Post perches

[Barbary Boy]

are any of you out there using these new high level post perches?i have seen a couple with goses on them but they look like a modern version of a screen perch!are they any good?do you need to be around 24/7? are they safe? any good for falcons? they look easy enough to make i fancy trying one, what do people think i dont know.look forward to your input cheers, b/b

[Tr1gger]

My personal opinion is that i dont like them. I dont trust them. I havnt really seen people use them much though im sure there are people that do.

[Barbary Boy]

thats what i thought but the people ive seen using them have been established .experienced falconers?

[Tr1gger]

I think it personal prefrence really. I know that personally i wouldnt use them

[Mary Quite Contrary]

are any of you out there using these new high level post perches?i have seen a couple with goses on them but they look like a modern version of a screen perch!are they any good?do you need to be around 24/7? are they safe? any good for falcons? they look easy enough to make i fancy trying one, what do people think i dont know.look forward to your input cheers, b/b



They make your bird steady and are a very useful alternative.
Brilliant for manning nervous birds to dogs and people.
The bird feels much more secure on a higher perch.
Buy one or make your own as there are no dangers for the bird as long as the jess length is short.Around 5 inches.

[Barbary Boy]

im still not convinced, they havent removed any of the old screen perch hazards, have they?

[Mary Quite Contrary]

im still not convinced, they havent removed any of the old screen perch hazards, have they?

There are no hazards with the perch.As long as the bird learns how to regain its perch, there isnt a problem. The birds learns this within the first day. With
the correct length jesses no impertus for the bate can be achieved. Also the bird is very unlikely to bate because of the height. I have placed a falcon fresh out of the aviary (2 weeks) on top of one of theses when my club had there summer BBQ and the bird was still and content.

A screen perch hasnt as many dangers if correctly done as some make out.

[Wightwings]

im still not convinced, they havent removed any of the old screen perch hazards, have they?

what are these then????

[Bird_Dog]

Post perches can break secondaries. This usually happens with bird inexperience with the perch during the first year. They'll hang for a while and flap against the post before righting themselves. You can prevent it by wraping the post with foam or a towel.

-- BIRD_DOG

[Shaun Byrne]

I've had 2 MHH on home made posts for about 5 months now. Both feather perfect and very steady on them. They are left weathering on them for hours at a time without incident.

[Wightwings]

well said H.....its all down to the falconer and conditionoing and control.........you can get problems with ALL types of perch from bow to shelf if the birds are not used to them....

[HawkMan69UK]

wouldent be without one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HawkNorth]

show us a pick thanks

[Barbary Boy]

are people using these only when supervised?or are they leaving birds unattended at times? if left it is only a matter of time before dissaster strikes!

[HawkMan69UK]

is 2 seasons without insident enough bb http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/darkbluefalcon/Picture079.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/darkbluefalcon/miasunbathing.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/darkbluefalcon/582301b9.jpg

[HawkMan69UK]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/darkbluefalcon/hawkpost.gif

[LeighJauncey]

Excellent pics - sure looks comfortable!

[HawkNorth]

excellant pics is it revolving

[HawkMan69UK]

not this one my other one revloves its based on a washing line post intead of a fixed base

[Barbary Boy]

excellent picture! point taken, but! what happens when your not there?they have the same issues as screen perches, im not happy with pole perches and would only use one if i was actually sitting watching the bird, it seems to me that screen perches have virtually(hopefully)been a thing of the past for some time ! but maybe the new generation of falconers ,looking for innovation are reserecting certain things long disgarded as unsuitable? as an afterthought! maybe its because the recent influx of falconers have been brought up on modern books were screen perches arnt even mentioned?all i ask is please be wary!

[Wightwings]

you still havent justified your comments BB...i have yet to have a problem with a screen perch........or a pole.............or a waller...........or a post.............or a bow.............or a shelf.........used em all so WHAT are the traditional problems ????? oooh yes and with all birds have been left for long periods unsupervised

[Barbary Boy]

you have been lucky, all the perches you mention have thier advantages and work really well 99.9% of the time. but what if your away from the bird for any length of time and it takes ill, or it gets tangled?with a traditional bow,block or other, the bird has the ability to lie on the ground,with some of these high perches they would hang off and probably die! please dont misunderstand me use them at your peril but this type of perch was generally dissregarded 25yrs ago in this country with good reason.YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

[Wightwings]

thanks i stay awak tonight worrying about that then..;-)

[OutFlying]

I and everyone I fly with uses a screen perch with their p/r goshawks, never had a problem. A fit and healthy gos won't die on one, that's why you need to be able to judge your hawks condition. You wouldn't place a hawk that looked unwell on one, but why would a healthy hawk die on one ?

At the moment my imprint gos is weathered on a bowperch and at night is on a perch as described in Emma Ford's book for accipters.

Jim.

[HawkMan69UK]

same with mine jim day time post or bow// every night bow perch.... i would never put an unfit hawk on one or an ill bird.. my advantage is someone at home most of the day........... as for the new breed of falconers not knowing old ways of falconry i make a point of knowing the history and practices of our sport... old ways have there plus and minus and so do new innovations you just have to make your own judgements and what is best for your own situation and your own birds:)

[Gary.B]

How much leash do you give between the top of the post and the swivel?

[Shaun Byrne]

How much leash do you give between the top of the post and the swivel?

None Gary, the swivel is pulled tight up to the post.

[Gary.B]

Thanks Hawka I'm getting the picture at last.

[Shaun Byrne]

Thanks Hawka I'm getting the picture at last.

Thats the beauty of them Gary. The bird only has the length of its jesses for slack. In theory they cant hang or even bate off the post.

[Musket]

Has anyone used the Roundperch/Waller perch ? Am I behind the times or have i missed something , this kind of perch can be made to accomidate the breed/size of your hawk . I will try and post photos/drawings of this perch. the roundperch is made along the same lines as the post perch.

[Barbary Boy]

here we go again?please read my thread "screen perches"

[Musket]

opp's that's what happens when you join a threed half way through and a tin or two on a sat night

[Musket]

BB my grand-dad used roundperches for years, without any problems that i am aware off, although that was 30 years ago but if it was safe for him and his hawks??????so... but with one thought in mind, your hawk/falcon must allways come first

[HawkNorth]

None Gary, the swivel is pulled tight up to the post.

What way do you secure the leash

[HawkNorth]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/darkbluefalcon/hawkpost.gif
HawkMan69UK i made the hawkpost yesterday what is your method for securing the leash thanks

[Barbary Boy]

hope this helps the guy enquiring about them?

[HawkEagle]

with the perch in question, how can the bird come down to drink or bath?

[Minty]

I am sorry to discuss this with you so late in the hour but i must say that pole/tower perches are a splendid invention.I have never had a problem with mine since i have had it.
I can not see the Dangers at all from using it unless one does not Fill the Tower enough with heavy material.

I support them. The only Downside is if you use them indoors they do tend to poop rather high.
But in general i think they are a good idea

Regards

[Tarqers]

i had a blacksmith make me the round perch out of a hawk for the bush,my gos gary(irony) loved it but it was a dirty thing,i use now a solid screen at waiste hieght,imagine a 4foot by 4foot shelf at waist hieght come in 12" from the back and fix a peice of 8*2 but this has a fixed slide and ring running front to back,hugging the 8*2,fill the shelf with silver sand in front and behind the 8*2 and away you go,no feather damage and never makin in over bird.easy to clean and storage under,give it a go your,ll love it,i was so impressed i bought the company.,,,tarqs

[OutFlying]

I use something very similar but use a scaffolding plank covered in soft astroturf for the perch. This is on a shelf 4 foot off the ground.

Jim.

[Tarqers]

I use something very similar but use a scaffolding plank covered in soft astroturf for the perch. This is on a shelf 4 foot off the ground.

Jim.
just seem to be uneventful, and the old back not what it used to be,and i reckon it cuts down manning time,,,,tarqs

[Palmer]

Can anybody else post some pics?
I would like to make 1. Do you need a totally smooth post?
Do you need astro-turf all around it?

[Jack Merlin]

with the perch in question, how can the bird come down to drink or bath?

I haven't seen an answer to this question.

So, presumably the hawk cannot get to a bath or to drink from a post perch?

My guess is it would therefore be illegal under the proposed Animal Welfare legislation on this point.

Any comments?

A lot of the old designs were fine for falconers in the past when labour was cheap, but times have changed.

[Palmer]

If you teatherd the bird in his aviary with a bath (on a bow) would that be ok? So the only time he wouldn't have a bath would be when he was teatherd outside ( on a post perch).

[HawkMan69UK]

bathing is done in the morning or after the hunt then she is back up on the pole....but to be honest now and probebly for the last 2 months of the hunting season she was free lofted i would not recomend this for every ones birds but mine do well on it.....as a manning tool it is excelent but you have to supervise

[Palmer]

bathing is done in the morning or after the hunt then she is back up on the pole....but to be honest now and probebly for the last 2 months of the hunting season she was free lofted i would not recomend this for every ones birds but mine do well on it.....as a manning tool it is excelent but you have to supervise


Mate could you give me some advice on post perches?
Do you think you could aanswer my questions above please:roll: :heart:

[HawkMan69UK]

sky that set up seem ok but if your unsure can you not move the bow outside sometimes.....after mia baths drinks she would always look for the higher perch anyhow so the transition was easy try and put a pic up mate

[Palmer]

i mean the questions above that mate soz should of made that clear:oops: .

But cheers anyway. I am looking into makeing a post perch.

[HawkMan69UK]

post 15 and sixteen on this thread mate:lol:

[Yarak1]

I've had 2 MHH on home made posts for about 5 months now. Both feather perfect and very steady on them. They are left weathering on them for hours at a time without incident.

So how do they reach their bath water then? And are they always supervised or left alone for hours?

Raptor posts or screens should only be used with supervision in case the bird bates and cannot regain the perch, it is left hanging upside down and within a few hours it is dead.....And yes it has happened and resulted in the birds death.............

[Adam Barrett]

Why would a fit and healthy hawk not be able to regain its perch?
Yours
Adam

[HawkMan69UK]

So how do they reach their bath water then? And are they always supervised or left alone for hours?

Raptor posts or screens should only be used with supervision in case the bird bates and cannot regain the perch, it is left hanging upside down and within a few hours it is dead.....And yes it has happened and resulted in the birds death.............i agree with this ..the bird should not be left unsupervised.. and even a fit hawk if not used to this type of perch can hang..ive never used it on an older bird which has been used to a bow so i can not comment on this ive always start with young ones as a part of training /manning regime

[Jack Merlin]

Why would a fit and healthy hawk not be able to regain its perch?
Yours
Adam

Well, it might be able to.

But are your hawks trained to report in when they do not feel well? How long does it take for a hawk to get so sick it cannot regain the perch?

[Palmer]

post 15 and sixteen on this thread mate:lol:


Yea but i mean can you use say part of a tree trunk or does it have to be smooth? Does it need astro turf all around like yours?:confused:

[HawkMan69UK]

it need to be hollow mate so the leash can go through the middle on the top ....then pulled through one of the two holes on the side to be tied off if that makes sence:roll: :rolleyes:

[Palmer]

Perfect.

[Palmer]

So hawkman do you put a pipe so the leash goes through the post easy?

[HawkMan69UK]

i did but it was very complicated mate just make sure the 1 of the 2 holes is big enough to get your fingers in to pull the leash through

[Palmer]

We are going to use wood and drill a hole through it so the leash just slids through. what do you tie the leash to?

[HawkMan69UK]

another hole but if you use a eye then it has to be lower than the actual bird can bate...

[Palmer]

another hole but if you use a eye then it has to be lower than the actual bird can bate...

So he doesn't hit it?

[Palmer]

So how short do you need the jesses throught the other end?

[HawkMan69UK]

first answer yes so he DOES NOT hit it secound answer the jesses have to be the same distance as the diameter of the top to short and legs may brake to long and can put to much strain on the legs when they hang if you have done ot correctly they should not be able to hang just turn and come back up again

[Palmer]

Are there any advantages with ring perches?

[Palmer]

first answer yes so he DOES NOT hit it secound answer the jesses have to be the same distance as the diameter of the top to short and legs may brake to long and can put to much strain on the legs when they hang if you have done ot correctly they should not be able to hang just turn and come back up again

So you want it the length that it can just go off the edge?

[HawkMan69UK]

Are there any advantages with ring perches? you mean the waller....and just touching edge

[Johnny Abbott]

used them for 3yrs now no feather damage what so ever but yes we did have a fhh bate of once and if we hadnt of being there she would have surely of died the jess was the correct length no different to the rest of the hh that we have on the posts just one of those things