Ferruginous x Redtail

[PlantBreeder]

Simple question, made well in advance,

Are there any breeders in the UK that intend to
produce Ferruginous x Redtail hybrids next year ?

If you are, please PM me, Thanks.

[EdenJohnny]

Simple question, made well in advance,

Are there any breeders in the UK that intend to
produce Ferruginous x Redtail hybrids next year ?

If you are, please PM me, Thanks.
Hi, there was one advertised on here last week or so, Ferrutail I think.
Johnny

[Gary F]

look on bird trader or i.b.r mate,,,, sure ive seen some on bird trader lately,

[PlantBreeder]

Thanks Gents, but I'm thinking of a youngster, not an adult bird.

[AndyHawks]

ring a few breeders on ibr they might have plans to produce em.get ya name down for one.goodluck.atb andy

[JamesFox]

Hello,

Can i ask what are the benefits to having such a hybrid?

What price do these hybrids usually fetch?


many thanks

[Alan G]

There is a breeder around the Dumfries & Galloway area. Two friends are due picking theirs up tomorrow. If i get a chance, i'll try and get some photo's on.

[Alan G]

There is a breeder around the Dumfries & Galloway area. Two friends are due picking theirs up tomorrow. If i get a chance, i'll try and get some photo's on.

Missed the opportunity to meet up with the guys yesterday.

[FalconGriff]

Bob Crease bred them in the past- not sure now but may be worth a phone call? Can't think of a good reason to want tone though!!

[MelB]

Bob Crease bred them in the past- not sure now but may be worth a phone call? Can't think of a good reason to want tone though!!

He wants to imprint one.:confused:

[Tony123ABC]

Those who never think out of the box are destined to be trapped in that box.
Do it just to do it. And also crushing some rabbits while your at it........Fun fun fun.

[Chanting Goshawk]

Simple question, made well in advance,

Are there any breeders in the UK that intend to
produce Ferruginous x Redtail hybrids next year ?

If you are, please PM me, Thanks.

i thought you had decided on a straight ferru tim ? i contacted my friend to tell him you were interested maybe you could let us know

[MelB]

Those who never think out of the box are destined to be trapped in that box.
Do it just to do it. And also crushing some rabbits while your at it........Fun fun fun.

Those that think inside the box first tend to enjoy the greatest success.:supz:

[HallBeck]

I can't even find the box :lol:

[MelB]

I can't even find the box :lol:

I was alright until they dug me up.:lol:

[Tony123ABC]

I think success is like beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder. Go faster, jump higher, shoot for the moon, or eat another boring meal and wait for bed time.
Me, I think the ferrutail can be the best of both birds. My goal is to produce them using a female ferru and a hand selected successful male RT. From where I am, and what I hunt, the best combo possible. And kudos to the brave explorers of modern falconry.

[MelB]

I think success is like beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder. Go faster, jump higher, shoot for the moon, or eat another boring meal and wait for bed time.
Me, I think the ferrutail can be the best of both birds. My goal is to produce them using a female ferru and a hand selected successful male RT. From where I am, and what I hunt, the best combo possible. And kudos to the brave explorers of modern falconry.

Tony, what type of land do you recommend?

[Tony123ABC]

Well, for the wish list, I would recommend land with large deposits of placer gold, gem stones, old growth black walnut forrest and fresh streams that lead into large well shaped ponds. Preferably in a mild climate like that found in San Diego, Ca.

But for a ferrutail, I would suggest land that has some hills a minor amount of taller trees and brush that is broken to allow for decent flushes. The ferru will tend to chase far slips. But if the RT takes hold it will also be great for shorter foot slips and great for crashing brush. I fly from hills and from the fist. I like to give the height advantage. And I like the fact that every time the bird misses, it has to get height again. Keeps em strong. I like my birds to be able to motor up hills easily. Here where I live my sage is thick. It took quite a while, but I was able to transform about 60% to open grasses that have sagebrush harborage sites for the grouse, chukar and jacks. This will be the first season in the new cover scheme. I think it will work out well. But, if at the end season I have nothing in the bag, I will have to re-think it. tony

[Daave77]

I think success is like beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder. Go faster, jump higher, shoot for the moon, or eat another boring meal and wait for bed time.
Me, I think the ferrutail can be the best of both birds. My goal is to produce them using a female ferru and a hand selected successful male RT. From where I am, and what I hunt, the best combo possible. And kudos to the brave explorers of modern falconry.

What makes you think you'll get the best of both, you're just as likely to get the worst but you're right it's all in the eye of the beholder/creator and few would admit the bird isn't awesome.
I have no feelings either way on this hybrid and am not against hybrids (I fly one) but just because something can be done doesn't mean it always should and I wouldn't call certain creations thinking outside the box so much as creating a rubbish one but novelty factor and curiousity will ensure a constant stream of the unusual to the downright weird and everything in between but lets not pretend we're all very clever to fly them gents!

[MelB]

Well, for the wish list, I would recommend land with large deposits of placer gold, gem stones, old growth black walnut forrest and fresh streams that lead into large well shaped ponds. Preferably in a mild climate like that found in San Diego, Ca.

But for a ferrutail, I would suggest land that has some hills a minor amount of taller trees and brush that is broken to allow for decent flushes. The ferru will tend to chase far slips. But if the RT takes hold it will also be great for shorter foot slips and great for crashing brush. I fly from hills and from the fist. I like to give the height advantage. And I like the fact that every time the bird misses, it has to get height again. Keeps em strong. I like my birds to be able to motor up hills easily. Here where I live my sage is thick. It took quite a while, but I was able to transform about 60% to open grasses that have sagebrush harborage sites for the grouse, chukar and jacks. This will be the first season in the new cover scheme. I think it will work out well. But, if at the end season I have nothing in the bag, I will have to re-think it. tony

With Norfolk, the words pancake and flat spring to mind.

[Hacker]

I think success is like beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder. Go faster, jump higher, shoot for the moon, or eat another boring meal and wait for bed time.
Me, I think the ferrutail can be the best of both birds. My goal is to produce them using a female ferru and a hand selected successful male RT. From where I am, and what I hunt, the best combo possible. And kudos to the brave explorers of modern falconry.

Tony.
I believe you will reach your goal.
Your thought on this hybrid is the same as mine and for the time i spent with my Ferutail I believe that this bird will fit that ideal.
I would of loved to of carried on with her but the chance to obtain a bird that i have always aspired to fly sadly brought our partnership to an end as i could not do justice to two birds.
Sadly you will be advised by many that have never been there, but just be sure to provide us with a great thread when you do get there.
I look forward to reading your exploits.
Richard

[Daave77]

With Norfolk, the words pancake and flat spring to mind.

It's Alan Partridge for me :wink::lol:

[MelB]

It's Alan Partridge for me :wink::lol:

I always missed that.:twisted:

[PlantBreeder]

So many reactionary outbursts from such a simple question;-

James Fox, "What are the benefits" - Perhaps you should ask someone who
has actually flown one, you might get an honest answer rather than just a
litany of assumptions and prejudice.

MelB, "He wants to imprint one :confused:" - Mel, it's not a crime you know.

Chanting Goshawk, - "Thought you had decided on a straight Ferrugi" - If that
is what is available, O.K., I can breed my own hybrid.

MelB, - ".......... Tend to enjoy the greatest success" - That depends largely
upon what your goals are, doesn't it ?

Daave 77, - "What makes you think ........" - Equally, what makes you think
it won't work out ? And perhaps I am pretty smart, we shall see.

MelB, - "The words Pancake spring to mind..." - My land drops around 60 feet in 300, try running up and down that a dozen times.

Come on guys, if we all thought like that we'd all still be living in mud huts
and banging the rocks together ! If you don't try, you won't know, and even
if you fail you have at least had the courage to try.

[MelB]

So many reactionary outbursts from such a simple question;-

James Fox, "What are the benefits" - Perhaps you should ask someone who
has actually flown one, you might get an honest answer rather than just a
litany of assumptions and prejudice.

MelB, "He wants to imprint one :confused:" - Mel, it's not a crime you know.

Chanting Goshawk, - "Thought you had decided on a straight Ferrugi" - If that
is what is available, O.K., I can breed my own hybrid.

MelB, - ".......... Tend to enjoy the greatest success" - That depends largely
upon what your goals are, doesn't it ?

Daave 77, - "What makes you think ........" - Equally, what makes you think
it won't work out ? And perhaps I am pretty smart, we shall see.

MelB, - "The words Pancake spring to mind..." - My land drops around 60 feet in 300, try running up and down that a dozen times.

Come on guys, if we all thought like that we'd all still be living in mud huts
and banging the rocks together ! If you don't try, you won't know, and even
if you fail you have at least had the courage to try.
And if you fail you have a screwed up bird, as you have reminded me on many occations when reffering to other people. Yes it's flat! If you set your goals so low you and your bird can be the best you have ever seen

[Fenlands Rescue]

Julian down at Huxleys normally breed a few.

[PlantBreeder]

And if you fail you have a screwed up bird, as you have reminded me on many occations when reffering to other people. Yes it's flat! If you set your goals so low you and your bird can be the best you have ever seen

There you go again Mel, making wild assumptions about me, who you don't
know so well, a bird that I doubt you have experience of, my training methods
the results of which you have not seen.
Shall we just agree to wait and see. If I'm wrong you can have a good laugh,
if I'm right mines a pint,...... of rum. Deal ??

[MelB]

There you go again Mel, making wild assumptions about me, who you don't
know so well, a bird that I doubt you have experience of, my training methods
the results of which you have not seen.
Shall we just agree to wait and see. If I'm wrong you can have a good laugh,
if I'm right mines a pint,...... of rum. Deal ??

I wouldn't fly one Tim, I been out with those that have. I couldn't provide for one in the way it would need, nor do I suspect could you. You were telling me that you can't fly anymore as you have too many health problems, whats happened to the them? and how can you run up and down those hills? I'm sorry to tell you, you will need more than a book to fly one of those big boys. Have you any pics of you and your goshawk? atb and good luck.

[PlantBreeder]

I wouldn't fly one Tim, I been out with those that have. I couldn't provide for one in the way it would need, nor do I suspect could you. You were telling me that you can't fly anymore as you have too many health problems, whats happened to the them? and how can you run up and down those hills? I'm sorry to tell you, you will need more than a book to fly one of those big boys. Have you any pics of you and your goshawk? atb and good luck.

Woah, just go back a step, yes I have health problems, but have I ever told anybody on here that it prevents me flying ??? No, thought not !
True, I could not fly whilst I was having surgery, but now I am on the mend
and have the go-ahead from the Doctors, so I repeat, Just wait and see !!!

[MelB]

Woah, just go back a step, yes I have health problems, but have I ever told anybody on here that it prevents me flying ??? No, thought not !
True, I could not fly whilst I was having surgery, but now I am on the mend
and have the go-ahead from the Doctors, so I repeat, Just wait and see !!!

I tell you what Tim, I will bring along a male and female Harris, you can have ago at flying them. I'll even bring them to zoo if you like I have some land there. You can get some pics of the on the glove if you like.

[Daave77]

So many reactionary outbursts from such a simple question;-


Daave 77, - "What makes you think ........" - Equally, what makes you think
it won't work out ? And perhaps I am pretty smart, we shall see.


Come on guys, if we all thought like that we'd all still be living in mud huts
and banging the rocks together ! If you don't try, you won't know, and even
if you fail you have at least had the courage to try.

Firstly however smart you may think you are has no bearing on how this hybrid will turn out as well you know! I didn't say it wouldn't work I said it would be as likely not to, but you know that!

Secondly it takes no courage at all to create one, curiousity maybe but certainly no courage! I don't believe either my view or others would mean we would still be banging rocks together, necessity is the mother of invention, where this falls short in that area is it's not necessary!

Fill your boots, buy one and put up a diary thread, I'll happily read it, but you're not courageous, the jury is out on smart too;-)

[PlantBreeder]

I tell you what Tim, I will bring along a male and female Harris, you can have ago at flying them. I'll even bring them to zoo if you like I have some land there. You can get some pics of the on the glove if you like.

And if you are a real sweetie, I'll show you all my scars, seeing as you seem to want to get into this stupid "Mine's bigger than yours" nonsense.

Just what is it that makes you feel you have to prove anything to me, I have
never tried to make you feel small, have I ??

[MelB]

Firstly however smart you may think you are has no bearing on how this hybrid will turn out as well you know! I didn't say it wouldn't work I said it would be as likely not to, but you know that!

Secondly it takes no courage at all to create one, curiousity maybe but certainly no courage! I don't believe either my view or others would mean we would still be banging rocks together, necessity is the mother of invention, where this falls short in that area is it's not necessary!

Fill your boots, buy one and put up a diary thread, I'll happily read it, but you're not courageous, the jury is out on smart too;-)

You summed that up.:supz:

[MelB]

And if you are a real sweetie, I'll show you all my scars, seeing as you seem to want to get into this stupid "Mine's bigger than yours" nonsense.

Just what is it that makes you feel you have to prove anything to me, I have
never tried to make you feel small, have I ??

No Tim you sit there night after night in your little brainiac club, spouting shyte you pass jugement on those asking for advise, you never give any you just shadow. You have never flown a bird in all you days, you think you can read a few books and then blagg it. Sorry me old pal there are people on here that know there stuff, you can only blagg it for so long.

[PlantBreeder]

..............................
Fill your boots, buy one and put up a diary thread, I'll happily read it, but you're not courageous, the jury is out on smart too;-)

Another false assumption, you will NOT see a diary, I do what I do for
my own interest, not for the benefit of anybody else.
No, it's probably not necessary, but that has little relevance, I choose to.

[UberBowman]

Firstly however smart you may think you are has no bearing on how this hybrid will turn out as well you know! I didn't say it wouldn't work I said it would be as likely not to, but you know that!

Secondly it takes no courage at all to create one, curiousity maybe but certainly no courage! I don't believe either my view or others would mean we would still be banging rocks together, necessity is the mother of invention, where this falls short in that area is it's not necessary!

Fill your boots, buy one and put up a diary thread, I'll happily read it, but you're not courageous, the jury is out on smart too;-)
He is couragous if he is willing to commit to the bird regardless of whether it meets all his needs.
From what I know of Tim the man has balls the size of melons (I know Mel's gonna love that one). As for smart, I like to think that I am not exactly dumb, but the guy seems to have a brain the size of a planet. I say stand back and wait for the fireworks, they may turn out to have been kept in a damp cellar, but then again..............................

[Daave77]

Another false assumption, you will NOT see a diary, I do what I do for
my own interest, not for the benefit of anybody else.
No, it's probably not necessary, but that has little relevance, I choose to.

And there we have it...'I choose to', nothing whatsoever to do with courage or advancement but more 'Mummy I want one so I shall have one!'
I'm more than happy not to read your thread or hear any updates, just promise us you won't stamp your feet and scream if the breeder has no stock left (not very becoming of a man of senior years :lol:)

atb

[PlantBreeder]

No Tim you sit there night after night in your little brainiac club, spouting shyte you pass jugement on those asking for advise, you never give any you just shadow. You have never flown a bird in all you days, you think you can read a few books and then blagg it. Sorry me old pal there are people on here that know there stuff, you can only blagg it for so long.

As it's supposed to be a free country, you are entitled to your opinions,
however cockeyed they may be.
Perhaps I will fail miserably, and then you will have the joy of saying
"I told you so".

Let's just wait and see, how can I be any fairer than that ??

[MelB]

As it's supposed to be a free country, you are entitled to your opinions,
however cockeyed they may be.
Perhaps I will fail miserably, and then you will have the joy of saying
"I told you so".

Let's just wait and see, how can I be any fairer than that ??

No comment on all the other accusation then? and what about those pics?

[Daave77]

No comment on all the other accusation then? and what about those pics?

Leave it now......he does it in private, you've been told and apparently he has balls the size of melons and a brain the size of a planet so clearly suffers a disability there....must be a nightmare finding a hat to fit!!!

[Chanting Goshawk]

Woah, just go back a step, yes I have health problems, but have I ever told anybody on here that it prevents me flying ??? No, thought not !
True, I could not fly whilst I was having surgery, but now I am on the mend
and have the go-ahead from the Doctors, so I repeat, Just wait and see !!!

tim you pm me and ask if i know a breeder of ferru i say yes and contact this person.I then got a pm saying that in january or feb you will place an order the next thing is youve changed your mind and want a ferru tail .please dont mess me around tim ive now informed the breeder that you are wasting our time.really tim without all the long words re think the choice of bird the health issues you have and the type of land you have to fly on cos i think your getting a little over excited which surprises me from you.If someone else was proposing to do this im sure you would gently try to dissuade them.I handle male and female goldies and i really think your underestimating the power of these large birds

[Hacker]

Another slagging off thread i see!
sums up the forum nowadays at times.:lol:

[Chanting Goshawk]

He is couragous if he is willing to commit to the bird regardless of whether it meets all his needs.
From what I know of Tim the man has balls the size of melons (I know Mel's gonna love that one). As for smart, I like to think that I am not exactly dumb, but the guy seems to have a brain the size of a planet. I say stand back and wait for the fireworks, they may turn out to have been kept in a damp cellar, but then again..............................

not courage like i say over excited regarding ferru tail if hes honest with himself its a harris all day long and he would do it justice but not ferru tail

[Harris]

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