Which U.K club to join??

[FalconFred]

Hi All,

The Irish Hawking club is a bit of a joke, no field meets etc, and is all but dead. My friend(he 30odd years flying birds)., and my 12yr old son and I, would love to join a friendly U.K club, catering for short and longwing(pursuit) and possible not too far from Ferry to Ireland, i.e Wales, Liverpool/manchester surrounds and indeed west side of Scotland. The recession is kiling us all, so the half decent club closer to ferry may seem more fasible, from the point of view we will get over more. That said Yorkshire Hawking club were very welcoming and my best mate set up home in Hull.
Apart from the field meets, the social aspect seems very appealing..

Any info, thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreiated.
atvb

Gerard

[LeesHawks]

Hi All,

The Irish Hawking club is a bit of a joke, no field meets etc, and is all but dead. My friend(he 30odd years flying birds)., and my 12yr old son and I, would love to join a friendly U.K club, catering for short and longwing(pursuit) and possible not too far from Ferry to Ireland, i.e Wales, Liverpool/manchester surrounds and indeed west side of Scotland. The recession is kiling us all, so the half decent club closer to ferry may seem more fasible, from the point of view we will get over more. That said Yorkshire Hawking club were very welcoming and my best mate set up home in Hull.
Apart from the field meets, the social aspect seems very appealing..

Any info, thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreiated.
atvb

Gerard

i would think that the north wales region of the welsh hawking club is nearest the ferry fo, there is a good buch of lads that attend that region and they have regular field meets and stuff

lee

[FalconFred]

i would think that the north wales region of the welsh hawking club is nearest the ferry fo, there is a good buch of lads that attend that region and they have regular field meets and stuff

lee
Thanks Lee, any contact points for me member wise to get membership.

Atb,

Gerard

[Robam]

Hi,

Today, I have joined the Welsh Hawking Club:

http://www.thewelshhawkingclub.com/

and the British Falconers Club:

http://www.britishfalconersclub.co.uk/

Pending acceptance, they look to both offer good meets and social events.


Rob

[FalconFred]

Hi,

Today, I have joined the Welsh Hawking Club:

http://www.thewelshhawkingclub.com/

and the British Falconers Club:

http://www.britishfalconersclub.co.uk/

Pending acceptance, they look to both offer good meets and social events.


Rob

Thanks for that Rob, I will look into same.

atb

Gerard

[Keith Barker]

[QUOTE=FalconFred;1218375]Hi All,

The Irish Hawking club is a bit of a joke, no field meets etc, and is all but dead.

this statement is not true gerrard,
there has just been a two day meet in the north and another meet planned at innishboffin, another two dayer.
hardly all but dead, they have recently had a quite entertaining agm with a bumper attendance with guest speakers traveling from overseas to attend including furniture suppliers, a party attended the international falconry festival this year to represent their club and country united.
if you dont like the way the irish hawking club is being run or any other former members who have left the club i urge you to rejoin, change the way you want the organisation to be driven from within.
hunting in ireland is a delicate subject, falconry is even more delicate than most and probably the minority body within hunting over here, we need a voice, someone who will fight our case if push comes to shove.
will the british falconers club or the welsh hawking club stand up and fight for you toe to toe? i dont think so.
believe me field meets are not the be all and end all of a falconry club, with all the land we have to go at here are they really necessary?

keith

[FalconFred]

[quote=FalconFred;1218375]Hi All,

The Irish Hawking club is a bit of a joke, no field meets etc, and is all but dead.

this statement is not true gerrard,
there has just been a two day meet in the north and another meet planned at innishboffin, another two dayer.
hardly all but dead, they have recently had a quite entertaining agm with a bumper attendance with guest speakers traveling from overseas to attend including furniture suppliers, a party attended the international falconry festival this year to represent their club and country united.
if you dont like the way the irish hawking club is being run or any other former members who have left the club i urge you to rejoin, change the way you want the organisation to be driven from within.
hunting in ireland is a delicate subject, falconry is even more delicate than most and probably the minority body within hunting over here, we need a voice, someone who will fight our case if push comes to shove.
will the british falconers club or the welsh hawking club stand up and fight for you toe to toe? i dont think so.
believe me field meets are not the be all and end all of a falconry club, with all the land we have to go at here are they really necessary?

keith

Hi Keith,

Of coarse I would support the'home team', my experiences going back some years were not the most positive and indeed the avenues or address's I had bore no fruit when I tried to make contact. I would be more than happy to become involved in The Irish Hawking Club, perhaps you could point me in the right direction..

thankyou for 'filling me in'

Regards,

Gerard

[Keith Barker]

http://www.irishhawkingclub.ie/membership.html

here is the link,
keith

[Tony James]

[quote=Keith Barker;1239411]

Hi Keith,

Of coarse I would support the'home team', my experiences going back some years were not the most positive and indeed the avenues or address's I had bore no fruit when I tried to make contact. I would be more than happy to become involved in The Irish Hawking Club, perhaps you could point me in the right direction..

thankyou for 'filling me in'

Regards,

Gerard

Hi Gerard,

much as I believe it's worth joining any club with a supportable agenda, I agree with Keith that offering your full support to the IHC would be by far the best move for starters.
I know a number of members, and every one a star.

Best wishes,

Tony.

[Keith Barker]

[QUOTE=FalconFred;1218375]Hi All,

"The Irish Hawking club is a bit of a joke, no field meets etc, and is all but dead."

this statement is not true gerrard,
there has just been a two day meet in the north and another meet planned at innishboffin, another two dayer.
hardly all but dead, they have recently had a quite entertaining agm with a bumper attendance with guest speakers traveling from overseas to attend including furniture suppliers, a party attended the international falconry festival this year to represent their club and country united.
if you dont like the way the irish hawking club is being run or any other former members who have left the club i urge you to rejoin, change the way you want the organisation to be driven from within.
hunting in ireland is a delicate subject, falconry is even more delicate than most and probably the minority body within hunting over here, we need a voice, someone who will fight our case if push comes to shove.
will the british falconers club or the welsh hawking club stand up and fight for you toe to toe? i dont think so.
believe me field meets are not the be all and end all of a falconry club, with all the land we have to go at here are they really necessary?

keith

dates for diaries for irish hawking club members recently published in the newsletter are as follows,
raptor conservtion conference 10 nov burren bop centre co/clare with guest speakers dr Richard Cuthbert on the asian vulture crisis
Dr Mare Ruddock of queens university belfast discussing irish peregrine statistics
fieldmeet to follow in the pipeline the day after.

duck hawking meet county wexford. november/december
rabbit hawking meet mullingar, co westmeath nov/dec
goshawk meet co/wicklow dec/jan
goshawk meet co/wexford jan/feb

15 new membership requests since the last newsletter went to press.

there is also an informative ten point summary of a recently held meeting with the national parks and wildlife service with our representative eoghan ryan and hillary white on behalf of the irish hawking club.
which included, licensing, selection for wild take, timing for wild take, timing for cites article 10 certs, import and export, new licencing procedure, different standards for different falconers, the 2011 peregrine census.
and finally the shane kelly case.

a list of actions have been drawn up to adress the above points raised with the npws.
regards
keith

[FalconFred]

[quote=Keith Barker;1239411]

dates for diaries for irish hawking club members recently published in the newsletter are as follows,
raptor conservtion conference 10 nov burren bop centre co/clare with guest speakers dr Richard Cuthbert on the asian vulture crisis
Dr Mare Ruddock of queens university belfast discussing irish peregrine statistics
fieldmeet to follow in the pipeline the day after.

duck hawking meet county wexford. november/december
rabbit hawking meet mullingar, co westmeath nov/dec
goshawk meet co/wicklow dec/jan
goshawk meet co/wexford jan/feb

15 new membership requests since the last newsletter went to press.

there is also an informative ten point summary of a recently held meeting with the national parks and wildlife service with our representative eoghan ryan and hillary white on behalf of the irish hawking club.
which included, licensing, selection for wild take, timing for wild take, timing for cites article 10 certs, import and export, new licencing procedure, different standards for different falconers, the 2011 peregrine census.
and finally the shane kelly case.

a list of actions have been drawn up to adress the above points raised with the npws.
regards
keith


That all sounds good Keith and something I would like to be a part of. I forget that a few years have passed since I last was involved through Roland Eustace. It was 'Spar mania' back then, with more manning meets than hunting meets taking place, when they did actually take place. New blood in the ranks has obviously done wonders for the club.


atb

Gerard

[SmallPeregrine]

Personally I would join the BFC
So things are looking up, Woodhall Spa is on next year and if you could only attend on a spectator level its well worth the travel:idea:
For £42 you cant go wrong
All the best
Phil

[Keith Barker]

Personally I would join the BFC:roll:
So things are looking up, Woodhall Spa is on next year and if you could only attend on a spectator level its well worth the travel:idea:
For £42 you cant go wrong
All the best
Phil

phil is right to a certain degree, the bfc is a healthy option but we still need to be represented in our own country and the main falconry body at the moment is the ihc.
as an overseas member of the bfc ger would be automatically selected for any international field meets i believe and stands a good chance of being accommodated in the host hotel of the venue, however the expense it would cost including a fery return from ireland to the uk 250 euros, fuel for the vehicle 100 euros? hotel expenditure 50 euros per night? and cap for each day £25 -£35 he would be better off putting on a field meeting for his fellow falconers free of charge with the money and inviting himself along.
its just not economical if you are joining a uk club for fieldmeets alone.
keith

[FalconFred]

Both good valid points lads, I will join both clubs. The IHC sounds to be really good, with field meets all easily/cheaply accessable. In todays world financial constraints would only allow a couple of U.K fieldmeets at any rate. But for £40 odd quid I would like to be part of it also.

I will be certainly supporting the Irish side though..

cheers,

Ger

[Falco Ireland]

sorry keith,

but the i.h.c is a joke and has been for a number of years and i have seen it first hand ,cant under stand you sticking up for them ?,four years ago there was a young lad 14 yrs of age who had his harris hawk taken away from him by the n.pw.s as i am sure you are aware for having the wrong paper work , myself and martin brearton attended the court case and gave evidence ,the i.h.c where fully aware of the case and did nothing for the young lad they did not want to know,and they told me that my self . the n.a.r.g.c did more for him than the i.h.c .the judge threw the case out as he had not heard something so stupid in all his life .
i also had problems with n.p.w.s regarding A10s 1n 2007 taking up to 3 months to issue as you may be aware ,informed the i.h.c a few times they did not want to know ,i had four meetings with n.p.w.s in the last two years and it is down to me you and the rest of the country is getting there a10s in 14 days not the i.h.c ,
have i faith in the i.h.c ? no , the reason for this is they are holding a raptor seminar at a centre where the one of the owners is about to have a case brought against him for negligence and cruelty and flys peregrines taken from the wild in his display :rolleyes: they have been informed so we will see.and as for the last i.a.f delegate we had now that was very embarrassing for the i.h.c .
i will not be recommending them until they get there act together and it might change with eion at the helm ,much better off with the b.f.c/w.h.c or n.a.f.a
i know of more good falconers that are not in the i.h.c and live in Ireland and most are members of the b.f.c or w.h.c .
i hope you never need there support ,
regards Kenny



[quote=FalconFred;1218375]Hi All,

The Irish Hawking club is a bit of a joke, no field meets etc, and is all but dead.

this statement is not true gerrard,
there has just been a two day meet in the north and another meet planned at innishboffin, another two dayer.
hardly all but dead, they have recently had a quite entertaining agm with a bumper attendance with guest speakers traveling from overseas to attend including furniture suppliers, a party attended the international falconry festival this year to represent their club and country united.
if you dont like the way the irish hawking club is being run or any other former members who have left the club i urge you to rejoin, change the way you want the organisation to be driven from within.
hunting in ireland is a delicate subject, falconry is even more delicate than most and probably the minority body within hunting over here, we need a voice, someone who will fight our case if push comes to shove.
will the british falconers club or the welsh hawking club stand up and fight for you toe to toe? i dont think so.
believe me field meets are not the be all and end all of a falconry club, with all the land we have to go at here are they really necessary?

keith

[Falco Ireland]

Phil,
you are spot on there i think all i.h.c members should attend as spectators who are intristed in flying longwings or shortwings at game as it is prob the best meet on the UK calendar that i have attended,
Kenny



Personally I would join the BFC
So things are looking up, Woodhall Spa is on next year and if you could only attend on a spectator level its well worth the travel:idea:
For £42 you cant go wrong
All the best
Phil

[Malcolm Edgar]

sorry keith,

but the i.h.c is a joke and has been for a number of years and i have seen it first hand ,cant under stand you sticking up for them ?,four years ago there was a young lad 14 yrs of age who had his harris hawk taken away from him by the n.pw.s as i am sure you are aware for having the wrong paper work , myself and martin brearton attended the court case and gave evidence ,the i.h.c where fully aware of the case and did nothing for the young lad they did not want to know,and they told me that my self . the n.a.r.g.c did more for him than the i.h.c .the judge threw the case out as he had not heard something so stupid in all his life .
i also had problems with n.p.w.s regarding A10s 1n 2007 taking up to 3 months to issue as you may be aware ,informed the i.h.c a few times they did not want to know ,i had four meetings with n.p.w.s in the last two years and it is down to me you and the rest of the country is getting there a10s in 14 days not the i.h.c ,
have i faith in the i.h.c ? no , the reason for this is they are holding a raptor seminar at a centre where the one of the owners is about to have a case brought against him for cruelty/neglect and flys peregrines taken from the wild in his display :rolleyes: they have been informed so we will see.and as for the last i.a.f delegate we had now that was very embarrassing for the i.h.c .
i will not be recommending them until they get there act together and it might change with eion at the helm ,much better off with the b.f.c/w.h.c or n.a.f.a
i know of more good falconers that are not in the i.h.c and live in Ireland and most are members of the b.f.c or w.h.c .
i hope you never need there support ,
regards Kenny



[quote=Keith Barker;1239411]

Hi Kenny
Not being funny (in the Irish sense of the word) but if you could get a chance to read the current IHC newsletter you just might be persuaded to change your current unfortunately negative view of the club. In particular I would recommend the report on a formal meeting between Eoghan and Hilary and reps from the NPWS which covered, believe it or not, the two points of concern you raised.
The current Committee are, I believe, doing their 'damndest' to move the club forward at pace and cater for the needs and aspirations of the members be they auld hands or newbies. A bit of support from someone of your standing wouldn't go amiss.
Just my tuppence worth.
Cheers
Malcolm

[Keith Barker]

sorry keith,

but the i.h.c is a joke and has been for a number of years and i have seen it first hand ,cant under stand you sticking up for them ?,four years ago there was a young lad 14 yrs of age who had his harris hawk taken away from him by the n.pw.s as i am sure you are aware for having the wrong paper work , myself and martin brearton attended the court case and gave evidence ,the i.h.c where fully aware of the case and did nothing for the young lad they did not want to know,and they told me that my self . the n.a.r.g.c did more for him than the i.h.c .the judge threw the case out as he had not heard something so stupid in all his life .
i also had problems with n.p.w.s regarding A10s 1n 2007 taking up to 3 months to issue as you may be aware ,informed the i.h.c a few times they did not want to know ,i had four meetings with n.p.w.s in the last two years and it is down to me you and the rest of the country is getting there a10s in 14 days not the i.h.c ,
have i faith in the i.h.c ? no , the reason for this is they are holding a raptor seminar at a centre where the one of the owners is about to have a case brought against him for negligence and cruelty and flys peregrines taken from the wild in his display :rolleyes: they have been informed so we will see.and as for the last i.a.f delegate we had now that was very embarrassing for the i.h.c .
i will not be recommending them until they get there act together and it might change with eion at the helm ,much better off with the b.f.c/w.h.c or n.a.f.a
i know of more good falconers that are not in the i.h.c and live in Ireland and most are members of the b.f.c or w.h.c .
i hope you never need there support ,
regards Kenny



[quote=Keith Barker;1239411]

hello ken,
you have asked why i support the ihc and i have already answered in an earlier post, the ihc is the only hawking club as far as im aware in ireland, as i am a resident i feel it is only right to support that club.
you mention delegates embarrasing their national clubs, we have heared of two instances in the recent weeks of members falling foul and causing great embarrassment to their sport and club as a whole, one was mentioned briefly in this thread but it was swiftly edited, we are only human and all make mistakes along the way, the kelly case is being appealed in the high court by the npws and the ihc are doing their best to get that stopped.
i replied to ger who made a remark that the ihc was all but dead clearly its not, its active and on the up.
keith

[Falco Ireland]

hello Malcolm,
i am sure Hillary is doing a great job with the newsletters as he is the best editor the i.h.c has ever had and i seen some of his work and it is very good ,eion is a good friend of mine and is the best man for the job at the moment ,the week before eion and Hillary had the meeting eion called around to my house to go through points for the meeting with the n.p.w.s and took some notes .
the points i out lined to eion that i had brought up with n.pw.s are as follows

1,A10s time it takes to issue them

2,shane kelly

3,peregrine count ,and the harvest of peregrines as we are aloud 5 takes a year which is 2 per cent of the peregrine population based on the the census in 1981 which was 256 ,as we know there is up to 800 pairs in the south of the country now ,so we should be getting 16 licence takes a year ,the 2001 census was never published we need to ask why?and also some of the wild take draw matters.

4,rangers banging on your door in april and wanting to check your birds ring numbers ?.

eion could not get a meeting with kieran o'keefe for six months i rang up and got a meeting in 4 days? i gave him his number and he got a meeting in the same time.

a.t.b kenny


[quote=Falco Ireland;1251395]sorry keith,

but the i.h.c is a joke and has been for a number of years and i have seen it first hand ,cant under stand you sticking up for them ?,four years ago there was a young lad 14 yrs of age who had his harris hawk taken away from him by the n.pw.s as i am sure you are aware for having the wrong paper work , myself and martin brearton attended the court case and gave evidence ,the i.h.c where fully aware of the case and did nothing for the young lad they did not want to know,and they told me that my self . the n.a.r.g.c did more for him than the i.h.c .the judge threw the case out as he had not heard something so stupid in all his life .
i also had problems with n.p.w.s regarding A10s 1n 2007 taking up to 3 months to issue as you may be aware ,informed the i.h.c a few times they did not want to know ,i had four meetings with n.p.w.s in the last two years and it is down to me you and the rest of the country is getting there a10s in 14 days not the i.h.c ,
have i faith in the i.h.c ? no , the reason for this is they are holding a raptor seminar at a centre where the one of the owners is about to have a case brought against him for cruelty/neglect and flys peregrines taken from the wild in his display :rolleyes: they have been informed so we will see.and as for the last i.a.f delegate we had now that was very embarrassing for the i.h.c .
i will not be recommending them until they get there act together and it might change with eion at the helm ,much better off with the b.f.c/w.h.c or n.a.f.a
i know of more good falconers that are not in the i.h.c and live in Ireland and most are members of the b.f.c or w.h.c .
i hope you never need there support ,
regards Kenny





Hi Kenny
Not being funny (in the Irish sense of the word) but if you could get a chance to read the current IHC newsletter you just might be persuaded to change your current unfortunately negative view of the club. In particular I would recommend the report on a formal meeting between Eoghan and Hilary and reps from the NPWS which covered, believe it or not, the two points of concern you raised.
The current Committee are, I believe, doing their 'damndest' to move the club forward at pace and cater for the needs and aspirations of the members be they auld hands or newbies. A bit of support from someone of your standing wouldn't go amiss.
Just my tuppence worth.
Cheers
Malcolm

[Falco Ireland]

hello Keith ,i hope you are right and the club is on the up but from where i am standing its the same and a lot of members are telling me the same,i hope the list of field meets come off for the club,
do you know how many members the i.h.c lost over the Shane Kelly case ,if he had lost that case they would have said told you so and they all kept there distance , but when he won he was a great fella and they all wanted to know him ,as for n.p.w.s appealing to the high court i would like to know what the i.h.c have done because according to Shane its not much at all.

i missed the name that was edited pm it to me

regards Kenny



[quote=Falco Ireland;1251395]sorry keith,

but the i.h.c is a joke and has been for a number of years and i have seen it first hand ,cant under stand you sticking up for them ?,four years ago there was a young lad 14 yrs of age who had his harris hawk taken away from him by the n.pw.s as i am sure you are aware for having the wrong paper work , myself and martin brearton attended the court case and gave evidence ,the i.h.c where fully aware of the case and did nothing for the young lad they did not want to know,and they told me that my self . the n.a.r.g.c did more for him than the i.h.c .the judge threw the case out as he had not heard something so stupid in all his life .
i also had problems with n.p.w.s regarding A10s 1n 2007 taking up to 3 months to issue as you may be aware ,informed the i.h.c a few times they did not want to know ,i had four meetings with n.p.w.s in the last two years and it is down to me you and the rest of the country is getting there a10s in 14 days not the i.h.c ,
have i faith in the i.h.c ? no , the reason for this is they are holding a raptor seminar at a centre where the one of the owners is about to have a case brought against him for negligence and cruelty and flys peregrines taken from the wild in his display :rolleyes: they have been informed so we will see.and as for the last i.a.f delegate we had now that was very embarrassing for the i.h.c .
i will not be recommending them until they get there act together and it might change with eion at the helm ,much better off with the b.f.c/w.h.c or n.a.f.a
i know of more good falconers that are not in the i.h.c and live in Ireland and most are members of the b.f.c or w.h.c .
i hope you never need there support ,
regards Kenny





hello ken,
you have asked why i support the ihc and i have already answered in an earlier post, the ihc is the only hawking club as far as im aware in ireland, as i am a resident i feel it is only right to support that club.
you mention delegates embarrasing their national clubs, we have heared of two instances in the recent weeks of members falling foul and causing great embarrassment to their sport and club as a whole, one was mentioned briefly in this thread but it was swiftly edited, we are only human and all make mistakes along the way, the kelly case is being appealed in the high court by the npws and the ihc are doing their best to get that stopped.
i replied to ger who made a remark that the ihc was all but dead clearly its not, its active and on the up.
keith

[RobCole66]

I was a member of the IFC for a few years and a finer bunch of lads i have never met, we used to meet up at the falconers fair ( when it was worth going ?) the welsh and irish and what a wonderfull time we would have, the hospitality of both clubs is second to none and i was always invited to ireland for some hunting . I personally would stick with the IFC because without your input and otheres like you and the club , you will have no representation ,if you are not happy put yourself forward and stand & be counted ?

rob cole.........

hello Malcolm,
i am sure Hillary is doing a great job with the newsletters as he is the best editor the i.h.c has ever had and i seen some of his work and it is very good ,eion is a good friend of mine and is the best man for the job at the moment ,the week before eion and Hillary had the meeting eion called around to my house to go through points for the meeting with the n.p.w.s and took some notes .
the points i out lined to eion that i had brought up with n.pw.s are as follows

1,A10s time it takes to issue them

2,shane kelly

3,peregrine count ,and the harvest of peregrines as we are aloud 5 takes a year which is 2 per cent of the peregrine population based on the the census in 1981 which was 256 ,as we know there is up to 800 pairs in the south of the country now ,so we should be getting 16 licence takes a year ,the 2001 census was never published we need to ask why?and also some of the wild take draw matters.

4,rangers banging on your door in april and wanting to check your birds ring numbers ?.

eion could not get a meeting with kieran o'keefe for six months i rang up and got a meeting in 4 days? i gave him his number and he got a meeting in the same time.

a.t.b kenny


[quote=Malcolm Edgar;1251444]

[It's Alright Ma]

[quote=Falco Ireland;1251395] as i am a resident i feel it is only right to support that club.


Why's that tho' Keith/Ken, residency equals support? The BNP adopts that atitude, on a different angle, unfair play all the time, no link intended, but I'm sure you know where you're coming from. The club man often has a club foot, or eventually he will acquire one, to accompany his glass eye.

Johny

[Pertie]

[quote=Keith Barker;1251488]

Why's that tho' Keith/Ken, residency equals support? The BNP adopts that atitude, on a different angle, unfair play all the time, no link intended, but I'm sure you know where you're coming from. The club man often has a club foot, or eventually he will acquire one, to accompany his glass eye.

Johny
Usually one ignores postings from those suffering from an obvious sense of inadequacy, or who are incapable of mastering the fundamentals of the English language to write a coherent sentence or two. Despite the incoherency of what you wrote, the meaning is clear and it is offensive in the extreme and is I believe, designed to provoke controversy and ill feeling. As an Irishman I welcome Keith Barker here, he (unlike you) is a man of integrity. He is very welcome in this country and if he feels constrained to be a member of the I.H.C., that is his prerogative. In fact one would reasonably expect him as a resident to take an active role in falconry and other activities which interest him here. Your posting is absolutely scurrilous and a sad reflection on the type that practice falconry today. You sir, have betrayed both yourself and our sport.

[Keith Barker]

[quote=Johny;1251622]
Usually one ignores postings from those suffering from an obvious sense of inadequacy, or who are incapable of mastering the fundamentals of the English language to write a coherent sentence or two. Despite the incoherency of what you wrote, the meaning is clear and it is offensive in the extreme and is I believe, designed to provoke controversy and ill feeling. As an Irishman I welcome Keith Barker here, he (unlike you) is a man of integrity. He is very welcome in this country and if he feels constrained to be a member of the I.H.C., that is his prerogative. In fact one would reasonably expect him as a resident to take an active role in falconry and other activities which interest him here. Your posting is absolutely scurrilous and a sad reflection on the type that practice falconry today. You sir, have betrayed both yourself and our sport.

thanks pertie,
i read johnnys post, looked at the time it was posted and gave him the benefit of the doubt and decided it was not worth a tap on the keypad.
keith

[Tony James]

phil is right to a certain degree, the bfc is a healthy option but we still need to be represented in our own country and the main falconry body at the moment is the ihc.
as an overseas member of the bfc ger would be automatically selected for any international field meets i believe and stands a good chance of being accommodated in the host hotel of the venue, however the expense it would cost including a fery return from ireland to the uk 250 euros, fuel for the vehicle 100 euros? hotel expenditure 50 euros per night? and cap for each day £25 -£35 he would be better off putting on a field meeting for his fellow falconers free of charge with the money and inviting himself along.
its just not economical if you are joining a uk club for fieldmeets alone.
keith

Hi Keith,

you are right in that overseas members are given priority when offering places at the Woodhall Spa International Meeting, and even though a great deal is negotiated by the club, it is still a significant expense to attend.
Any club, the BFC included, will attract both supporters and detractors, and any club will go through highs and lows according largely to the level of support it receives from it's members and the level of enthusiasm of those at the helm. My advice would always be to support those prepared to do the work, or, to anyone unhappy with the way things are, seek support and stand for election --- the only way to make things change for the better is to get involved and be positive.
You're also right to have suggested the BFC is not in a position to offer front line protection for falconers in Ireland, and even with the expertise of the IAF on which to call, it ultimately falls on Irish falconers to keep watch on Irish affairs, and for the IHC to represent them to the best of their ability.
As an outsider, it appears to me as though the IHC has a good team at the helm, and with the support of Irish falconers it can only continue to improve.

Best wishes,

Tony. (and of course the BFC is worth joining too:lol:)

[It's Alright Ma]

[quote=Johny;1251622]
Usually one ignores postings from those suffering from an obvious sense of inadequacy, or who are incapable of mastering the fundamentals of the English language to write a coherent sentence or two. Despite the incoherency of what you wrote, the meaning is clear and it is offensive in the extreme and is I believe, designed to provoke controversy and ill feeling. As an Irishman I welcome Keith Barker here, he (unlike you) is a man of integrity. He is very welcome in this country and if he feels constrained to be a member of the I.H.C., that is his prerogative. In fact one would reasonably expect him as a resident to take an active role in falconry and other activities which interest him here. Your posting is absolutely scurrilous and a sad reflection on the type that practice falconry today. You sir, have betrayed both yourself and our sport.

Nay sir, it appears that it is you that has a sense of inadequacy. Incoherence, you might be aware, suggests lack of clarity, then your admission that all was clear in my post. The offence that you have taken with my post serves only to highlight a point that was, ironically, delivered in a most light hearted fashion; There appears to be a prevalence of constipated eejits, purporting self acclaim and responsible attitudes from their high horse.

I won't make judgement on who you are, your integrity or otherwise, although I tentatively suggest that your cognitive abilities are questionable, to say the least. As for betraying 'our' sport; Well I'm glad it's yours, I appear not to be invloved in the same activity, and for that I'm thankful. If your outpourings are in any way reflective of a type, I most willingly dissociate myself.

[FalconFred]

[quote=Keith Barker;1251488]

Why's that tho' Keith/Ken, residency equals support? The BNP adopts that atitude, on a different angle, unfair play all the time, no link intended, but I'm sure you know where you're coming from. The club man often has a club foot, or eventually he will acquire one, to accompany his glass eye.

Johny


?? gone over my head, any elaboration??

atb,

Ger

[Pertie]

[quote=Johny;1251622]


?? gone over my head, any elaboration??

atb,

Ger

Perhaps "in vino veritas" would be the kindest assumption or that he was given a dictionary for Christmas and is determined to show the doner it is being used.

[It's Alright Ma]

[quote=Johny;1251622]


?? gone over my head, any elaboration??

atb,

Ger

A small joke Ger, that has been mistaken and clambered upon with zeal, followed by a bandwagon of presumption and insult. My reply to Pertie should have read more concisely; if you don't get it, it's not addressed to you. Far wiser to respond in the fashion you have shown then, I must add, than to consider our interpretations of word in this medium as indicative of characteristic.

All the best

Johny

[Ross Ricks]

ok lads chill out and could we get back on topic?.i think the IHC needs support of old and new members and the committee are trying there hardest to reboot the club,i for one will be trying to help out with getting some newbies out for a days hawking ect and just lets them see what its all about,i know how hard it was to get started in falconry here in ireland,so im willing to do my little bit
atb ross

[Pertie]

ok lads chill out and could we get back on topic?.i think the IHC needs support of old and new members and the committee are trying there hardest to reboot the club,i for one will be trying to help out with getting some newbies out for a days hawking ect and just lets them see what its all about,i know how hard it was to get started in falconry here in ireland,so im willing to do my little bit
atb ross

What you say is commendable. But as this is an international forum may I with respect suggest you would attract greater credibility by not having as your signature, part of a ballad which some might regard as offensive because of it's political connotations. Why can't beginners be referred to as such instead of the rather patronising "newbies". Just thoughts but let me make it clear that I personally am not objecting to your signature. I wish you well in your endeavours on behalf of the I.H.C. and good hunting.

[Ross Ricks]

What you say is commendable. But as this is an international forum may I with respect suggest you would attract greater credibility by not having as your signature, part of a ballad which some might regard as offensive because of it's political connotations. Why can't beginners be referred to as such instead of the rather patronising "newbies". Just thoughts but let me make it clear that I personally am not objecting to your signature. I wish you well in your endeavours on behalf of the I.H.C. and good hunting.
as an answer to your post i dont want to attract anything from nobody,a ballad my signature may be and if offence you take from it tough **** thats ur problem,ive no problem with anyone or anything im only an ordinary joe soap who has a passion for hunting be it with dogs or birds,,,,,,,,
on a different note ur living in ireland (MATE) and i bet these songs are being sung at ur local pub every weekend,,hope you dont take to much offence:yawinkle:
and on the conclusion ive seen many and englishman singing along and doing an irish reel to the same song pertie:lol:
atb ross
by the way nice sig urself hahahaha

[Pertie]

as an answer to your post i dont want to attract anything from nobody,a ballad my signature may be and if offence you take from it tough **** thats ur problem,ive no problem with anyone or anything im only an ordinary joe soap who has a passion for hunting be it with dogs or birds,,,,,,,,
on a different note ur living in ireland (MATE) and i bet these songs are being sung at ur local pub every weekend,,hope you dont take to much offence:yawinkle:
and on the conclusion ive seen many and englishman singing along and doing an irish reel to the same song pertie:lol:
atb ross
by the way nice sig urself hahahaha
What an incredibly abusive reply to what is a reasonable, polite and constructive post. Perhaps since you identify yourself closely with the Irish Hawking Club, you should have reflected on the inevitable impact your unwarrented outburst will have on anyone considering joining the IHC and on the club itself. By your own admission this club is endeavoring to re-establish itself but your abusive and illiterate rant will negate much of what they have or are hoping to achieve. I have often read your diary on the training of your goshawk and enjoyed doing so, but one cannot fail to be struck by the fact that the writing is readable and in stark contrast to the above. So did you believe that by being abusive and illiterate you somehow added emphasis to whatever you wanted to say? In the event of their being a repetition of your outburst I suggest you first consider the likely negative effect on others.

[Hardcore Hawker]

What an incredibly abusive reply to what is a reasonable, polite and constructive post. Perhaps since you identify yourself closely with the Irish Hawking Club, you should have reflected on the inevitable impact your unwarrented outburst will have on anyone considering joining the IHC and on the club itself. By your own admission this club is endeavoring to re-establish itself but your abusive and illiterate rant will negate much of what they have or are hoping to achieve. I have often read your diary on the training of your goshawk and enjoyed doing so, but one cannot fail to be struck by the fact that the writing is readable and in stark contrast to the above. So did you believe that by being abusive and illiterate you somehow added emphasis to whatever you wanted to say? In the event of their being a repetition of your outburst I suggest you first consider the likely negative effect on others.


I thought this thread was about Which club to Join! not the consistency of the Queens English!! how do these threads go off at such a Tangent??

[Ross Ricks]

What an incredibly abusive reply to what is a reasonable, polite and constructive post. Perhaps since you identify yourself closely with the Irish Hawking Club, you should have reflected on the inevitable impact your unwarrented outburst will have on anyone considering joining the IHC and on the club itself. By your own admission this club is endeavoring to re-establish itself but your abusive and illiterate rant will negate much of what they have or are hoping to achieve. I have often read your diary on the training of your goshawk and enjoyed doing so, but one cannot fail to be struck by the fact that the writing is readable and in stark contrast to the above. So did you believe that by being abusive and illiterate you somehow added emphasis to whatever you wanted to say? In the event of their being a repetition of your outburst I suggest you first consider the likely negative effect on others.

id rather not get into an argument with someone who just comes on here to boast about how good he understands the english language and try to bring others down,if you think for one minute id take notice of the **** you posted then think again,
and thank god you never did bother to post on my diary as i wouldnt want to be ranting on there aswell being wat you call abusive:lol:
maybe you should join the IHC pertie and put some of your so called talents to good use
atb ross

[It's Alright Ma]

In the event of their being a repetition of your outburst I suggest you first consider the likely negative effect on others.

Lord luv a duck, there be no biscuits left in the tin with you around Pertie. I suggest you take heed of your own quotation above then, as you appear to be completely unaware of your own effect on others and are likely to invite hostility, in response to the offence you cause, with each uneventful turn you take.

Ross does not need me to defend him, so I am not doing so, but to be clear; he attempted to put this thread back on track in a light hearted manner, after you had derailed it in response to a misinterpreted, and, I accept, confusing, light hearted joke of mine. After briefly acknowledging Ross's intent, you proceeded to attack his signature, in an unreasonable and arrogant manner, and without apparent forethought. His response was, I believe, maturely delivered and devoid of the apparent conflict that you seem to seek with people who don't share your views, or whom reveal your obvious inability to interpret langauge in a flexible manner. Ross is demonstrating some of the finest falconry around on this forum. I know not what falconry you're involved in, but you appear to be somewhat inappropriately preoccupied with other matters not relating to the general focus of the forum.

[FalconFred]

I thought this thread was about Which club to Join! not the consistency of the Queens English!! how do these threads go off at such a Tangent??
Beginning to regret asking now lol!!

atb

Gerard

[Ross Ricks]

Beginning to regret asking now lol!!

atb

Gerard
pmsl ger always you aint it haha:yawinkle:

[FalconFred]

pmsl ger always you aint it haha:yawinkle:


My little bitch caught a young rook today, mugged more I'd say..could have composed an exciting tale of a long twisting and turning flight to out fly anything God ever created...but alas it compared more to a harris taking a corvid flight.. But anyhoo she's entered and Im happy for that. We will meet up soon, maybe Dave(Freeflyer will go to, if he has forgotten the telem. sale incident:yawinkle:lol)

Still no name for her yet, and i have a distant related male to her coming along nicely on the creace.. I'll talk soon mate, take care Ger

[K.Massey]

This week I joined the Uk Falconry Club (http://www.ukfalconryclub.com)
A new club with interesting prospects

[Sean White]

This week I joined the Uk Falconry Club (http://www.ukfalconryclub.com)
A new club with interesting prospects

Have you paid the Tenner Kev ? and if so what do you get for your money ?

[K.Massey]

Have you paid the Tenner Kev ? and if so what do you get for your money ?

Yes and at the moment it gives you membership of the club and access to the site, It is going to take a year of running before it can be hawk board affiliated,The forum they have appeals to me because members can log in under user names but because only club members can access it they are accountable for there own actions and content because subscription details make them real people (if you catch my drift) I also understand there will be a members nominated committee just the same as any other club....lots of other ideas are floating about including field meets ...public liability insurance etc (don't know weather they can do it all for £10 subs mind you) I have spoken to one of the founder members and they are open to suggestions to be discussed and voted on like any other club:idea:

[Jiff]

how manny clubs have you joined now kev? :lol:

[K.Massey]

how manny clubs have you joined now kev? :lol:

2:supz:

[LeesHawks]

everyone is welcome to come along the charge is for limiting the multiple users and to make people accountable for there actions, there is alot planned and alot going on, many goals to achieve, but the aim is a 24/7 fully operational club, with all the benefits of all the other clubs and then some.

[Ross Ricks]

are the irish welcome?

[Stu Bailey]

are the irish welcome?

ffs Ross :lol:

[Ross Ricks]

pmsfl:lol::yawinkle:

[LeesHawks]

are the irish welcome?

off course ross, :roll:

[FalconFred]

This week I joined the Uk Falconry Club (http://www.ukfalconryclub.com)
A new club with interesting prospects

Thanks Kev, I'll give it a bash. I gave your name as a Referral to the site(if ok wih your good self)..
I'll see what happens, cheers mate.

atb,
Gerard

[FalconFred]

everyone is welcome to come along the charge is for limiting the multiple users and to make people accountable for there actions, there is alot planned and alot going on, many goals to achieve, but the aim is a 24/7 fully operational club, with all the benefits of all the other clubs and then some.


Sounds Good Lee, for those into their longwings(into, never said overlly successful lol) will there be longwing sections??..
Field meets and social gatherings lol??

atb with it, it has my support in any case mate.
regards,

Ger

[LeesHawks]

Sounds Good Lee, for those into their longwings(into, never said overlly successful lol) will there be longwing sections??..
Field meets and social gatherings lol??

atb with it, it has my support in any case mate.
regards,

Ger

thats is the plan ger, you can start filling the sections now mate!

lee

[K.Massey]

Thanks Kev, I'll give it a bash. I gave your name as a Referral to the site(if ok wih your good self)..
I'll see what happens, cheers mate.

atb,
Gerard


Dont blame me:lol:...fill ya boots man:supz: