Who's Got The Same Problem??

[Finnish]

Gutted went in to get the Gos out today and he is just over half way through the molt. Cant believe it. Some one told me there is some thing you can buy to help the moult quicker is this true :?: :?:

Has anyone else got this problem :?:

Finnish

[OhMyGod]

How old is the bird finnish.

[Finnish]

first moult.

[OutFlying]

When you mean half way through, are feathers still coming down or that it is still in brown plumage ?
What stage is the tail ? I would be very surprised if he not finished by mid September - if your avairy has enough sun light.
OF.

[Finnish]

Plenty of light Jim. His tail has 2 brown feathers still and two new one's has just started coming down.

[OhMyGod]

I'm sure it is quite common for a first year bird to take 9 months to moult.

If you were to go and see some grouse hawking at the start of the season most people with birds in there first moult will have birds unfinished even if they have had 8 months off. some will even be like this at the start of the partridge season so I wouldn't worry too much.

You can buy something to help speed up the moult but it has to be better to let it happen natural don't you think. It may be usefull if you have the same prob next time but I'm sure you will not.

[Falconer]

Gutted went in to get the Gos out today and he is just over half way through the molt. Cant believe it. Some one told me there is some thing you can buy to help the moult quicker is this true :?: :?:

Has anyone else got this problem :?:

Finnish

(Raptor essentials)

It's a vitamin and mineral supplement and supposed to help speed up the moulting process i got mine from ebay from gos6

[Dude]

I u wanna quick moult ur bird finnish feed sum thyroid gland of a sheep, but just a small amount, I used it with my kestrel I give her 5-6 bites from it and the unmoulted feathers dropped! with a gos I donno the dose, but u have to know all of the unmoulted feathers dropped at the same 2-3-4 days after the manipulation, so u have to feed the bird totally full with bones and a vitamine wich is contain a high level of minerals to get god quality feathers....

I ohpe I can help u m8!

ps dont use too much of it it can cause the dropping of all feathers next day or two......including the adult feathers!

[Dude]

I'm sure it is quite common for a first year bird to take 9 months to moult.

If you were to go and see some grouse hawking at the start of the season most people with birds in there first moult will have birds unfinished even if they have had 8 months off. some will even be like this at the start of the partridge season so I wouldn't worry too much.

You can buy something to help speed up the moult but it has to be better to let it happen natural don't you think. It may be usefull if you have the same prob next time but I'm sure you will not.

but its true the natural way is the best ;) than u get exelent hard feathers!

[Saker-Clive]

My Saker is aking her time also but that doesn't bother me too much. She has dropped 4 tail feathers and most of her primaries and has 2 deck feathers 3 inches down and 2 outer ones about 1.5 inches down.

As I say, I'm not too bothered as I will have more time to concentrate on Kier to start with.

[OhMyGod]

People fly exotic bird in places like africa. When I say exotic I mean like scottish peregrines and european gos.

The daylight hours are the same all year round and the days are much shorter than hear getting dark at about 7pm all year round but they still manage to moult out ok to a similar time period to hear. Sure the photoperiod does make some difference it is fact, but I rather feel a lot more important is the food intake. I had to wait ages for my falcon to drop her last two tail feathers, it may be coincidence but I fed her up until she was leaving bits of food, gave nothing for 48 hours then gave her 2 quail without legs, her crop was huge and that evening she dropped them both and the next day the last 2 primaries.

[Finnish]

It just ****es you off a bit when your mates got there new birds out and i cant get mine out. :(

[Dude]

my FHH dropped 3 tail feathers and have to drop 4 pairs of primaries... and on her chest she just dropped a few ones...dont worry, u r not alone with this, my FHHs first moult just like ur goses.

[OutFlying]

Lee don't worry it's normal, my gos ended the moult with 2 new brown deck feather. Yes they were new as the first season one's were tipped and the these were pristine. The finnish males round here haven't finished the moult and the females still have the last 2 feathers coming down.

[Finnish]

Cheers Jim. :wink:

[OhMyGod]

what is your quarry this season finnish.

You could always wait until mid september then get your bird out and go apeshit on the pheasants, and have a cracking start to your season.

[Finnish]

Realy i want him on Rabbits and pheasants mate. Whats worring me is iam going to Scotland oct 16th.

[Tim Laycock]

Finnish,
Feed him solely on pigeon breast with a little casting and bone added.
This will speed things up like you wont believe m8 8)

[Finnish]

Cheers BB i will try that thanks

Lee

[OhMyGod]

I wouldn't want my gos taking rabbits with feathers still in the blood, but I know it is done in the wild and in falconry without problems. But even so I would not do it myself. You can always leave it a few weeks and then just take it up and stop the dropping. If you get a really good season of 6 months you may find your bird will moult out in 6 months next time

[Finnish]

I hope so. :lol:

[OhMyGod]

Falconer

I have used a1 raptor essentials for years. I give about 3 grams per day but I do not believe it speeds up the moult, it does give strength to feathers and so on but I really don't think it has any advantage to time.

[Dave G]

lol bloody birds we are all geared up for the new season and what are they doing still changing there jumpers hats and scalves :lol: but do think the last part of the moult the do seem to do quite quickly

[Finnish]

What do you do with it put it on DOC.

[Tim Laycock]

Cheers BB i will try that thanks

Lee

I usually find advice from Derry Argue is well worth taking m8 :wink: 8)

[Falconer]

Falconer

I have used a1 raptor essentials for years. I give about 3 grams per day but I do not believe it speeds up the moult, it does give strength to feathers and so on but I really don't think it has any advantage to time.

Oh :roll:

[OhMyGod]

I usually feed quail during the moult and chick when flying. I get three grams of powder, which is quite a lot for one quail, so I skin it mostly and pluck the wings stick my fingers down between the breast and neck and pull it open. I then sprinkle it all over rubbing it into the organs and keel until a smooth paste is created that will not fall off.

[Falconer]

OhMyGod
You have mail :wink:

[Finnish]

Come tell us all Falconer :shock:

[Falconer]

Come tell us all Falconer :shock:

O.K, O.K
I just asked if he uses raptor essentials on DOC and how much but didn't want to spoil ya thread by going off a little :wink:

[Finnish]

:wink:

[Moses]

finnish u seen urban goshawk yet, man those goshawks r wickedly awesome hunters :D

[Finnish]

Yes seen about 5 times now.

[Moses]

lol nice one :D

couldnt believe it the part when it keeps on chasing the crows right above the flats far away :D crazy

[Finnish]

So it look's like we are all in the same boat.

[Moses]

So it look's like we are all in the same boat.

God willing i hope the boat of falconry never sinks

[OhMyGod]

i am also finnish

all main ones done.

but the back is a bit of a mess and the breast 20% immature

[Sprout]

I'm in same boat, falcon only half way through moult, still got 4 primaries each side to moult. Good nutrition is the most important as far as I am aware in helping the moult, I use a lot of quail and rat (rat seems to induce feathers to be dropped quickly). Be careful with pigeon, only use it if it has been frozen first.

[Finnish]

So we will all just have to wait antil the time is right Hey. :(

What a bummer. :butthead:

[Sprout]

All you can do is wait, wait, wait, wait....................yawn..........Buy a new bird!!

[Miguel]

we use beef thyroid. 15gr per each Kg of the bird during one week. We stop one week after, and then if needed we'll feed him one more.
Be careful, cause just like Dude said they can drop more feathers then you want... Always watch the bird and stop thyroid in case you see him moltling heavily! It works for us

[Finnish]

we use beef thyroid. 15gr per each Kg of the bird during one week. We stop one week after, and then if needed we'll feed him one more.
Be careful, cause just like Dude said they can drop more feathers then you want... Always watch the bird and stop thyroid in case you see him moltling heavily! It works for us


All this sounds a bit risky to me. You could end up with a bird with hardly no feathers. I spose you have got to no what you are doing.

Finnish

[NightOwl]

i got a pure finish male here who has 8 deck feathers coming down at different stages but no sign of the others yet. how long you reckon he got left OF??

[Miguel]

Finnish, it's not that complicated... You have to use your good sense. I've never seen anything bad happen with beef thyroid, but we always use it in a higly controled situation.
A friend of mine from the U.S. once told me he saw a bird that lost almost all feathers... But I guess someone exagerated the dose.

Anyway we only used in extreme situations (2 kites with almost no tails)...

[PeregrinesUK]

well my gos is almost done hes a 04 bird first moult he have 4 feathers with less than 2" to come down on his tail his wings are all done his chest and back are about 70% done prob pull him out end of next week when my ring perch and new hood arrives! moulted him out on weaner rats, quail and few DOC you should try hamsters when i fed them to owls there fat weights went through the roof its like rocket fuel may speed things up a little! could be worth i try

[OutFlying]

i got a pure finish male here who has 8 deck feathers coming down at different stages but no sign of the others yet. how long you reckon he got left OF??

How do you moult him out ? Is he free lofted in seclusion or on a bow perch etc.

Mine are moulted in seclusion and are ready around mid August, fed nearly completely on pheasant. Most males are finished by mid September. The cover is still deep and too many leaves on the trees to hunt properly yet anyway.

Jim.

[Gaz]

The cover is still deep and too many leaves on the trees to hunt properly yet anyway
Soooo,.. why dont you all leave um alone,stop bugging um,they dont want you,they dont need you..let um get on with it..and when its right,they"ll be ready...buy a cockatiel to play with during the moult next year,they like to be f##ked around with :twisted:

[Finnish]

Still waiting :cry:

[Wightwings]

pmsl.......late in on this one and i know its a diff species but he wifes HH has still got (from what we can see ) at least two old tail feathers on hom.......we thought he had finished as its common for first year birds to only partially moult but this morning there was a newly moulted primary in with him :roll: .......hate first yer moults its soooooo hard to determine whne they are over.......

[Hawkmaster]

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