FROZEN FOOD

[Falconer]

Is it safe to thaw out DOC and or washed meat in cold water if so how long do i need to thaw it for ??

[Moses]

mate why wash the meat bud, if u really wanna make your bird loose weight dont feed her for a day and a half, bigger the bird more they can handle the fasting process

or even just feed her one or 2 a day will make a difference too, washed out meat your taking the nutrients out too

[Falconer]

mate why wash the meat bud, if u really wanna make your bird loose weight dont feed her for a day and a half, bigger the bird more they can handle the fasting process

or even just feed her one or 2 a day will make a difference too, washed out meat your taking the nutrients out too

Washed meat will give her food, instead of starving but contains nothing to put weight on so the reverse happens.

[Moses]

mate why wash the meat bud, if u really wanna make your bird loose weight dont feed her for a day and a half, bigger the bird more they can handle the fasting process

or even just feed her one or 2 a day will make a difference too, washed out meat your taking the nutrients out too

Washed meat will give her food, instead of starving but contains nothing to put weight on so the reverse happens.

i understand that mate, but its common practice when training a young hawk and to put her on a diet they cut down the food some even dont feed the hawk even if it takes 2 days for the young hawk to come and feed on the glove

so its nothing to worry about unless its a lil kestrel or a sparrowhawk thats a different story, it will kill them but not big hawks

its up to yourself mate, if u read the other thread u posted u got some good advice mate and just be patient and try that for a week and u will be happy God willing the rest is up to u my friend, its your bird

[Falconer]

mate why wash the meat bud, if u really wanna make your bird loose weight dont feed her for a day and a half, bigger the bird more they can handle the fasting process

or even just feed her one or 2 a day will make a difference too, washed out meat your taking the nutrients out too

Washed meat will give her food, instead of starving but contains nothing to put weight on so the reverse happens.

i understand that mate, but its common practice when training a young hawk and to put her on a diet they cut down the food some even dont feed the hawk even if it takes 2 days for the young hawk to come and feed on the glove

so its nothing to worry about unless its a lil kestrel or a sparrowhawk thats a different story, it will kill them but not big hawks

its up to yourself mate, if u read the other thread u posted u got some good advice mate and just be patient and try that for a week and u will be happy God willing the rest is up to u my friend, its your bird

Moses the reason i'm asking is
1, she is feeding of the fist.
2, I took the front legs and shoulders of a rabbit out last night to thaw,when i went to butcher it this afternoon there is nothing on it, also all the bones are smashed in and in my opinion not safe to feed her so now she has no food at all and i would rather not starv her.

[Moses]

sorry if u put it that way i would have understood

get a box of day old chicks mate best if she is hungry feed her for a few days before u start the diet etc

at the mean time if u cant get her any other food u can always go to your local butcher and get some beef or shin of beef mate and feed her that

till your doc arrive

u dont need to rush mate if u think she is his hungry most def feed her

and after that check her weight and always check after she has casted to get an accurate weight of hers

then u can even if u wish put her on a fasting diet for a day or 2 if u r really worried then feed her 1 or 2 a day, mate in the wild sometimes they cant catch anything and they can fast for even a week and this is no bull

big eagles and buzzards u can even put them on a much fierce diet compared to the smaller hawks

i hope this helps mate, their r proper experts here like in your other thread take that advice and u wont go wrong

all the best mate if u were local i had a box of chicks mate i bought for the falcon u could have had it for free if u were nearby and u could have collected it

[Falconer]

sorry if u put it that way i would have understood

get a box of day old chicks mate best if she is hungry feed her for a few days before u start the diet etc

at the mean time if u cant get her any other food u can always go to your local butcher and get some beef or shin of beef mate and feed her that

till your doc arrive

u dont need to rush mate if u think she is his hungry most def feed her

and after that check her weight and always check after she has casted to get an accurate weight of hers

then u can even if u wish put her on a fasting diet for a day or 2 if u r really worried then feed her 1 or 2 a day, mate in the wild sometimes they cant catch anything and they can fast for even a week and this is no bull

big eagles and buzzards u can even put them on a much fierce diet compared to the smaller hawks

i hope this helps mate, their r proper experts here like in your other thread take that advice and u wont go wrong

all the best mate if u were local i had a box of chicks mate i bought for the falcon u could have had it for free if u were nearby and u could have collected it

I have DOC and washed meat in the freezer all i need to know is can i thaw it out in cold water is it safe.

[Moses]

mate i found this for u

http://raptoriduk.tripod.com/glossary_of_terms.htm

i was trying to find a very old article on washed meat by philip glasier a pity i dont have the book in hand, its in my house

it was a good article

u can read the above its a nice falconry glossary

[BFC 007]

put them in a plastic tub & stand it in hot water for a while-worked for me in the past. just check the inside of meat is completely thawed out though before you feed

[Falconer]

Thanks

[Moses]

sorry if u put it that way i would have understood

get a box of day old chicks mate best if she is hungry feed her for a few days before u start the diet etc

at the mean time if u cant get her any other food u can always go to your local butcher and get some beef or shin of beef mate and feed her that

till your doc arrive

u dont need to rush mate if u think she is his hungry most def feed her

and after that check her weight and always check after she has casted to get an accurate weight of hers

then u can even if u wish put her on a fasting diet for a day or 2 if u r really worried then feed her 1 or 2 a day, mate in the wild sometimes they cant catch anything and they can fast for even a week and this is no bull

big eagles and buzzards u can even put them on a much fierce diet compared to the smaller hawks

i hope this helps mate, their r proper experts here like in your other thread take that advice and u wont go wrong

all the best mate if u were local i had a box of chicks mate i bought for the falcon u could have had it for free if u were nearby and u could have collected it

I have DOC and washed meat in the freezer all i need to know is can i thaw it out in cold water is it safe.

usually they do that with meat without the casting my friend, never heard of anyone doing it with a chick, even if u do wash a full chick with the casting all u r doing is giving it a bath :D all the guts and yolk and meat give it the nutrients , so your only washing their feathers me thinks

maybe just gut it and take the yolk out , may help reduce a bit of weight and maybe feed it 1 or 2 less chicks

if u take the yolk out make sure theirs plenty of water nearby

[Rob Redtail]

Yes you can thaw it in cold water if necessary..........

[Moses]

Yes you can thaw it in cold water if necessary..........

mate even a chick too with the guts and yolk or without the guts and yolk

cheers

[Falconer]

Yes you can thaw it in cold water if necessary..........

Thanks m8 i have been thawing some washed meat for about 2 hrs but its time now for her feed hope its ok.

[Shaun Byrne]

Yes you can thaw it in cold water if necessary..........

Thanks m8 i have been thawing some washed meat for about 2 hrs but its time now for her feed hope its ok.

Dont worry too much mate. If a bird spotted a semi thawed carcass in the wild it wouldn't wait until it finished thawing. :D

Just put a few chicks in some cold water and they will thaw out in about 20 mins.

[Falconer]

Yes you can thaw it in cold water if necessary..........

Thanks m8 i have been thawing some washed meat for about 2 hrs but its time now for her feed hope its ok.

Dont worry too much mate. If a bird spotted a semi thawed carcass in the wild it wouldn't wait until it finished thawing. :D

Just put a few chicks in some cold water and they will thaw out in about 20 mins.

Thanks shaun
just given her 2oz washed meat.

[Goldie]

Falconer, just picked up on this.
Putting your frozen meat into cold water presents no problems whatsoever and is perfectly safe.

Moses, no disrespect mate, but try and refrain from offering feeding advice to people until you have fed and trained a bird of your own.
Some people may think you are well versed in falconry and take it serious

[Ben C]

Yes indeed!!!!!

[Falconer]

Falconer, just picked up on this.
Putting your frozen meat into cold water presents no problems whatsoever and is perfectly safe.

Moses, no disrespect mate, but try and refrain from offering feeding advice to people until you have fed and trained a bird of your own.
Some people may think you are well versed in falconry and take it serious

Thanks m8 i was realy despret this afto to talk to someone but couldn't get a straight reply from anyone
anyway just given her 2 oz of washed meat after thawing for two hrs

[Moses]

Falconer, just picked up on this.
Putting your frozen meat into cold water presents no problems whatsoever and is perfectly safe.

Moses, no disrespect mate, but try and refrain from offering feeding advice to people until you have fed and trained a bird of your own.
Some people may think you are well versed in falconry and take it serious

i said it mate coz i read it and also did feed for a week and managed to get the falcon to fly to me and feed off the glove and i do agree what u said thats why i said in this thread that the experts gave him good advice in the other thread so take it

cheers

[Ben C]

Best way to thaw food is over night in the fridge as they would do in a restaurant. Do not use warm or hot water as this will cook the wings and legs before the inside has de-frosted. It may also prompt bacterial growth if any existed before blast freezing. I always take more than I need and feed the ferret with the remainder. :) :)

You can also use cold water if you forgot to take it out the night before. but preferably running, as this defrosts it quicker for some reason, so I have found :) :)

[Sprout]

I regulalrly use cold water to defrost my chicks, especially in summer. Leaving them out over night to defrost naturally increases the time the bacteria have to reproduce, defrosting them quicker with running water means there is less time for the bacteria to build up.

[Ben C]

Good man! Thanks for that :)

But defrost in the FRIDGE slowly is best surely?

[Sprout]

Bacteria can still proliferate in the fridge but it is better in the fridge over night than left out in open air overnight.

[Moses]

when i kept the falcon for a week i got an old utterly butterly carton and left chicks in their for the next day to defrost and put the lid on it

is that ok to do sprout

[Wilfred]

Yes you can thaw it in cold water if necessary..........

Thanks m8 i have been thawing some washed meat for about 2 hrs but its time now for her feed hope its ok.

well i also had occasions that i did forget to put the meat out of the freezer..and in this instances i also just put some day old chicks in some plastic bag and then just put them in very hot water...in this way they are unfrozen quite quick in fact and then you can feed. I thought it was not possible with pigeon but then saw some falconry friend of mine just putting a whole pigeon without any bag around in water. Do not know how cold or hot that is but i can ask. He told me he did that more often also with frozen pigeons. I however do not know about possible negative aspects for the meat. But anyway, its in many circumstances better than giving nothing i guess if you really do not have anything else. And it should not be common of course only if you do not have better meat available

[Takajo]

Timing is essential if you choose to thaw in HOT WATER Wilfred! Even though it isn't boiling, it's got a cooking effect on the meat. Ends up somewhere between washed meat and cooked. Fine for a kite or eagle/vulture. Big negative with hawk or falcon. Check King Hohenstaufen
on that one and he'll tell you the same...

[Coedhirion]

Plus dont thaw in the microwave !!!!

[Falconer]

Thanks to everyone for the quick response in desperate times
Kev :wink:

[Hawkmaster]

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