Vary Raptor-Head Sizes.

[TiercelR]

-Hi to every body forum-members and moderators:
-Please, someone have a TABLE which can been put here where are showed the Vary Raptor-Head Sizes For To Making Hood-Patterns?
-This head-sizes (in Centimeters and Inches) must been of the cross size between:
-Just behind the eyes of each raptor. From the more small raptor to the more big raptor. Both european raptors as american raptors.
-This table can be very informative and cultural for anyone.
-Thank you very much in advance.
-have very good falconry!

[TiercelR]

-Sure AndyUK!, if from time in time the falconers whos have any size put his quotes, it is very fine! (ja,ja), but I thanks to they in advance...

[Hawkmaster]

There are many different ones so which blocks do you have?

[TiercelR]

-Hi Hawkmaster:
-I only have the M & F sizes for: Bay-Winged Hawks & Cooper-Hawks. But with the key of the sizes of vary raptors, maybe can be easy to adjust the size of almost each pattern to any raptor species.
-Thank you for your reply.
-Have a good falconry!

[Hawkmaster]

So it is actual measurements you want not say a size X block will work for such and such a bird?

[Tim Laycock]

I hope this is what your after.

[Hawkmaster]

Cool what book is that from, looks like there are a few patterns too? :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

Dont want to say!
(He might turn up outside my house on a horse :lol: :mrgreen: )

[OutFlying]

Code name "Basil Brush"

[Tim Laycock]

Boom Boom!

[OutFlying]

:lol:

[Hawkmaster]

UK law allow 5% of a book anyway! :lol:

[Afshimo]

This is the one I have got and is pretty good.

Small Falcons/hawks
3.3: Male: Sharp-shinned Hawk
3.4: Male: American Kestrel
3.5: Male: Merlin
Female: American Kestrel
3.6: Female: Sharp-shinned Hawk
3.8: Female: Merlin
3.9: Female: Merlin
4.0: Female: Merlin
4.2: Male: Aplomado Falcon
4.3: Male: Cooper's Hawk
4.5: Male: Barbary Falcon, Peregrine x Merlin Hybrid, Gyr x Merlin Hybrid
4.6: Female Cooper's Hawk
4.7: Male: Red-naped Shaheen
4.8: Female: Gyr x Merlin Hybrid

......

[Afshimo]

Medium Falcons and hawks
4.9: Male: Spanish & Anatum Peregrine, Black Shaheen, Lanner Falcon
Female: Peregrine x Merlin
5.0: Male: Anatum Peregrine, Black Sparrowhawk
5.1: Male: Tundra & Anatum Peregrine, Western Goshawk, Peregrine x Prairie Hybrid
5.2: Male: European & Anatum Peregrine
Female: 5.2: Barbary Falcon, Red-naped & Black Shaheen
5.3: Male: European, Peales & Spanish Peregrines, Prairie Falcon & Peales x Prairie Hybrid, Eastern & Western Goshawk, Harris', Red-shouldered Hawk
Female: Barbary Falcon, Black & Red-naped Shaheen, Spanish Peregrine, Lanner Falcon
5.4: Male: Western Goshawk, Harris' Hawk, Peales Peregrine, Prairie Falcon, Peregrine x Saker Hybrid
Female: Black Sparrowhawk, Lanner Falcon
5.5: Male: Saker Falcon, European Goshawk, Gyr x Barbary Hybrid
Female: Anatum & Tundra Peregrine
5.6: Male: Saker Falcon, Gyr x Barbary Hybrid, Common Buzzard
Female: European & Anatum Peregrine, Western Goshawk, Peregrine x Prairie Hybrid, Harris', Red-Shouldered Hawk
5.7: Male: Gyr x Peregrine & Gyr x Lanner Hybrids
Female: Eastern Goshawk, Harris' Hawk, Peales Peregrine, Peregrine x Prairie Hybrid, Prairie Falcon
5.8: Male: Finnish Goshawk, (Gyr x Saker, x Lanner, x Prairie & x Peregrine Hybrids)
Female: Harris', Saker Falcon, Peales Peregrine, Peregrine x Saker & Peales x Prairie Hybrids

.....

[Afshimo]

Large falcon and hawks
5.9: Male: Gyr falcon, (Gyr x Peregrine, x Prairie, x Saker, & x Lanner Hybrids), 7/8 Gyr x 1/8 Peregrine, & Gyr x Saker Hybrid, Finnish Goshawk
Female: European Goshawk, European Buzzard, Saker, Peales x Prairie & Peregrine x Saker Hybrids
6.0: Male: Gyrfalcon, (Gyr x Peales, x Saker, & x Prairie Hybrids), Western Red-tail
Female: Gyr x Barbary Hybrid, Saker Falcon, Peales x Prairie Hybrid, Peregrine x Saker Hybrid
6.1: Male: Gyrfalcon
Female: Saker Falcon, Gyr x Peregrine Hybrid
6.2: Male: Eastern Red-tail
Female: Finnish Goshawk, Gyrfalcon, (Gyr x Prairie, x Peregrine, x Lanner, & x Saker Hybrids), 7/8 Gyr x 1/8 Peregrine
6.3: Female: Gyrfalcon, (Gyr x Peregrine & x Lanner Hybrids)
6.4: Female: Western Red-tail, Gyrfalcon
6.5: Female: Small Eastern Red-tail, Large Western Red-tail
6.6: Female: Eastern Red-tail


Also, If anyone has hood mesurements (like the above in mm) for other eagles eg bald, tawny, hybrids if possible. Just got sum more leather and thinknig of knocking up a couple for the fun of it.

[Hawkmaster]

Damn what does all that mean? None of it is in mm?

Does, 6.6: Female: Eastern Red-tail, mean a 66mm head size or hood size?

[Finnish]

Good chart there BB where did you get that from. :wink:

[TiercelR]

-That info is exactly I was searching.
Thank you very much for your great value info and comments to: hannah,hawkmaster, blackbird, outflying, finnish.
-Thank you for all !
-Have good falconry!

[TiercelR]

-Sure, also thanks to andyuk for his comments!

[Jackie]

ok i cant see a size for a female lanner x peregrine ? a friend has just bought one from the advert on this site and has asked matt to make up some hoods for her . any body know what size range they are ?
see ya

[Hawkmaster]

6.2: Male: Eastern Red-tail
Female: Finnish Goshawk, Gyrfalcon, (Gyr x Prairie, x Peregrine, x Lanner, & x Saker Hybrids), 7/8 Gyr x 1/8 Peregrine
6.3: Female: Gyrfalcon, (Gyr x Peregrine & x Lanner Hybrids)

[Jackie]

is that 6.2 cm behind the eye?

[Hawkmaster]

I think so? Not sure what that all meant anyway?

[Jackie]

it seems a bit big ????

[OutFlying]

those numbers are block sizes or hood sizes - not measurements from behind the eye.

Have a look at blackbirds figures at the beginning of the thread.

OF.

[Jackie]

ok big man i will.
thanx

[OutFlying]

no problem big girl :wink:

[Hawkmaster]

Ahhh, that would make more sense then! Cheers. :lol:

[Hawkmaster]

What are the sizes do Gyr/Prairies tiercels range in?

[GriffMJ]

Hi All

Tims "Headless" Horseman tables :lol: in page one of this thread dont reflect a "fleshed" birds head in my experience.....

The Redtail female size behind the eye will be between 58-60mm in reality for example.....

I made an American Kestrel hood (Male) for "Alf" according to those measurements in the tables and again .... in reality the hood was way too small at 25mm ....would have looked good on a Budgie...... but no good for what it was intended for.

Also, Accipiter does not measure in the same way as a falcon would...... so you have to make an allowance for the skull shape ........ by about 3-4mm

[Hawkmaster]

What are the sizes do Gyr/Prairies tiercels range in?
Any ideas on this one#?:D

[GriffMJ]

Any ideas on this one#?:D

Hi Paul

Well you have tried a 52mm and a 54mm hood .... you said the 52mm was to small .... and I have not heard anything about the 54mm :D So you tell me :lol: :lol:

[CanadaManada]

I\'ve got a MHH with 33mm behind the eye.

[GriffMJ]

I\'ve got a MHH with 33mm behind the eye.


That would be a Jack Merlin in size?

[TexasFalconer]

Hi All

Tims "Headless" Horseman tables :lol: in page one of this thread dont reflect a "fleshed" birds head in my experience.....

The Redtail female size behind the eye will be between 58-60mm in reality for example.....

I made an American Kestrel hood (Male) for "Alf" according to those measurements in the tables and again .... in reality the hood was way too small at 25mm ....would have looked good on a Budgie...... but no good for what it was intended for.

Also, Accipiter does not measure in the same way as a falcon would...... so you have to make an allowance for the skull shape ........ by about 3-4mm

Agreed- I was startled at the size listed for a f/RT myself- 46-51mm would be way too small. Still it's a good table- Griff would it be possible to factor in a standard + 10mm to the sizes listed for an accurate fit?

[GriffMJ]

Agreed- I was startled at the size listed for a f/RT myself- 46-51mm would be way too small. Still it's a good table- Griff would it be possible to factor in a standard + 10mm to the sizes listed for an accurate fit?


Hi TF

Its immposible to "guestimate" really .... I just know from hoodmaking.. the general differences. Make enough hoods and you start to get a feel for it..... Every species will have a different flesh and feather mass.... so I can only comment on the common raptors that I fit..... if it comes to sharpies and Coops, for example, it becomes a bit vague because of the variable size according to the East or Western sub species.

[CanadaManada]

That would be a Jack Merlin in size?

After we get back in from flying tomorrow, I\'ll try to get you a pic.