Ivory Statue of a Falconer

[AccipiterFreak]

for our fellow Japanese falconer friends, just found this 19 centry ivory statue of a falconer from British Museum

[Lenka]

Its exquisite! The attention to detail, the cleanness of the lines - the bird looks like is ready to take off the glove! A sunningly beautiful piece:heart::heart::heart:

[Yarak28]

THIS IS SO COOL I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE STATUES LIKE THIS AWSOME

[Yoji]

Oh, I have never seen this even I am a japanese.
Thanks for the picture.
Yoji

[FalconGriff]

Shudder to think what something of that quality would cost!!

[Kentish Falconry]

Shudder to think what something of that quality would cost!!

You can afford it Griff :lol:

[AndyHawks]

they have a few diff ones of these in the royal armouries in leeds,japenese falconers next time in there will get some piks!

[FalconGriff]

No I can't but I would like to be offered one. How much do you think I would get for the wife???!!!

[Robam]

That's a stunning piece of craftmanship.

[Millet]

I wonder how long it would take to do something like that..???..shame he did not put more time into the falcon as it look's like a pigeon..:roll:..
Millet

[PrinceOfTheWesternDesert]

one time,,about 1985,,i was with some guys who visited an ivory dealer in los angeles,, his office was in the"diamond district" behind all the same security as the diamond dealers,,and he appeared to be chinese,,(alone in that part of town),,,while i didnt see anything that appeals to be as much as the ivory falconer,, i did see enough to realize,, that ivory is the medium of the most talented handcarvers on earth

[Kennelre]

This is what the British Museum says about that particular statue:

Ivory statue of a falconerFrom Tokyo, Japan
Meiji era, late 19th century AD

After the Meiji Restoration in 1868, many changes occurred within Japan that forced craftsmen to adapt their skills or change trades completely. For example, the new preference for western dress over the traditional Japanese kimono meant that there was no longer a demand for ivory netsuke. At the same time, a vast overseas market for traditional Japanese arts and crafts developed, and some carvers turned to producing purely ornamental sculptures suitable for this western market. This piece was probably made by a member of the Tokyo Ivory Sculptors' Association, which was set up by the government to ensure that such skills were not lost.

The masterly carving reproduces every fold of the falconer's costume. Note particularly the suggestion of the textured pattern of his outer coat, the straw of his gaiters and boots, the individual strands of the cord and the soft plumage of the bird.


...Rene.

[HawkMom]

A good falconry friend of mine the late Sam Dubois of Maryland, showed me some old carved ivory work at his house one day. I also think it was also Japanese. This was in the 1980's. But, it's been soo long, I don't remember the subject of the art.

[Java Falconer]

One beautiful statue indeed ;)
What raptor could that be?

[Yoji]

I am not sure but this raptor could be a goshawk or a peregrine falcon.
Yoji.

[Yoji]

Thank Rene for the explanation about the statue.

[Java Falconer]

I am not sure but this raptor could be a goshawk or a peregrine falcon.
Yoji.

IC. By the look of the wing feathers, more like a falcon to me. Peregrine is probably be the bird.

[PaulAce]

Is there any carbon dating Or DNA proofs on that particular statue before that is a positively made in Honable Japan or by some honable Japanese artist ? Well, it could be really hard to get any proofs if it's made with a ivory...so as world mystery of The Shroud of Turin (shroud of Jesus) which determined as a fake in a current record.

If it's without tangible proofs just Anyone can make it in any times in any places in any shapes... & claim it that is & it really looks & of it's colorwise it is not made by the artists of around that time in the Great Empire of Japan & before of it's time.

I have some guts feeling about something really wrong on that statue.-- the way of the leashes & especially the Knots , the way of the clothings of front chest areas... the head gear., of it's shoes, the sword guard called "tsuba" & etc... over all, it's really bit off & very very awkward in many people's eyes.

It seems to me someone took off bit of the parts images of honorable Japanese falconers in many era's of honorable Japanese clothings & with disrespects & forcefully put it together without any deep reserches & any directions from of it's true histories or the true honorable Japanese historians ..:lol:

I'm not a specialist about antiques but I studied art in geneal & I've seen many old dated stuffs all over the worlds in my life ... 8-)

it's rather... copied or got some ideas of figures from the much recent styles of relatively cheap Japanese figurines which are heavyly circulated around much lator after the WWII if so, it really shouldn't be in any museums what so ever.

But again, I really would like to see some ridgid & tangible proofs before everyone determine it as a it is really originated from the land of Honorable Japanese people or made by a hands of honorable Japanese artist back then. otherwise, noone can't accept anything what people sees on this picture here. without the any proofs of it..it should be totally considered as if it is a outright dispeakable fake to cofuse people. 8-)

[Falcons7]

Are you saying the most respected museum in the world dont know what there honrably talking about , Im sure not many honerable members of the honerable list would wana argue with the honerable museum !
jeff



Is there any carbon dating Or DNA proofs on that particular statue before that is a positively made in Honable Japan or by some honable Japanese artist ? Well, it could be really hard to get any proofs if it's made with a ivory...so as world mystery of The Shroud of Turin (shroud of Jesus) which determined as a fake in a current record.

If it's without tangible proofs just Anyone can make it in any times in any places in any shapes... & claim it that is & it really looks & of it's colorwise it is not made by the artists of around that time in the Great Empire of Japan & before of it's time.

I have some guts feeling about something really wrong on that statue.-- the way of the leashes & especially the Knots , the way of the clothings of front chest areas... the head gear., of it's shoes, the sword guard called "tsuba" & etc... over all, it's really bit off & very very awkward in many people's eyes.

It seems to me someone took off bit of the parts images of honorable Japanese falconers in many era's of honorable Japanese clothings & with disrespects & forcefully put it together without any deep reserches & any directions from of it's true histories or the true honorable Japanese historians ..:lol:

I'm not a specialist about antiques but I studied art in geneal & I've seen many old dated stuffs all over the worlds in my life ... 8-)

it's rather... copied or got some ideas of figures from the much recent styles of relatively cheap Japanese figurines which are heavyly circulated around much lator after the WWII if so, it really shouldn't be in any museums what so ever.

But again, I really would like to see some ridgid & tangible proofs before everyone determine it as a it is really originated from the land of Honorable Japanese people or made by a hands of honorable Japanese artist back then. otherwise, noone can't accept anything what people sees on this picture here. without the any proofs of it..it should be totally considered as if it is a outright dispeakable fake to cofuse people. 8-)

[OutHawkn]

so as world mystery of The Shroud of Turin (shroud of Jesus) which determined as a fake in a current record.




Actually the "hot dog " scientist that declared it to be a fake several years ago has now gone back and re-examined it and has declared "it could be" .....


As for the art work, I think I'd trust this muesum.................:supz:

[PaulAce]

8-) "It could be" isn't a sure enough as answers of an Authenticity fromScientist to me! :lol:

----hey? I found a bones of the dino! take a look at it! What do you think??
" It coud be..."

-----Hey, can you say ? "it could be?" for the thing that i found? I'll pay you some...

err...sure! " It could be " means nothing... I can answer that for you!

"Hey? it is that a falcon? flying over there? "
"it could be" :lol::lol:

[Kat67]

Honourable:roll::lol:

[PaulAce]

"dud? is that the guy who's a english but can't even write any english in special education class?"

" It could be... but Hey... Don't you laugh at him, son. When i was in the Max Born institute of the Physics I was considered as a one of the R'tard. because everyone eles was considered as totally top gun geniuses from all over the world! but lator, i've noticed myself from helps of many great indivisuals that I'm a TOP GUN genious in much totally different subject...then i've got this empire of fortunes. Now, i can literary able to purchase entire U.K. or trash it with a single telephone call... Carl? fetch me a I-pad with today's news & a cup of a tea! How's the Eyjafjallajokull Eruption's doing right now? look, son.. Most of english people can't even spell or say the the name of the volcano in english which is currently taking thier economy all over the UK about US$250 millions perday!! that's about...188 million Euros...every!... single!... day! that's will hurt & penetrates all over the people's pockets in the UK very slowly in this worst world financial crisis ...it will be VERY SAD & bad... Every people in UK would suffers very slowly like fox's neck trapped in the terrible wire snares...the mighty U.K. militaries can't even fixed that one too... oh, well...that's happens.... well manners & educations are very important for your life, son. C'mon! karl? my cup of tea & my I-pad Ready!!?? I want to check something here! chap! chap! man... that geeky brit chap is getting slow day by day too! What a silly Muppet we've got...LOL " :yawinkle:

[K.K]

Excuse me but from this angle looks more like pigeon he holds.

[Kennelre]

PaulAce...what is it that disturbs you so?
If a museum has authenticated the piece then it would be difficult to conflict with their opinion from a picture.


...Rene.

[PaulAce]

Nothing would disturbs me so . :lol:
However, as a person like myself knows very much that there too many rubbish hasn't still weeded out in many museums in worlds even in The museum of human history and culture in London.:lol:
Are you kidding on me ? or you are kidding with us for a good laughs? :lol:

Just let me know when you've got solid Authenticity from the scientist"s" team with genuine JAPANESE Historians team plus, genuine JAPANESE antiquarian teams...okey? then I would try to acquire it from many souses & crash it into the dusts & throw it away for just for my pleasure.:yawinkle:

[Tony James]

Is there any carbon dating Or DNA proofs on that particular statue before that is a positively made in Honable Japan or by some honable Japanese artist ? Well, it could be really hard to get any proofs if it's made with a ivory...so as world mystery of The Shroud of Turin (shroud of Jesus) which determined as a fake in a current record.

If it's without tangible proofs just Anyone can make it in any times in any places in any shapes... & claim it that is & it really looks & of it's colorwise it is not made by the artists of around that time in the Great Empire of Japan & before of it's time.

I have some guts feeling about something really wrong on that statue.-- the way of the leashes & especially the Knots , the way of the clothings of front chest areas... the head gear., of it's shoes, the sword guard called "tsuba" & etc... over all, it's really bit off & very very awkward in many people's eyes.

It seems to me someone took off bit of the parts images of honorable Japanese falconers in many era's of honorable Japanese clothings & with disrespects & forcefully put it together without any deep reserches & any directions from of it's true histories or the true honorable Japanese historians ..:lol:

I'm not a specialist about antiques but I studied art in geneal & I've seen many old dated stuffs all over the worlds in my life ... 8-)

it's rather... copied or got some ideas of figures from the much recent styles of relatively cheap Japanese figurines which are heavyly circulated around much lator after the WWII if so, it really shouldn't be in any museums what so ever.

But again, I really would like to see some ridgid & tangible proofs before everyone determine it as a it is really originated from the land of Honorable Japanese people or made by a hands of honorable Japanese artist back then. otherwise, noone can't accept anything what people sees on this picture here. without the any proofs of it..it should be totally considered as if it is a outright dispeakable fake to cofuse people. 8-)

Hi Paul,

to my inexperienced eye it looks to be right, but as has been said, it's difficult to judge on the evidence of one picture.
Errors in the detail can perhaps be put down to the fact that the carver would have been unfamiliar with falcons and falconry (amongst other things), but it looks to be carving of the highest standard, even if it is post Meiji.
The tsuba looks to be acceptable, as does the japanese sword length (traditionally, as I understand it, japanese falconers carried a sword of specific length, somewhere between katana and wakizashi).
I'm sure you are more knowledgable than me, but what seems wrong about the knots? Without refering to my bookshelf I couldn't tell you if they are accurate or not (as you know, there were many variations).
The buchi looks good too, and if it's carved from the single piece of ivory, it's amazing.
As for the hawk itself, japanese art of that period (in my opinion at least) rarely depicted hawks in the way that we are used to today. Apart from scrolls, I have seen a number of tsuba, kozuka and suchlike that depicted hawks in a way that makes it difficult to tell what they were, hawk or falcon. In fact I have a very nice daimyo or katana kake of the late Edo period decorated with traditional japanese falconry furniture that for all it's quality still leaves something to be desired in it's depiction of a goshawk.
Given the volume of fakes that have reached the marketplace in the past half century or more, I can understand a degree of scepticism (and perhaps irritation), but I would hope the carving has a provenance that supports it's description.

Best wishes,

Tony.

[PaulAce]

Hi, Tony, it's nice to be back on the topic subject. It would be nice if you can obtain or see the good evidences with many histrical facts. there are way too many people touched & studied in the subjest of Japan & Everyone bit differes from true originals with different time frames, seasons , areas, classes etc, . at sametime manmy non japanese foreigners & japanese themselves published many books with thier owns, some of them with imaginations & lator on it significantly changed from of it's true original. I can say about the Swords too . and tell you what. manythings is totally wrong with it. just like a good falconer can tell that is a good bow pearches or a dangerous ones. & it's pretty similar to naked eyes and non falconer can't even a tell any differences.


Hi Paul,

to my inexperienced eye it looks to be right, but as has been said, it's difficult to judge on the evidence of one picture.
Errors in the detail can perhaps be put down to the fact that the carver would have been unfamiliar with falcons and falconry (amongst other things), but it looks to be carving of the highest standard, even if it is post Meiji.
The tsuba looks to be acceptable, as does the japanese sword length (traditionally, as I understand it, japanese falconers carried a sword of specific length, somewhere between katana and wakizashi).
I'm sure you are more knowledgable than me, but what seems wrong about the knots? Without refering to my bookshelf I couldn't tell you if they are accurate or not (as you know, there were many variations).
As for the hawk itself, japanese art of that period (in my opinion at least) rarely depicted hawks in the way that we are used to today. Apart from scrolls, I have seen a number of tsuba, kozuka and suchlike that depicted hawks in a way that makes it difficult to tell what they were, hawk or falcon. In fact I have a very nice daimyo or katana kake of the Meiji period decorated with traditional japanese falconry furniture that for all it's quality still leaves something to be desired in it's depiction of a goshawk.
Given the volume of fakes that have reached the marketplace in the past half century or more, I can understand a degree of scepticism (and perhaps irritation), but I would hope the carving has a provenance that supports it's description.

Best wishes,

Tony.

[Kennelre]

Nothing would disturbs me so . :lol:
However, as a person like myself knows very much that there too many rubbish hasn't still weeded out in many museums in worlds even in The museum of human history and culture in London.:lol:
Are you kidding on me ? or you are kidding with us for a good laughs? :lol:

Just let me know when you've got solid Authenticity from the scientist"s" team with genuine JAPANESE Historians team plus, genuine JAPANESE antiquarian teams...okey? then I would try to acquire it from many souses & crash it into the dusts & throw it away for just for my pleasure.:yawinkle:

Nope, I'm not attempting humour and nor am I remotely amused by your attitude.
I have quoted what the museum said about the piece...and you have contested it. I have no idea on what grounds you contest because I can make no sense at all of what you say. But this forum is full of people who make no sense to me, so this is not unusual and I am not of a mind to care about it.
Have a nice day my friend. I have no use for ridiculous discussions such as this.


...Rene.

[JFSeaman]

Guys,

I wouldn't pay any attention to PaulAce.

He's not American even though his profile says so. His dialect is all wrong.

He is obviously looking to wind up anyone he can.

and lastly

Obviously of low IQ as anyone with a decent IQ and modern manners doesn't mention such things.

Beautiful carving.

[PaulAce]

Nah, it's fake. check it back with "Pro"... now. you'll see. :yawinkle:
Jfseaman? Are you a PRO antiquarian? or a falconer in Cambria in San Luis Obispo County, California, United States. The city of population is about 6,232 in year 2000 but it must have changed a lot in 2010. that's wonderful place you live. i've been there very often in a past.

[Tony James]

Hi, Tony, it's nice to be back on the topic subject. It would be nice if you can obtain or see the good evidences with many histrical facts. there are way too many people touched & studied in the subjest of Japan & Everyone bit differes from true originals with different time frames, seasons , areas, classes etc, . at sametime manmy non japanese foreigners & japanese themselves published many books with thier owns, some of them with imaginations & lator on it significantly changed from of it's true original. I can say about the Swords too . and tell you what. manythings is totally wrong with it. just like a good falconer can tell that is a good bow pearches or a dangerous ones. & it's pretty similar to naked eyes and non falconer can't even a tell any differences.



Hi Paul,

given that I'm merely an enthusiast for traditional Japanese falconry as well as swords and fittings, rather than an expert, I have to concede to the greater knowledge of others --- as I do with this carving.
I have friends in Japan who are passionate about their falconry history, and to the japanese it seems, detail is even more important than it is to us in the UK. Perhaps I'll forward the picture for an educated opinion from friends who know more than I do about these things.

Best wishes,

Tony.

[JFSeaman]

Nah, it's fake. check it back with "Pro"... now. you'll see. :yawinkle:
Jfseaman? Are you a PRO antiquarian? or a falconer in Cambria in San Luis Obispo County, California, United States. The city of population is about 6,232 in year 2000 but it must have changed a lot in 2010. that's wonderful place you live. i've been there very often in a past.

Wow, PaulAce can use a search engine. Doesn't prove you are American, in point of fact your lack if intimate knowledge shows you have no knowledge of America, California, San Louis Obispo Country or Cambria.

I suspect that your knowledge of Japanese ivory carving comes from the same place as your knowledge of Cambria, internet search engines.

[Greg]

Whatever PaulAce is on it's not doing him any good!

[PaulAce]

JFSeaman? I can be there right now, just pick me up! you know what i mean? Can you get us a pack of beers i haven't drink in years & let's go to hot springs for some male-bonding time, Bah! call all of your ladies! it's a nice sunny day outside as usual! lmao! :supz:

[JFSeaman]

JFSeaman? I can be there right now, just pick me up! you know what i mean? Can you get us a pack of beers i haven't drink in years & let's go to hot springs for some male-bonding time, Bah! call all of your ladies! it's a nice sunny day outside as usual! lmao! :supz:

As usual? You really don't know Cambria do you.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Kennelre]

As usual? You really don't know Cambria do you.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

JF...we're all googling it now.:lol:


...Rene.

[PaulAce]

JFSeaman It's bit windy here but good & sunny. i believe over at your place too right? but who knows it might be bit foggy over there because you live near by the ocean? :yawinkle: if i leave now i can get there before it's get dark.
you wanna do it? or what?

As usual? You really don't know Cambria do you.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[JFSeaman]

JFSeaman It's bit windy here but good & sunny. i believe over at your place too right? but who knows it might be bit foggy over there because you live near by the ocean? :yawinkle: if i leave now i can get there before it's get dark.
you wanna do it? or what?

If it will take you until dark to get here, you are about as close as Manchester to London. So again you prove your lack of knowledge of Cambria. How can anyone believe your opinions of the facts all come from internet search.

[PaulAce]

Tony it is nice of you to have a international relationships. People should learn from this for the bright future instead of turning back to the modern caveman warfares.

okey let's get back to the subject...man..Since i have so low IQ i don't know why i have to keep telling myself just way too manytimes " let's back to the subject..." on here.... is it' just me? or someoneeles trying so hard? :lol:

okey,tony... for instance....let's flip thinkings... you see the statue of back in a day british prince with bow & arrow with farmers shoes....& it's in a Japanese museums & it was authentcated long ago but not now adays...
then you , Tony ...you take a look at it & found a little bit funky & odd & an balanced on this statue's & made a statement saying that it should be reconsidered & should be checked again. the all the Japanese people in forums are starting to saying No!!! it is correct. & it's in a museum of Japan!! " You are tring to wind up again!" " you have Low I.Q.'s!!!" " You can't even read & write!!!" all the things you've read over here already...lol I shouldn't be careless if i were you it's just noise in a back ground... & even pretending that is some kind of police on here to give you a tickets ...YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 8-) because it's all irrelevant & silly LOL
but your true british gut feeling saying... "hey c'mon...man...i havn't see a pictures or the statue of a british prince with a pair of slaves shoes.... or let's say some modern soldiers with scuba diving flippers on the middle of the desert with gun or something like that...don't you think it's It's stinks like someones game bag!!! ???:lol:

So, go ahead. send that statue of japanese falconer to some real PRO Japanese histrians & antiquarians, scientists. get some current data on that statue. to me, it's the way it's curved very well so indetail & very sharp in cut edge( that's not taste of that time) compared to around that time in maiji periods curvings & relatively new stylewise of the face with about 10- 20years ago as if a copy or got the idea from cheap Japanse figurines & the total balances, they way of dynamic in styles, etcetc...:lol: good luck.


Hi Paul,
given that I'm merely an enthusiast for traditional Japanese falconry as well as swords and fittings, rather than an expert, I have to concede to the greater knowledge of others --- as I do with this carving.
I have friends in Japan who are passionate about their falconry history, and to the japanese it seems, detail is even more important than it is to us in the UK. Perhaps I'll forward the picture for an educated opinion from friends who know more than I do about these things.
Best wishes,
Tony.

[Yoji]

This statue is nothing wierd.

He is wearing Kariginu (hunting wear) and Eboshi(cap).

His sword is a Tachi(big sword) and the wearing style of the sword makes me feel the person was in highest rank in Edo era.

So, he is not just a falconer.

I think the model of this statue was a member of Tokugawa family or Tokugawa Shogun himself.


Yoji

[Fenlands Rescue]

This statue is nothing wierd.

He is wearing Kariginu (hunting wear) and Eboshi(cap).

His sword is a Tachi(big sword) and the wearing style of the sword makes me feel the person was in highest rank in Edo era.

So, he is not just a falconer.

I think the model of this statue was a member of Tokugawa family or Tokugawa Shogun himself.


Yoji

Thank you Yoji, expert advice from someone who knows what they are talking about.
George

[Tony James]

Tony it is nice of you to have a international relationships. People should learn from this for the bright future instead of turning back to the modern caveman warfares.

okey let's get back to the subject...man..Since i have so low IQ i don't know why i have to keep telling myself just way too manytimes " let's back to the subject..." on here.... is it' just me? or someoneeles trying so hard? :lol:

okey,tony... for instance....let's flip thinkings... you see the statue of back in a day british prince with bow & arrow with farmers shoes....& it's in a Japanese museums & it was authentcated long ago but not now adays...
then you , Tony ...you take a look at it & found a little bit funky & odd & an balanced on this statue's & made a statement saying that it should be reconsidered & should be checked again. the all the Japanese people in forums are starting to saying No!!! it is correct. & it's in a museum of Japan!! " You are tring to wind up again!" " you have Low I.Q.'s!!!" " You can't even read & write!!!" all the things you've read over here already...lol I shouldn't be careless if i were you it's just noise in a back ground... & even pretending that is some kind of police on here to give you a tickets ...YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 8-) because it's all irrelevant & silly LOL
but your true british gut feeling saying... "hey c'mon...man...i havn't see a pictures or the statue of a british prince with a pair of slaves shoes.... or let's say some modern soldiers with scuba diving flippers on the middle of the desert with gun or something like that...don't you think it's It's stinks like someones game bag!!! ???:lol:

So, go ahead. send that statue of japanese falconer to some real PRO Japanese histrians & antiquarians, scientists. get some current data on that statue. to me, it's the way it's curved very well so indetail & very sharp in cut edge( that's not taste of that time) compared to around that time in maiji periods curvings & relatively new stylewise of the face with about 10- 20years ago as if a copy or got the idea from cheap Japanse figurines & the total balances, they way of dynamic in styles, etcetc...:lol: good luck.

Hi Paul,

the most pertinant point is that it was almost certainly made for the western market, which differed somewhat in it's taste to the japanese market of the time (and if there had been a demand for ivory figures of soldiers wearing flippers at the time, they would have been produced).
As I say, I understand your point, but actually the experts from TV's Antiques Roadshow would have a better idea of it's credentials as a work of art than we do.
One thing I can say for sure is that I'd like it in my home!

Best wishes,

Tony.

[Tony James]

This statue is nothing wierd.

He is wearing Kariginu (hunting wear) and Eboshi(cap).

His sword is a Tachi(big sword) and the wearing style of the sword makes me feel the person was in highest rank in Edo era.

So, he is not just a falconer.

I think the model of this statue was a member of Tokugawa family or Tokugawa Shogun himself.


Yoji

Hi Yoji,

if you have an interest, there are some nice menuki with a falconry theme on www.ricecracker.com (http://www.ricecracker.com) (menuki no. 817).

Two others worth watching are

www.aoi-art.com (http://www.aoi-art.com/)
www.yakiba.com (http://www.yakiba.com)

Best wishes,

Tony.

[Yoji]

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the info.

Those swords and items are very beautiful.

I reglet that I didn't learn Kendo(sword fighting art) when I was young.

This is Kendo Dojo in my hometown and the Kancho(President) of this Dojo is my athletic teacher of my high school days.

YouTube- ????????????at?????

ATB,

Yoji

[CanadaManada]

This statue is nothing wierd.

He is wearing Kariginu (hunting wear) and Eboshi(cap).

His sword is a Tachi(big sword) and the wearing style of the sword makes me feel the person was in highest rank in Edo era.

So, he is not just a falconer.

I think the model of this statue was a member of Tokugawa family or Tokugawa Shogun himself.


Yoji

I agree Yoji. Paulace has no idea what he is talking about, WHATSOEVER. Furthermore, the knots are fine.

Paulace is probably a 14 year old kid in some country far away from Japan, the U.S.A. or the UK.

I love it when these Japanophiles get on here spouting drivel they picked up in some manga forum. Priceless, Paulace. Just priceless.

I'll ask my Japanese goshawker friend who ought to have a valid opinion on this picture, tomorrow. I'll report back what he says.
Justin

[PaulAce]

I've checkd with specialist"s".

Sorry to say that it is indeed not genuine.

Also, We've found out that it was ordered to make one by a very fortunate & wealthy man from japan to some craftsman in Europe or in U.S.A as a sample piece.

I've got impressions from the order was described with very carefully written & described , very specific in details.

Yes. I've seen the copy of the order & the final pictures of the same statue itself.

Have a wonderful day.:lol:

[CanadaManada]

i've checkd with specialist"s".

Sorry to say that it is indeed not genuine.

Have a wonderful day.:lol:

Yeah, sure you have.
What qualifications do your "specialistS" have? Perhaps some names, then, as WE Japan specialists love being quoted.
You've walked into something you'll have a hard time emerging from, with any credibility intact. Those of us with years of university and in-country experience don't take such claims lightly.
So, do, please, name your specialistS. I wonder how they are so very available to you. I'd have thought they would be busier than that.

Justin

[PaulAce]

child, I can't waste anymore of my time on this . It's been confirmed. 8-)

[OutHawkn]

Is it not possible that some Mod cannot ban this guy for being a trouble maker...?

[CanadaManada]

child, i can't waste anymore of my time on this . It's been confirmed. 8-)

Now that you can't waste any more time on this, the rest of us will get back to our enjoyable conversation about this piece.
Thanks for that.

Justin

Is it not possible that some Mod cannot ban this guy for being a trouble maker...?

If they'd accept my money Bill, he'd be banned. I see Simon is having a look, so we'll see what develops.

Justin

[PaulAce]

Nah, there is no need.
again, It has been confirmed.8-)

[Kennelre]

Nah, there is no need.
again, It has been confirmed.8-)

Behave yourself...I've read your other posts on differant threads and this is obviously your posting style. No one is taking any notice you know.:lol::lol:


...Rene.

[Tony James]

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the info.

Those swords and items are very beautiful.

I reglet that I didn't learn Kendo(sword fighting art) when I was young.

This is Kendo Dojo in my hometown and the Kancho(President) of this Dojo is my athletic teacher of my high school days.

YouTube- ????????????at????? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNuGuKorHAY)

ATB,

Yoji

Hi Yoji,

I'm glad you liked them.
Very occasionally you will find a tsuba or some other sword fitting with a falconry connection on one of those sites (beware of the countless fakes being produced in China and offered for sale through various other sites).
The best japanese swords are, in my opinion, amongst the most awe inspiring works of art ever conceived (almost a forerunner of the best London shotguns in a way), and when combined with fittings on a falconry theme, well, the best of all worlds!

It looks as though kendo has a good following in your home town, which is nice to see.

Best wishes,

Tony.

[Eagle Owl]

Is it not possible that some Mod cannot ban this guy for being a trouble maker...?

Unfortunately, Bill, we can't ban someone for being a troll. But he has been warned and knows that if he continues with his rude posts, he will be given a time out! My advice is to put him on ignore and when people stop responding to him, he will get tired and go away.

[HatfieldFalconer]

WOW!! it looks like its about to come alive!:D

[PaulAce]

Very true.



beware of the countless fakes being produced in China and offered for sale through various other .

Best wishes,

Tony.