SHOT GAME HAWK!

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

I posted a note last week about how exited and how much I needed this hawking season. Day one was excellent resulting in one flight one kill! I even nearly caught a hare with my Golden.
Day two 2/9/05. My game hawk a Gyr/Peregrine is shot dead! Not an accident, no misinterpritation. Shot for not attacking, but scaring some chickens. If people want to know more I'll post more. The matter is in the hands of the police.
I'm devistated.

[Afshimo]

I'm really sorry to hear that K.

[Bengal Owl]

sorry to hear that let us know how it goes and all the best

[Shaun Byrne]

Post all the details mate. Incidents like this need to be publicised and the culprits named and shamed.

[Saker-Clive]

Lets hope they throw the book at the guy; if you are upto to letting us all know I'd like to hear, we may be able to give you some advice on what to say and do...............................................a part from that, stay focussed.

[Saker-Clive]

Arguements in your favour will be, Gyr/Pere is a true falcon, which takes airbourne game/quarry NOT ground based. Any solicitor or representative from possibly BASC or who ever you are insured with will point out 150%. This your honour concludes the case for the defence!!!!

Then they can go on to use the physiology of the bird and the way they take their quarry, they can explain how the tomial tooth is used etc...........

[Falconry Equipment International]

K , very sorry to hear your sad news. Do you know Mike Calvin? I know your mind is not on this at the mo but a french lawyer won considerable damages against a character on a shoot. If it haleps at a later stage , pm me. In the mean time , no point in more words, apart from those whom have lost a hawk in tragic cirumstances can truly understand.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Thanks firstly for all your support, it means alot especialy from falconers that I've never met. I will try to reply personally where I can.
Mutt was a fith season hybrid who despite not having the most amiable tempriments was a gifteed game hawk and extremely loyal too me. Memories of the last season are coming flooding back and are welcome.
The exact incidents of the second of september are as follows.
I had a good set up on a known covey that are approximately thirty strong. I put him up, and he whent of knowing exactly what was required. I gave him his time and he mounted to a reasonable 200ft. I commited to the flush as he turned toward me. Unfortunatly the covey rose as his flight turned him away from me and he missed their put in.
With that a field and a half away woodies were disturbed and he pursued. Approximately half an hour of radio tracking ensued, resulting in a fix at the other side of an unpassable stream. I crossed the stream by vehicle taking minutes, and acquired a fix on a previously mobile signal. Marking this down to a bungalow with out buildings, I circled the property. The owner approached me as I was appologizing for the interuption.
I was greeted with the words "Youre too late I've ******* shot it". At this I was handed Mutt still bleeding despite the heat in a carrier bag.
I've done the police. Ive talked too all the relivent people.
My game season is ruined, and I miss a very loyal falcon.
R.I.P. Mutt 2/9/05

[Sparrow Hawker]

Really sorry to hear about that K, I read an article a while back in the Countryman's Weekly and I think i'm right in saying shooting a bird of prey can result in a prison sentance, might also be worth contacting the Hawkboard and seeing what they suggest.

All The Best,

HH

[Tim Laycock]

Hats off to you K for not smashing his ***in brains in!
I would not of showed the same restraint and the fact that you have means that you can realy make him pay :twisted: The C**t!

[Moses]

im so sorry to hear that mate i hope the b@stard gets due punishment , how much does a chicken cost even if it was a tame bird who takes ground quarry, i cant believe this ,i hope he gets shot behind his knee caps himself as he shot your bird

[Moritz]

I am so sorry to hear that. I hope they punish this *******!!! I talked to someone a while ago about exactly this situation, he told me that the person won't be punished as the bird is captive breed and a hybrid. Something similar happened to him but their was nothing he could do. I will talk to him about it and pm you as he knows a lot about the laws involved.

Moritz

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

The law dictates that we have to register our birds because their protected species, we duly pay our fees. Then when it counts we get pead on. The laws are a joke. But I will hold it together and he will pay. For those of you in the know, my falcon was 100% brother to Mike Calvins. I aint bothered about cash. I just want to raise this important issue.

[Tim Laycock]

Imagine how someone would of been dealt with by the courts if they had shot any kind of raptor in the 80s

[Moses]

Imagine how someone would of been dealt with by the courts if they had shot any kind of raptor in the 80s

probably laughed

[Tim Laycock]

You think? :shock:
Not the case at all Moses, Not at all!

[Moses]

i thought they werent as strict those days and allowed farmers to do whatever they wanted

and over the yrs r getting more strict

no worries just something i thought they would do

cheers

[Tim Laycock]

They were more hardline about things like this in the 80s than they are now!

[Moses]

no worries mate , a man always learns something new :)

cheers

u have a nice night im aff to watch some vids :D

nite nite

[Talon]

realy sorry to hear what happend.to your falcon.
ive herd of simillar cases before. and dont wont to
say this but the w*nkers seem to get away with it.
if it was mine i would of tw*ted him there and then
i know thats not the right way to go about things.
but thats just me.so sorry m8 let the forum know how you get on.

[ColdZero]

if hes that much of a **** to shoot a falcon, hes bound to have killed a few other BOP in the past. So try and find the evidence?? (posions, snares etc) that'll trully **** him up, as i feel he will probably win an argument in court..... :(

[Bod]

If the police don't prosecute for the intentional killing of a wild BOP ask them about charging the git with criminal damage.

[Saker-Clive]

Now is the time to start contacting ALL the relevant people, RSPCA, RSPB, The Hawk Board, local falconry clubs, the papers and even the local television station; the more coverage the better.
As long as he cannot prove that YOUR bird had taken any of his livestock, he will be in the wrong but if he has proof that your bird was worrying or attacking his stock, then that is a different matter.
Be it BOP or not, if it is taking livestock or causing damage to the land or property, then the land owner has the legal right to dispatch whatever is causing the problem. I think that they must first try, scaring tactics before killing in most cases.

[ColdZero]

if it is taking livestock or causing damage to the land or property, then the land owner has the legal right to dispatch whatever is causing the problem

so a farmer can shoot a peregrine falcon for scaring chickens etc, but a gamekeeper can't? Or does it just include captive animals?

[Jastreb]

***cing ****, I don't know what would I do in that case, but he would probably need some hospitale help!
Sorry m8!
Jastreb

[Dave G]

sorry to hear about the loss of your falcon ,hope some thing gets to come out of this for your piece of mind if not go kill all his chickens , thinking of that his chickens never killed your bird go smash his head in or get a mate to do it but leave it a short while :lol: :wink: :x

[Saker-Clive]

if it is taking livestock or causing damage to the land or property, then the land owner has the legal right to dispatch whatever is causing the problem

so a farmer can shoot a peregrine falcon for scaring chickens etc, but a gamekeeper can't? Or does it just include captive animals?


What we need to do at the moment is keep an open mind on things :!: (hard I know) but in what way was the bird 'scaring' his chickens? If the bird had perched on a fence post and the chickens were going mental at the sight of it................then the farmer rightly or wrongly has to make a decision; that decision is does he stand by and watch this predator take his livelihood or does he intervien and stop it?
He could have quite easliy have fires the gun into the air, making the bird fly off....................................

Until we know exactly what happened it will always be 6 of one and half-a-dozen of the other :!: If K knows that the bird was shot out of malice or just for the sake of it then he will have a very good case; if the farmer (who will undoubtably know the law, will say that the bird was chasing and attacking his stock) then the law will unfortunately be on his side.

[Bod]

Do you not need a licence to take protected birds.
i.e herons and cormorants which may affect a persons livelyhood?

[Tim Laycock]

Yes, If its a BOP doing the worrying you need the same form from Defra that is required for a wild take for falconry of relocation purposes.

[Hawkmaster]

The last big case like this saw the owner getting paid about £25000 in compensation, but those circumstances were a bit different.

This chap has a law on his side which basically allows him to shoot the hawk, as it was threatening his living, or that will be his defence anyway!

Terribly sorry to hear of this incident and would not wish it on anyone.

Good Luck!
Paul

[Tim Laycock]

His living was hardly going to go down the pipe from the loss of one chicken though :?

The C**t!

[Falconry Equipment International]

His living was hardly going to go down the pipe from the loss of one chicken though :?

The C**t!
Nah mate theyre useful :oops: :lol: :lol: Call him Thrush , An Irritating....... C**t!:twisted: :lol:

[Talon]

im telling you all now the pr*ck.will get away with it.
and i bet the chicken that it supposed to of killed.
even if it didnt go any were near.one will be the rarest and most exspensive chicken in the world....

[Tim Laycock]

I dont care if it layed golden eggs! 1 chicken is no threat to the livliehood of any farmer!
I cant see how the ****** has a leg to stand on, I really cant!!!

[Loopy]

sorry to hear this, a horrid thing to happen :(

[Addi]

after speaking to karl on the phone the other night i understand he is completely gutted however as i have known karl for over 6 years now iknow that things will all be sorted given time ... ;)

[Skeld]

I am absolutely gutted for you! I hope the person responsible gets delt with appropriately!!!

[Hawkmaster]

the chicken that it supposed to of killed.
He, the farmer will not say it is one chicken and it was not even killed, but this will be their defence.

[Saker-Clive]

According to the very first post; the bird was shot for 'scaring' the chickens!!!!! NOT killing one.
A car driving past and sounding its horn could scare them but the farmer couldn't got out and shoot the driver. I think that for the farmer to get away with it; he is going to need a really good excuse, and not that it was looking at his chickens. Unless he has lost chickens to a raptor regularly over the recent days etc. he is going to need a highly substantial reason for killing the bird.
The bells could be what was scaring the chickens and not the falcon!!!!!....................................... .............

[ColdZero]

if you see a fox nearby you would shoot it, maybe thats how he was thinking? it would come back repeatedly so he took his chance. This is he will defend himself i reckon, but hes still a ****

[Mary Quite Contrary]

If the bird has bells on it the farmer should not have shot it.

The bird is classed as personal property as it has bells on it and being a raptor that also should give it protection. THERE ARE NO FENCES IN THE SKY.

there was a case of a wild fowler shooting a falcon recently in the country side alliance magazine and he had his licence revoked and a heavy fine.

My way ............eye for a eye.

Ignorance is not a excuse for the farmer.

[Sparrow Hawker]

I may be wrong on this but I don't think he can use the defence of saying the bird of prey worried his stock so he could therefore shoot it. Birds of prey are protected under legislation.

It's against the law to kill one what ever the case, unless I imagine a licence is issued from DEFRA.

HH

[Takajo]

But if the falcon was on his land, can he not kill it legally? :roll:

[Takajo]

As the bird has an owner, and was found on someone's land, I think Farmer ****wit may have an argument.

[Saker-Clive]

The problem at the moment is we do not know all the details!!! was the bird in the air? if so, unless it was stooping at the chickens there was no need to shoot it and it was then not classed as being on the farmers land; if it was sitting on a fence post it doesn't mean that it was going to attack the chickens.
If Karl says that the bird was a lure bird and only flown for pleasure, he would have an even stronger case. The bird was tired and sat for a while............................................. .

[Bash]

I don't think it matters what the details are. As far as I understand the law, it is illegal for anyone, including farmers or gamekeepers, to shot anything that is protected whether it is taking your stock or not.

The only way to do anything about it is to apply for a licence to remove it.

As far as I'm concerned, this guy is in big trouble. What ever the circumstances where, it was illegal for him to shot what is a protected species. I don't know how K controlled himself but I respect that he was man enough to walk away and let the full force of the law deal with it. This will all count for K's favour.

I agree with SS and get as many organisations and publicity as you can. Go and get this dickh***.

[Tim Laycock]

The only way to do anything about it is to apply for a licence to remove it.
This is what I said in a previous post Bash, I thought it was right :D

Don't get heated guys Whatever you do!!!, I have had a warning for expressing my sentiments in this thread :roll:
obviously, When you censor your swears its not good enough!

[Ninja-Jon]

Sorry to hear that news mate. But this is something i found whilst searching probably been mentioned anyway but i will post.



On the other hand, the larger raptors will occasionally catch small livestock and poultry. Easy prey, such as free-roaming chickens, are the most common farm quarry of these birds. Animals rarely suffer attacks when confined by proper fencing or by night-holding pens with roofs. Occasionally, however, the odd pest surfaces. When other control methods fail, farmers or ranchers may find it necessary to shoot a raptor. In such cases, landowners must file a report with the local Fish and Wildlife officer, and obtain a special permit.

[Tim Laycock]

:shock: Very interesting! Where did you dig it up NJ?

[OutFlying]

Its American.

[Moses]

why dont we all send him a letter and i can send him a head of a chicken to frighten him godfather style

[Bash]

The only way to do anything about it is to apply for a licence to remove it.
This is what I said in a previous post Bash, I thought it was right :D


I'm pretty sure we are right but I'm not an expert and I may be wrong but from my understanding of the law I'd be surprised if we were.

[Saker-Clive]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3514415.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4139662.stm

http://www.rspb.org.uk/policy/species/news/heat.asp

[Tim Laycock]

The form I got through for my last wild take also had the boxes for removing/destroying animals causing damage to persons of property.
I am sure we are right m8

[Talib]

The bird that was shot was a gyr/peregrine, and because it was not a bird that would be found naturally in a wild state within the UK, it is therefore offered no protection whatsoever under UK wildlife laws.

The ONLY offence the person who shot the falcon can be charged with is causing criminal damage to the falconer's property, and its doubtful whether the police/CPS will be very keen on taking this route... unless the farmer has similar previous form and the CPS is virtually certain of a conviction without having to do much work for it.

Only other route is a civil action against the farmer... and the result of that will depend on whether the plaintiff or the respondent has the better solicitor/barristers... its probably doubtful whether the money that would need to be laid out to be virtually certain of winning the case would be recoverable in damages/costs anyway.

Talib

[RabbitHawker]

Talib is right.
There is no wildlife case as the bird is CB and a hybrid, even a CB peregrine would have no protection under wildlife law.
The only recourse is civil action, there should be no doubt as to a good outcome, there is the right for landowners to shoot dogs worrying livestock, but not birds, you could also put the point how did he know wasn't a wild BOP.
All the best
Chris

[MickeyDredd]

By this reasoning them can I legally shoot a mongrel dog that keeps sh*tting outside my gate? :wink:

[Tim Laycock]

Does that mean I can hang the cats my dog kills from the fence around my grounds too :twisted:

[Saker-Clive]

By this reasoning them can I legally shoot a mongrel dog that keeps sh*tting outside my gate? :wink:

Providing you're shooting within the legal requirements of the boundries and highways distances, and the mong is worrying your livestock then .....yes 8)

Last year, a neighbour who doesn't live here anymore :wink: had an Alsation, nasty piece of work. It got out and was terrorising people in the street. It came into my front garden/drive, then under 2 gates and got into my back garden where the birds are housed. My HH was going mental, the dog was getting really mad, so I went and got my 12g and .243; I shouted to the owner that he had 30 seconds to get the dog before I took it out. He thought he'd call my bluff. I cocked the rifle and shot into a bag of sharp sand I had on the dirt. The dog yelped with fear, then laid down very quietly. The owner was calling me all the names under the sun then the boys in blue arrived.
I told them that the dog had been terrorising half the neighbourhood, had loads of backup from other neighbours, got my ears slightly chewed off (plod doing their bit to keep the peace) but as I was acting within the law, I also told them we regularly have young children on the property and I was not going to put anyones life at risk because of some junky t*at that can't control his dog. The police were cacking themselves when they saw the dog.

[MickeyDredd]

and the mong is worrying your livestock then .....yes 8)


Not quite, but fed up with the kids standing on the dogsh*t and bringing it into the house :evil:

by what the cops said to you then this would appear to back up the farmer's case in this thread topic, he would simply use the "worrying livestock" line.

[Saker-Clive]

To a degree yes but HOW was the bird worrying his chickens? The bird isn't likely to run around the pen chasing them like a dog would; we need to find out the exact way in which K's bird was worrying them to be able to come to a conclusion.

In my case, the dog came onto my property from the road side; got under 1 metal gate, down the length of the house, under another gate then over a 3 1/2' wall into the back garden. As I told them, that was to me 'intent to cause damage' and the dog would have if a kid or my birds were pegged out on the lawn. I made the coppers get the dog out as I said that I didn't want the creep on my land!! In the end we compromised and he stood at the pavement and called it out. It then ran about up the street for another ten minutes which proved to them that he was unfit to have the animal.

If you know whose dog it is, you could contact the council or even Environmental Health as the owner is legally bound to clear up after it!!

[Saker-Clive]

Back to the main situation in hand, I contacted the RSPB with the link to this thread over the weekend and this is their responce..................

Hello Clive,

An interesting situation although probably outside the remit of the RSPB
because the bird was a captive hybrid. Nevertheless, it makes the mind
boggle to think that a farmer thought he could get away with shooting
any raptor. I suspect the case may have to go through the civil courts
as a private prosecution because the only criminal law aspect of this
case is the cruelty question and this may be difficult to prove. Even
the protected species question is lost because the bird was a hybrid
although the Wildlife & Countryside Act 1981 is not easily applicable in
this case anyway. I hope the owner gets some measure of justice but if
it was me, I would not be talking publicly at this stage because it
could be argued that it is prejudicing any legal action.
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Comment:
Please take a look at the forum thread regarding a falconers plight
after a farmer wilfully shot his bird for scaring his chickens not
killing them but scaring them!!!! You may be able to advise........



http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=5762&postdays=0&postorder

[Saker-Clive]

I thought that RSPB means Royal Society for Protection of Birds. Shouldn't matter if it's captive or wild, hybrid or pure blood!!!!

[Moritz]

So only because the bird is captive breed it is less important then a wild born bird? So why register it. If it is not protected from the Farmer shooting it then why should it be registered? Even a pure peregrine would not be protected??? This stinks and I hope someone can do something about it. This law is not democratic at all!

Moritz

[Talib]

Saker-Sucker wrote:
I thought that RSPB means Royal Society for Protection of Birds. Shouldn't matter if it's captive or wild, hybrid or pure blood!!!!

Yes, but if the RSPB included the above definition then chickens would have to be included too...

Talib

PS ...and pheasants, partridge, grouse, etc.

[Skeld]

If this proceeds through civil action it will indeed be very costly!!! On average a solicitor will charge £150 +vat an hour and a barrister is £2000 plus per day. The outcome of the case is usually decided on which barrister performs the best, justice has very little to do with it!

[MickeyDredd]

To a degree yes but HOW was the bird worrying his chickens? The bird isn't likely to run around the pen chasing them like a dog would. I know but thats what he will claim, i'm sure a falcon anywhere near would have sent the chickens loco, and he could argue this would put them off laying or some such cr*p

If you know whose dog it is, you could contact the council or even Environmental Health as the owner is legally bound to clear up after it!!
There is a sign not 20 feet from my gate stating this!!!! It always seems to happen after dark, there is a 3-legged collie passes by late evening and if I see that its responsible it will only have two legs and the owner 1 nut!!

talib, nobody killed any chickens.

[Talib]

Blackbird wrote:
Does that mean I can hang the cats my dog kills from the fence around my grounds too

Only if they are feral. If the cat belongs to somebody then you can be held liable... even if the event takes place on your land. Cats, in effect, can go anywhere, just like a hawk.

Talib

[MickeyDredd]

Only if they are feral. If the cat belongs to somebody then you can be held liable... even if the event takes place on your land. Cats, in effect, can go anywhere, just like a hawk.

Talib

The hawk belonged to somebody so are you suggesting this renders the farmer liable also?

Mike

[Talib]

AndyUK wrote:
i wouldnt think so what if it had been a lesser spoted turd frog or somthing there would be hundreds of bloody tree hugin hippies crying and protesting

and you could bet somthing would be done then

Yup... they'd probably build an airport on the spot...

Talib

[Talib]

MickeyDredd wrote:
The hawk belonged to somebody so are you suggesting this renders the farmer liable also?

Any person who shoots a falconer's hawk is liable under civil law but probably not under criminal law. In other words he cannot be fined or sent to prison for the offence but can be made to pay damages.

A person who shoots a cat that belongs to someone can also be held liable by the cat owner and made to pay damages, whether it is trespassing, harassing or damaging livestock or not.

Cat owners and hawk owners have exactly the same rights regarding roaming and trespassing.

The ONLY domestic/captive bred animal that can be shot legally is the dog, and then only in the protection of farm livestock. This exception is included in the "The Animals Act 1971."

Talib

[MickeyDredd]

Right, so under civil law only.

If it is a wild hawk protected under schedule 1 for example they would be liable under criminal law and could be prosecuted.

[Bash]

That was an interesting response from the RSPB SS. Didn't think about the Hybrid side of things.

[Saker-Clive]

Under Civil Law, I think providing that the claim is less than £3000, it can be dealt with in the Small Claims Court, if over that amount then it gets more tricky; Barristers etc. and alot more money!!!

I got it wrong, its upto £5000 and it is held at the County Court............

http://www.compactlaw.co.uk/tiscali/smc.html

[RabbitHawker]

only if it's chasing the sheep in your garden.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

A quick update on whats happening.
P.M. results are in and the police are aware of these. Statements have been collected and the charge in question is criminal damage. Protection is not afforded to any trained raptor be it hybrid or not. I will keep the info coming, as forewarned is forearmed. If or when this happens again people need to know where they stand.
K.

[Achilles]

K

I was very sad to hear of your loss. I think that Talib has it about right and so have not posted before now. The task ahead is for the police to prove the offence of criminal damage and that will very much depend on the skill of the officer during the interview with the suspect (feel free to substitute any expletive for "suspect"). Even so, once that has been done it will be up to the CPS to decide if a prosecution will take place. Please let us all know the outcome - I'm sure that everyone are keeping their fingers crossed for a satisfactory result.

Rgds.

Mick.

[RabbitHawker]

the distinction between wild and cb falcons in the law is not as strange as the pigeon. The same species has several levels of protection. As the Rock pigeon it is offered full protection, as a feral pigeon it is offered no/little protection, as a racing pigeon it is offered the same protection as our cb falcons, but it is all the same species.
Some members of the hawk board have been aking why our birds whick we have paid to register are not offered tha same level of protection, you can't have your cake and eat it, DEFRA say they cannot differentiate between wild abd cb birds, to which they were asked about the pigeons, and about quail breeding, should we all register our quail, as there are offered full protection in the wild!!!

[Stewigan]

hi all, sorry to hear bout your loss k, right ive read all the posts and i dont know the legal side but wasnt there another case like this in the past 12-24 months where a gamekeaper or someone shot a falcon or hawk in the end it went to court and he had to pay for the cost of the bird and also the time you had put in training it and all over expenses. im sure i havent dreamt this perhaps someone else can confirm this

[Hawkmaster]

perhaps someone else can confirm this
Yes I mentioned this and he was paid out £25000

[Stewigan]

sorry paul got mixed up, didnt realise we were talkin bout the same incident

[HunterPaul]

new to this forum and have just spent the last god knows how long reading this thread... can any body fill me in on what has happened since.. I'm intrigued and devastated for the loss of the bird... I, like the majority of you guys out their, would be doing time by know for stamping his ****ing head into the gravel then wringing the kneck of every living thing that belongs to him... but I have to applaud you for keeping your head in a very provocative (understatement of the year) situation..

[Dave G]

the living things that belong to the culprit did not do anything to the hawk and wringing the kneck of these animals would make you just as bad as the person who killed the falcon

[HunterPaul]

absolutely would, and when he felt as helpless as that poor ******* who had to carry his hawk home in a carrier bag, then the next time he saw a hawk flying over his now empty farm yard he could look around with his one good eye, limp over to his gun, and remember that those two lumps in his throat were his ********.. and think twice that next time he might not be so lucky. cos I'd be having some proper maliscious nasty *******s visiting him on a regular basis... but as I said I can only applaud somebody who doesnt blow in that situation... anybody know whats happening with it now?

[Addi]

the bird has been for a pm showing that it was a perfectly healthy bird pre incident ... also shows signs of a being shot with a shot gun which contradicts the fact the guy stated he shot it with an air rifle .. indicating the possible lack of a firearms licence, the bird was also shot next to a public road, yet another offence to add to the list. It is now in the hands of the authorities and solicitors

[Kanati]

K. really sorry to hear this. Hope he gets what comming to him. Its a hard blow when you lose any hawk, but when its somthing that should not have happened and not an accident, then its twice as hard to accept. I feel for you mate.

[HunterPaul]

he hope they lock him up and he has to share a cell with big Leroy.... who makes him his forever favorite girlfriend... keep us informed

[BeebosMum]

he hope they lock him up and he has to share a cell with big Leroy.... who makes him his forever favorite girlfriend... keep us informed

Ditto......Ive just finished reading all the posts in this thread and think he showed an admirable amount of control - couldnt have managed that myself! Id have not been able to keep my hands (or my hubbys!) off the guy. Ok - I know it wouldnt have had any positive results other than making me feel better at the time. Wouldve been difficult to find somewhere to bury the body these days though.......(Im mean the farmer's - not my bird!)

Best of luck nailing this guy.

[Wilded]

I am afraid I would have shot back if someone shot my hawk. :(

[Jazz1]

Hi
I have just read the post and i'm lost for words apart of i'm sorry and hope you can get something done about it
All the best m8 Gary

[Tr1gger]

I've just read this thread and i hope that the stupid C*** gets exactly wat he needs. keep us posted.

Im really sorry to hear about this.

[Moritz]

Queastion: What are the leg charges that the farmer was taken to court?

Moritz