Veg Oil Vs Diesel

[Sparrow Hawker]

Anybody using Veg Oil in there vehicles instead of Diesel? What do they think of it?

Cheers,

HH

[The Late Lord Lucan]

Anybody using Veg Oil in there vehicles instead of Diesel? What do they think of it?

No probs there mate, I just chuck it straight in!
(mitsubishi 2.5td)

Makes it run a bit quieter too!

[Talon]

no i use diesel in chip pan .instead of veg oil.grrrrrreat chips. :lol:

[CastleFalconry]

A mate of my other halfs uses veg oil in his Surf. He swears by it, but it makes the car smelllike a chip shop!! He'snot had any problems because of it.

[KevGem1]

Hi,

Does it matter what veg oil you use and i heard that you have to put a shringe of white spirit to it. is that true?

cheers
KEV

[Sparrow Hawker]

Heres a couple of sites I found,

http://www.dieselveg.com/

http://www.rodbowen.co.uk/daniel/centre.htm

Cheers,

HH

[Kornie]

Oh well, one less use for crude oil. At least when that runs dry there will be something to turn to :shock:

[Finnish]

You can also use heating oil thats very cheep.

[Cassini]

Yeah but how would it affect your Warranty on a new car??

[Finnish]

Yeah but how would it affect your Warranty on a new car??

I would not use any of them antil the warranty ran out mate just to be on the safe side.

[The New Kid]

Just make sure you ask the dealers before you go out filling your car with it? =p

[Talib]

Finnish wrote:
You can also use heating oil thats very cheep.

Not if you get caught using it by Customs and Excise it ain't.
You get your vehicle confiscated and they assess how much duty you have avoided paying... then double it... and fine you that amount.
Expect at least a 3 or 4K fine and no motor...
If your motor is used commercially expect a 20K+ fine...

Talib

[Finnish]

I'am not saying go out and use it. I said you can use it. Its ilgal i no just saying it can be used.

[The New Kid]

The trick to that one, Talib, is don't get caught ;)

although it sounds easier than it is, no doubt

[Mary Quite Contrary]

Can it be added while you still have diesel in your tank.

[Finnish]

I think you will find heating oil is diesel. Iam just going on what i have seen of it when installing central heating for plp with no gas.

[Finnish]

Can it be added while you still have diesel in your tank.

Yes :)

[Talib]

The New Kid wrote:
The trick to that one, Talib, is don't get caught

Its less trouble to fit false plates, fill up at the garage and do a runner... and it ain't any less illegal either...

Talib

PS Or you can knock a few old ladies over and get the money for the diesel that way...

[Tim Laycock]

I know a chap that runs his and his wifes mercs entirely on chip fat from his fish and chip shops. he has even gone to the extent of fitting a tank especialy for this so when he gets stopped by a "sniffer" vehicle and dipped they get straight "White" diesel.

Personaly I could not entertain any kind of "Oil burner" :lol: and find going to this extent a tad laughable :roll:

[Impster]

i thought they never botherd dipping the tank they just goto the fule line ???

[Finnish]

Just down the road from me on the A38 police are offen there pulling in lorries and dipping there tanks. But i have never seen a car or van in the layby.

[The New Kid]

PS Or you can knock a few old ladies over and get the money for the diesel that way...


Sounds like a plan! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Takajo]

So, in theory, if an extremely overweight chip-eater drank parrafin, he could lose weight in no time :roll:

[Debbie]

So are we saying that if you pay the tax man for your vege oil to make it legal as far as he is concerned.

If the Police pull you and dip you you can say rather politely I am legal and I will be on my way now officer.

Also does this effect your insurance? Or is it a case as long as you pay the tax man its not a matter they need to know about?

Also I guess the fumes from veg oil won't give you cancer unlike diesal and the likes so really its got to be good and better.

Debbs xx

[Coedhirion]

Your 'heating oil' is I assume what farmers call red diesel. it is legal in some vehicles only. If you get caught as stated above, they confiscate your vehicle. It is easy to detect even in minute quantities (its red)
You can in some garages buy legal, tax added, veg. oil. They are few and far between, but if like us in Wales already getting charged over £1 a litre, well worth looking for!!!!
Plus how about protesting to the greedy .... who is now collecting all the extra tax!!! :evil: :twisted:

[BlackHawke]

well looks like this maybe the time to convert. talks of blockades next week! :? on local news theres a petrol station near me thats put its petrol upto £1.30 a litre!!! :shock:

[Tim Laycock]

:shock: :shock: :shock:

[BlackHawke]

they later reduced the £1.30 a litre on the radio to £1.06! u cant even trust wot u hear on the radio now!! :shock: :? :D

found this website, i've got an old frontera 2.3td not saying i'm gonna try it :wink: :wink:
http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/vegoil.htm

[Mary Quite Contrary]

good site.

I am going to have a go with the defender.

[Tim Laycock]

pump hill garage in st osyth was 1.08 yesterday when i went past

but the 24hour shell over the road is still 96p cant see that lasting long

Sounds like a bunch of pumpers to me!!! :lol:

[Sparrow Hawker]

Fuel costs are just getting rediculous, problem is fuel goes up and so does everything else.

Shame the government are not publising the use of vegoil it would help farmers out and would help save the environment to. But I suppose the government are only interested in the revenue diesel generates :roll:

HH

[Dave G]

chap on the news who run a petrol station said that the goverment took 65p off the garage every galon he sold think its about time that the goverment was not so bloody greedy and try to screw its own nation

[BlackHawke]

Shame the government are not publising the use of vegoil it would help farmers out and would help save the environment to. But I suppose the government are only interested in the revenue diesel generates :roll:



well i went to tescos today and every single 3litre veg oil had gone and there were only a few litres left!! so someone knows about it. :D

by the way just for everyones information i didnt goto tescos today and i didnt buy 4 litres of sunflower oil and stick in after i put 20 quids worth of diesel in.!!! :wink: :D and i didnt work fine and dandy!! :D :wink: just incase someone on here works for customs and excise :shock:

my dads been a coach n bus driver for 30 years and he's never been stopped and checked by the excise guys for dodgy diesel he's seen plenty of lorrys but never cars. they aren't after the little men sticking in our 4x4's they want the businesses!

[BlackHawke]

chap on the news who run a petrol station said that the goverment took 65p off the garage every galon he sold think its about time that the goverment was not so bloody greedy and try to screw its own nation

i wish they'd get their facts right!! i heard on lunchtime news on ITV that its 30p that the fuel companies make the rest is revenue

[Tim Laycock]

by the way just for everyones information i didnt goto tescos today and i didnt buy 4 litres of sunflower oil and stick in after i put 20 quids worth of diesel in.!!!


In that case I am not very happy to hear that :wink: :D :supz:

[Coedhirion]

We have a legal 'tax paid' supplier of veg. oil, and they have just pushed their price up to 94p a litre...supply and demand I guess, gee .. makes me mad that some people are making a fat profit on all this :twisted: It will soon be cheaper to take the damn tractor shopping, tho they can even do me for that unless I pick up a sack of dog food and sheep nuts at the same time :roll: :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

Dog food and Sheep nuts all the way then :lol: :wink:

[Rowan-Redtail]

have you seen andy's F.R.T pics ,just been looking ,have not been on line for quite some time.

[Mary Quite Contrary]

local indian cash and carry you can buy 60 litres of corn oil for 41.00 shelkles.

[Tim Laycock]

:shock: So much!
If it cost that much in bradford the boys would be rioting again :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Rowan-Redtail]

it costs £1000 to con to dual fuel (desiel/veg) and the tax you should submit is 26p /ltr ,is it going to be viable?

[The Late Lord Lucan]

We have a legal 'tax paid' supplier of veg. oil, and they have just pushed their price up to 94p a litre...supply and demand I guess

Old Lucky had a bit of luck today.....he just got given a proper machine for filtering used veg oil. Local chipshop here I come.........

[Tim Laycock]

If I remember correctly,
Used oil is slightly better than the fresh, Unused stuff

[BlackHawke]

yeh i think its thinner

[Tim Laycock]

I believe it is more combustible under pressure also

[North East Harris Hawker]

theres a chap at work who uses it too, im gonna make some enquries cos the cost is getting beyond a joke

[Sparrow Hawker]

Hi NEHH,

Various prices floating about for converstion kits, prices seem to vary from about £400-£800.

Wouldn't surprise me if the cost of vegetable oil will go up soon! :(

All The Best,

HH

[North East Harris Hawker]

do you still need the kit if you are just mixing it 50/50?

[BlackHawke]

nope not for me, i'm using over 50/50 on my old fronty and no so much as a splutter!

[North East Harris Hawker]

is this brand new veggie oil that you are using? if so where and how much?
plus who do i have to inform to make it all legal etc?

[BlackHawke]

unused veg oil i've used 60/40 so far. 3 litres of veg oil £1.32 for 3 litres and u contact customs and excise. i'ts on the customs and excise website. i haven't found it yet coz i'm just testing!! :wink:

[North East Harris Hawker]

i like the sound of that, is that 60 veg oil and 40 diesel or the other way round?

[BlackHawke]

yeh 60 veg, but like i said thats for my frontera.

[Sparrow Hawker]

As Blackhawke suggested 60% veg oil to 40% diesel but during the winter months I have heard people use 60% Diesel to 40% veg Oil, due to the low temperatures.

Both used and unused to seem to be fine although you do have to be careful to make sure the used stuff is well filtered, I think down to at least 1 micron.

Two ways to pay duty on it one is to purchase Veg Oil with the tax already on it, the other way is to register and let them know how much veg oil you used within the last month. :wink:

All The Best,

HH

[Hawkmaster]

Ok so does anyone know where to get the oil cheap? Let start with the clean stuff.

[North East Harris Hawker]

does the clean stuff still need to be filtered down to i micron?

[BlackHawke]

the website i found said filtered to 25 microns, the link is back up this thread somewhere

[North East Harris Hawker]

theres a fair bit gone missing since the site was updated. so is it not posssible to jus t buy the oil and put it straight into your car?

[BlackHawke]

yeh i've been buying oil from tescos for about 2 weeks now, 6ltrs of veg or sunflower oil and £10 of diesel. at mo no probs

heres the website i was on about.

http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/vegoil.htm

[Hawkmaster]

Of course it is! Just our friend MASS :wink:

[North East Harris Hawker]

seems everyone has trhe hump on paying the silly prices on the forecourt. i still need to know about whether or not i need to filter the new stuff

[North East Harris Hawker]

sounds simple enough. just in case you lot start bragging about using the cheaper stuff, someone has logged in as the dept of transport (they may be genuine) and are actively snooping this post..
which is nice.

[BlackHawke]

lol its customs n excise not dept of transport unless someone wants a bus!!!!

[North East Harris Hawker]

still, there could be a spy in the camp!

[Hawkmaster]

sounds simple enough. just in case you lot start bragging about using the cheaper stuff, someone has logged in as the dept of transport (they may be genuine) and are actively snooping this post..
which is nice.
Don't be silly it was MASS, already checked! :lol:

[North East Harris Hawker]

aha! i never
well MASS!
what can i say?

Tuesday
Wednesday
And
Thursday!

[Hawkmaster]

Lucky how you getting on with that chippy oil filter? Do you know how well it filters, microns wise?

I really am interested in getting some FOOD in my tank now, especially if I have to drive more miles now as we are going to stay away from avain quarry!

Where would we buy Rapeseed oil?

[BlackHawke]

rapeseed oil is veg oil. never used, used oil but unused works fine. although if u use to much my fronty does take a little longer to start but when its goin no probs at all

[Talib]

Lucky how you getting on with that chippy oil filter? Do you know how well it filters, microns wise?

I really am interested in getting some FOOD in my tank now, especially if I have to drive more miles now as we are going to stay away from avain quarry!

Where would we buy Rapeseed oil?

HM Revenue & Customs have decided to charge the same duty for veg oil as they do for diesel... looks like the "cheap" alternative for diesel isn't going to be "cheap" anymore. Hope you guys didn't spend a lot of money converting your motors...
Maybe HMR & C would have left veg oil duty alone if there had not been so much shouting about it...

Talib

[Sparrow Hawker]

That's typical of our government only think of one thing, I'm not surprised they have done that! Was always on the cards anyway!

The goverment say we should cut emissions etc and vegetable oil is a renewable source so why doesn't our government promote the use of veg oil as the ideal alternative! reason being loss of tax revenue! Would help farmers out to as they could diversify into growing rapeseed etc.

This extra fuel duty we pay compared to other European countries is absoluterly rediculous where does it all go? Buying more Jags for Mr Prescott I reckon!!!

HH

[Pitbull]

is the veg oil the same as bio-diesel cause the garage up the road from me was selling on the fore court for 30 odd pence