Ornate Hawk Eeagle

[Osiris]

Anyone fly a Ornate Hawk-eagle?

If so...

What are they like to fly? What's their temperment etc. like?

Really interested in these at the min too!! :D

Cheers,
Jamie

[Barbary Boy]

andrew knowles-brown on crookedstane.co.uk is actually breeding them now!wow! i didnt even think there was even one in this country.i think ill give up smoking then i might be able to afford one in a year or two. if i gave up drinking as well could probably afford one for christmas.think ill ring him and see if heill let me go see em .allways been one of my favs but never seen a live one

[Tim Laycock]

Are you sure he is breeding them?
Or, Is he simply in posession of a "Breeding" pair.

[Barbary Boy]

check out his site it shows a downy claiming to be the 1st bred in the uk?

[Barbary Boy]

just out of interest blackbird how much would you pay for one? i recon they would be a hell of a lot more than a goldie for example! what do you think?

[Bash]

I think it is a waste of time, except for the few who want a "look what I 've got on my glove" people.

Hardly Falconry is it? As much use as an Owl that you lot love to have a go at.

Just an opinion. :D

[DeathFromAbove]

check out his site it shows a downy claiming to be the 1st bred in the uk?

just looked at his site bud, only showing golden eagle chicks... where was the pic?

[Graham Stuart]

this ia an Ornate Hawk Eeagle me thinks:rolleyes:

[SakerJack]

I have seen an ornate flown at blacktail jackrabbits, Truly an incredible bird, easily as fast off the fist as any finnish goshawk which I have flown and some of the most powerful feet of any raptor,, I also have video of said bird flying at hares..
If I lived in warmer climes and could afford it, 10,000.00 US I would not hesitate to fly one..
Sakerjack
Ken Hooke
Falconry Hoods International

[SakerJack]

Have also seen them flown out of cars at crows and magpies,,
Sakerjack
Ken Hooke
Falconry Hoods International

[Barbary Boy]

yove got some f***ing big car windows though aye m8

[SakerJack]

They are not as big as you might think,, I have seen a Fin gos that was longer, and equally as thick in size, but she did not have the feet!!!
There is an article in International Falconer Mag written by my friend Alan Gates about a falconer Jon Nevaiser who was flying a tiercel out of the window,,
Sakerjack
Ken Hooke
Falconry Hoods International

[LeighJauncey]

Sorry to re-open an old can of worms but, a TIERCEL hawk eagle??? I've seem a male Changeable flown and it was red hot.

[Liam Hay]

a guy was impporting them over here, 12k got u one

[SakerJack]

Yup,
Get an old issue of IF, it is a great read and the photos are well done,,
Both male and female flown by the right falconer, in of course the correct climate are deadly birds,, Just too bad that they are so Pricey??
BUT a White Gyr in Canada is priced similar and WOW I love my gyrs but an Ornate!!!!!
Well worth it if you have the $$ and of course the weather,,,
What about Hodgson's or Mountain hawk Eagles!!
Sakerjack
Ken Hooke
Falconry Hoods International

[Tim Laycock]

just out of interest blackbird how much would you pay for one? i recon they would be a hell of a lot more than a goldie for example! what do you think?

They have changed Hands for fourteen grand in the UK!

I would save £13100 and buy a female german Gos :lol:

[HawkEagle]

I have owned a few hawk eagles. I've changeable and mountain hawk eagle. They are fast and powerful bird for their size. Mountain hawk eagle are more powerful than the changable. My female mountain flies at 1.7 kg and my F/changeable flies 1.6. Mountain hawk eagle feet are smaller than the bonelli's but huge iron grip with huge hind claws and very sticky feet. Trust me they could drive their hind claws through Ben Long double thickness glove. These birds are truly beautyful. As far as flying, people have been saying about their still hunt and tend to stay on tree ignoring all cammand. Well, initially I almost thought so till I found out the problem. They are deeply suspicious bird unless you can take away all the fear of them they will not be responding well. I'll post some of the pics later. Another 2 beaties are Blyth's hawkeagle and wallace hawk eagle. These are like a tiny crowned eagle.:yawinkle:

[HawkEagle]

This is one of the pics of my bird

[EagleMan]

hello friends, i like hawk eagles too, hey hawk eagle , you just say that an mountain hawk eagle is smaller than bonelli's eagle . this is strange at least.
most info's th tell that mountains is bigger and stronger than bonelli, even indian subspecies, not to mention japanese mountain hawk eagle{ Spizaetus nipalensis orientalis} ,
in the wild an female can reach an lenght of 83 centimeters and an weight of
3,500 kilos ,it is an awesome bird , traditionaly use for falconry in japan.
japanese falconers fly succesfully these hawk eagles on racoon dogs and even full grown foxes, i'm iterested about this bird too, does any
does anybody know more about japanese hawk eagle?
regards

[MickeyDredd]

in the wild an female can reach an lenght of 83 centimeters and an weight of
3,500 kilos ,it is an awesome bird ,

F*ck me three and a half thousand kilos, that is a big bird :lol: :lol:

[Tr1gger]

Thats just what i was thinking

[EagleMan]

sorry, i'm not english or american, of course i mean 3 and a half kilo....
i can only imagine a 3 tone eagle....brrr.....you can fly her to elephants and rhino...lol...

[EagleMan]

lol :-) not to mention that we should breet those monsters, and we could make great money by selling giant eagles instead of military aircrafts:supz:
bye bye f15 or f16 her come an 3 tone eagle......:-)

[Tr1gger]

Like somthing out of lord of the rings? (i no thats prob asking for some stick)

[HawkEagle]

Well, I doubt it so much. I reckon 3kg full fat weight is possible for the Japanese race. Compareing to Bonelli eagle then mountain hawk eagle is more powerful. I have also handled a female Bonelli's. They have huge feet even bigger than a mountain hawkeagle's feet but not as much crushing strenth. Mountain hawk eagle has huge hind claws. If you ever try glove feeding a whole item of food to a mountain hawk eagle with double thickness glove you will feel the force of the hind claws going into your hand. I'll show you more pics when I get home later.

[EagleMan]

thank you a lot hawk eagle!
it seem that japanese race is a truly magnificent raptor, japanese falconers often says that a 3 and a half kilo female is usual and is recorded as normal weight.
japanese name for this bird says everything - kumataka- translated as "the bear hawk" kuma - bear and taka - hawk
i cant wait to see those pics of you,... succes and take care!
regards

[HawkEagle]

F changeable hawkeagle coming to fist.

[Barbary Boy]

hawkeagle, do you hope to breed hawkeagles as well as fly them?

[HawkEagle]

An imature f changeable hawk eagle.

[HawkEagle]

This is a female Indian mountain hawk (not a Japanese one).

[HawkEagle]

Well not exactly Golden eagle's feet but for a bird weighting 1.7 kg (flying) got to be ok.

[MickeyDredd]

nice, very nice:supz:

[HawkEagle]

Well Barbary boy, I would love to do that and that what I'll try to do. To be honest with you I have never bred BOP. Must be dam hard. I have licence to keep 8 spicies of eagles over here. Unless I can prove that I can breed them there will not be any chance of any coming over. Even I can breed them there are still 2 difficulties, 1 The bird can only change hand amongst a member of Zoological Society and 2 the bird flu ban ofcourse.

[EagleMan]

great talons , hawk eagle, what kind of quarry she can take?
what a bird .....i almost envy you...is she an totally imprinted bird?
regards

[HawkEagle]

great talons , hawk eagle, what kind of quarry she can take?
what a bird .....i almost envy you...is she an totally imprinted bird?
regards
To be honest I have not used her as much as my changeable hawk eagle. She has accidentally taken pet cat and full grown siamese fighting cock. God knows why she is still only half way through her molt. She is a hand reared bird, massive killing attitude and no way in this world could persuade her to let go off the kill or lure.

[Tim Laycock]

Most impressive!
Are these birds wild taken?

[HawkEagle]

Most impressive!
Are these birds wild taken?
She was exchaged with other animal I owned through a public zoo. Therefore I have licence to keep them. But unfortunately she must be wild under licence since noone here breed any BOP. I'll try to be the first. Must be hard work and good advice from you lots will be appreciated.

[Tim Laycock]

Bird flu aside, can you get the required licence to export these birds?
You could make a killing!

[HawkEagle]

Bird flu aside, can you get the required licence to export these birds?
You could make a killing!
Only, if someone with licence to keep these birds as well as a zoo licence can get you these birds and only if you are a zoo registered. Very difficult indeed. Money is interesting but I am a multimill anyway. However, I would love to see you guys testing out these birds. I wish I could get you one to try out. It hurts when you want something bad. I have been waiting painfully for 2 pairs of crowned eagles for a year now. The bird flu ban is killing me.

[Tim Laycock]

when ever raptors like these present themselves I am always torn between two things

I only realy want to fly an indigenous species.

I would love to try a hawk eagle at brown hares.

I dont know why I tease myself by looking :lol:

[HawkEagle]

when ever raptors like these present themselves I am always torn between two things

I only realy want to fly an indigenous species.

I would love to try a hawk eagle at brown hares.

I dont know why I tease myself by looking :lol:
I really admire people who can fly a gos. I have never flown one but I have seen many. They dont look trainable but you people can train them. These birds bate constantly. If you can love a gos you will adore a mountain hawk eagle or a blyth's hawk eagle. Lots of power for the size. Still, gos is the most explosive no matter what they say and you know it..

[Tim Laycock]

Very true about Goshawks.
My main attraction to the Hawk Eagles is the power and size of the foot.

[Barbary Boy]

just managed to get 3 changeables in before the import ban! due out of quarantine on the 3rd dec best offers please to barbary boy, no time wasters.

[EagleMan]

yes, goshawks are reat raptors, but not to be compared with hawk eagles, their feet look thin and delicate comparet with any hawk eagle's feet. i'v seen one guy who several time pited his gos female agains proffesionally trained fighting coks...... those roosters loose pretty bad in front of the gos, they are still powerfull birds

[HawkEagle]

More beautiful than any parrots8-)

[HawkEagle]

This is a male white phrase changeable hawk eagle.

[EagleMan]

mountain hawk eagle , the indian subspecies at her nest.....

[EagleMan]

such a beutifull bird you have , hawk eagle !

[EagleMan]

this is the phillipine hawk eagle , this species has disproportionately larges feet compare to its size, but what a power to kill...

[EagleMan]

changeable hawk eagle on an rabbit, do you like it ?

[HawkEagle]

Nice pics. The philipine hawk eagle looks so much like a mountain hawk eagle. Are they as large? I once had a 2.5 kg changeable hawkeagle. The biggest of this spicie I've seen. I'll post the pic of this bird later on.

[EagleMan]

not at all, the phillipine is smaller only 1, maybe 2 kilos, but 's veri related to mountain hawk. in fact ornithologist conclusioned that there is an supersecies formed by : mountain hawk eagle, blyth's hawk eagle, phillippine hawk eagle, sulawesi hawk eagle, jawan hawk eagle. here is another indian mountain eagle:

[Tim Laycock]

just managed to get 3 changeables in before the import ban! due out of quarantine on the 3rd dec best offers please to barbary boy, no time wasters.

Light or dark birds?

Offers in the region of?????

[HawkEagle]

not at all, the phillipine is smaller only 1, maybe 2 kilos, but 's veri related to mountain hawk. in fact ornithologist conclusioned that there is an supersecies formed by : mountain hawk eagle, blyth's hawk eagle, phillippine hawk eagle, sulawesi hawk eagle, jawan hawk eagle. here is another indian mountain eagle:
It must be true. They all look very similar, if you observe them closely.

[EagleMan]

hawkeagle i just sent yuy some pics, check your mail ,and post it, sorry i was unable.... this is blyth's hawk eagle

[HawkEagle]

Gorgous birds, Blyth's hawk eagle. I had them before. Love them to bits. Extremely boyant in flight. They are small and powerful.

[Barbary Boy]

just managed to get 3 changeables in before the import ban! due out of quarantine on the 3rd dec best offers please to barbary boy, no time wasters.
only joking, sorry

[HawkEagle]

only joking, sorry
That's what I thought cause the flu ban over far eastern countries has been on for over 2 years now. They were gonna lift the ban in Oct this year but then all the sudden the flu was back again big time. More waiting for crowned eagles. Depressing.

[EagleMan]

actually i do some work related to bird flu expansion in Romania, untill today the only birds affected was swans, mallards , herons, egrets, and lota of domestic poultry, not even an raptor recordes:D

[HawkEagle]

Well, that's a relief cause I have been feeding my birds mainly quails and it just so hard to move away from it. I have tried changing to hamsters, they are just too fatty. Rabbits are not very good for feeding stablely. Anyway, I have another pic of another female mountain hawk eagle of mine. She is quite a lot smaller than the other female I posted before but she has enormous tarsus. Her feet look small for her tarsus. She is dam powerful. she is only slightly bigger than a female red tailed buzzard.

[NGuruve]

wow thats gorgeous they are the best looking BOP i my opinion

[AccipiterFreak]

more hawk eagles,
the first is a adult mountain hawk eagle, a 3 kg bird.

the 2nd one is a black changeable, I think this is one of the most handsom bird. probably a limnaetus.

the 3rd is a male imm Bonelli from south China, please compare the feet with the 5th, which is a male Taiwanese Mountain Hawkeagle. both bird were at the 1.8 kg mark.

the 4th is a first year female mountain hawkeagle, also a 3 kg big girl.

Taiwanese Mountain hawkeagle size and look is between the Indian/southeast Asian subspecies and the Japanese subspecies, their plumages are a bit lighter than the nipalensis and has much shorter crest feather, and much heavier, some Chinese ornithologist put them together with the south Chinese birds in a new subspecies fokiensis, which I thnk is reasonable (I saw the south Chinese birds before, and they are pretty identical).

[Eagle Austringer]

Ken, I believe that was Jon N. bird that was flown in the States. Trouble with Ornates is it takes close to 4 years before they become game hawks.
I'd perfer a African Crown Eagle over the Ornate anyday after flying with Andrews bird and talking with Alberto at Harvard who has a pair of them.
Michael Kuriga

[SakerJack]

Hello Michael,
Yes it was Jon N. he was flying at crows etc out of his vehicle,, The video I have not sure who it of but that bird is quick,,
I have heard that they are slow learners but they look like they could do the job and in the video the bird is like a gos off the fist..
With my winter weather, cold etc. a Mountain Hawk eagle like the Japanese falconers used to fly would be ideal,,,
Sakerjack,
Ken Hooke
Falconry Hoods International

[NGuruve]

wow that bonelli's feet are huge well all there feet a massive compard to there body's hawk eagles are amazing and my favourite by far

[HawkEagle]

Accipiter freak, what is the subspicies of the mountain hawkeagle in the first pic. The bird looks very powerful.

[HawkEagle]

My female mountain hawkeagle is much smaller than the pictured bird of the Taiwanese's. She weight 2.3 kg fully fat (empty stomuch). The other female of mine is even smaller flying at 1.5kg very short legs and toes but very thick and powerful.

[EagleMan]

hi friends !
hawk eagles are my favourite BOP alongside the large rainforest eagles.
and from all the eagle ttyped raptors are the best hunters.
mountain hawk eagle is the largest and strongest hawk eagle after the crowned and the martial eagle.
is truly an magnificent bird, especially the japanese subspecies, wich i belive is as formidable as the golden eagle.:supz:

[EagleMan]

hi accipiterfreak

whak subspecies is the mountain hawk eagle from the first pic posted by you?
this one with adult plumage?

[EagleMan]

hi hawk eagle!
your bird is great, has truly massive tarsus, did she catch any big hares?
she could be small because is from the indian subspecies?, i think especially kerala birds are smaller then taiwanese and japanese subspecies:?:

[HawkEagle]

Eagleman, how many subspicies of mountain hawk eagle are there and their distribution? Cant find any information on this?

[EagleMan]

hi hawk eagle !
here is the info from the best book on raptors that i get ! , is more than 1000 pages and it treat all 312 raptor species :
in mountain hawk eagle there are three races usually recognized { fokiensis in southeast china, of wich witheadi is synonym, doubtfuly valid}
-S. n.nipalensis { himalayas to thailand, southeastchina and taiwan}, middle-sized of the three; strongly marked ; long crest.
- S. n. kelaarti {sri lanka and southwest india}, averages marginally smaller; usually paler and sometimes much smaller bellow, with median throat-stripe almost absent, more rufus barring, and evenalmost plain buff wing-linings; long crest.
- S. n. orientalis{japan, korea vagrant only} . distinctly much larger; generally paler than nominate race, with less heavy markings, browner barring, and black mottled or lightly streaked wing linings; vestigital crest. this one could be regarded as distingt species.

[AccipiterFreak]

personally, I have "physical contacted" southeast Asian, Taiwanese/Southern Chinese and Japanese Mountain Hawkeagles in the past. To me they are totally different birds in their plumages, crest feather lenghthes and body sizes. The only one I have nerver seen was the Sirilanka bird. I don't know why people put southeast Asian and Taiwanese/Southern Chinese pupulations in one subspecies. their sizes are about 25% different, their crest feathers are about 5 x difference. Anyway, my 2 cents.

[HawkEagle]

hi hawk eagle !
here is the info from the best book on raptors that i get ! , is more than 1000 pages and it treat all 312 raptor species :
in mountain hawk eagle there are three races usually recognized { fokiensis in southeast china, of wich witheadi is synonym, doubtfuly valid}
-S. n.nipalensis { himalayas to thailand, southeastchina and taiwan}, middle-sized of the three; strongly marked ; long crest.
- S. n. kelaarti {sri lanka and southwest india}, averages marginally smaller; usually paler and sometimes much smaller bellow, with median throat-stripe almost absent, more rufus barring, and evenalmost plain buff wing-linings; long crest.
- S. n. orientalis{japan, korea vagrant only} . distinctly much larger; generally paler than nominate race, with less heavy markings, browner barring, and black mottled or lightly streaked wing linings; vestigital crest. this one could be regarded as distingt species.
what book is it? I want one. Where can I get one? As you know I have 2 female and a male. The 2 females of mine are completely different as well, one being much bigger and the other just very stocky built. hugh tarsus short thick toes. Standing with legs wide apart with shorter but broader crests. I reckon the in Thailand the norther the bird origin the bigger they tend to be (not conclusive). That's why down south of my country you get small form of mountain hawkeagle called Blyth's hawkeagle and wallace's hawkeagle. Therefore South China birds should be larger. Still I doubt the Taiwanese female mountain hawkeagle weight 3kg when the male weight 1.8 kg. The difference is too much. The male bird weight 1.8kg (quoted be accipiterfreak) the female should be no more than 2.4kg.

[AccipiterFreak]

http://www.hbw.com/phtml/llibreEditorial.phtml?idClass=8&codi=HELM118
I think this is the most updated one. I got one from ebay for 35 USD
But, there is an old Chinese saying: it is better to have no book if you want to belive in book totally"
this book have some mistakes too. Like the indian black eagle. on this book, you don't find the distribution of IBE on Taiwan. But, there does have a IBE population on Taiwan. and it might be a new subspecies too. Because the imm plumage of Taiwanese is totally different from other population. Anyway, good luck.

[AccipiterFreak]

The male bird weight 1.8kg (quoted be accipiterfreak) the female should be no more than 2.4kg.
too bad, critters doesn't always greated by formula. There are some 2.5 kg female Taiwanese MHEs, there are also some 2.2 kg males, but the 2 females in the photos were around 3 kg, and that imm males were 1.8 kg.
There were many southeast Asian mountain hawkeagles smugled into Taiwan in 80's and 90's. But, none of them have the weight or size of native Taiwanese Mountain Hawkeagles. And all southeast Asian bird had that 5+ cm crest feather, which you never find on Taiwanese bird (2 cm at most). I think that was why Chinese ornithologist put them in a different subspecies. And I haven't find any scientific report about MHE migration in the south. So, I think at least Taiwan population is an isolated population from other MHE population on the mainland. Ecologically and genetically, this could be a seperate species. lol, taxonomy at the intra-specific level is really difficult to deal with. The clear cut in some population often time is just subjective. The jer-saker-altai falcon super species is another good example.

[HawkEagle]

Accipiterfreak, any chance you could find me a closed up pic of Taiwanese mhe? You might have a apoint about the crests. South east asian birds do have very long crests. Thanks for the advice on the book I'll get it ordered tomorrow.

[EagleMan]

hi hawk eagle!
it's the same book as my book !

[EagleMan]

hi accipiter freak
taiwanese MHO could be more an popoulation than an subspecies?
from your post i understand that taiwan birds could be an between continental birds and japanese subspecies.
do you know by any chance someone fron Japan or elsewhere who might breed or use in falconry purpose, the japanese MHO ?

[EagleMan]

japanese kumataka are great, i remember an documentary about them, magnificent birds, almost golden eagle sized.
the falconers fly kumataka's over deep snow silently almost owl like....
they kill efortless pheasant and hares....

[EagleMan]

japanese have also very small crest, same as martial eagles.

[HawkEagle]

Check this out www.pref.akita.jp/fpd/index2-e.htm They have some information on Jap mountain hawkeagle with nice pics. By the way the article said the bird weight 2.4kgs. Not 3kgs or more.

[NGuruve]

wow nice article gd pictures there aswell those bird look powerful and a bit crankey

[EagleMan]

great article and pics:supz:
their english is sparse, they mention that the hawk weight is between 2 to 4 kilos, not 2.4 kilo.
this info concorde to scientifical wiight measurement, altrough check out the bird size compared to the falconer, definetely not an 2 and a half bird !

[HawkEagle]

Yes you are right eagleman, it said 2-4 kgs. They wrote 2'4k which looks like 2.4, my apology.

[NGuruve]

that bird does look rather large wonder wat the actual weight was did it say that they take foxes

[HawkEagle]

Check out the claws.

[AccipiterFreak]

I will try to ask around for a good foto. Here is a foto taken in a falconer friend's weding. I am 5'7", the 2nd from the left in yellow jacket. the 2 female MHEs on the left were considered "big" Taiwanese specimen (around 3kg). the crest feather on MHEs was almost absent. Just a relative comparison of their sizes to regular oriental person.

[AccipiterFreak]

Japanese MHE is almost a different species to me, If you have the chance to compare several Asian hawkeagle species. If Javan HE and Philippine HE is a so different enough to be considered as a species, then Japanese Hawakeagle is different enough from other MHE subspecies to be considered as a "species", the imm/juv. plumage is so different from other MHE. They have dark face and marking on their brest/belly in their juv/imm plumage, which you don't find in other Spizeatus. There seemed to be a population of MHE breeding in Korea/Russian far East/Chinese Manchuria area. Almost no literatures mention this population. It will be fun to see their potential.

[HawkEagle]

Accipiterfreak, yes they are bigger than birds we get over here. Very handsme as well. You might be right about them being another subspicies. The jap mhe should also be another spicies. I reckon fareastern mhe are more closely related to Javan's hawkeagle and philipine hawkeagle than jap mhe. I think there has not been enough study in hawkeagle to be conclusive about the matter. Correct the book then.:supz:

[EagleMan]

hi friends !
you'r right ! nobody mentioned the russian, korean and manchurian populations of MHE, why that ? it seem than nobody studied those eagles . are they the same as japAnese eagles or they could be an different and unknown subspecies for the science.

[EagleMan]

i remind you that even the weight differencials for Isidor's eagle aka Oroaetus isidorii is unknown by ornithologs.
great wedding! i wish to be there for the eagles...:supz:

[HawkEagle]

Accipiterfreak, when you say the birds weight around 3 kg. Is it flying weight or fully fat? Also have you ever handled a boneli's eagle, if so how would you rate it against mhe? I have personally handled a female bonelli's she has enormous feet. But I am not sure about stenght since the bird did not grab me hard. I personally think that both Bonelli's and Booted eagle are closely related to golden eagle even more than say tawny or steppe eagle.

[AccipiterFreak]

If my memory is right, the weight I mentioned were the "off trap" and fat weight. I don't remember their fly weights.
No, I have never handled a Bonelli.
I don't know what you mean about the Hieraaetus and Aquila relationships? I thought species in the same genus should be more closely related?:supz:

[HawkEagle]

Well, according to recent study in there gene (this is what I have read), Bonelli's eagle is infact closely related to golden eagle. I've worked at a place that has both Bonelli's, booted and golden eagle in captivity. They all have very similar face, poster and even call. Golden eagle makes louder call of course. Plus, I used to train and fly a Steppe eagle and she was nothing like a golden eagle. Try to observe one you'll be amazed.

[EagleMan]

yes you ' r right , despite the fact thet goldie is an Aquila type eagle is close related to bonelli's who is an regular hawk eagle:supz:

[HawkEagle]

Just took some pics today. She is the largest mountain hawkeagle I have ever seen over here.

[EagleMan]

great bird:supz: how old is she? did you ever fly her at large hares or a cat ?

[HawkEagle]

She is in her second year going into third. She has taken 4kg (weighted) hare and acidentally a pet cat. I must admit that the hare was a bag game, you just could not find hare around here. Still I've never helped my bird dispatching the quirries. Unfortunatly, she has not been flown this year due to her late moult and she is sill quite a long way to go yet. :cry:

[SparsTheOne]

hi H.E.
i havent read all the post on this thread so this may have been asked before,

what the temperment like on this birds,are they hard to handle,and how much are they to buy.

and by the way that is one smashing bird you have there.

cheers jase.

[Afshimo]

the hawk eagle below is gorgouse! anymore pics of her? :p happy hawk eagling lol.

[HawkEagle]

hi H.E.
i havent read all the post on this thread so this may have been asked before,

what the temperment like on this birds,are they hard to handle,and how much are they to buy.

and by the way that is one smashing bird you have there.

cheers jase.

Mountain HE, if enough time spent they will be very nice birds to handle. However initual training and manning, they are extermely aggressive gripping so hard that you will require a full length tripple layer eagle glove anything less it'll go through. Even with the eagle glove you will still feel the pain. These birds are nothing like gos, they are not as nervy and they don't bait alot. For the ultimate hare hawking, this is the bird you would want to experiment. :supz:

[EagleMan]

hawk eagle, how is MHEcompared to bonelli's. wich one could hunt larger prey?

[Tarqers]

there is a guy in mindhead who flew one in the 80s called chris dean,he recons they were fanominal but he had to bury stuff to get the bird of it,,,,,tarqs

[HawkEagle]

I have that problem too but not too much with my chageable hawkeagle. I am now training another f mhe. She is extremly forocous and will take me on any time. She does not have hugh feet but she has enormous tarsus,standing with legs wide apart like a bulldog.

[Tarqers]

power house!!! how long you had it,,,,tarqs

[Tarqers]

ive read accounts of jap falconers who make every body around them show respect and be subserviant while the hawk is watching,apparently makes them tow the line quicker,,,,tarqs

[CooperMan]

ive read accounts of jap falconers who make every body around them show respect and be subserviant while the hawk is watching,apparently makes them tow the line quicker,,,,tarqs
The guests or the bird

[Tarqers]

the guests are already towing it,but mumbling under there breath,,,tarqs

[CooperMan]

the guests are already towing it,but mumbling under there breath,,,tarqs
lol looking at the picture above I think I'd be on the line as well is that bird looking at the camera with its foot clenched saying "any closer and you get a punch" or what?

[Tarqers]

yea its just saying and you prats thought i had a six inch reach,ive seen fhh do it after they have been cast,,,,tarqs

[NGuruve]

wow nice pics there but i am also curious as to how they compare with the bonelli's ad has anyone flown a african hawk eagle

[HawkEagle]

Between bonelli's eagle and a mountain he, it'll be a close call. Bonelli's poses much larger feet span but I am not sure about the gripping power since I have not been gripped by one. According to Martin Holinshed's book call hawking ground quirries, it say dispite all the power Bonelli's eagle still loose hares but I dont see my bird loosing even the largest hare. She has enormous gripping power hugh short tarsus. Her stance is so wide like a bulldog.

[Tarqers]

is he at all footy or does he not mind you around his feet,,,,tarqs

[NGuruve]

yer thats one gorgeous bird would love to see it on a hare nice pics there your right it does stand with its feet wide apart

[EagleMan]

what a great bird, hawk eagle? did you encounter any problems while you tried to introduce these hawk eagles in Europe ?