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Gary.B
17-09-2005, 05:19 PM
Hunts use birds of prey to beat ban Saturday September 17, 03:01 PM
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Falconry experts have expressed their anger that hunts are buying birds of prey in an attempt to the beat the Government ban on full-scale fox-hunting with hounds.

Up to 30 hunts are understood to have bought chiefly golden eagles and eagle owls in the belief that they are acting within the law.

Using dogs to hunt with a bird of prey is an exemption set out in the Hunting Act 2004.

Wanting to protect falconry as a sport, the Government did not restrict the number of dogs that can be used to flush wild mammals for a bird of prey.

Otherwise the law states only two dogs can be used to flush foxes to waiting guns, although a pack of dogs can lawfully follow a scent or drag trail.

Jim Chick, chairman of the Hawk Board, which organises falconry in Britain, said it completely disassociates itself from the unethical practice.

"This is bringing the sport into disrepute," he said. "Firstly there is a welfare issue. Many of the hunts are using people to handle the birds who have just been on a short course. You are not competent to handle a large bird of prey after a short course."

He added it was dangerous to have an eagle with a mounted hunt, as it could lead to a horse throwing a rider.

"A small number of hunts are behaving irresponsibly," he said. "We feel very let down. We supported them and walked the marches and raised funds for them and now this is a slap on the face."

The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) confirmed complaints had been made and calls to tighten the law. Anti-hunt campaigners believe that the issue can be settled quickly by a test case in the courts.




GDN
17-09-2005, 06:19 PM
I read about it on teletext this afternoon.

As Andy said more ammo for the tree huggers.

I always thought when the ban was going through and everybody rushed to support fox hunting would fox hunting do the same for us. I think they may now be answering that question.

Where did they get the eagles from. There are not that many people breeding them in this country.

Tim Laycock
17-09-2005, 06:22 PM
They are not actualy flying the bird, Its just there on static display to exploit the loophole in the law.
Now they have been screwed they are determined to drag us down with them!

The ******s :roll:

<btw>What constitutes a forum hero?

Tim Laycock
17-09-2005, 06:41 PM
Thanks for the rapid reply Andy.

Gary.B........A Hero indeed :D

MickeyDredd
17-09-2005, 06:57 PM
Where did they get the eagles from.

I know a guy who sold an experienced hunting, half-berkhut female goldie to a guy a few months back. The seller had around 30 enquiries for her and was very careful to weed out the tw*ts and eventually agreed to sell her to a guy who said he would hunt her and also had some kind of centre.

I just heard today that the guy sold her on at a good profit to a hunt for the purpose mentioned above.

It just shows that no matter how careful your vetting of people, as soon as you have sold the bird you have absolutely no control over what then happens to it :(

GriffMJ
17-09-2005, 07:16 PM
hmmmmmm.....told you so!!!! Last year there was a post on the forum saying that one of the forum members had been approached by their local hunt to take along their Hawk.

I and others said that it was a stupid idea considering the potential publicity damage that it would inflict on Falconry as a whole.... now look whats happened ...... the Anti Searchtlight is coming our way!!!!

I support fox hunting BUT not when Hunts start to bring Falconry into disrepute in this way!

Wightwings
17-09-2005, 08:42 PM
the hawk board are fully aware of this developing situation and activley trying to discourage the hunts from using BOP as a front.

As said this "loophole" was specfically put there by the Gov to ensure Falconry was not effected......

I would encourage anyone who is aware a hubt in your area has or is intending to do this informs the board as they are requesting...

as for me they have sh!t thier load and the support i have given them although still relevant with stop dead at protecting what we have......to think to just how mny falconers marched with AND for them.....

Hawkmaster
17-09-2005, 11:40 PM
I was also approched by the North Devon Hare Coursing Chaps and they were happ to provide me with 2 Female Finnish Gosses and a Polaris Off Road ATV.

I have not heard back, may have something to do with my sharp answer.

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