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Seco

23-10-2005, 06:24 PM

HunterPaul

23-10-2005, 06:30 PM

you pm,d me and sked for some help which I was more than willing to give ...my first piece of advice would be to hold off on getting a bird just yet...I really cannot be a party to this...so please do not think mI am being a **** by withdrawing the offer of help.... keep posting and I will help if I can indirectly on the forum... but that is as far as I can extend it ...seco I am sorry...not for you but the bird you are going to recieve.... no more pms please!!!!

BFC 007

23-10-2005, 06:41 PM

i think a pm is on its way mate :wink:

HunterPaul

23-10-2005, 06:47 PM

seco mate...the experienced person who is going to help you...should be telling you what I am telling you ....dont get a bird yet....you didnt know up untill 5 mins ago that the bird could actually fly when you got it....please please wait..... you have too much to learn, before getting a bird....I will answer all your pms here on the forum from now on so peeps if it doesnt make sense this is why.....

Moses

23-10-2005, 07:00 PM

hi all i just bourght a shed for a harris that i am expecting is it big enough its 8ft long by 6ft wide and i dont know wether to put a double door system on the insode or the outside . iam thinking of puting pea gravel gown as floor covering but can you help how would i fit pearches to the side of the shed with out puting holes in the side of it because i dont want to put unesseary holes in the shed because it will caurse a draft in the shed . and do you think i shouldput a nest or sleeping box in the shed.

mate i thought of the 8x6 for an emergecy mew for a month or so , is this the one from b&q for a 100.00 quid

mate if u r gonna use it the wooden floor get it cut out but leave the sides to support the wooden walls and fill it with pea gravel and best put the shed on top of a concrete base easily to clean and if u leave the wooden floor inside it may cause alot of bacteria coz u cant clean it properly and the pea gravel and concrete base can easily be washed away and the pea gravel is cheap to replace

and if its the one with the 2 or 3 windows u need to take them plastic windows out and replace it with some overflow plastic pipes like in adrians book or some bamboo to suit

check out other peoples mews u will have an idea, most of all take pauls advice

MickeyDredd

23-10-2005, 07:04 PM

most of all take pauls advice

Yes Seco, DO NOT GET A HAWK YET, YOU ARE NOT READY!!

Nero

23-10-2005, 07:36 PM

Im sorry seco, but why wont you listen to people that obviously know more about bops than we do. I could have had a hh this year, infact i was meant to pick it up in september, i even paid a £50 deposit. I could have started training with a person that would have taken me out every day as long as i could make it. I moved houses so i couldnt take him up on the offer, but now i have moved and settled in i am going to start real soon.
The first thing that i was told was to go and find enough hunting ground and have it in writing. Then start the training, then make sure you have enough space for a mews and that you have everything in place before you even think of getting a bop. Sorry but from what i have read you seem to have done everything the wrong way.
You have been given sound advice and you seem to be rubbing peoples noses in it by doing the exact opposite.
I hope the person that you are getting your bird from has a clear conscience and that he knows that you are well trained, as i can see another bird going to the worms.
Sorry if i have this wrong but that is how it seems to me.

Blaze

23-10-2005, 07:41 PM

I had everything in place 6 months before i got my bird.......The shed had freezer lights bow sat in right place the lot

Shaun Byrne

23-10-2005, 08:13 PM

Another bird about to be ****ed up and flogged on!!!!

Tr1gger

23-10-2005, 08:17 PM

I afraid to say u might b right

Tr1gger

23-10-2005, 08:19 PM

I sry seco but this is serious. do not ignore the advice the many experinced people are giving u. When there are so many people saying the same thing surly u should listen to them?

Coedhirion

24-10-2005, 12:05 AM

This is the first thread I have read on this subject and get the feeling there may be more.
You MUST have built a good place to put the bird during the winter, A good place to put the bird to molt in summer. A 6' x 8' shed in summer is realy not suitable, and where will you put the bird when you clean that shed out at the end of the summer???
You need access to a FEW 100 acres or more of quality hunting land. Preferably 6 days a week free to fly the bird. ALL the equipment, scales, freezer etc. Plus at least one very experienced falconer near at hand, who will come to help you cast the bird or assist with any of the other problems that WILL crop up. Then you need to have read ALL the books.
When ALL this is in place, then you can think about getting a bird. BUT PLEASE not before. All the best

Tim Laycock

24-10-2005, 12:32 AM

Another bird about to be ****ed up and flogged on!!!!

With slight modification, this would make a good signature it applys to a good many on here!

HunterPaul

24-10-2005, 09:34 AM

DeathFromAbove

24-10-2005, 10:29 AM

Is this guy for real or is he just winding us all up for fun? sounds to me as tho he's a kid with his heart set on his new 'Toy' and is stamping his feet for it, and will only listen to anything that doesn't contradict what he wants. Even a complete novice once having read training birds of prey by jemima will have a better idea than this guy. I'm all for helping people out but how can you help someone who refuses to listen unless it's what he wants to hear.

DeathFromAbove

24-10-2005, 10:30 AM

just finished building a brick wall in my back garden any of you guys on the thread can come along and use it at any time day or night....just ask me to move across as I may be in the way banging my head against it.... but more than happy to make some room....

will be round later mate, a brew and a space by your wall would be appreciated hehe

ChrisRobbo

24-10-2005, 11:44 AM

sad so see this happening so much!! A bird of prey is a serious commitment that believe me has its bad bits as well as the good. Obviously i feel the good far out way the bad but not everyone feels this way. I have just received a fhh as the person felt he no longer had the time available (after around 5 weeks from getting the bird). The bird has a lovely temperament but the training that she has received so far is not up to what i would like. The previous owner lost her twice within a couple of weeks. Her tail feathers are appauling the tips are demolished with a couple missing. This where she has been bouncing off the wire window. At least the avairy was pretty big at around 12ft by 10ft by 8ft. Although there where several rabbit carcasses with maggets in them. The owner had also been feeding her beef from a joint for a week. She seemed to have very watery mutes and be very heavy with a empty crop. Although after two chicks she seemed to have a bit more coulour in her mutes later in the day. The bird after the two chicks weighed 3lb 1 3/4 oz. The owner flew her at around 2lb 4oz. Anyway i will post this seperately as i hope to illustrate this very point and to show u that this bird has had a very fortunate escape. It may seem people are harsh on newbies but its the bird that is at heart and if you truly want one a year of preperation is a small amount to pay and shows commitment.

Kanati

24-10-2005, 11:47 AM

just finished building a brick wall in my back garden any of you guys on the thread can come along and use it at any time day or night....just ask me to move across as I may be in the way banging my head against it.... but more than happy to make some room....

You are a tad too far away for me to warrent going to you for the use of your wall...but I will be there at heart while I hit my head on my own wall...thanks for the offer though HP. :D

Tr1gger

24-10-2005, 04:35 PM

I could use a brick wall. Seco just wont listen to anybody, yet when he has something he needs to know im sure everbody that has contributed will get a PM with the title HELP!!!

Legion

24-10-2005, 05:01 PM

Hi all,
Seco r u MAD ?????? . i first started looking into getting a bop about 6 months ago, the first thing i did was to read falconry for beginners. From that moment on i understood that its not like buying a dog or cat , or even a budgie or a parrot where u can leave them be and throw in a little food as and when needed. The commitment needed to take care of a bop amazed me at first but after reading just 1 book i knew that for me at least this will be a 24 - 36 month learning curve till i believe i can give what it takes to get the most out of these amazing creatures. Buy more books go to meets and talk to people, thats what i intend on doing..... its the only way you are going to enjoy the sport........... YOU WONT ENJOY GOING OUT WITH A BIRD THAT CANT PERFORM.............
( this is also true about the non-feathered bird...LOL )

please listen and learn

MattSpar

24-10-2005, 05:30 PM

.....fill it with pea gravel and best put the shed on top of a concrete base easily to clean and if u leave the wooden floor inside it may cause alot of bacteria coz u cant clean it properly and the pea gravel and concrete base can easily be washed away and the pea gravel is cheap to replace

The disadvantage of using pea shingle is that it causes blunting of the talons. I used to wonder why my harris's and goss's quarry was able to free itself from their clutches more than I would have liked, till I realised this was the reason. I no longer use pea shingle in anything other than breeding aviaries. Has no-one else experienced this?

Tim Laycock

24-10-2005, 06:41 PM

What do you use then?

MattSpar

24-10-2005, 06:49 PM

My own preference is for washed sharp sand, and no, before anyone asks, I have not had any cases of abrasion between leg and anklet using this. I should add that I avoid sand adhering to the birds food by not feeding them in the weatherings.

Tim Laycock

24-10-2005, 07:08 PM

And what would you suggest for a shed in which a hawk was going to be freelofted in?

MattSpar

24-10-2005, 07:41 PM

As I don't freeloft my own birds, I'm afraid it IS just a suggestion, but I'd use sharp sand there too. An advantage of using this is that it's easily sieved to remove any accumulated rubbish. Can't think of any disadvantage offhand. As I've said, I only use pea shingle in my aviaries, and to forestall the inevitable question "Why?", I have to say I haven't the faintest idea. Habit, I suppose.

Moses

26-10-2005, 11:16 AM

The disadvantage of using pea shingle is that it causes blunting of the talons. I used to wonder why my harris's and goss's quarry was able to free itself from their clutches more than I would have liked, till I realised this was the reason. I no longer use pea shingle in anything other than breeding aviaries. Has no-one else experienced this?

mate i used to think it was a good idea using sand i saw a falconry place using it and he said it was easier to clean coz the poo just lies at the top and u can clean it easily

but then i was told its not good if a bird draps his food on the sand its gonna eat the sand along with its food and it can cause problems

cheers

MattSpar

26-10-2005, 06:06 PM

mate i used to think it was a good idea using sand i saw a falconry place using it and he said it was easier to clean coz the poo just lies at the top and u can clean it easily

but then i was told its not good if a bird draps his food on the sand its gonna eat the sand along with its food and it can cause problems

cheers
If you had troubled yourself to read my previous post, you would have noticed I stated that I avoid sand sticking to the food by the simple expedient of not feeding birds in their weatherings.

Pitbull

26-10-2005, 06:26 PM

i dont know the right terminology but the bop use the gravel to clean there crop, Bob Dalton does actually put six pieces in there food for this purpose, obviously casting along with fur and feather

HunterPaul

26-10-2005, 06:39 PM

its called wrangle...Ive never used it my birds are always put on sand...but if I was freelofting I rthink I would go for shingle ..as freelofting negates my reasons for sand ....

MattSpar

26-10-2005, 06:57 PM

I hate to nit-pick HP (no, I must admit, I thoroughly enjoy it) but it's rangle, not wrangle. Still, lets not rangle over it. Please forgive.

Pitbull

26-10-2005, 07:04 PM

cheers for that i will try to remember

HunterPaul

26-10-2005, 09:26 PM

I hate to nit-pick HP (no, I must admit, I thoroughly enjoy it) but it's rangle, not wrangle. Still, lets not rangle over it. Please forgive.
i dont know what your feeding your bird smart arse...but I put two pairs of the finest jeans in there everyother day and by morning theyre gone and my birds are in great nick..... so keep feeding you Rangle and ill feed mine Wranglers and well see what happens shall we....

Moses

26-10-2005, 09:27 PM

If you had troubled yourself to read my previous post, you would have noticed I stated that I avoid sand sticking to the food by the simple expedient of not feeding birds in their weatherings.

thanks bud, missed that, nice one

Blaze

26-10-2005, 09:55 PM

i dont know what your feeding your bird smart arse...but I put two pairs of the finest jeans in there everyother day and by morning theyre gone and my birds are in great nick..... so keep feeding you Rangle and ill feed mine Wranglers and well see what happens shall we....
PMSL............... F******G NICE ONE

Barbary Boy

26-10-2005, 11:35 PM

i really dont think feeding denim to birds is a good idea they could get ideas above there station and become fashion models, this would not be good for the sport, so come on lads lets be sensable!

HunterPaul

26-10-2005, 11:39 PM

it doesnt matter what your bird is wearing ...are you trying to tell me that all these birds wearing just leather chaps are gay....some maybe but not all so dont jump to conclusions....

Barbary Boy

26-10-2005, 11:45 PM

you bitch!

HunterPaul

26-10-2005, 11:54 PM

you bitch!
lol oh my god lets not make falconry camp ...surely it is the last safe haven ...no shaven haven from all you gay falconers out there...
hey we are in a minority ...if we can get all the gays into falconry ...we would stuff parliament as we could plead victimisation....and we would be so well dressed.... we,d have a use for the rabbit fur too ...under wear

Barbary Boy

27-10-2005, 12:14 AM

i find it iches so?

MattSpar

27-10-2005, 12:41 PM

HunterPaul

27-10-2005, 11:53 PM

no apology needed mattspar it made me laugh my levis off...wouldnt be caught dead in wranglers...wot do you think this is late 70s early 80s...my spelling has gone to pot since starting on here anyway.... I feel im bi lingual...all right all right i know what your gonna say before ive finished writing...