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hi all how long should a harris be left on the bow pearch i have a large shed would it be wrong of me to free loft it as soon as i get it it pribible will. i was reading and i got the impresion that it stays on the bow until its jumping to the fist is this wrong. please tell me i dont want to get this wrong
HunterPaul
23-10-2005, 05:20 PM
i wouldnt free loft a bird during the hunting season...this is purely personal and suits me and my bird...with your lack of experience I would not encourage you to free loft the bird....if you insist on freelofting then I would wait till it was hunting confidently.....
RedNoseK9
23-10-2005, 05:20 PM
hi mate
i keep all my birds on the bow during flying season depeneding on if im flying them i would say if you are flying him and intend to hunt with him this year keep him on a bow then loft him to malt just make s things easier for you and the bird. enjoy the sport
Kanati
23-10-2005, 05:30 PM
a lot of people wont free loft until the hawk is killing regularly. I free loft sooner rather then later. I dont like hawks on bows unless its nessesary, so mine go into an aviary once they are tame enough for me to approch them without them even blinking at me... To get to this stage take different amounts of time according to different training styles. My hawks are either with me, or hooded, or sleeping during early training. I am in their life all of the time and they get used to me quickly. Because of that they tame quickly and that allows me to free loft them quickly (or I should say quicker then others may want to do it) I haven't found a negative in their behaviours because I've free lofted them. but I make sure they are as steady as a rock first
I think the idea of leaving it a a while is to prevent them becomming a bit hard to manage and get hold of them at a time when they are still learning? there are bound to be plenty of good reasons for not free lofting early (which I expect are being writen and posted right now :D )
You should be able to 'feel' when its right for you and your hawk. Do it before shes ready and it will be hard work for both of you.
on the other hand....keep your hawk on the bow before shes well manned and steady can result in bad feather damage from all the bateing...especially if you chose the wrong flooring!!!
i was woundering do you keep your hawks on a bow because they carnt or dont know how to fly or jump up to pearches
Kanati
23-10-2005, 05:40 PM
i was woundering do you keep your hawks on a bow because they carnt or dont know how to fly or jump up to pearches
NO....um......just no! :D Can anyone elaberate on that answer! :D
thanks for clearing that up for me k i just didnt know
BFC 007
23-10-2005, 05:45 PM
i was woundering do you keep your hawks on a bow because they carnt or dont know how to fly or jump up to pearches
are you for real?
MickeyDredd
23-10-2005, 05:47 PM
i was woundering do you keep your hawks on a bow because they carnt or dont know how to fly or jump up to pearches
Seco
What do you think the young hawks do in the breeding aviary, lie back on a sun-lounger!??
ok ppl it was a stupid question i know i just was'nt thinking propley
HunterPaul
23-10-2005, 06:41 PM
if they couldnt fly you wouldnt have to bow them down ...youd just leave them there... and when you went in in the morning it would still be there...so there would then be no difference to freelofting them....
Tr1gger
23-10-2005, 07:05 PM
Sry to ask this but how long have u been thinking about getting a bird m8?
And how long hav u been reserching BOP?
MickeyDredd
23-10-2005, 07:09 PM
Sry to ask this but how long have u been thinking about getting a bird m8?
And how long hav u been reserching BOP?
Click on his ID and then find all posts by Seco and you should get a good indication.
FlameHairedFalconer
23-10-2005, 07:09 PM
Sry to ask this but how long have u been thinking about getting a bird m8?
And how long hav u been reserching BOP?
Seriously Tr1gger - just dont go there....! ;) :(
Blaze
23-10-2005, 07:15 PM
Seco dont be embaresed to ask any questions no matter how some people react.........Its better you asking than not to know what to do...........Think of the bird first before anything else........Goodluck in the future
Blaze
23-10-2005, 07:22 PM
Seco dont be embaresed to ask any questions no matter how some people react.........Its better you asking than not to know what to do...........Think of the bird first before anything else........Goodluck in the future
Keep on this forum ask as many questions as you want like a said dont worry how stupid they are.......You must understand the basic needs of a bop.........I researched talked to people,bought books did a course and after approx 2 years making sure i was pretty confident and new the basics i got one........I still have silly little things i dont know........Please make sure your 101 %
HunterPaul
23-10-2005, 07:24 PM
if he was asking these vquestions and there wasnt a bird arriving in 2 weeks then I would be right there with you blaze...but a bird will be in his hands in a couple of weeks...and these are questions he should have had answered bfore deciding to even get a bird...
FlameHairedFalconer
23-10-2005, 07:28 PM
Seco dont be embaresed to ask any questions no matter how some people react.........Its better you asking than not to know what to do...........Think of the bird first before anything else........Goodluck in the future
Blaze - check out Secos previous posts and threads and his current on 'is it big enough lol'
FHF
Blaze
23-10-2005, 07:29 PM
if he was asking these vquestions and there wasnt a bird arriving in 2 weeks then I would be right there with you blaze...but a bird will be in his hands in a couple of weeks...and these are questions he should have had answered bfore deciding to even get a bird...
Totaly agree with you.......Thats why i said he shouldnt be embaresed to ask id rather him ask than to think ******** to them......The thing is although none of us advice him to get a bird yet if hes that type of person he'l get one no matter what........Just want him to ask rather than the bird sat threre suffering.......My advice to you seco is please think of the birds welfare first than your own impatiance
i said i will be geting a bird if the pearson in question will keep it for me but if he doesnt then i would have to look else wear
sorry mate but have to agree with hunterpaul hold off gettin a bird until you know for sure what you are doing
Tr1gger
23-10-2005, 07:33 PM
I totally agree with u thier blaze their is nothing wrong with getting a bird, but i've seen far to many people jumping out and getting a bird, then thinking "hang on so how many times do i feed" etc now im not saying that Seco doesnt know these sort of things but i think that u should research, work with birds etc for about a year in advance before even considering if u should get a bird or not.
Blaze
23-10-2005, 07:37 PM
Im not advicing him to get a bird TOTALY THE OPPOSITE what im trying to say is...ok let me put it like this you can't educate pork........If someones going to do summat no matter how much you try n tell them they'l just do it anyway .........If he does get one or should i say when he gets one would you rather he dosent come on the forum and just guess as to what is best for the bird.......Im thinking of the bird nothing else
HunterPaul
23-10-2005, 07:42 PM
I* know where your coming from blaze...but you really do have to spell it out....the problem is...that when he gets the bird after being advised not to will he take the advice given to him then...peoples patience can only run to so thin before one gives up on him...and the bird Im afraid is condemned....
ppl you have me wrong ppl think am not ready but i know iam everything is in place an i will look after the bird as to the best of my ability .so can ppl stop saying it will die because it wont av done it before an i can do it agen if you dont bleave me its your problem not mine but thanks to all the ppl who have and will help me
Blaze
23-10-2005, 07:48 PM
I* know where your coming from blaze...but you really do have to spell it out....the problem is...that when he gets the bird after being advised not to will he take the advice given to him then...peoples patience can only run to so thin before one gives up on him...and the bird Im afraid is condemned....
God only knows mate........Like you said theres only so much you can do
HunterPaul
23-10-2005, 07:49 PM
ok ....... good luck mate.....
Blaze
23-10-2005, 07:50 PM
God only knows mate........Like you said theres only so much you can do
Thats just it seco it seems you dont have the ability
you dont know me and i know i can do this iv done it before an can do it agen if nobody wants to help me on my way thats fine by them and am going to be helped by someone who has a harris by mine
HunterPaul
23-10-2005, 07:56 PM
you dont know me and i know i can do this iv done it before an can do it agen if nobody wants to help me on my way thats fine by them and am going to be helped by someone who has a harris by mine
as i said ..all the best..I really mean it...
JFSeaman
23-10-2005, 07:58 PM
Secco, how old was your bird when you got it?
seco look mate people are trying to help you but you dont seems to want to take this advice if you already know what your doing why ask the questions that are giving off the impression that you dont know what your doing ?
Blaze
23-10-2005, 07:58 PM
At least you made an effort & tryed educating him hunterpaul respect to you for that
Tr1gger
23-10-2005, 08:00 PM
Yes seco do u hav the ability? Im not goin to sugar coat this, from what i've read on the forum it appears u are no where no ready. SO wat hav u done before and if u hav done it then y did u not no that the bird was goin to be able to fly when you got it?
You hav to think that if u get a harris then u are commmited, u hav that bird for 25+ years.
jfs hi i dont have a bird at the mo
to all others i had a silly MOMENT thats all stop going on about it and i am comited to that bird when ever i get it and i try my best at every thing i do thats why its hard for me stand down to a chalange but its not that i dont respect you all
Tr1gger
23-10-2005, 08:07 PM
U hav to understand that when someone says im getting a bird in 2 weeks and then has a "silly moment" that it is goin to raise question to ur ability.
But Seco what experience do u hav with birds that u mentioned in ur preivious post?
Tr1gger
23-10-2005, 08:19 PM
I sry seco but this is serious. do not ignore the advice the many experinced people are giving u. When there are so many people saying the same thing surly u should listen to them?
If you reckon that you have done this before, why ask these sort of questions, i would like too know what type of diet you are going to feed it on.
Have you got all the equipment that is needed and and hunting and flying ground or do you just want this as another fashion statement for your mates.
I breed snakes and see so many people buy these things and dont have the first clue in how to look after these. When i sell a snake to people i give as much after care as i can but you can only give so much advice, if people dont want to listen theni suppose thats up to them, but when they phone and say that their snake has died it must have been ill i can ask questions on how it has been kept.
Do you see where i am coming from ? good people with very good advice are trying to help you and wishing you all the best, but you realy should wait and find a good breeder. Start looking in april, may time, and pick the bird up august, september, this will give you more time to find out everything that you need to know. It will also give you enough time to train and hunt the bird. Please dont buy one of these on impulse as they are very special.
right spent the last hour talking to this lad (seco) offere to breed him a young female next yr he was all up for it then suddenly oh my mate can get me a 05 female harris for 200 quid ill get that
sorry if im going to offend ppl but this lad aint got a clue and i have tried but to no avail my 1 and only concern is the bird
Kanati
23-10-2005, 10:36 PM
i know that everyone is trying to help seco's bird with the various advice thats being given...but I dont think going on and on about seco not haveing a clue is going to help. He is going to start (probably already has) getting really ****ed off with everyone having a go at him.
I admit it doesnt sound like he knows too much and maybe he really shouldnt get a hawk for a good long while, but getting his back up will just make him take less and less of your advice. He says he has heard you and you have got to believe that he has, and then hope that he takes the advice. If eveyone has his future birds health and well being at heart then everyone will continue to give advice when it is asked for and leave it at that.
If I was getting the hassle that he is, I would stop asking questions...and that would be a very bad thing in this case!
So for the sake of seco's future bird...let him ask questions and give him useful answers...then STOP and wait for the next question.
PeelsBells
23-10-2005, 10:39 PM
Seco i have been reading the threads What the hell are you playing at? Just listen to people and you will learn, take advice what comes your way and just wait for a couple of seasons. I waited 2 years to get my first harris and i still make mistakes now and a lot of them. If you need some one to take you out i will spend some time with you but not with your own bird as you are not ready and you are not being far to the bird.
And as for my mate can get me a female harris for £200 all you are doing is buying someones elses mistakes or some one who is selling a bird, which mite i add been fed on **** for all of its life. The person doent give a monkeys who he sells the bird to. Be real to your self !!!!!!!!!!!
kanati so whats the best thing to do let some one who seems not to know what they are doing get a bird and then something happens with that bird that puts falconry in the spot light ? thats all the sport needs
Kanati
23-10-2005, 10:49 PM
kanati so whats the best thing to do let some one who seems not to know what they are doing get a bird and then something happens with that bird that puts falconry in the spot light ? thats all the sport needs
Its better if he doesnt get a bird at all...I know...but how are you going to stop him? You cant make him do anything!... and having a go all the time will make him listen to you less. Isnt it better to accept that he is going to get a bird (because its clear that he is!) and do your very best to help? If your answer to this is yes... the best way to help him is NOT to hassle him and put him down, and DO give advice when its asked for. Other wise he will take even less advice then he is now and who can blame him?
He may ask stupid questions...but better to ask stupid ones then to not ask any!
As The Falcon Her Bells
23-10-2005, 10:53 PM
I totally agree with Kanati, If Seco has decided to get a bird and whatever we say will not change his mind, swearing and being funny with him will do no good. We cant stop him from getting a bird so is it not better then to try to advice the best we can?
I have already PM him to offer my help in any way ore form, as I hope in the long run that will be better for him and his bird then to let him stand on his own not having a clue what to do.
As The Falcon Her Bells
23-10-2005, 10:54 PM
Sorry for repiting your post ther Kanati, I moist have wrote it at the same time as you :)
yes i agree but isnt it best to try and talk him round to our way of thinking i offered him a bird next year and told him that once he had the bird i would help him as much as possible but it just seems to me that all it is with him is my mate does this and does that and ill do the same and be ok
UKJay's Nursey
23-10-2005, 11:08 PM
i,m with the majority here and believe seco should wait a while before he gets a bird, a lot of things dont make sense and dont really add up imo:confused:
if seco has had the experience he said with his mates bird surely he would have learnt about the bow perch and when and why its used.
even reading up in books will teach you the basics and start you in the right direction,even finding another falconer in your area and asking to go along with them would benefit you.
can i just ask aswell do you know why your mate can get you a female harris for £200?? do you know if its in good health ? who the breeder is ? these and more should be taken into consideration. Also why do you specifically want a female?
Sorry to go on but i still think you should wait and get a lil more experience first
Kanati
23-10-2005, 11:14 PM
yes i agree but isnt it best to try and talk him round to our way of thinking i offered him a bird next year and told him that once he had the bird i would help him as much as possible but it just seems to me that all it is with him is my mate does this and does that and ill do the same and be ok
Yes Mick...it is best to talk him round...and thats what everyone did (in various posts in various threads) but it didn't work. Hes keen as! and a bird from you next year sounds great to you and me...but we have got birds...between now and next year we can fly them when we want to. go hunting when we feel like it. He wants to go hunting tomorrow too. he wants to go to field meets and show off his new bird and show off how good it is! Next year to him is a bloody life time away! When you start and you think you are ready (regardless of whether you are or not) all you want is that first bird. He wants it and hes going to have it! In seco's case it apears to be a bad choice, but as I said before...You cant stop him.
You must remember how much you wanted your first bird...I expect everyone does...now he thinks hes ready...and he intends to get that first bird as soon as he can. All we can all do is back him up...be there if and when he gets it wrong and hope he does it right!
Kanati
23-10-2005, 11:17 PM
Sorry for repiting your post ther Kanati, I moist have wrote it at the same time as you :)
no worries...at least you agree with me... :D
kanati yes it seems along time to wait to newbies but if you are doing things properly you go out hunting with others go to club meets and so on u dont just jump in feet first i wanted my first bird so much but still had to wait for 3 ye for mine
Ninja-Jon
23-10-2005, 11:20 PM
My personal opinion is leave him and let him get on with it let him do as he wants most of you have offered good advice and by the sounds of it he is not takeing the slightest bit of notice of any of you. I know its sad for the welfare of the BOP but how many BOP'S are out there in the hands of inexperienced people. majority of newbies that join the forum like myself take the advice of the more experencied .........
Kanati
23-10-2005, 11:23 PM
kanati yes it seems along time to wait to newbies but if you are doing things properly you go out hunting with others go to club meets and so on u dont just jump in feet first i wanted my first bird so much but still had to wait for 3 ye for mine
I know...but in his head...hes done it before and knows what hes doing and IS ready... he doesnt think hes jumping in feet first. Even though everyone else can see that he is
OutFlying
24-10-2005, 12:01 AM
Another complete ****** that doesn't have a clue. This lets hold his hand and give him help attitude is ********. He isn't ready and shouldn't own a hawk.........................Full stop......................
Ninja-Jon
24-10-2005, 12:05 AM
LOL but hey it's true respect goes out to you for speaking your mind........
Stephen
24-10-2005, 12:20 AM
is the harris you are trying to catch the one your getting
MickeyDredd
24-10-2005, 09:11 AM
is the harris you are trying to catch the one your getting
Only if his "mate" catches it first and sells it to him for 200 quid!!
PeelsBells
24-10-2005, 09:52 AM
After reading these posts the Americans have got it right.
Once we have an apprenticeship over here the better.
Maybe we will all learn a thing or two???
Everyone is jumping on the band wagon (Fox Hunt Lads , The Running Dogs Lads) this sport is on the slippery slope and its only time before we have a bad name.!!!!!!!!!!
HunterPaul
24-10-2005, 10:34 AM
about 12 o clock today if this is anything to go by...the time for us is not slipping away ...it is on a locomotive .....
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