Wierd Mutes

[Turumti]

Hi Guys,

I got a new passage saker falcon about three days back. This bird was caught about ten days ago and was being fed a diet of pigeon and chicken by the trappers. She was housed in mudbrick hut with about 6 other falcons (sakers and peregrines). When I got her she seemed healthy already but didnt seem to have a ravenous appetite, for she ate only half a pigeon despite being not having fed all day. She weighs about 1100 grams (empty crop), but what has me perturbed is the fact that she tends to pant after eating and that her mutes have a greenish tinge. She is still quite helathy otherwise, and her mouth also seems to be fine for there is not trace of any exudates or any necrotic tissue inside it (or on her pallete or toungue), nor any foul smell emanating from it.

For the perusal of those more knowledgeable than me, I have included a pic of tonight's mutes. This pic was taken about two hours after she was feed 2/3rd breast of pigeon sans any bone or casting. I would appreciate any all suggestions as to how I should go about diagnosing and treating this bird.

Just to be on the safe side, I did her give 50mg Flagyl two hours before this evening's meal.


Thanking you all in advance.

[HunterPaul]

mate the pic has not come through...

[Turumti]

I tried to upload the pic from my PC all night long, but it just wouldnt. Any sugestions?

[DeathFromAbove]

Hi Guys,

I got a new passage saker falcon about three days back. This bird was caught about ten days ago and was being fed a diet of pigeon and chicken by the trappers. She was housed in mudbrick hut with about 6 other falcons (sakers and peregrines). When I got her she seemed healthy already but didnt seem to have a ravenous appetite, for she ate only half a pigeon despite being not having fed all day. She weighs about 1100 grams (empty crop), but what has me perturbed is the fact that she tends to pant after eating and that her mutes have a greenish tinge. She is still quite helathy otherwise, and her mouth also seems to be fine for there is not trace of any exudates or any necrotic tissue inside it (or on her pallete or toungue), nor any foul smell emanating from it.

For the perusal of those more knowledgeable than me, I have included a pic of tonight's mutes. This pic was taken about two hours after she was feed 2/3rd breast of pigeon sans any bone or casting. I would appreciate any all suggestions as to how I should go about diagnosing and treating this bird.

Just to be on the safe side, I did her give 50mg Flagyl two hours before this evening's meal.


Thanking you all in advance.

Hi, try altering the file size to within the forum guidelines for pictures.

Greenish mutes are often a sign that there is weight loss going on in the bird, as she's a wild trapped bird i would have thought she'd have a certain level of fitness so the panting would worry me as it could be a sign of a respitory disorder.

As for any other symtoms, i'd have her straight to an avian vet if i were worried, as birds of prey will hide illness as long as possible as it's survival of the fittest out there and any weakness is taken first, so any signs of illness usually means that it needs looking at by a vet as soon as poss.

hope she's ok mate, keep us posted

[Moet]

hi there, sometimes green mutes can occur if the diet has been changed in any way,(its happened with harris) but it could also be a symptom of frounce which is a bigger problem, check for cheesy (white spots) in mouth and throat, as these are symptoms, frounce is very contagious (amongst birds) and is often caught from eating pigeons (crops) so i reccommend looking into this as it is a killer, don't mean to worry you but better to be safe than sorry.
keep us updated, all the best moet

[Falconry Equipment International]

Guys , Turumti is in Pakistan (look at his avatar) Hi Turumti, don't know if this is really going to be of help (& I don't want to panic you) as only instance I have seen of anything like this was a few years ago with a freind Jerkin that he had been feeding on feral pigeon & also I am NOt speaking as a qualified VET etc. THi jerking was producing lime green mutes and within 24 hours had died, Pm showed that iot had contracted avian herpes virus , which feral prigeon is a prime source of infection. I really hope this is not the case , but if it is , I fear you already may know the worst. If they are just discoloured and smell bad , it could of course be a srain of the protozoa Coccidiosis. HTH

[Sprout]

Completely agree with SJH - get it checked by a vet with avian knowledge ASAP.

[Turumti]

I dont know really know what it is, but I havent ever faced as much disease or problems with keeping my birds healthy in the past fifteen years, as I have in the past two.

To make matters worse, there are no qualified raptor vets here. I am as close to a raptor specialist here, as they come.

I dont mean to be blowing my own trumpet, but I must admit that adversity and lack of vetinerary facilities here have taught me more than they have taken from me. I have fixed a broken wing on a gos (broken ulna) without surgery and hunte with her after she healed. I have also cured two cases of broken legs (tibia?) and one broken femur. I have cured a few cases of bumblefoot sans surgery. I have had a pox ridden saker, infected with Pseudomonas aureginosa regrow her talons, and I also successfully hunted a second season with an intermewed turumti that ate up quite a bit of one of her own feet.

I think after all these years, my luck is finally running out.

[Moses]

I dont know really know what it is, but I havent ever faced as much disease or problems with keeping my birds healthy in the past fifteen years, as I have in the past two.

To make matters worse, there are no qualified raptor vets here. I am as close to a raptor specialist here, as they come.

I dont mean to be blowing my own trumpet, but I must admit that adversity and lack of vetinerary facilities here have taught me more than they have taken from me. I have fixed a broken wing on a gos (broken ulna) without surgery and hunte with her after she healed. I have also cured two cases of broken legs (tibia?) and one broken femur. I have cured a few cases of bumblefoot sans surgery. I have had a pox ridden saker, infected with Pseudomonas aureginosa regrow her talons, and I also successfully hunted a second season with an intermewed turumti that ate up quite a bit of one of her own feet.

I think after all these years, my luck is finally running out.


bros inshallah i hope she gets better, its sad , do what sj says maybe keep it away from the birds u r feeding and try something else

and if it doesnt get better bros, inshallah be merciful to it and put it down instead of it getting worse

and eid mubarak tomorrow bros and i hope she gets better

[JFSeaman]

hi there, sometimes green mutes can occur if the diet has been changed in any way,(its happened with harris) but it could also be a symptom of frounce which is a bigger problem, check for cheesy (white spots) in mouth and throat, as these are symptoms, frounce is very contagious (amongst birds) and is often caught from eating pigeons (crops) so i reccommend looking into this as it is a killer, don't mean to worry you but better to be safe than sorry.
keep us updated, all the best moet

This one makes sense to me as it just happened to my RT. Switch from DOC to rabbit. It was only for one two mutes.

So should we approach food changes with the birds same as I would my dog, ease over to the new food by giving some old and some new until giving all new food?

[Coedhirion]

Trouble is pigeon carry more diseases than almost any other bird. Coccidiosis is very common in GB and is cured quite easy in pigeons and is treatable in BOPs too, but cant for the life of me remember the drug we were given for a Gos that tested positive for it. Gos got over it and next mute sample was fine, that bird was producing bright green mutes too despite weight not being reduced. It could even be a sign of some kind of worm, is there any way you can post a mute sample off to any one???
Good luck with the bird, hope you sort it.

[Falconry Equipment International]

Trouble is pigeon carry more diseases than almost any other bird. Coccidiosis is very common in GB and is cured quite easy in pigeons and is treatable in BOPs too, but cant for the life of me remember the drug we were given for a Gos that tested positive for it. Gos got over it and next mute sample was fine, that bird was producing bright green mutes too despite weight not being reduced. It could even be a sign of some kind of worm, is there any way you can post a mute sample off to any one???
Good luck with the bird, hope you sort it.
Hi Cd , was this treatment for Coccidiosis? If so the drug dispensed by one of the best known (UK & even worldwide ) Vets is a bayer product... baycox. HTH