stuff really :) :) Whats the point, you man your hawk and then let it all go??? Rabbits/cottentails are hardly scarce in the states are they??? :) :)

[Moses]

what the arabs r doign will benifit the bustards and there sport in the long run. only thing i disagree is if the bird flies of it may starve. although i dunno how open the deserts are.


yeah sean i heard about the bustard population, its sad i dont even think they have a season when they can give it a rest, i read an article they were gonna implement it, 40 or 50% of the bustard population has been cleansed and also the saker population too

coz i mind reading glasiers book on when he went to the uae they arabs took him out and their was no sense of out of season :D they just kept on hunting and hunting and cleasing the bustards

[Sprout]

remember good falconry is NOT just about the kill
It is also about respect for your quarry. I have seen too many birds die of crabbing wounds that looked innocent enough at the time with no obvious external injuries. Any quarry that has been captured by a hawk will be assumed to have such injuries and as such is not in the quarries best interest to re-release it only for it to die slowly from some septic process from the footing injury.

[OutFlying]

You only have to look at a skinned quarry carcass to see the puncture marks - how could you tell when its got fur or feathers on if it was badly wounded. If you fly it and catch it then dispatch it.

[Sprout]

Well said OF.

[Ben C]

Vizla: If thats what the law dictates in that particular country then so be it.:) :).....but the law is in ass in this instance mate. :) :)

[Wightwings]

catch and release hey......mmm........ok.........stressed, injured, shocked prey........mm yes that DOES seem a sensible humane thing to do..............................WHAT A LOAD OF HAIRY ROUND GONNADS................prey-----bird.........bird------prey = NATURE give me a break. :roll: :wink:

[Vizla]

the reasons for catch and release unless seriously injured or killed during capture ducks game birds or mammals are often quite releasable if the falconer so chooses he may capture incidental or
protected species can also be used as a management tool creating zero impact on resident game which can be crucial to isolated habitats it also creates oppurtunities for the falconer to be gender selective particulary useful while hunting polygamist species c/r could also be a useful public relations tool if handled correctly the hawk will not resent catch and release policy

[Wightwings]

the reasons for catch and release unless seriously injured or killed during capture ducks game birds or mammals are often quite releasable if the falconer so chooses he may capture incidental or
protected species can also be used as a management tool creating zero impact on resident game which can be crucial to isolated habitats it also creates oppurtunities for the falconer to be gender selective particulary useful while hunting polygamist species c/r could also be a useful public relations tool if handled correctly the hawk will not resent catch and release policy
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: crickey Viz let me just translate all that into a language my gos ( or the wifes HH ) will understand the first time i take their hard earned catch off them. :evil: :evil:

I undertsnad the principles you are refferring to but to me you cannot guarantee your bird has not caused damage that could prove a slow painfull death. Even the smallest pin ***** from a talon can become infected as most falconers will testify too.

to me it smacks of tree hugging and is a strange ideal to try to live up too

[HawkNorth]

i think in japan they dull the claws of there goss for releasing quarry

[LanczSpringer]

It is showing respect for the quarry by putting it out of its missery and pain!

As people have said after being jumped on by a hawk or falcon its not going to feel to good, I know I wouldnt if I were the Rabbit!

[LanczSpringer]

H4wka

Thats a classic mate! I will have to remeber that one! ;-)

[Ben C]

Catch for the pot and the problem is solved......food is a way of life is it not? :)

[Vizla]

my previous post refers to certain areas of USA where it is illegal to catch specific/protected quarry and catch and release must be used. I am not saying it is a relevant fact here in the UK but the facts remain the same

[ColdZero]

if you caught an owl would you not release it, just for the chance it might live? Does this fall into the same category or are we just talking about (being daft) and releasing quarry?

[LanczSpringer]

Good point CZ

It would come down to how the owl was looking, I think I would rather put the owl out of its missery though, as people have said you can never be sure of hidden injuries!

[Ben C]

Thats a no brainer CZ and ties in with what Vizla said: If its against the law you don't catch it....other than that it gets eaten! Simple :) :) No I havent caught anything illegal before you ask mmmm :)