Bow Perch Size?

[Ninja-Jon]

Just a quickie would it be any benificial to have a higher than average Bow Perch made for a Male Harris? As i have read that the bird feels more content sitting at it's highest point when resting given the choice (which it does not have due to being tethered) Or would the BOP cause more damage to it's self if it was to bate..........

[Kanati]

it would have to be a lot higher to make a difference. the bird that wants to bate from a bow will still bate from a slightly bigger bow...and don't forget that the ring needs to be able to travel from one side to the other, so if it a really tall bow..it needs to be really wide too... How big were you thinking? You might be better with an extra tall block design. I have seen similar things on this forum somwhere... Someone will have pictures...

[Hawkmaster]

Only make the bow so that the tail just clears the ground but a couple of inches. No more is needed.

I prefer to make and use a ring perch, here is one I have drawn while toying with a new easier design.

[Ninja-Jon]

1st of all thanks to the 2 members that have took time out to answer the question. Regards bow size Kanti was thinking of something that probably stood about 3ft to 4 ft yes i also realize the bow would have to be made wider as well m8, did see a members pic on the forum who had a very large Bow Perch and i liked the idea will try and find it and post.

[Ninja-Jon]

Something like this Kanati

[DeathFromAbove]

:shock: **** me jon that's one hell of a bow perch hehehehe, wouldn't use something like that myself, especially during early training as if he bates you'd spend ages getting him and he'd prob damage his wings. on that long a leash he may as well be free lofted.....

[Kanati]

i dont see a problem with the bow...but i would rather see it in a larger area...that hawk can hit his wings on all 4 walls, so feathers could get completely f*#ked! even if your hawks tame i would give more space then the pic shows

[Ninja-Jon]

Thanks for the reply stu, Now i have been told that m8 won't be getting one only i quite liked the idea of the height did also consider the length of the leash required for the bird but wasn't 100% sure myself thats the reason i asked the question Stu. But thankyou for the straight forward answer m8...........

[DeathFromAbove]

no worries bud, that's what were all here for. :cool:

[Hawkmaster]

I said so before and I WILL say so again!

The above bowperches are unsafe TOO big and WILL cause tail, wing and even bone damages!

I think if you are really lazy to bend down you should make a bowperch like that.

[Talon]

thats not a bowperch thats a metal headboard for a double bed.

[Sean]

u dont want it to be too low incase of frost too tho

[Jester]

i always thought that length of leash could break a birds legs if they bate off and build up speed??????

[Sean]

by the look of it tho, i think he will hit the wall before the leash

[Coedhirion]

Recon that looks dangerous. All that leash could go round the wings and tail, especialy with a tail mount and bell fitted. The speed if the bird bates would do the legs no good. If it got knotted up it could end up hanging from the top, possibly till dead. If you are worried about frost and a low perch, then build a half round shelf at the warmest corner, with a teather ring under it. Then fit a small tube heater that you can buy real cheap, under the shelf. Or just take the bird in, in its travell box on very cold nights. If it is free lofted at night it can have a high perch with a peice of wood mounted so the bird can hide behind in bad weather, as long as it is a roofed area. You dont get problems with frost (wing tip oedema) in free lofting as a rule.

[Harris110773]

hi can i ask if there is anythink rong with the size of that loft on the first page if not then can anyone tell me if you know the aprox size and how much somthing like that would cost thanks alot andy

[RabbitHawker]

A bow prech should be a bow perch. That is only high enough to clear the tail, as if it is too big the bird will build up too much speed on the bate and possibly cause damage to itself.. When trained you could use a ring perch, or similar, I use a small pneumatic wheel for a trolley on a long pole with a free ring on it. You can use a short leash as the ring rides up and down the pole, and the bird learns to fly back up if it bates. The birds feel much safer from vermin on a tall perch like this, but I would have it well manned first.
Chris

[ScotsFalconer]

lets settle this. JUST GO AND BUY ONE FROM A GOOD SUPPLIER. saves so much time and will most likely be alot safer for the bird.

[MickeyDredd]

The bow perch and leash length in that photo are dangerous, there is a very good chance of broken legs occurring.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

That "Leash" looks like a ****ing good eagle creance!

[Barbary Boy]

Something like this Kanati
just a tad bigger would be ideal i think?

[StormRider]

I have been using a pole perch for a while now with my harris. I made it based on a design I saw in America. Because the bird is tethered from the swivel and no travel is allowed with a leash the bird cannot bate and it will not hang itself as it can easily right itself. Saying that my bird has never fell off it or hung up. Seriously, if u want a bird that is more happy by being higher up and unthreatened by approaching people then try and make one of these. My harris was happy on a bow perch but I was always worried about frost in the winter. Me and my bird have never been so content. I would swear by them, honestly.
I know that this is going to possibly stir a bit controversy, but I always say that the proof is in the pudding. These are not the same as screen perches and the majority of people who criticise them havent even used them. I have never used a shelf perch but I wouldnt criticise it as I can see that it may be useful to some.
In me pipe and eating it!

[Ninja-Jon]

Hi there Stormrider just ordered one of those Raptor post's from Yarak Falconry last week Just waiting on it's arrivial m8.....

[FlameHairedFalconer]

I have to agree with HM here - there are some distinct dangers to that bow:

1) The leash needed is too long - and should the hawk be able to fly the full length of that leash you are seriously risking broken legs.

2) The length of the leash also means that the hawk can get hung up over the astroturf on the top of the perch. If she gets tangled in anyway she may end up hanging upside down until she dies.

Basically you have to assume the worse with any perch design - if you think there is a remotest chance of any injury, hang up or trouble dont use it. I can guarantee that eventually the hawk will manage to do the exact thing that you thought was a chance in a million. And it could cost her her life.

A hawk likes the highest perch, but if the bow they are on is the only perch in their weathering they have they wont be bating for a higher one....cos it aint there!

FHF

[Ninja-Jon]

Thanks for that explantion there FlameHairedFalconer.

[StormRider]

Hi there Stormrider just ordered one of those Raptor post's from Yarak Falconry last week Just waiting on it's arrivial m8.....
Ive seen pics of the post from Yarak and its sought of similar to what I have made myself. They look good and Ive heard claims that they have never had any probs with any they have made. To be honest, I am a great believer that there is only one way to find out any thing in life works, and that its always best to give it a go yourself. If it doesnt work then u look at something else.
Please note that my bird is always left unattended when on this post, and she just perches with a smile on her face.
Stu

[Tim Laycock]

I tried to keep my mouth shut but that bow is the most dangerous I have ever seen and the leash length is also a disaster!

[Jack Merlin]

I know this thread is meant to be about bow perches, but am I the only one who noticed that the ring for attaching the leash on the ring perch is in the wrong place?

Surely, it ought to be on the stem, below the actual perch? (....Just in case someone copies the design, which is basically OK).

[Jackson]

I tried to keep my mouth shut but that bow is the most dangerous I have ever seen and the leash length is also a disaster!

agreed!

[Dave G]

hi jon a well made standard bow perch is all you need ?? as your bird will not be on it for long and a short leash to stop any pressure on the legs when bating as soon as your birds manned and jumping to the fist or responding on the creance free loft him ??? as a free lofted bird is happy and keeps himself active ??

[Bones]

I tried to keep my mouth shut but that bow is the most dangerous I have ever seen and the leash length is also a disaster!
Well said BB its a F*****G joke the bird is as good free lofted without being untied put yer bird on that if you want two at best dislocated legs and at worst two broken legs as theres no way you could shorten the leash without the weight of the ring constantly pullin on the birds legs either

DONT USE THAT SIZE BOW

PAUL

[Dave G]

whats wrong with it :supz:

[Bones]

whats wrong with it :supz:
im not even gonna answer that
PAUL

[Dave G]

:rolleyes: got yahhh its like the big dipper pmsl ?? if ive ever seen a bag of **** its that bow perch or what ever you want to call it a ferres wheel for a harris hawk pmsl ,

[Tim Laycock]

I know this thread is meant to be about bow perches, but am I the only one who noticed that the ring for attaching the leash on the ring perch is in the wrong place?

Surely, it ought to be on the stem, below the actual perch? (....Just in case someone copies the design, which is basically OK).

It certainly didnt pass me by :yawinkle:

I didnt want to fire my canon at the captain of the ship :oops: :lol:

[Ninja-Jon]

F***king hell i 1st posted this thread on the 31-10-2005 2 months after i joined the forum and knew jack **** about Bow perches or any equipment for hawks. Not saying i know it all now far from it but since then to now i have done my homework. So thanks for all the comments and just let the thread lay dormant cheers Jon...

[Tim Laycock]

We live and learn Jon :yawinkle:

[Jack Merlin]

Originally Posted by Jack Merlin
I know this thread is meant to be about bow perches, but am I the only one who noticed that the ring for attaching the leash on the ring perch is in the wrong place?

Surely, it ought to be on the stem, below the actual perch? (....Just in case someone copies the design, which is basically OK).

It certainly didnt pass me by :yawinkle:

I didnt want to fire my canon at the captain of the ship :oops: :lol:

Well, you know me, I'll recognise the dog but not the owner!<g> That's what comes of being a recluse.