Got my Harris today

[The Egyptian]

I was very happy today as I my bird arrived and I was buzzin 2 say the least' It's a male and fairley friendley 2 say the least 16 week's old. Hw weighs 1lb 6oz.
He fed of the fist with in 30 min's and then just left the head so I waited 25m and then put him back on his perch I can see him out my kitchen window and wright now he's on 1 leg fluffed out so I carnt complain so far so good.
If any 1 could give me any advice on what next it would be intrested 2 listen to what use think?

I will carry on feeding on the fist and do this for 7 more day's and then move on to the step then the jump ?

I hope 2 spend 1 hour in the morning and 1 in the eveningwith him and see how we progress ?

:yawinkle:

[Moses]

congratulations bros :D


post some pics when u get the chance


cheers

[Flying High]

congratulations on your first bird i hope you have many an hour spent training, flying and hunting. the only advice i can give you is do not rush it. a lot of people whin they first start out rush there bird (some so called experienced falconers) If you don't rush it you should have many a happy years flying and hunting together

Good luck and all the best. please keep us posted

[FlameHairedFalconer]

I was very happy today as I my bird arrived and I was buzzin 2 say the least' It's a male and fairley friendley 2 say the least 16 week's old. Hw weighs 1lb 6oz.
He fed of the fist with in 30 min's and then just left the head so I waited 25m and then put him back on his perch I can see him out my kitchen window and wright now he's on 1 leg fluffed out so I carnt complain so far so good.
If any 1 could give me any advice on what next it would be intrested 2 listen to what use think?

I will carry on feeding on the fist and do this for 7 more day's and then move on to the step then the jump ?

I hope 2 spend 1 hour in the morning and 1 in the eveningwith him and see how we progress ?

:yawinkle:

1lb 6oz - is this his fat weight out of the aviary? If so he is gonna be a little titch! No offence, after all its not the size that counts its what you do with it! ;)

You need to be getting him to jump for food once he starts to feed off the fist, you will probably start this by getting him to step up off his perch for a chick wing or similar, then off the scales for similar. As he gains confidence, you can ask him to hop to the fist for food as the books suggest. Take it slowly, but you do want to be moving forward with each training session.

Good luck!

[SakerYZF]

Congrats man , sounds like a relaxed bird hope you have lots of fun , sure you will:D

[Sean]

Hope uses have lots of fun together, it all starts here!

[HunterPaul]

as fhf said keep him moving forward all the time .... this does not mean rush him but these are very intelligent birds ..and boredom or lack of stimulation can bring problems of its own....

[The Egyptian]

Brilliant im'e thankfull for the info and I will follow the book Iv'e been reading and stick with that it's the same info use have just givin me so that help's 2 no that it's all good info and advice in and out the forum :yawinkle:

Patience is a virtue and 2 behonest iv'e waited month's before getting my first bird even thow I could of bought 1 at any time so I hope 2 take my time and get the best out of him'he's only a small bird but 2 behonest im'e happy and that's what count's

wish me luck :)

[Addi]

Ok .. now for my two penneth worth!

Egyptian .. fat weight is NOT nessesarally what he came out the aviary to you at! ... some male harris hawks when in a breeding chamber with females for company dont always come out of the aviary fat, females are bigger birds and he may have only been getting small portions for a while. The weight of a new bird of prey is more that just put it on the scales and read the dials, you need to feel the keel bone of the bird to see how much fat he is carrying. I suggest you get an experienced falconer to do this for you .. only then can you tell if the bird is at 'top weight' .. if this dosent happen you could quickly have a dead bird on ur hands

after this is done, once he is eating off the fist then get a jump, noting is gained in feeding off the fist for a week before attempting a jump, as paul said, harris hawks are very cleaver birds and responde well once they get the idea. i have just got a female flying free from wild in 6 day .. im not saying that is what you should try and achive .. im just saying that there is no point hesitating at 'stages' .... if you get a short jump to the fist quickly .. double the length, if that is quick then double it again! ... there is no rule that says you cant progress in one training session.

craig

[Osiris]

Glad to hear your taking your time m8...but i thought you were waiting a year before u wer even thinking about getting your first bird...:?:

Take Addi's advice, its good and true.

Post some pics up when u get the chance! :D

[KevGem1]

doent forget to try and end each traning session on a posoitive and good look with him all the best KEV.

[The Egyptian]

Glad to hear your taking your time m8...but i thought you were waiting a year before u wer even thinking about getting your first bird...:?:

Take Addi's advice, its good and true.

Post some pics up when u get the chance! :D

I did say this and maybe I look like a bit of a hypocrite but 2 be honest I felt the time was wright and let's be honest you never no when your time is up m8 who's 2say Il'e be here ina year.

Im'e taking my time and I will listen and do my best 2 keep thing's under control so wish me luck.

[The Egyptian]

Ok .. now for my two penneth worth!

Egyptian .. fat weight is NOT nessesarally what he came out the aviary to you at! ... some male harris hawks when in a breeding chamber with females for company dont always come out of the aviary fat, females are bigger birds and he may have only been getting small portions for a while. The weight of a new bird of prey is more that just put it on the scales and read the dials, you need to feel the keel bone of the bird to see how much fat he is carrying. I suggest you get an experienced falconer to do this for you .. only then can you tell if the bird is at 'top weight' .. if this dosent happen you could quickly have a dead bird on ur hands

after this is done, once he is eating off the fist then get a jump, noting is gained in feeding off the fist for a week before attempting a jump, as paul said, harris hawks are very cleaver birds and responde well once they get the idea. i have just got a female flying free from wild in 6 day .. im not saying that is what you should try and achive .. im just saying that there is no point hesitating at 'stages' .... if you get a short jump to the fist quickly .. double the length, if that is quick then double it again! ... there is no rule that says you cant progress in one training session.

craig

Brilliant advice nice 1

Question Time

1 ) If I take a backward step in training will this be ok' and will the training still progress ?

2) my bird is out side but I have huge alotment running at the side were there is no wind and it's alot carmer in there'should I go in there and feed and train him ?

3) Got a friend who has a farm in Preston and he has a 1000 acres that he has given me permission to use when I want'at what stage would I introduce the bird 2 this land and is it pure instinct that drives the bird 2 hunt or is there orther way's of introducing the bird 2 kill ?

Thank's again for the info Addi' should I bring him 2 the field meet for use 2 have a look at him ?

[Blaze]

HI
I WOULD SUGGEST FEEDING HIM UP FOR A FEW DAYS AS ID GUESS HE WILL PUT A BIT MORE WEIGHT ON AS WHEN I PICKED MY FEMALE HARRIS UP FROM THE BREEDER SHE WEIGHED 1lb 15oz I FED HER UP FOR A WEEK & GOT HER UP TO 2lb 6oz SHE MUST HAVE BEEN STARVING SAYING THAT THE BLOKE WHO I GOT HER OFF WAS AN ABSOLUTE ***** PROBLEM WAS ID GIVEN HIM THE FULL PAYMENT 6 MONTHS BEFORE I GOT MY BIRD HIS ATTITUDE SOON CHANGED ONCE HE HAD MY MONEY HE WASNT AS HELPFULL AS BEFORE I PAID HIM

[Osiris]

V.True THE EGYPTIAN. You never know and if you felt ready then good on you. Hope you do well :D If you need help just ask. We're here to help you.

Blaze - thats why i pay for my birds on the day i pick them up. I get to know the breeders i deal with before making any "purchases" anyway. I know them quite well now and often speak to them on the phone both generally and in falconry chat.

Jamie :cool:

[Addi]

Brilliant advice nice 1

Question Time

1 ) If I take a backward step in training will this be ok' and will the training still progress ?

2) my bird is out side but I have huge alotment running at the side were there is no wind and it's alot carmer in there'should I go in there and feed and train him ?

3) Got a friend who has a farm in Preston and he has a 1000 acres that he has given me permission to use when I want'at what stage would I introduce the bird 2 this land and is it pure instinct that drives the bird 2 hunt or is there orther way's of introducing the bird 2 kill ?

Thank's again for the info Addi' should I bring him 2 the field meet for use 2 have a look at him ?

1, if you take a backward step in the training due to the bird refusing a flight over a longer distance lets say, just get a flight a bit closer and end it for the day there. Feed him up the right amount of food to bring him down a touch and try again teh next day remembering to always finish on a good note

2, fly the bird where you want, no wind is an advantage as long as there is no crops or sticks etc in the allotment to snag the creance as this will upset him

3, as soon as the bird is flying free then get him out onto the hunting land. With a harris hawk they have a certain amount of instinct but it is different in different birds. Most need a jumpstart.

If you intend to fly at rabbits, get yourself a few shot bunnies, tie it to your creance and hide it in bush before you take him out to teh flying field. Now when you are flying him pull the rabbit using the creance line out the bush slowly and he will fly down to it and grab it, once he has done this let him take a crop of food off the rabbit and end the session for the day remembering rabbit wont push his weight up too much as it is a lean meat. Now increase the speed and he will get the idea that rabbits are good eating. All you need to do is get him out and put up a good slip infront of him and when he nails his first rabbit let him eat as much as he wants off it, this will intice him to fly harder at rabbits anticipating getting a full crop of food when he gets one!

Bring him to the field meet if you like, but you need to get a falconer closer to you to check his weight otherwise you could end up with a dead bird well before teh date of the field meet!

[Blaze]

V.True THE EGYPTIAN. You never know and if you felt ready then good on you. Hope you do well :D If you need help just ask. We're here to help you.

Blaze - thats why i pay for my birds on the day i pick them up. I get to know the breeders i deal with before making any "purchases" anyway. I know them quite well now and often speak to them on the phone both generally and in falconry chat.

Jamie :cool:
I MET HIM SPENT HOURS TALKING TO HIM WENT UP TO SEE HIM & HIS BIRDS AS WELL HE WAS HELPFULL BUT ONCE I WAS HAPPY AND PARTED WITH MY MONEY HE WOULDNT ANSWER PHONE, HE WOULD TELL ME THE BIRD WOULD BE READY ON A CERTAIN DATE THEN WHEN IT CAME ROUND TO IT IT WASNT READY FOR ANOUTHER FEW WEEKS,MY FREIND ALSO BOUGHT 1 OFF HIM WHEN HE PHONED THE IBR THEY TOLD HIM THAT HE DIDNT EVEN BREED THE BIRD ONCE HE TOLD THE IBR WHO HE BOUGHT IT OFF THEY TOLD HIM THAT HES NOT TO BE TRUSTED AS A FEW PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT HIM HES EVEN BEEN ACUSED OF BIRD THEFT,BUT WHAT IM SAYING IS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT HE WAS A RESPECTABLE MAN HES EVEN GOT HIS OWN WEB SITE

[MickeyDredd]

Name and shame then, please!

[Osiris]

Yep, name and shame the person!! Terrible way to work!! :mad:
People likes this should not be able to breed or own a BOP or any animal!!

[OutFlying]

I was very happy today as I my bird arrived and I was buzzin 2 say the least' It's a male and fairley friendley 2 say the least 16 week's old. Hw weighs 1lb 6oz.
He fed of the fist with in 30 min's and then just left the head so I waited 25m and then put him back on his perch I can see him out my kitchen window and wright now he's on 1 leg fluffed out so I carnt complain so far so good.
If any 1 could give me any advice on what next it would be intrested 2 listen to what use think?

I will carry on feeding on the fist and do this for 7 more day's and then move on to the step then the jump ?

I hope 2 spend 1 hour in the morning and 1 in the eveningwith him and see how we progress ?

:yawinkle:

If a totally untouched parent reared harris straight out the aviary feeds on the fist within 30 minutes - IT IS LOW IN WEIGHT. What are the feathers like ? any fret marks ? condition of keel ?

With your further questions, I think you need someone local to oversee your methods and assess the hawks condition.

Yours Jim.

[Blaze]

Yep, name and shame the person!! Terrible way to work!! :mad:
People likes this should not be able to breed or own a BOP or any animal!!
HIS NAME IS TERRY YOUNG :evil: FROM LEEDS IF YOUR IN THE IBR THEY WILL TELL YOU HES NOT TO BE TRUSTED

[Addi]

HIS NAME IS TERRY YOUNG :evil: FROM LEEDS IF YOUR IN THE IBR THEY WILL TELL YOU HES NOT TO BE TRUSTED

i very thought it would be him .. he is not a breeder .. he is a bird trader and should be avoided .. with him delaying your harris week after week he was most likely on the phone searching around for one that he can add a hundred quid on and sell it to you ! .. not the type of dealings that do falconry or keeping of birds of prey any good at all!

[The Egyptian]

Name and shame then, please!

YOU SHOULD NAME AND SHAME HIM AS THIS IS UNFAIR 2 YOUR SELF AND ANY BEGGINER WHO CROSSES HIS PATH !!!

[HunterPaul]

i think youll find they have......

[The Egyptian]

[QUOTE=hunterpaul]i think youll find they have......[/QUDidnt see that paul sent the message then seen it lol.

Bad new's people like that mate he desearves it' shame he isnt a member on the forum lol

[HunterPaul]

im originally from leeds and it makes me ashamed, luckily I have never had dealings with this man ...but there is a lesson to be learned here guys.. and if ppl like this can do you ...then you are doing it wrong ..you have to behave like a victim to get victimised...then go round and kick his nuts into his lungs....
go back and read osiris thread over and over again...learn from it then you should have no probs when buying your next bird...

[Blaze]

im originally from leeds and it makes me ashamed, luckily I have never had dealings with this man ...but there is a lesson to be learned here guys.. and if ppl like this can do you ...then you are doing it wrong ..you have to behave like a victim to get victimised...then go round and kick his nuts into his lungs....
go back and read osiris thread over and over again...learn from it then you should have no probs when buying your next bird...
I WAS TAKEN IN BY THE ***** HE HAS A LOAD OF BREEDING PAIRS OF ALL SORTS IN HIS BACK YARD HE SEEMED A REPUTABLE FALCONER IF ID HAVE JUST GIVEN HIM A £50 DEPOSIT I WOULD HAVE TOLD HIM TO STICK IT UP HIS ARSE BUT ID PAID THE MAN £300 OFF A £350 BIRD I MUST HAVE BEEN DROPPED ON MY HEAD WHEN I WAS A KID,HIS ATTITUDE WAS ALSO EVERY OTHER FALCONER DIDNT KNOW **** COMPARED TO HIM AN ABSOLUTE *****, IM GONA TRACK DOWN HIS WEBSITE AGAIN N IL POST IT UP

[HunterPaul]

not an attack on you mate...your lesson has been learned ...and well done for having the guts to post up your mistake on the site so others may not be taken in by these cockroaches.... your talking to someone who when he first went to london gave a geezer a grand in apub as deposit etc for a flat...only to turn up and find it was acouncil flat and six other dopey ******** were trying to move in a thousand pounds lighter....whats the address in leeds ill get a couple of lads to go over and give him a kicking....

[Blaze]

not an attack on you mate...your lesson has been learned ...and well done for having the guts to post up your mistake on the site so others may not be taken in by these cockroaches.... your talking to someone who when he first went to london gave a geezer a grand in apub as deposit etc for a flat...only to turn up and find it was acouncil flat and six other dopey ******** were trying to move in a thousand pounds lighter....whats the address in leeds ill get a couple of lads to go over and give him a kicking....
I KNOW A FEW GYPSYS FROM LONDON WHO I GOT TO KNOW THROUGH THE DOGS THEY WOULD COME UP N TORTURE HIM AND TAKE ALL HIS BIRDS FOR SUMAT TO DO, BUT HE'L GET WHATS COMING TO HIM THE LITTLE KNOB JOCKEY HE GIVES THE SPORT A BAD NAME

[HunterPaul]

I cant imagine he has a great deal to do with the sport...and he is just one on a long growing list of unscrupulous ******s trying to make a fast buck from unknowing and maybe too trusting people... that is why places like this are so good we can bring these people out into full view and avoid them like the bird flu...maybe there should be a blacklist section for breeders on here and it might make a few of the bad ones pull their socks up or **** off out of it when they find that they cant sell there birds so freely...
my personal recomendation for a good breeder is a guy in herts called ray mateer....bought birds from him without a seconds bother and the guy couldnt be more helpful if you knew where he'd hidden the body.... only takes cod, and has a list as long as your arm of ppl to buy his birds...I couldnt speak more highly of the man ...but dont go to him if you know nowt about the sport cos in his eyes you are representing him when that bird is up and flying.... and youll go home with nothing...

[Blaze]

I cant imagine he has a great deal to do with the sport...and he is just one on a long growing list of unscrupulous ******s trying to make a fast buck from unknowing and maybe too trusting people... that is why places like this are so good we can bring these people out into full view and avoid them like the bird flu...maybe there should be a blacklist section for breeders on here and it might make a few of the bad ones pull their socks up or **** off out of it when they find that they cant sell there birds so freely...
my personal recomendation for a good breeder is a guy in herts called ray mateer....bought birds from him without a seconds bother and the guy couldnt be more helpful if you knew where he'd hidden the body.... only takes cod, and has a list as long as your arm of ppl to buy his birds...I couldnt speak more highly of the man ...but dont go to him if you know nowt about the sport cos in his eyes you are representing him when that bird is up and flying.... and youll go home with nothing...
THAT SHOULD BE HOW THEY ALL ARE TO MAKE SURE THE INDIVIDUAL KNOWS AND FULLY UNDERSTANDS AT LEAST THE BASICS OF OWNING A BIRD OF PREY BEFORE THEY HAND IT OVER

[Legion]

Like the idea of a list of breeders..... GOOD & BAD, it would save newbies & others from making expensive mistakes, there's also a chance it could put a few of the DODGEY dealers out of business.............

[Fires59]

hi all, must have ben lucky as got my bird from the guy you have been chatting about got his number from the new ibr magazine, nerver paid a bid deposit and went down a few times to see my bird, before collecting her. HHas been a very good bird so far so maybe was just lucky:)

[Blaze]

hi all, must have ben lucky as got my bird from the guy you have been chatting about got his number from the new ibr magazine, nerver paid a bid deposit and went down a few times to see my bird, before collecting her. HHas been a very good bird so far so maybe was just lucky:)
Is that the guy from leeds ?

[Fires59]

yes it was the guy from leeds

[Addi]

probly just happened to buy the bird from a good breeder before TRADING it onto you

[Fires59]

must have got it young then cos it was in the breeding cage from a young age saw it at about 7 weeks old and then again before i picked it up, am nearly positive it was the bird we saw due to the markings he also never had it boxed in his garage like the guy that picked his male hh up the same day

[Talon]

HIS NAME IS TERRY YOUNG :evil: FROM LEEDS IF YOUR IN THE IBR THEY WILL TELL YOU HES NOT TO BE TRUSTED

say no more i know this ****** .a so called breeder...no just a dealer and a dodgey one at that.heard lots of storys
none good.more os less same as yours.

[Blaze]

must have got it young then cos it was in the breeding cage from a young age saw it at about 7 weeks old and then again before i picked it up, am nearly positive it was the bird we saw due to the markings he also never had it boxed in his garage like the guy that picked his male hh up the same day
I think the guy who picked the male up was my mate.........When we got there the male was in a box in his garage first time we saw it..........The thing was he messed us about so much we just wanted the birds we had paid for....I honestly thought we wouldnt get them....We started just turning up at his house cos he wouldnt answer phone.........Anyway got the birds in the end im chuffed to bits with her..........Also when i picked her up from his so called brothers house she weighed 1lb 14oz,her keel bone was sharp and i knew she wasn't at aviary weight,so i fed her up for a week got her to 2lb 6oz absolute *****..............No sorry im the ***** for being too trusting!

[Talon]

blade your no ***** for being trusting.
hes the ***** for for giving breeders a bad rep.
i know a lad who had the same problem.with this terry.
he payed his deposite on the bird
and couldnt seem to get a answer.when he could collect it so after
a lot of messing around just turned up at his house and demanded his bird
or money back. hope bird turns out to be a good one and all ends well.
the person were on abouts his brothers is called wayn if im not mistaken.

it should be john wayn as there both a pair of cowboys..

[Talon]

sorry blaze ..i put blade........

[Blaze]

blade your no ***** for being trusting.
hes the ***** for for giving breeders a bad rep.
i know a lad who had the same problem.with this terry.
he payed his deposite on the bird
and couldnt seem to get a answer.when he could collect it so after
a lot of messing around just turned up at his house and demanded his bird
or money back. hope bird turns out to be a good one and all ends well.
the person were on abouts his brothers is called wayn if im not mistaken.

it should be john wayn as there both a pair of cowboys..
That is exactly what he did to me n my mate.....The ibr bloke told me he had been accused of bird theft as well........Im digging his address out so i can post it up so nobody on here can be taken in by him.....Nice one Talon!

[Fires59]

sorry to hear about it blaze and for your mate, ..it happens you think you can trust people as you go by your standards and this is what they do to you. But then we sound as if we both have good birds now just got to look forward and not recommend them

[Blaze]

Yeah im happy with my bird 5 kills out of 7 outings im over the moon..........Good luck with yours mate F59

[Fires59]

at the end of the day they have good homes mines doing really well and hunting very well so we both have done well out of it eventually:)