They Are Sick And Thick

[Minty]

I have been fascinated by history all my life and falconry as a method of food has a history that probably is the oldest of all.
In tudor times it was said that you could only have a specific bird according to your status if you where peasant you where only permitted to have a Kestrel and a yeoman a Buzzard from there on in the top squires where permitted to have Goshawks and the ladies of note a Merlin. Both henry V111 had a Goshawk and Elizabeth 1 had a Merlin.
It was so strict that if you used a bird that you where not permitted to fly the minimum for one step uo was to be put in stocks with in some towns your ******** covered in meat for the perticular bird to peck on!!. If however you where a Peasant caught flying a Goshawk the punishment was DEATH! This was due to offcoarse that they where used to hunt for the owners table although having a less efficiant bird was not all bad as it meant that peasants had a healthier diet with vegtables and fruit where as the noble classs had pure meat everyday and regulary contacted scurvy and other lack of Vitiman C deseases.
It is rumoured that the Egyptians first had Falconry which was followed on by the Greeks when Alaxandria conquired them and was fascinated by them offcoarse this moved on to the greek god or goddeses and even the Romans and on to the Medieval period where they where much sort after.It was only the GUN that moved them out of favour for obvious reasons.
Birds of prey especially Hawks and Falcons where worshipped by the red Indians which to me where the most enlightened race on this earth. There understanding of animals as food and clothing was so important that they worshipped hawks etc as as gods and even buffalo as there providers of food and hawks from the sky who regulary caught food for them.
What a fantastic history Falconry has and to think these pink haired pierced body twats say its cruel, cruel my arse , we are the ones that are cruel erroding the Earth of its natural habitat so these birds and many other birds will die.
It is estimated that 40% of Animals will be wiped out by Man by 2050 thank god i will be burnt by then as a world wothout animals is a sad world indeed . It may be the case that many birds of prey will only survive WITH our help and also live twice as long but tell these anachist twats that who are so blinkered.
So what about our Historic Values being erroded by this 'Nanny' big Brother state of ours , Falconry has been with us since the dawn of time in our history lets keep it that way.

So why my rant?

My mate and his boy where attacked while night Fishing on a local lake there lines cut and their bivvy sprayed in red paint of which the little boy Rob had damage to his eyes.
Offcoarse they had gone sneaked off like rats into the dark like cowardly ********s they are.
If that happens to me i swear they will regret it BIG TIME!

Sorry but heard the news at 3am this morning and just had to blast it out!

Apologies.

[GM090158]

It is a sad world where cowardly B*****ds attempt to control everything we do! Unfortunately it just seems to be getting worse. Regards to your mate and hope his son is ok.

GM

[Kanati]

I have been fascinated by history all my life and falconry as a method of food has a history that probably is the oldest of all.
In tudor times it was said that you could only have a specific bird according to your status if you where peasant you where only permitted to have a Kestrel and a yeoman a Buzzard from there on in the top squires where permitted to have Goshawks and the ladies of note a Merlin. Both henry V111 had a Goshawk and Elizabeth 1 had a Merlin
My mate and his boy where attacked while night Fishing on a local lake there lines cut and their bivvy sprayed in red paint of which the little boy Rob had damage to his eyes...

Sorry about your mates son. thats not on!

regarding your history talk :) I was under the impression that only people of noble blood were allowed to own a bop. it was a status symbol and the down and outs would not have been allowed or able to afford any bird. Also i thought the gos was considdered unworthy of being actually flown buy the noble himself. He would have owned it and it been used by his staff for filling the larder. I thought the larger falcons and the golden eagle were the birds of the kings. The princes and royal servents got progressivly smaller and less impressive looking falcons to reflect their royal status??? with the 'ladettes' getting a merlin. I'm no history buff, so please tell me if what I have jsut said is complete tosh :D but thats how i thought it worked.

[Falconry Equipment International]

Hi Avalon, I feel very sorry for your friends and hope everything gets sorted asap. However I am rather confused at the 1st past of your posting with regard to the history of falconry. In mmy limited experience classification for bop being assigned in heirachy or social status comes from teh boke of st albans( 1486) not the tudors or am I wrong?
I am intrigued that you say the greeks were falconers. I would be most interested to hear more of this as I beleive it fairly common knowledge that both the egyptians( even had a God that was falcon shape ... Horus) & the romans had a facination for BOP, but to date have not managed to find anything out about the greeks, so any info would be gratfully received.SJH

[Kanati]

i dont know of any falconry in greece. One of the godesses had and owl...but i forget her name. the goddess Artemis is somtime depicted with animals around her and someitmes birds of prey. buts thats all i know of.

[Blaze]

Good post Avalon.......................If the world fell into the hands of these people we would all be out in the fields grazzing for food like F*****G sheep.................Best thing for these people to do is F******G top themselves do good twats!...........It proper makes my blood boil..... What planet they from.........As for your mate n his son i think thats disgusting n im sorry for the little lad.............If id ov caught the id be doing live in armley by now.........COCKROACHES!

[DeathFromAbove]

sorry to hear about your mate and his boy avalon, i daren't say whjat i'd do to the people if it were a friend of mine that it happened to and i found out who they were. with regards to your post on falconry history this webpage holds some interesting information about the age and history of our sport and the social heierachy and the birds allocated to them.

hope it helps... http://www.matrix2000.co.uk/falconry.htm

[Kanati]

sorry to hear about your mate and his boy avalon, i daren't say whjat i'd do to the people if it were a friend of mine that it happened to and i found out who they were. with regards to your post on falconry history this webpage holds some interesting information about the age and history of our sport and the social heierachy and the birds allocated to them.

hope it helps... http://www.matrix2000.co.uk/falconry.htm

Well done DFA thats cleared up a few things for me...that table at the bottom covers what I was trying to say about correct bird for your status.

[DeathFromAbove]

only too happy to help kanati :partyman:

[Minty]

i dont know of any falconry in greece. One of the godesses had and owl...but i forget her name. the goddess Artemis is somtime depicted with animals around her and someitmes birds of prey. buts thats all i know of.


http://www.pbs.org/falconer/man/.

Aristotle mentioned it on occasions but as you can see it started in the far east as stated.
When you go back that far it can be vague but as you can see it has been used through history.

As far as the tudors it was used by all classes.
http://www.nettlesworth.durham.sch.uk/time/tgames.html

It was used for fun and hunt .

It seems Rob (the little boy) is Ok this morning but has sore eyes after being in hospital the police have been informed so we will wait and see.
Thanks for your kind words

[HunterPaul]

I would personally get the media involved...I think its about time that the general public found out that not all loutish behaviour comes from people who enjoy a field sport.... If it was my situation...which it clearly isnt...apart from drowning the ****er in his own vomit....i would feel honour bound to bring this to the attantion of the general public...they have no qualms jumping on the bandwaggon when some anti get a slap up the side of his head after gobbing off about something he knows chuff all about...but a child is involved ...surely the people who beleive all the **** thrown down the goggle box these days cant ignore that.... get onto the papers I say and bring it out into the open....makes me want to go fishing and give them the shock of their soon to be crippled and breathing with the use of a ventilator lives ..when they come knocking...

[HunterPaul]

oh and I tghought the bird for a king was a gyr...and a kestrel, as they say for a knave.....

[Minty]

oh and I tghought the bird for a king was a gyr...and a kestrel, as they say for a knave.....

In what Period?
GYR are thelargest falcons and where used in the mid century by the nobility.

Here is a link which goes some way to explain but i can assure you that a peasant would keep a Kestrel but atleast this explains the theory i mentioned that depending on what class you where you flew a type of bird which some i believe thought it was just nobility but it was all classes and as you can see by the link by not doing so could mean a lot of pain.

http://www.cotswold-falconry.co.uk/FalconryHistory.htm

[HunterPaul]

sorry mate looked at the thread and it doesnt make any reference to peasants keeping a kestrel...it does say a knave or a servant.....
I may be misreading it...but it does say anybody caught flying a bird below their station were open top all sorts of whatever....
but a servant or knave was certainly not a peasant...Im only going on the thread that you were pointing out so not talking as a historian on falconry...
as for the gyr ...I did know it was the largest falcon but thanks anyway and I actually only mentioned it as I remembered from somewhere in my dim and distant past knowing that gyrs were flown by kings and the kestrel for a knave simply is remembered as it is on the front cover of a book weve all read ...kes...I wasnt doubting your knowledge on the history of falconry as it isnt something Ive delved into at any great depth, so there fore unless I go dig a load of books up and start quoting ...Im stuffed...
It was more of a question...
I seem to remember that the origins of falconry are not definate, but again this is me digging into the cobweb infested part of my brain so I wouldnt take it as gospel

[FlameHairedFalconer]

I think the answer is yes!! And they are a bunch of bullies to boot. So glad the little lad is OK, and I hope it hasnt put him off fishing.

With regards to the Book of St Albans, although it is a 'nice' description, as far as I am aware it was written with the idea of resurrecting the 'concept' of knights and chivalry. It does not truely reflect the actual situation with falconry at the time. Otherwise why would it rate a vulture so highly?

From my understanding the noblemen would have the falcons as they did not need to hunt for the table, and the lower orders, yeomen etc would have flown gosses as they needed the nosh.

FHF

[HunterPaul]

fhf ..what about us peasants....

[Minty]

So servents where not peasants then? I think that is what they are implicating but then maybe peasants and servents where of a different class.
Sorry mate but scroll down to the 1600's

Paul stick to falconry, you say you no nowt bout history....like you said to me the other day you cant remember yesterday.
So how the F**K do you know about 400years ago.

Enjoy Leeds you old scrote and get youself a portion as i am tired about you hearing you got to squeeze it out everynight!

http://www.pbs.org/falconer/man/#1600

[HunterPaul]

i think servants and peasants were a different class.... but hang on and Ill go and scan through a few books and be right back....and quote letter and verse....

[Minty]

This is another link .ok Pasants ,servents they where at the bottom of the ladder.
Again scroll down to the Heirachy again the Kestrel is at the bottom.

http://www.scottishfalconry.co.uk/new_page_1.htm

[Minty]

This is another link .ok Pasants ,servents they where at the bottom of the ladder.
Again scroll down to the Heirachy again the Kestrel is at the bottom.

http://www.scottishfalconry.co.uk/new_page_1.htm

Even children could have kestrels which does really mean that its the bottom of the tree. Are you saying children where higher than Peasants?

[Minty]

Paul you have been up since 3am shooting vermin i think maybe peasant and Pheasant are being mixed up here.
Pheasants did not have kestrels you are right my friend.

Now you can go and get chapter and verse if you like but i rest my case and i am off to bed.
BED.....Paul thats what you sleep in between pheasant shoots or was that peasant shoots:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ;)

[Hodgesargh]

i dont know of any falconry in greece. One of the godesses had and owl...but i forget her name. the goddess Artemis is somtime depicted with animals around her and someitmes birds of prey. buts thats all i know of.
I know that this is getting away from Avalon's original post (and God knows that there are some cowardly little ******s out there!) but the goddess was Athene (wisdom) and the owl was the little owl (athene noctua).

Right, that's my turn at being a smartarse over for the night. Let's hope the sods pick on someone their own size next time.

Avalon, hope the lad gets over it soon.

[Minty]

I know that this is getting away from Avalon's original post (and God knows that there are some cowardly little ******s out there!) but the goddess was Athene (wisdom) and the owl was the little owl (athene noctua).

Right, that's my turn at being a smartarse over for the night. Let's hope the sods pick on someone their own size next time.

Avalon, hope the lad gets over it soon.

Thanks mate, he seems OK tonight but it was a little disconcerting tonight when he did not want to watch his fishing programme that was taped for him.

I swear as i type this if i find out who they are (and when this happens its surprising how many locals spread the word) then I WILL be responsable for my actions.

Thanks, i will see him tomorrow i have suggested Thorpe park to him but we will wait and see.

[DeathFromAbove]

Thanks mate, he seems OK tonight but it was a little disconcerting tonight when he did not want to watch his fishing programme that was taped for him.

I swear as i type this if i find out who they are (and when this happens its surprising how many locals spread the word) then I WILL be responsable for my actions.

Thanks, i will see him tomorrow i have suggested Thorpe park to him but we will wait and see.

keep us posted buddy - we all wanna hear if you manage to grip them and sort em out mate.

[HunterPaul]

Im gonna have a word witha couple of lads I know who work in the theatre in the west end and see if I can sort them out with some freebies to a show ...that should cheer them up a bit...give them my number and Ill have a chat with them.......

[Horus]

Hi Avalon

I was appalled to hear of the attack on your friend and his small son. There are so many of these ignorant louts about nowadays. What would have happened if it was two small boys fishing quietly on their own. Big heroes these so called animal right activists picking on children. I hope you find out who they are and then ram a Roach Pole the full length up their arse.
Glad to hear the little fella is alright. Shame he did not want to watch his fishing programme. The whole thing must have been traumatic for him and will probably take a while to get over it.

[Minty]

He seems better today and watched his fishing programme. He is a bit embarrased about it all though with his mates and all.
I mentioned the tickets paul and his mum is going to get back to me on it but she does not think he will be interested but thanks you for your kindness.

He may even go fishing today as he turned my offer of thorpe park down. I am going to take him fishing tomorrow and after 30 years of carp and pike fishing i know exactly where to take him for monster Pike . He has never caught one so he is in for a pleasant surprise because if he does not catch at this venue i will chop my ******** off and feed them to the crows!

[Minty]

Its a shame he is not interested in Birds but he gets scared shitless by them.
Do not worry i will have him back as right as rain in no time.
And then the Ears go to the Ground and the Nose sniffs the wind . A few names have been put around by a local group .

[Minty]

I put a smile on his face today.It was a joy to see and i think he has if only in part getting over it.
We took a trip to a spot that i and only 1 other angler knows.We met up at the swim and we put 6 rods out baited with mainly Herring as this had produced good results before, one was on the Bottom one on a Paternoster rig and 1 2 ft off under a float.
2 rods where baited with mackerel heads and one with a eels head.
They where placed in spots we knew well 2 in weed and the other 4 on a drop off about 100yds out.
Nothing for an hour and i could see the little chap although mesmorised by electronic indicators pods an buzz bars was getting bored. I tackled up a float rod as i had covered this scenario should it happen and had been baiting up the margin on my right with maggott and hemp.
Just as i was about to tie the hook on rod 2 spun off he picked it up and i told him to cock the reel and wind down until he could feel the fish knocking.
I then said adjust the clutch as he has rested and now will bolt any minute ,by now esox must be 140 odd yds out, this was going to be a marathon but i '****ed' up i did not notice which way he had turned the clutch, it bolted and the reel never gave way and i feared the worse, i took over but winding down the fish had broken away it must have just been hooked and from that range setting the hooks for me would be hard but for him very hard.
He was gutted and although i never showed it i was cursing myself for letting him take such a fish that far out 'What a ******' i was telling myself as my mate was saying its ok its ok.Normally it would and who knows it could have only been a single from that distance but no matter.
I was now determined and i scouted around the area looking for signs as i had suspicions that our secret site had been discovered and had made the fish wary.
About 50 yds out i spotted fry on the surface which was a tad un-usual being this late but it had been wet but warm and noticed that the water was very coloured as the rain had drained into the lake and thought again 'Idiot' they are probably more up in the water but then it was a low pressure weather which usually puts them on the bottom.Feeling confused as the two signs comflicted each other to at what depth they could be at as to see 50 yds out pike popping its head into the fry confused the hell out of me.
I decided to use my fishing experience and hauled all rods in. The remaining bait plus the heads infact everything was mashed up until it was oozing and then i tipped the remainder of the herring oil in the water . I put one rod under a float at 30 yds (deadbait) and one at 50yds which was a neatly hooked roach i had caught in the margins and one at only 20 yds on a paternoster and chucked the whole bucket in. The oil was like a slick but was moving out to the rod placements as i had checked the wind or else this plan would not of happened.
With 3 rods out and the place teaming with guts i bought in the livebait as it had been swimming around and had had it. What next i thought, last chance with this chocalate water which i had kept to last as a small boy to see this bait is not pretty. It was a Lamprey a blood sucker with teeth dripping in blood , i was reluctant to use this as it was covered in it and i had the head section plus the blood is highly dangerous as it is full of bacteria which any open wound wil put you in hospital if you are unlucky.
I baited it on a wind float only 3 foot under and let the wind drift it out.I had to bring one rod in so it would not get tangled with it.This kind of method is a 'Hit' or 'Miss' affair and normally is quite good on lighter days but i was being shown 2 signs here and neither where working.It drifted over the slick and as it got past might heart sank as i felt it had really past the best spot which was right over a drop off where the slick was but then..................................the float bobbled and i thought maybe just maybe and the little lad jumped up i told him to be quite as he was close to the surface and even at 30 yds he could get spooked.
My heart started to sink again as i though perch could be having a go as a lampreys head, is very small but it had to be to drift well but i knew its head would still be ouzing out blood .
Then........Bang! the float went under and a Whoosh of water came up and i thought 'God this is a big one' this time i would do it right i wound down and set the hooks with a big strike , that was it they where set and it was now down to the little fellah. It went out on a run and we let it almost to 100yds keeping the line tight at all times i then started to tell him to pump it and explained what i meant but it bolted again but i had set the clutch just right and it was hard work for the pike to run as it must of been like trying to pull 3 times its weight but its a fine balance as stated earlier.
My mate suddenly shouted out 'Weedbank on the right its heading for a weedbank on the left'
****! i had to take over and pumped it hard and managed to catch it off guard as it tired and got a lot of line in but it bolted again, i had to chance it.........i tightened the clutch right up there was no way this fish was going in that weedbank, with braid instead of nylon it gives an advantage at distance as it does not stretch but it also does not give, threatening a brake off.
I managed to stear him short of the reed bank and quickly gave the rod back and felt this could be catchable as the tightened clutch for 5 minutes had really tired him out.
He started to reel it in and i thought yes but then its head came up and i thought 'He aint done yet' and suddenly i remembered the clutch was on strong i quickly grabbed the reel and loosened it up a split second before its tale came up and bolted tailwalking on the water. I knew it was its last dash it always is with pike one last gasp, they let you reel them in and then bolt thinking your guard was down. I quickly gave the rod back by now his face was a picture and he said 'Dad is not going to believe this' i watched that fish like a hawk like never before watching the line movement and its swirls and making sure the line was tight but i could see it was well hooked but he had to get its head up and on the surface for me to net it and this was all of 20lbs! .Now usually as any good angler knows is the fish come to the net and not the other way round but this was it and he was struggling to control it close in , i was left with a dilemma , do i take over? or bolt the net to the fish?
But he was getting tired and if i took over it would spoil it for him but my net would not reach.
It needed drastic measures i said i am going in, my mate said its 8ft out there right from 2 ft out i said give me the other landing net pole and i asked him to hold on the other end of it so i would slide in holding the other end.I slid gently in in just my Y-Fronts with the net in my other hand by this time the little lad had had it and my mate looked at me....'I said NO'.
I had to leave the security pole for just a foot as she popped up i slapped the net over it and twisted it but i was out of my depth. My mate now was in the water and stretched out the pole to me we got back in and i said to the lad pull the landing net up...He could not it was to heavy and his joy and amazement was for all to see.
We weighed it 23lb 3oz.a monster as i stood there with weed round my feet and my ******** hanging out for a very nice young lady dog walker to see.
It was great as i watched his face at the huge size of the beast and i opened its jaws through the gills. He even un hooked it with guidance. He just jumped up and down and he was back on form.
The only downside as none of us had a camera (doppy idiot me forgot as it was still in my coat when i went out with paul and not in my fishing bag where it had lived for two years).
But no matter he held it for a while and i was tempted to kill it for a nice fillet but i thought no. He slipped the alligator in the water but it did not move so i told him to move it up and back by its tail to get its gills working and with a huge tail whoosh it was gone.
Job Done i thought, and he never stopped talking all the way home about telling his mates and he is going again tomorrow with his dad.

Now i felt proud, went home cleaned up but as i sat down i could not stop itching my dick, i looked down and a nice big mosquito bite was there.
I though , well thats the first thing thats sucked my dick for years!!!!!:lol: