Bird Flu [Archive] - Falconry Forum (IFF)

Takajo

22-08-2005, 04:18 PM

Does this bird flu even infect BOP??
So far, no.Birds of prey are not thought to be affected. However chicks and quail can be. Japan doesn't export b.o.p., but BIRD FLU IS SPROUTING UP IN ISOLATED AREAS HERE. Only affecting chickens so far here, though. There is no quarantine on b.o.p. coming into Japan either as long as thy're not from a bird flu country...

Kornie

22-08-2005, 05:25 PM

2 weeks sean, the removal men have al ready stolen all our stuff :cry:

Could this be an epidemic?

Sean

22-08-2005, 06:39 PM

are you allowed to take the bird over m8?

Hawkmaster

15-09-2005, 10:17 AM

MOVED FROM GENERAL FALCONRY TALK

Achilles

13-10-2005, 08:10 PM

Anyone see the latest on the situation in Turkey and Romania? It will be interesting to see what the government dictates if there is an outbreak closer to the UK. I think it will be a ban on flying. What does everyone think? Neil Forbes was interviewed on the national news. I would like to know what his recommendations are.

Moritz

13-10-2005, 08:24 PM

What I am more conserned about is the question, when the flu comes to the UK will we still be able to get DOC??? If not many ppl including me will be ****ed.

Moritz

HawkMan

13-10-2005, 08:28 PM

Im getting nervous m8 i aint that arsed about me bird its me family im more bothered about didnt they say it killed 20 million people years ago ,
Ill be wearing the face mask as its only transmitted airbourne???

JB

Moritz

13-10-2005, 08:39 PM

That was the spanish flu. The Bird flu killed some ppl in Vietnam. It was transmitted from bird to human but not human to human. So it it comes to the UK all falconers are going to be the ppl most in danger.

Moritz

Achilles

13-10-2005, 09:35 PM

I think you are referring to the pandemic of 1918. What you have to remember that the world population had been at war for some time and as a result were underfed and malnourished. At this time the only threat is to birds. However, if the virus mutates into a form that can be transmitted from human to human then the estimated death toll in the UK is 50,000. I would like to think that supplies of DOC will not be affected too seriously as all poultry will have to be housed indoors (or perhaps I'm naieve).

GDN

13-10-2005, 10:02 PM

Would the freezing process of DOC not kill the virus.

The altenative is that we switch to another food type like beef or rabbit.

It is 1 of these things. if it hits us we just need to deal with it. i haven't heard of any advice on do's and don'ts from anybody.

HunterPaul

14-10-2005, 12:17 AM

I never use doc always have a surplus of rabbit worried bout the quail though

Sean

14-10-2005, 08:12 AM

I was told raptors cant carry it?

Osiris

14-10-2005, 08:20 AM

I was told raptors cant carry it?

This is whast i was told, but we need to be told by the authorities like DEFRA. I for one aint gonna sit back until it reaches the UK (if), and the outcome is that it does affect raptors.

Update: I've just just e-mailed DEFRA asking things about the bird flu VS. Birds of Prey. Should get a response!

DeathFromAbove

14-10-2005, 09:43 AM

Nice one osiris mate. keep us posted on what they say buddy.

Sokoly

14-10-2005, 12:15 PM

It means it's all around the world except Australia, New Zealand and the far continents. It is spread through wild migrating birds for ex. Starlings are ones of the greater spreaders of the flu. Turkey has one of the great migration routes such as Bosforus were Bilions of birds go to Asia to their wintering grounds. I don't want to sound pessimistick but It might be one of the greatest threts of to day.

Mr_Colin

14-10-2005, 12:17 PM

Right that's it I'm off to New Zealand

Osiris

14-10-2005, 01:13 PM

Update from DEFRA...

"Dear Mr Jackson

I have consulted with a colleague on this matter and they have advised that all birds can contract Avian Influenza, but if affects different species in different ways.

For detailed information on how it could affect birds of prey I recommend contacting a vet who specialises in these species. You may be able to find contact details for these vets by contacting an organisation like the Avicultural Society. You can find contact details on their website:
http://www.avisoc.co.uk/ (http://www.avisoc.co.uk/)"

Thats the e-mail i got back from DEFRA... The AVISOC web site doesnt say anything that i can see so i will have to e-mail them.

Moritz

14-10-2005, 10:26 PM

Hi,
What is going to happen to the bird of prey centers? They will have to close down and won't earn any money.

Moritz

HarrisHawk.1.

15-10-2005, 01:31 PM

i heard about this the bird can actually pass it on to us
scientist should be workin a way round it to be honest

falconer 1987

15-10-2005, 07:11 PM

iv only heard that it is a poultry disease, but dose sound bad for us falconers. also heard that it can turn into a super virus with the normal FLU...
lewis aka falconer 1987

Sokoly

15-10-2005, 08:19 PM

I just heard on BBC news that the watterfoul are the highest risk of spreading the bird influenca. So stop hunting those ducks or ........

HunterPaul

15-10-2005, 09:19 PM

and the wildfowlers are the first line of defence and although the government are not encouraging more people to go shooting they would be obliged if the shooters could keep them informed of things ...strange that, we (the hunting fraternity) have suddenly gained popularity with the government when it suites....

TheZuffler

15-10-2005, 11:42 PM

This is on Neil Forbes website

http://www.gwreferrals.com/news.asp

HunterPaul

16-10-2005, 10:07 AM

very very scarey stuff....every body on the forum should be made to read and take this in.....

DeathFromAbove

16-10-2005, 12:21 PM

Your not wrong there andy, what an eye opener it is. Looks like field meets and such like are on a knife edge if things get any worse.

SakerYZF

16-10-2005, 06:08 PM

Balls , i'll start looking for another job now then:P
such a ******* if we have to stop flying our birds, Dones anyone know of a number to ring? Could do with some direct information, how likley are seagulls to carry the virus etc... :/

TheZuffler

16-10-2005, 07:00 PM

If anyone missed the news the government are expecting 50,000 human deaths in the UK!! It is not looking good for the birds!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4346624.stm

Moses

16-10-2005, 07:04 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4346624.stm

Wightwings

16-10-2005, 07:26 PM

why dont you all just calm down a little....it would need a mutation to infect humans to the digrees stated and if you have BoP make sure your aviary is a covered one so the passage birds cant **** into it.......

how about we all see how things develop before condeming our birds to death and stating ther will be no more field meets.....:yawinkle: :roll:

Achilles

16-10-2005, 08:10 PM

Wise words Wightwings.

SakerYZF

16-10-2005, 08:28 PM

True, but when you catch birds everyday at work.... the implications are a little bit more worrying, imagine for instance if i go to work tomorrow and my saker catches a seagull, the seagull happened to be roosting on the same lake as an infected group of migrant geese, and just for arguments sake they had pasted it on to the 4000 seagulls local to the area... little bit more chilling?
Even if it wasn’t past onto me who knows what might happen to my bird and the other birds i have at home.... eventually it may result in there death.
I’m not a hypochondriac , but prevention is better than cure and taking this threat seriously is the start of preventing subsequent problems.

Wightwings

16-10-2005, 09:15 PM

so what are you looking to do then Saker?......not go to work i presume?

I appreciate in yopur situation its potentially a lively hood thing but on the field meet thing etc etc etc how many peeps on here actually have serious permission over poultry farming land.......not a lot.

I just worry that everyone suddenly thinks its foot and mouth all over again already.....lts just see how things develop hey;)

SakerYZF

16-10-2005, 09:24 PM

Know exactly what you mean , just concerned for those of us who come into contact daily with wild birds ( not so much game birds), alot of people on the forum must catch mallards etc, think the dangers atm are very small, but always worth noting.
But I understand that a lot of people panic for no reason.

Ninja-Jon

16-10-2005, 10:23 PM

I come into contact with chickens Mon-Fri my job is to take away the remains once they have been slaughtered....... Then take back to the plant where the offal gets processed into meal, Blood into fertilizer Heads & Feet into Pet foods....

Osiris

18-10-2005, 01:34 PM

What i would like to know, is what symptoms/effects will our birds of prey encounter when the epidemic finnally reaches us.
What should we do? What will Falconry Businness' do?
The Government is not telling us enough. Sure they are telling us about the poultry etc. but not what will happen to our birds of prey. A Brahminy Kite in Indonesia is infected with this flu but i can't see anywhere that shows us what effects it is having.
What will happen to the birds if one bird of prey contracts the flu in an area? will it be like foot and mouth where the surrounding area is culled?? To hell i'm letting mine be culled!
My friend and I have went to the local MSP and he is putting up to the government.
My friend and i are getting ready for it hitting the UK now. DEFRA informed my friend that she will have to cut the amount of staff, so its going to be her and myself only allowed at the center. We are going to have to build inside mews.
All the falconry business' will loose out on their money and the birds will loose out on hunting, flying etc... which isn't good for falconer or bird alike. I'm sick of prancing about the topic, we all need to know more about what is going to happen to our birds of prey!

GM090158

18-10-2005, 02:09 PM

With regards what is going to happen, at this stage I do not think either us or the authorities really know. There is no doubt that the pandemic will hit the UK, in other countries it has meant mass culls in the areas where it has hit. I would prsume that it is potentially more serious than the foot and mouth was due to the possibility, even if it is remote of it mutating and starting to be passed from human to human.
We saw during the foot and mouth outbreak many culls taking place firmly against the wishes of owners/farmers.
If this gets to the same point then all the shouting in the world will not save our birds or vast areas of the poultry industry in this country.

GM

BFC 007

18-10-2005, 08:20 PM

i hear poland has stopped falconers flying there birds & they have to be kept in closed buildings :sad:

Osiris

18-10-2005, 11:14 PM

Osiris

18-10-2005, 11:16 PM

i hear poland has stopped falconers flying there birds & they have to be kept in closed buildings :sad:

Yep, and that seems to be the word that i have heard that is going to happen over here. We would have to get "UV" lights for the closed buildings....

So.... how are we supposed to keep the birds fit and healthy........................................... .................................

David

18-10-2005, 11:57 PM

Osiris

19-10-2005, 12:01 AM

yes this bad nows this flu , naw i have been in hunt trip and i dont see any avian flu we hant 40 days and we hunt with a falcons , but till me ples
i have my breeding farm in this megreshan way i ggive my falcons an injekshan but did that will work or no i dont now .
best regards
David
www.russianfalconry.com (http://www.russianfalconry.com)

Dont know if it would work m8. Wasn't sure they had a vacine for the avian flu yet.................... :?: If i have translated your writing wrong m8 i apologies.

Nero

19-10-2005, 01:03 AM

when the foot and mouth came to light everything was culled. I worked as a lorry driver and had to carry these animals to the land fill site after they were culled. we waited days at a time, just sitting there, then an officer would come and tell us that a certain farm had been picked for culling. Some of the culling would last for 3 days, after a few days of hanging around a mate of mine asked one of the inspectors wether this was nessacery, to which he answord NO, it is all to make the government look as if they are doing something about it. Many farmers lost good cattle for nothing. It broke my heart to see it.

Osiris

21-10-2005, 09:52 AM

Two web sites that i was sent through e-mail are a good read. They are saying that Raptors in particular are at low risk from being infected with the Avian Flu.

http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/pub_metadata/field_manual/chapter_22.pdf

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/anima/heasan/disemala/avflu/perm/controle.shtml (http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/anima/heasan/disemala/avflu/perm/controle.shtml)

OutFlying

21-10-2005, 01:15 PM

Just get out there and fly your hawk, why worry about something that you will have no control over ? You know of one single bop in the world which has contacted the disease - will the government cull every single bird in the country, answer no it won't. Stop scare mongering and get out hunting.

How would the government cull all birds, wild or domestic ? they fly in and out the country - will there been lines of guns on the coastline aka the Battle of Britain to stop anything flying ?

Pitbull

21-10-2005, 01:21 PM

i agee get out there and fly ......if you catch a bird that looks sus report it that way your helping...... how many rabbits are diseased

Pitbull

21-10-2005, 01:31 PM

from what i gather the bird flu would be passed on by foul ( chickens ducks etc ) all of these birds rumage on the floor pecking at ****. this making it easy to pass but the do say you cannot get it by eating infected birds.

Achilles

21-10-2005, 01:50 PM

The latest death of a man in Thailand was put down to him eating an infected bird. Personally, I would not want to take the chance.

Pitbull

21-10-2005, 01:53 PM

yeah but this pandemic that has killed what.....61 since it has started come on .............. theres nothing else on the news.... once hurricane wilma has passed florida no one will mention it for a few days again

Stephen

21-10-2005, 02:16 PM

hi im just new to this computer thing
have various bop and i also have budgies etc
a few years back we had a flu type virus that killed lots of my
budgie,cockatiel stock and not the bop but if it is similar you will
get next to no warning .
With laboured breathing as a first sign birds were dead within a few
hours .
so good luck to us all

Talib

21-10-2005, 08:49 PM

Well, avian flu has arrived in the UK... a newly imported parrot that died in quarantine has tested positive for flu.

Talib

MickeyDredd

21-10-2005, 09:24 PM

Well, avian flu has arrived in the UK... a newly imported parrot that died in quarantine has tested positive for flu.

Talib

talib

Am I correct in saying that there are many strains of avian flu, some of which have always been in the UK, and only a minority are of potential grave danger to humans.

Talib

21-10-2005, 09:47 PM

talib

Am I correct in saying that there are many strains of avian flu, some of which have always been in the UK, and only a minority are of potential grave danger to humans.

It killed the parrot, which means its probably a lethal strain with regards to poultry and other birds... which makes it potentially serious. The parrot came from South America but had shared quarantine with birds from Taiwan... so there is a good chance its the "human" H5N1 strain.

Talib

Stephen

21-10-2005, 10:11 PM

what restrictions will there be for falconers out in the feild,
when you have racing pidgeons criss- crossing the country

HunterPaul

21-10-2005, 10:17 PM

why cant it just be simple....why at every turn is there somebody or something trying to balls up what I love doing.... the foot and mouth left me knackered the antis the dogs the foxhunters to name a few hurdles to cross and now this...its a never ending battle to just go out ion the country on my own leaving the **** world behind and practising the art of falconry....
I am sick to my stomach .... and I know im not the only one....

Blaze

21-10-2005, 10:23 PM

OutFlying

22-10-2005, 01:29 AM

Since the early eighties i've be lucky to survive Aids, salmollea egg poisoning, cancer from brown bread etc etc etc - get a fffffffing life, just keep going till it happens.

Achilles

22-10-2005, 03:36 AM

Spot on mate.........you just cant beat going out into the countryside no cars no peddle n pops just a peacfull natural atmosphere.......Finished work got the bird or dog n off we trot.......Better than sex Aghaaaaaaa

i made the mistake of saying something similar to my missus not so long ago. Frustration is now my middle name!

Wightwings

22-10-2005, 08:46 AM

Since the early eighties i've be lucky to survive Aids, salmollea egg poisoning, cancer from brown bread etc etc etc - get a fffffffing life, just keep going till it happens.

nuf said....:supz: :supz:

Pitbull

22-10-2005, 09:31 AM

as soon as i heard this on the news i was well ****ed......telling half a story again......theres 15 strains of this flu which of some of them we already have in this country, most of the people that have died due to working in the same environment as the infected birds and as i said before for how long this stain has been in the news only 60 or so people have died and the son of the last man to die is recovering in hospital. Its like the petrol strikes they said that last time there were gonna be baracades eveyone went to fill up and nothing happened. For some reason we seem to panic at anything. the only reason we are bothered about it is its the only story thats being thrown at us by the media.
the time it has taken me to type this with my one finger action theres probably been more than 60 people affected if not killed in britain aloan by cars on the road
so lets get out there keep our eyes open.
its only those that go out to catch everything and anything that should worry. maybe you should survey your hunting grounds first. just go for the 4 legged quarry rather than your gulls and crows. would you hant rabbit if the government brought back myxo for the rabbits. i sure woundn't

DeathFromAbove

22-10-2005, 09:39 AM

would you hant rabbit if the government brought back myxo for the rabbits. i sure woundn't

it would be ok if you did tho mate, mixy isn't 'zoonotic' so it can't pass to humans and i can't harm your bird of prey, the only downside is the rabbit would be far too easy to catch as it makes them pitiful things nearly blind creatures, horrible thing.

HunterPaul

22-10-2005, 09:47 AM

who said I was gonna stop hunting the bird....it just makes me sick, to think of yet another threat to my sport is out there and closing in... does this mean I dont have a life... I really dont think so....I know why dont we all put our head in the sand and hope it all goes away.... worrying about it means I will probably educate myself on the subject.... I am not panicking ...and neither are some of the guys who are talking about it on the forum....but it is a real threat to the country and our sport... stop worrying about the foxhunters using bop ...just get out hunting ...dont go on the march theylll never stop hunting...

Pitbull

22-10-2005, 09:55 AM

yeah but out of the 15 strains of flu theres few that are passed on to humans

Wightwings

22-10-2005, 12:28 PM

WE'RE ALL DOOOOOMMMED................rund for the hills and hide in a cave until you die..........................AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHH

Tr1gger

22-10-2005, 03:16 PM

The worry is not about one of the 15 strains of flu that thier already is. The worry is that bird flu merges with normal flu making a flu that we have never seen before that can thierfore be passed from person to person. I agree that we shouldnt lets this stop us flying our birds at rabbit etc, or that we should all panic because 50,000 people or more could die. What a lot of us want to know is what is goin to happen to us and our birds when (because the government probebly will) they find something to panic about. We hav to put the birds inside everbody knows that but whatelse will we hav to do?

Talib

23-10-2005, 07:51 PM

The parrot had the H5N1 sub-type of the virus...

MickeyDredd

23-10-2005, 08:36 PM

The parrot had the H5N1 sub-type of the virus...

Talib

This is one bird which died in a quarantine environment so presumably any H5N1 infection will be contained within the quarantine environment, and the area will now be treated I'm sure, and presumably the other birds in the quarantine will now be destroyed.

i heard they believe the the parrot caught it from another bird via the air-conditioning units in quarantine as it was not in direct contact with the original source of the disease - although i haven't heard what happened to that bird..

Tr1gger

23-10-2005, 08:43 PM

The parrot caught it in Taiwan(spelling i think) i came in contact with birds in quarentine there.

Talib

23-10-2005, 10:56 PM

Talib

This is one bird which died in a quarantine environment so presumably any H5N1 infection will be contained within the quarantine environment, and the area will now be treated I'm sure, and presumably the other birds in the quarantine will now be destroyed.

i heard they believe the the parrot caught it from another bird via the air-conditioning units in quarantine as it was not in direct contact with the original source of the disease - although i haven't heard what happened to that bird..

I hope the parrot did not catch the virus from the Taiwanese birds via the air conditioning... that would mean the virus would also be present at the air exhaust outlets on the outside of the quarantine premises.

Several of the Taiwanese birds died before the parrot... yet so far no virus has been found upon the Taiwanese birds... so it is not known for certain whether they are the source of the virus.

This, coupled with the fact that the parrot came from Surinam, which is an avian flu free zone could mean there is another source of infection... possibly the aircraft the birds came over on, or airport premises, or transport used to get the birds from the airport to the quarantine station. Any of these could have caused cross contamination with other present or previous bird consignments.

The government's claims of a biosecure quarantine system is baloney, the aircraft holds that carry consignments of birds around the world are not biosecure and regularly carry bird consignments fron different sources around the world... they are not regularly disinfected after each consignment so the parrot's infection could have started before it even reached the UK quarantine station.

Talib

Sokoly

24-10-2005, 08:22 AM

I reckon you have all heard about a pfarmaceutic company called Rosch-Switcerland. They are producing this drug Tamyflu. You have all been poisoned by the media and now they are trying to sell us the cure. It's a business, it's **** there is apsolutely big greadiness of the big companies and perhaps countries.It's Politics, it's bull s.... Who knows maybe this birdflu was made in the labs such as AIDS was made, by some freaks who needed more money in there economies. Idon't want to be wrongly understood, but how come all this "flus" show up on all the other continents, but U.S.A. The big brother was playing iin his lab again. :-))) RELAX people, live your lifes and fly your birds, enjoy nature, and the beauty of our birds of pray. All the best

MickeyDredd

24-10-2005, 09:04 AM

I hope the parrot did not catch the virus from the Taiwanese birds via the air conditioning...
Talib

thanks Talib

it was reported on the tv news that was how the Surinam parrot caught the infection, but due to the mass hysteria at the moment there are many "inaccurate" reports on the go.

Talib

24-10-2005, 11:59 AM

thanks Talib

it was reported on the tv news that was how the Surinam parrot caught the infection, but due to the mass hysteria at the moment there are many "inaccurate" reports on the go.

Sure are... one of them is that raptors don't come down with avian flu.
Unfortunately that is not the case.
On January 19, 2004, a wild peregrine was found dead in Hong Kong. The bird carcass was submitted to public health authorities and was found to be positive for H5N1.

Talib

Talib

24-10-2005, 12:23 PM

Idon't want to be wrongly understood, but how come all this "flus" show up on all the other continents, but U.S.A...

Best get your facts right before spouting off...
There have been cases of avian flu in Delaware, New Jersey, Maryland, New York, and Texas in the past two years in the USA. They also have a bird disease over there called West Nile disease which has killed far more people in the USA than have died worldwide from H5N1 avian flu... guess they must be testing these bugs on their own people before exporting them worldwide (according to your hypothesis).

Talib

Sokoly

24-10-2005, 01:39 PM

Talib

24-10-2005, 03:33 PM

Talib your info says, that this disease was previously knonwn to man. So there is no need to make a so big fass about it. My moto is not to make such a big deal of it. "one paret died", "One peregrine found dead in Hong Kong"-This info is so neglectable it's not worth mentioning it. Do you know how many birds of pray are shot each year??? No, but trust me, there are far more birds shot each year, than kille from the bird flu. I am not quiet sure if you are scared for your self or for the birds?
Thanks

"Spanish" flu killed around 50 million people worldwide in 1917-8. "Spanish" flu, recently reconstructed in the lab, was shown to be a H1N1 sub-type of avian flu that jumped from birds to humans, and then established human to human infection.

The current strain of avian flu that is causing all the fuss is H5N1, which is very close to following the same pattern of development as H1N1. It is not a matter of IF it can make the same jumps... it is only a matter of WHEN it will happen, and whether we will be ready for it, with vaccines, etc., in time.

Since 1997 the H5N1, H7N2, H7N3, H7N7, and H9N2 sub-types of avian flu have all been confirmed in humans... ANY of these types could make the human to human infection jump like "Spanish" flu did in 1917-8. H5N1 presently appears to be the one most likely to cause serious effects in humans, however, avian flu types are changing/developing all the time and there may be an even worse form waiting in the wings (pun?).

Talib

Sokoly

25-10-2005, 09:31 AM

Talib the point of this discussion is defenetly lost. I amn saying one thing you are replying on something else. If we talk about how many people died in 1917-18 did you know how many lives per year are taken from simple car accidents? Cancer? This discussion i9s pointless. I will tell you again, you should't make a big deal out of it. It will pass just like the fass about Iraques were producing weapons of mass destruction. We never saw it!!! You will forget about avian flu like you forgot about last years rain. No mean to offend nobody, but let's get real and talk about something that is of larger impact on us falconers. For exp. the trade of bird's of pray will be stopped cause of this "fever".
All the best

Talib

25-10-2005, 09:51 AM

I will tell you again, you should't make a big deal out of it. It will pass just like the fass about Iraques were producing weapons of mass destruction. We never saw it!!! You will forget about avian flu like you forgot about last years rain. No mean to offend nobody, but let's get real and talk about something that is of larger impact on us falconers. For exp. the trade of bird's of pray will be stopped cause of this "fever".
All the best

You are contradicting yourself...
Why, should "the trade in bird's of prey be stopped" for something that, according to you, is of little or no consequence...

Talib

DeathFromAbove

25-10-2005, 10:08 AM

I think everybody needs to chill the f**k out about this bird flu ****..... aye it's a worry and yes if it gets here and mutates it's gonna kill lots of people which nobody wants, but all we can do is get on with our lives in the same normal way and take some precautions. if we worried too much we'd all be cowering beind our sofas too afraid to leave the house as a car may hit us or a meteor may just destroy the earth, **** happens, all we can do is get on with it, at the end of the day, it gets dark!

Rant over..... hehe:D

Sokoly

25-10-2005, 11:46 AM

"Suma sumarum" - that's what I'am trying to say.

Saker Mad

28-10-2005, 06:25 PM

please read update on bird flu as follows

Dear all,

Unfortunately I am the bringer of sad news.

As of 12.00pm today Friday 28 October 2005, a DEFRA spokesman has confirmed that ALL falconry field meets are banned. The press release issued yesterday confirming the decision to ban birds from markets, shows and fairs, now includes falconry field meets.

It is however, still legal to continue hawking on an individual basis.

Please see the DEFRA website (www.defra.gov.uk) for further information.

Shaun Byrne

28-10-2005, 07:00 PM

Cant find any referance to falconry, fieldmeets or hawking??????

Saker Mad

28-10-2005, 07:08 PM

i have just recieved the email and havent been on defra site as yet because you need a diploma in rocket sience to understand some of the things i just forwarded the post it has come from the bfc

Wightwings

28-10-2005, 07:10 PM

got tgis from another list and looked too but must admit cannot see were its says this?

Saker Mad

28-10-2005, 07:17 PM

just got the mail from graham irving who has posted it on a another group

Ladies and Gents

I have just had a phone call from the organisers of tomorrows BFC AGM field meet informing me that the club has been informed by DEFRA that as a precaution over the avian flu virus, they are instructing the club to cancel its field meet.
At this moment in time this is all the information i have and cannot say if this is a regional or national ban that they are going to put in force. I am still heading for the meet hotel tonight so i will try and pass on any more information as i receive it.
Hope that those BFC members that were going to attend, still turn up for the evening business meeting (hopefully to get more up to date information) and the banquet afterwards

Wightwings

28-10-2005, 07:27 PM

from another member>>>>>>>>>>>

I have had the following from Jim Chick
DEFRA have informed us this afternoon that although individual
falconers can continue to fly their birds, groups and field meetings
are now prohibited. This regulation came into force at 12 noon today
Friday 28th October 2005. Two or more persons each with their own
birds constitute a group.

Jim Chick
Hawkboard Chairman.-

confusion reigns again

Legion

28-10-2005, 07:47 PM

I have had the following from Jim Chick
DEFRA have informed us this afternoon that although individual
falconers can continue to fly their birds, groups and field meetings
are now prohibited. This regulation came into force at 12 noon today
Friday 28th October 2005. Two or more persons each with their own
birds constitute a group.

do you think this would include displays, as there is more than 1 folconer but they only fly 1 bird at at time.
just asking becouse i was thinking of taking kids to bop centre at Keilder on saturday........