Tail Belling Your Bird

[Hawkmaster]

Here are some pictures that may help someone!

Hope they are self explanatory? :wink:

[Afshimo]

brill thx! I'll b using them!

[Moses]

always wanted a shot of that, looks very hard though , see those nice tail mount things in griffs site, they look neat

[Hawkmaster]

First time I have tried the hole in the leather, we will see?

[Tim Laycock]

HM the hole in the leather is an interesting Idea.

I like to fasten the mount at the top and the bottom as it stops the transmitter aeriel whipping you in the face when recalling to the fist

[Hawkmaster]

Yea' it is just something I thoughtwould keep the whole lot better attached.

[Albie]

Hey Paul,
Can I have one of those please, can I can I can I please!!
Looks a lot easier to attach telemetry to as well do'nt you think.

[Harrisii]

Hi Guys, these tail mounts look great. where can these be purchased??
they look better than most ive seen. would appreciate suggestions.

[Hawkmaster]

I got it from Mark Richards in Cornwall.

[Goose]

where can these be purchased??
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Take a look on Griffs' web site (M-J Hoods)

[HawkNorth]

Blackbird can you show us that one fastened at the to bottom

[Tim Laycock]

This is the best I can do without draging her out.
The positions of the cable ties are shown by a red cross.

The mounting strips run from the bottom cable tie mounting, Up through the tailmount and back through to the uppermost cable tie mounting.

[Coedhirion]

I used the tail mount Hawkmaster uses, last year. It was easy to fit the transmitter, but had a small problem with it 'flipping up' but also with a short aerial, the transmitter tended to jump out. Solved this by adding a small bit of builders tape over mount after the trans. was attached.
This year I am trying a leather one a bit like Blackbird's which I cut myself. But it fastens by puting one cable tie on each deck high up, then you measure down to position of bottom hole on leather and fit a second tie on each deck. Pull em tight and add a bit of glue. Place tail mount over the long ends of the 4 cable ties add drop more glue, cut 4 'nuts' off 4 more cable ties and zip them down tight. Hope this makes sense, cant put a pick as its on the bird and he's real fluffy !! the bell is on with a small cable tie and a largish telemetry tube cabled below. Sounds like a lot of cables, but use real tiny ones.
We fitted 2 Harris and a Gos with these and didn't cast any of them. Looks neat and is working well at moment.

[Tim Laycock]

Sounds interesting.
Can the deck feathers still move independently or does this nail then together a bit.

Mine works very well in this respect but it was tedious to fit and get straight.

[Red Sheridan]

What a horrendous contraption that tail mount is. It's looks bulky, is probably unnecessarily weighty, fixed to both decks which inevitably, in the case of a bird flying between fence strands,(as they sometimes do) will mean the loss of BOTH decks in the event of an unfortunate accident. On top of that, the fixing looks messy and insecure. Yuck.

I understand that it is a question of personal choice but that is a tail mount that I would go to some lengths to avoid, most especially as there are far simpler, lighter and more secure alternatives available.

Goodnight,
Red

[Coedhirion]

What a horrendous contraption that tail mount is. It's looks bulky, is probably unnecessarily weighty, fixed to both decks which inevitably, in the case of a bird flying between fence strands,(as they sometimes do) will mean the loss of BOTH decks in the event of an unfortunate accident. On top of that, the fixing looks messy and insecure. Yuck.

I understand that it is a question of personal choice but that is a tail mount that I would go to some lengths to avoid, most especially as there are far simpler, lighter and more secure alternatives available.

Goodnight,
Red

Well as he states it looks horrendous, I spose he means the plastic one. if you weigh the plastic and a plectrum size piece of decent leather, leather is almost heavier. As to using 2 decks, well that's a matter of choice. Personaly I prefer a good mount on two decks to spread the weight and it is anchored down better and not swinging around like a fish on a line bending one feather to b....ry. But thats up to the owner of each individual bird

[Coedhirion]

"What a horrendous contraption that tail mount is"
Errrrr... just remembered..are you in fact experienced enough to comment on this subject :oops:
I am sure I remember a previous post by you..you reconed that if we all learnt country craft, to read our birds etc we wouldnt have to use telemetry. You reconed you had been flying birds for years, never lost one and never used telemetry. If you just use a bell 'if you do use one at all' you don't have to use a tail mount. Or if you do, not much of one, nothing to spin, nothing to stop flipin over the back of the bird.
If I remember incorrectly I humbly appologise....sorry :oops:

[Tim Laycock]

Red Sheridan.

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

I think the above is especialy applickable to yourself.

I have observed your posts since I arrived here and in all honesty I can say that I have managed to wring nothing of any value from them.

You contribute little or nothing to this site in the name of increasing shared knowlege and in reference to your opinion of my tailmount.
I hold no regard for it at all.

Its like the opinion of every other person such as yourself......It simply does not matter.

<btw> My Goshawk seems to manage to fly through sheep fencing during the course of a slip without any trouble caused by the "bulky" tailmount.

[UKJay74]

the tail mount looks preety standard to me :S yes it may not look great but it handles the bell and transmitter in one so is real good thing

should peeps consider using a plectrum for thi be mount and something else for the tx if so wont this add to probs/weight and rthe likes???

[Tim Laycock]

It is a "standard" sized mount.
It looks oversized because it is a bell from a sparrowhawk.

It is not the best looking tailmount but I tend to favour functionality over form.

[Hawkmaster]

Just a couple more points:

It weighed 1/8 oz less than a kangaroo plectrum the same size and is only 22mm fron top to bottom.

I modified the telemetry opening and that made it MUCH better!

[HawkNorth]

Thanks Blackbird you have answered the next question not getting caught up
in sheep fencing is your bird male or female
has anybody else had any probs with bell or transmiter getting hung up on wire and found away around the prob

[OutFlying]

Thanks Blackbird you have answered the next question not getting caught up
in sheep fencing is your bird male or female
has anybody else had any probs with bell or transmiter getting hung up on wire and found away around the prob


It is pure luck with regards to sheep netting or wire fencing, some you win some you lose - either your hawk or the decks. I've lost 2 gosses to sheep netting and lost 2 center decks to a branch.

Jim.

[Renton]

It is pure luck with regards to sheep netting or wire fencing, some you win some you lose - either your hawk or the decks. I've lost 2 gosses to sheep netting and lost 2 center decks to a branch.

Jim.

Have yet to lose a bird or deck feathers to wire, thankfully. My Harris has learnt, after a few crashes, not to follow a rabbit through a wire fence but to fly over it.

[Tim Laycock]

HawkNorth,

The Gos is a finnish female

[Coedhirion]

Thanks Blackbird at least some one agrees with me (about Mr. Redsheridan's comments) and I recon both the pastic mount and the leather mount look tidy enough. As I said used the plastic one last year but have gone back to a leather one this year as I also wanted to try the 4 point anchor system.

[Red Sheridan]

Blackbird, what a truly petulant response to an opinion that clearly does not agree with yours. I can only assume that this might be the sort of response that anybody disagreeing with you might elicit.

QUOTE: I have observed your posts since I arrived here and in all honesty I can say that I have managed to wring nothing of any value from them.

Well I must say that I am flattered at the attention you have given my posts as I have to admit that I have not bothered to read yours.
By dismissing other people’s opinions I assume your rise to ‘expert’ must have been rapid indeed.

QUOTE: You contribute little or nothing to this site in the name of increasing shared knowlege and in reference to your opinion of my tailmount.
I hold no regard for it at all.

My point precisely!

And with regard to Coedhirion……… You remembered perfectly well, I do not use telemetry but I do use a tail bell. Some difficulty might be experienced if trying to use a tail bell without a mount don’t you think?

QUOTE: Errrrr... just remembered..are you in fact experienced enough to comment on this subject ops:

Oops indeed, I have never forced upon anybody just how much experience I have and will not do so now, even in my own defence. Suffice to say that I have probably fitted more tail mounts to more birds than you have had flying days. I trust this makes my point clearly.

And finally, please feel free Blackbird to continue your diatribe of stupidity against me simply because I disagree with you, as I shall not return to this thread to read it. Your response helps me to better understand why so many good falconers have left this forum.

I bid you goodnight.

Red

[Wightwings]

crickey.......for what its worth i use a home made leather type fixed with cable ties for the past two years ........before that i used the leather and glue fixing so sold out a little:o ......never had ANY probs with either to date:supz: :rolleyes:


PS AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHH what sall this **** about more than four smilies......:mad:

[Tim Laycock]

Blackbird, what a truly petulant response to an opinion that clearly does not agree with yours. I can only assume that this might be the sort of response that anybody disagreeing with you might elicit.

Red Sheridan

What an astute type of chap you must be to have guaged me so correctly.
Duly noted, Well done!

Now try constructing a post that is intended to be informative and an engaging read for other members.

If you cannot do this then why do you bother?

[Harrisii]

Have yet to lose a bird or deck feathers to wire, thankfully. My Harris has learnt, after a few crashes, not to follow a rabbit through a wire fence but to fly over it.

AH, the brains of the harris to the fore.
brains over brawn wins the day.
(just kidding).

[Coedhirion]

And with regard to Coedhirion……… You remembered perfectly well, I do not use telemetry but I do use a tail bell. Some difficulty might be experienced if trying to use a tail bell without a mount don’t you think?

QUOTE: Errrrr... just remembered..are you in fact experienced enough to comment on this subject ops:

Oops indeed, I have never forced upon anybody just how much experience I have and will not do so now, even in my own defence. Suffice to say that I have probably fitted more tail mounts to more birds than you have had flying days. I trust this makes my point clearly.

I bid you goodnight.

Red[/QUOTE]

Sure about that !!!!!!!??????????????
You must have had an awful lot of birds in your life, haven't bothered to look but are you still anon. But from your comments on tail mounts and telemetry etc it may well have been possible that you didnt even use a bell. Plus there are a lot of people who fit bells to the leg.
So if you dont like the leather mounts and you dont like plastic, pray tell us Sir ...what do YOU use ??????

[Bambi]

My tail mount is completely home made a cut a bit of credit card in a rectangle and give it a triangular end with the pointy bit cut off so it is not sharp. Then glue a bit of fishing rod on so the tail mount when squeezed goes through and won't come out I then attach the bell above which helps bounce things off stopping the tag getting caught. Then glue the little strips of twine two to cable ties which then are pulled tight on the feather. The twine is glued to the credit card. So far the one time it got caught it slid straight off the tail, without pulling feathers out and occasionally comes off randomly if he messes with it but he doesn't touch it now a days.
Ben