Festival Finances

[Harris]

As Promised here are the figures from the Fundraising and expenditure for the Festival 2009. I should point out that the 2007 Balance of £305.44 was paid to Paul by Echeque through Paypal, however I have been informed that the Echeque was canceled or failed, so that money is still to be collected.

[Ben C]

Who won and how much did salmans offers make SPECIFICALLY.

[MickeyDredd]

Simon

Are Deans expenses included?

[Hawkmaster]

Who won and how much did salmans offers make SPECIFICALLY.
http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=67117

[Harris]

Ben this is the only list I have, I'm not sure about the specifics of the items that Salman offered, I have worked off the payment confirmations that Paul sent me after items had been paid for, I guess the original thread will be more precise.

[Harris]

Simon

Are Deans expenses included?

They are now :yawinkle::oops:

[Ben C]

Simon. I HAVE ALL THE EQUPIMET except that which was taken by lee. So I need to have the names of who won before I send anything out.

[Harris]

Simon. I HAVE ALL THE EQUPIMET except that which was taken by lee. So I need to have the names of who won before I send anything out.

Ok Ben I'll sort a list for you, at least we now all the items are safe, can you tell me what was given to Lee?

[Harris]

I should point out that the 2 names on the Auction list above in Red simply donates that I have not received a payment confirmation off Paul yet, it does not mean they have not paid.

[LeesHawks]

hi simon

i made 2 payments through paypal as below:

9 Jun. 2009Payment ToHawking VenturesCompleted (https://www.paypal.com/uk/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/Help/popup/StatusTypes#txn_status_completed)Details (https://history.paypal.com/uk/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_history-details&info=xSs3tuo70vaWpqGCXCv910GhvqKAou9b9vh2BdE0jA4w-jhc-Jpm_RHd3NK&history_cache=nEvs0WzbgMwAAAABDZw4nlVrlKIAAAAGqPqM yEoD7hz...............................8AAAABSdKgcE pKmPAAAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAAIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAp0aW1lcGVyaW9kAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAE pKmPAAAAAAAAAAFAAAAAAEAAAAAg&search_trans_id=) -93.750.00-£93.75 GBP4 Jun. 2009Donation ToHawking VenturesCompleted (https://www.paypal.com/uk/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/Help/popup/StatusTypes#txn_status_completed)Details (https://history.paypal.com/uk/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_history-details&info=7mv9J9NbDqxWEsBHH8GuEQ6GittUz2eWDa8Qf0myM0yhR kofPQXTbH1NVEy&history_cache=nEvs0WzbgMwAAAABDZw4nlVrlKIAAAAGqPqM yEoD7hz...............................8AAAABSdKgcE pKmPAAAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAAIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAp0aW1lcGVyaW9kAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAE pKmPAAAAAAAAAAFAAAAAAEAAAAAg&search_trans_id=) -20.000.00-£20.00 GBP


i have emptied my messages and carnt remember exactly what it was for is there a link to the auctions?? threads

lee

[Ben C]

Hi lee,

Hope you got what you wanted. I am just waiting for a list of the others who need/want stuff.

lee

[MickeyDredd]

Sorry mate, accountant's eye ;)

They are now :yawinkle::oops:

[Harris]

Sorry mate, accountant's eye ;)

Glad you have mate, I'm still recovering from 12 days on the road and could sleep for a week. :(

[LeesHawks]

Hi lee,

Hope you got what you wanted. I am just waiting for a list of the others who need/want stuff.

lee

hi simon

yes mate i did, the only thing that there seems to be confusion around is the jewellled bells which i bought 1 set and so did some other members robham did and some one else did, sure it will be sorted

lee

[Ben C]

hi simon

yes mate i did, the only thing that there seems to be confusion around is the jewellled bells which i bought 1 set and so did some other members robham did and some one else did, sure it will be sorted

lee

Yes mate your right. But I don't have them Terry Large does. I suggest you contact salman/turumti and see what he says. I will do it as well so we can get it sorted ASAP.

Rest assured they will arrive mate. even if I deliver them myself.

[Harris]

Yes mate your right. But I don't have them Terry Large does. I suggest you contact salman/turumti and see what he says. I will do it as well so we can get it sorted ASAP.

Rest assured they will arrive mate. even if I deliver them myself.

Ben just for clarification you explain why Terry has the Jewelled bells :confused:

[Ben C]

Ben just for clarification you explain why Terry has the Jewelled bells :confused:

OK.

Greg mick had a box of goods (salmans) that was sent to the UK at the same time as I was sent stuff by salman. Basically there are two boxes of stuff with different things in them at 2 different locations.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I have blocks, leashes, jesses, swivels, hoods, NORMAL bells, etc etc. The carved ones are with Mr Large I believe.

[Dave G]

me thinks this is a case for miss MARPLE ;)

[Harris]

OK.

Greg mick had a box of goods (salmans) that was sent to the UK at the same time as I was sent stuff by salman. Basically there are two boxes of stuff with different things in them at 2 different locations.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I have blocks, leashes, jesses, swivels, hoods, NORMAL bells, etc etc. The carved ones are with Mr Large I believe.

Thanks Ben, I'll try and ring Terry this afternoon and see what he's got.

[Redeye]

As Promised here are the figures from the Fundraising and expenditure for the Festival 2009. I should point out that the 2007 Balance of £305.44 was paid to Paul by Echeque through Paypal, however I have been informed that the Echeque was canceled or failed, so that money is still to be collected.

Thanks for posting that Simon.
I think you was robbed for that 'marquee' Paul.

Ivan

[Redeye]

Apparently according to another thread a falconer from El Salvador had his photography gear nicked whilst he doing the nations parade.
It would be a nice gesture from the IFF if some of the surplus money could be put to replacing it...assuming he was not covered by insurance.

[U2U2U2]

Apparently according to another thread a falconer from El Salvador had his photography gear nicked whilst he doing the nations parade.
It would be a nice gesture from the IFF if some of the surplus money could be put to replacing it...assuming he was not covered by insurance.good idea,not nice to have your stuff nicked.you have to feel for the man.

[Mutton1]

Apparently according to another thread a falconer from El Salvador had his photography gear nicked whilst he doing the nations parade.
It would be a nice gesture from the IFF if some of the surplus money could be put to replacing it...assuming he was not covered by insurance.


I agree perhaps the IFF could send him something to help replace his gear and his faith in people

[Paul64]

good idea,not nice to have your stuff nicked.you have to feel for the man.


Why should it fall on us to pay for it after the way the IFF got treated at the festival?

Although I feel for the guy he should contact the organisers of the event. I don't suppose he'll have much luck with them though.

[Kat67]

Apparently according to another thread a falconer from El Salvador had his photography gear nicked whilst he doing the nations parade.
It would be a nice gesture from the IFF if some of the surplus money could be put to replacing it...assuming he was not covered by insurance.

Another nice gesture would be a small amount to go to Brians collection that didnt happen and he after all was an IFF member :yawinkle:

[Mutton1]

Why should it fall on us to pay for it after the way the IFF got treated at the festival?

Although I feel for the guy he should contact the organisers of the event. I don't suppose he'll have much luck with them though.

From what I have read in other threads the IFF were in the wrong not the organisers, it would be a nice gesture

[Redeye]

From what I have read in other threads the IFF were in the wrong not the organisers, it would be a nice gesture

I think it would be a decent way of drawing a line under the whole debacle.

Although I think those that donated or bought items (of which I am not one) are the ones that should have the say as these were given for the specific aim of raising funds to be used at the Festival.

[U2U2U2]

Another nice gesture would be a small amount to go to Brians collection that didnt happen and he after all was an IFF member :yawinkle:i thing we should all but our hands in our pockets. you can i post a donation to.what i have read, he was a very nice man.and it is very sad. it can happen to any off us.

[Kennelre]

Another nice gesture would be a small amount to go to Brians collection that didnt happen and he after all was an IFF member :yawinkle:

I've had any number of conversations with people on the subject of what he quietly did for them behind the scenes.
It wouldn't have been alot to ask for the forum to send flowers.
These things mean so damn much to people....just the little courtesies of life.


...Rene.

[HalkyWalky]

Another nice gesture would be a small amount to go to Brians collection that didnt happen and he after all was an IFF member :yawinkle:

i think this is a good idea kat lots of members feel let down over this gentle was a great guy whos contribution to the forum will be missed.

[Redeye]

I've had any number of conversations with people on the subject of what he quietly did for them behind the scenes.
It wouldn't have been alot to ask for the forum to send flowers.
These things mean so damn much to people....just the little courtesies of life.


...Rene.

I am very suprised that the forum are not sending flowers....is this true?

I am personally uneasy with the ideas of collections esp. as I dont believe he had any dependents but a decent bunch of flowers or even one of Andrew Ellis prints would be a small momento from the IFF.

[Kat67]

I am very suprised that the forum are not sending flowers....is this true?

I am personally uneasy with the ideas of collections esp. as I dont believe he had any dependents but a decent bunch of flowers or even one of Andrew Ellis prints would be a small momento from the IFF.

He has a son:yawinkle:

[Kennelre]

I am very suprised that the forum are not sending flowers....is this true?

I am personally uneasy with the ideas of collections esp. as I dont believe he had any dependents but a decent bunch of flowers or even one of Andrew Ellis prints would be a small momento from the IFF.

You must be such a nice person to be suprised.


...Rene.

[Hawkmaster]

Can I politely and respectfully ask by the IFF must send flowers does that mean me personally or as a whole new seperate thing or from the funds that were already raised?

[Kat67]

Can I politely and respectfully ask by the IFF must send flowers does that mean me personally or as a whole new seperate thing or from the funds that were already raised?

Bit late for flowers as the funeral was today. I was wondering if we can get a paypal acct sorted so members can pay into that and anything thats in the pot thats considered appropriate could be payed in too??? Not everyone who wants to donate has given to the festival fund..im one of those. The monies collected can be given to Kelly his sister for her to donate to either a charity of their choice or to Nick Brians son...

[Redeye]

Can I politely and respectfully ask by the IFF must send flowers does that mean me personally or as a whole new seperate thing or from the funds that were already raised?

I would like to think that a few £ of the festival money could be spent seeing as there is nigh on £1900. If this is going to be returned to those who feel let down then maybe it is possible to have a donation thread. It would only need a £ or 2 per member which would account for a few flowers.

[Hawkmaster]

I would personally say this is a matter for those that donated and bought stuff to decide, but remember then money is being taking from the MacMillian Fund for which the orginal money was intended so that would not be fair either!

Maybe someone that feels close to this subject or is intouch with the family may want to PM me and we can allow a new thread and that person can setup a paypal account for the donations and I will help there where I can;)

[FalconGriff]

He has a son:yawinkle:

He had a son which I guess is about 16 and he was as Gentle said the "only good thing I have done in my life" The Vicar made reference to the enormous pleasure that this forum gave him. How about framing the pics on Andy Ellis calender as a gift? If others think its a good idea I can get it done and would try to persuade Andy to sign them? As a rough guess I would think £100 would cover the framing and I would be happy to donate the calender.

[Berkut]

He had a son which I guess is about 16 and he was as Gentle said the "only good thing I have done in my life" The Vicar made reference to the enormous pleasure that this forum gave him. How about framing the pics on Andy Ellis calender as a gift? If others think its a good idea I can get it done and would try to persuade Andy to sign them? As a rough guess I would think £100 would cover the framing and I would be happy to donate the calender.


Kat,
I have an unframed signed limited edition print of Andy's of the gos on rabbit in the snow.I am happy to donate that if you like.

Neil

[Kat67]

Kat,
I have an unframed signed limited edition print of Andy's of the gos on rabbit in the snow.I am happy to donate that if you like.

Neil

Neil that is an amazingly generous gesture thank you so much:yawinkle:

Before we accept can others please state that they'd like the picture to go there..

[Berkut]

Neil that is an amazingly generous gesture thank you so much:yawinkle:

Before we accept can others please state that they'd like the picture to go there..

No problem Kat. Let me know.

Neil

[FalconGriff]

I think that is a great idea but think it should be framed with perhaps an inscribed bit on the bottom. It would not cost a lot and I am sure would mean a hell of a lot to the family to know that other valued Gentle even if he did not value himself.

[StormySky]

Neil that is an amazingly generous gesture thank you so much:yawinkle:

Before we accept can others please state that they'd like the picture to go there..

I would like for that to happen, and would also like to make a donation if something is being arranged.
Thank you
Lee

[Kennelre]

Gentle had a FHH and I have No 1 of Andrew Ellis latest limited edition print of the Harris Hawk. I should like Nikki to have that in memory of his father's love for both him and falconry.
I have a number of Mick Cawston prints where he was kind enough to do a little sketch on the side which makes them both unique and personal. I've forgotten the term for it. I don't know if Andrew could be prevailed upon to do something similar?
If that could happen and a collection made for a quality frame...then I think that would be grand.
If Kat would be happy to run with it, then I'd be very happy to follow.:goodman:


...Rene.

[Kat67]

Whatever people want.. please sort it out yourselves:yawinkle:

[Kennelre]

ps. My suggestion is not, on any level, intended to compete with Neil's. But I figure he will know that already.:goodman:


...Rene.

[Berkut]

ps. My suggestion is not, on any level, intended to compete with Neil's. But I figure he will know that already.:goodman:


...Rene.

Rene,

No problem. If your option is the preferred one ,I will auction my print on here. The money raised can go towards the cost of framing.

Neil.

[Berkut]

Whatever people want.. please sort it out yourselves:yawinkle:

Kat,
You have done well so far , please carry on and we will go along with what you decide.

Neil.

[Morganna]

We would like to make a donation to whatever is organised , will just need to know to who and how.:goodman:

[K.Massey]

I was wondering if we can get a paypal acct sorted so members can pay into that and anything thats in the pot thats considered appropriate could be payed in too??? .

Kat if you can maybe get a family member to open an account, The link to that can be added to your signature or anyone elses to that matter...I would be glad to pop back in the money recieved from the IFF fund for the condolance book etc...it would have gone in there if we had a place to park it at the festival anyway...Maybe some of the remaining funds can be put in to kick it all off?
Doing it this way there would be no 3rd party..

Kev

[Kat67]

Kat if you can maybe get a family member to open an account, The link to that can be added to your signature or anyone elses to that matter...I would be glad to pop back in the money recieved from the IFF fund for the condolance book etc...it would have gone in there if we had a place to park it at the festival anyway...Maybe some of the remaining funds can be put in to kick it all off?
Doing it this way there would be no 3rd party..

Kev

You have pm on its way Kev:yawinkle:

[K.Massey]

You have pm on its way Kev:yawinkle:

Replied.....:lol:

[Harris]

As we are on the subject I am holding the condolence book, as I took it around the festival on the Sunday, it Currently has around 31 signatures. not many but its a good start, maybe the thread on here can be printed off and stuck into the book to go with it. I'm away tomorrow (again :roll:) so is there anybody I can send it to, who can continue the work?

Si

[Kat67]

As we are on the subject I am holding the condolence book, as I took it around the festival on the Sunday, it Currently has around 31 signatures. not many but its a good start, maybe the thread on here can be printed off and stuck into the book to go with it. I'm away tomorrow (again :roll:) so is there anybody I can send it to, who can continue the work?

Si

Kev is going to contact you about it.. I would like him to deal with it Si as we're getting sorted nicely with Brian things and trying to keep it off the festival threads..
Thanks:yawinkle:

Oh im printing the edited thread which will go beforehand.. A new thread will be put up in a few days including details for anyone wishing to donate..
Thanks

[K.Massey]

I took it around the festival on the Sunday, it Currently has around 31 signatures.

Your a good mand Si :supz:

[LeesHawks]

Your a good mand Si :supz:
so kev

come on spill the beans simon is really a mandi :lol: and i just noticed your banner quality :lol:

So where were ya then Mr nobody...... Nothing but a true keyboard falconer/warrior

lee

[Kat67]

so kev

come on spill the beans simon is really a mandi :lol: and i just noticed your banner quality :lol:

So where were ya then Mr nobody...... Nothing but a true keyboard falconer/warrior

lee

I'll have you know he's no Mandi he's :heart:Doreen:heart:

[LeesHawks]

oooooohhhhh :heart: doreen :heart: what lovely eyes you have :lol: hairy legs too

[Harris]

Mandi, Doreen. I bet I've been called far worse since the weekend. :roll::lol::lol:

[LeesHawks]

Mandi, Doreen. I bet I've been called far worse since the weekend. :roll::lol::lol:

si

well if you have mate i dont know why............. you dont look like a shirley :lol:

[K.Massey]

Mandi, Doreen. I bet I've been called far worse since the weekend. :roll::lol:

Sorry Simon...I just had you down as someones Biatch:lol:....Feel free to clean up and delete off topic :oops:

[TheCanopus]

Simon. I HAVE ALL THE EQUPIMET except that which was taken by lee. So I need to have the names of who won before I send anything out.

What a result......

PM sent Ben.

[TheCanopus]

Kit came today....Well chuffed :supz:

Thanks all.

[Mutton1]

As did mine many thanks :supz:

[Robam]

Nt sure how this has progressed in the last 2 weeks, but I personally I would like all auction funds to go to Macmillan, as planned, and a seperate collection done for Gentle, which I will happily donate to.

Regards

Rob


PS are the jewelled bells in the UK??, because I was told to contact turmunti (sp) which I did and he said he to give him a week.

[Kat67]

Nt sure how this has progressed in the last 2 weeks, but I personally I would like all auction funds to go to Macmillan, as planned, and a seperate collection done for Gentle, which I will happily donate to.

Regards

Rob


PS are the jewelled bells in the UK??, because I was told to contact turmunti (sp) which I did and he said he to give him a week.

Rob there is a thread for Gentles collection and so far only 4 people have donated and over 500 have viewed the thread :roll: Odd really seeing I had over 10 ask how they could send something!
Heres the link
http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=70372

[Robam]

Thanks for that Kat, just made my donation.

Regards

Rob

[Hawkmaster]

Nt sure how this has progressed in the last 2 weeks, but I personally I would like all auction funds to go to Macmillan, as planned, and a seperate collection done for Gentle, which I will happily donate to.

Regards

Rob


PS are the jewelled bells in the UK??, because I was told to contact turmunti (sp) which I did and he said he to give him a week.Send me your details and I will forward them to Ben:wink:

[Ben C]

robams gear sent.

[K.Massey]

but remember then money is being taking from the MacMillian Fund for which the orginal money was intended

How much exactly have they received?

Not a loaded question its that with talking to someone who donated good for this charity and subsequent auction I couldn't be sure what was said was what transpired

[LeesHawks]

How much exactly have they received?

Not a loaded question its that with talking to someone who donated good for this charity and subsequent auction I couldn't be sure what was said was what transpired

i think it is time we had some figures tallied up so we all know what has been made and donated to the cancer fund, also stormysky won the r-com incubator but hasnt recieved it yet ...has anything been done about it??

lee

[K.Massey]

i think it is time we had some figures tallied up so we all know what has been made and donated to the cancer fund, also stormysky won the r-com incubator but hasnt recieved it yet ...has anything been done about it??

lee

Lee I think there is a lot confused with what is happening.....

[Dean]

How about me,I got home counted my expenses,£20 short!!!:cry::lol:

[K.Massey]

How about me,I got home counted my expenses,£20 short!!!:cry::lol:

Dean your the lucky one value=£20

[Harris]

As far as I know no money has been paid to McMillan yet, the reason being we decided to wait until after Joe's BBQ as we obviously needed some funds to make it happen. The figures I posted on this thread are as far as I know the only income and expenditure to and from the fund. The exception is the £220.00 transfered to me yesterday by Paul, so that I can take Cash up to Joes Tomorrow for us to buy the food, Gas and Charcoal, what ever is left will go back into the fund.

Lee, You know I am dealing with the finances so no need for any further tallying yet :yawinkle: I don't know anything about the R-Com, who offered it? and who was organising it?

Dean why didn't you let us know you were £20.00 short sooner?

Kev there is no confusion mate. :yawinkle:

[K.Massey]

There is confusion Simon ... I know of one item that was donated for a Cancer charity.... I was sure and said in a conversation today that no money has been given to this charity yet and you have now confirmed it.

[Harris]

edited

Your reading it wrong! :lol: we said we would donate the balance, we don't know what the balance is yet until Joe's BBQ has been paid for. :yawinkle:

There will be plenty to donate.!!

[K.Massey]

The exception is the £220.00 transfered to me yesterday by Paul,

Is he still coming to the event?

[K.Massey]

Your reading it wrong! :lol: we said we would donate the balance, we don't know what the balance is yet until Joe's BBQ has been paid for. :yawinkle:

There will be plenty to donate.!!

Simon I know the amendments that have occurred with moving the goal posts....however the user that donated the goods in the beginning cant have kept up with the changes and seemed confused in the conversation

[Harris]

There is confusion Simon ... I know of one item that was donated for a Cancer charity.... I was sure and said in a conversation today that no money has been given to this charity yet and you have now confirmed it.

As far as I know, 1 or 2 of the items put up for auction have not been received, there is nothing underhand with this, I just think too many people were involved with the equipment. The R-Com I beleive hasn't left the company who offered it (but I may be wrong)

When the Donation to McMillan is made I can assure you that everyone will hear about it. :yawinkle:

Also the School Joe works for is run by a Charity, they have let us use their grounds and facilities to hold the BBQ, it would be a nice gesture to return that generosity by making a small donation to the school imo.

[LeesHawks]

simon

it is not a dig at you mate i know you have the finance written down, all i,m saying is that we should have had a bit more info about what is going on and what we have in the pot up to now! has every one paid there monies and recieved there goods ? paul has this info, with the weekend out the way we can then get the toital sorted and make the donation to the charity. just seem to be in the dark with it all myself.

lee

[K.Massey]

simon

it is not a dig at you mate i know you have the finance written down,


Echo that:supz:

[MarshallDirect]

How much did we manage to raise for the Macmillian trust in total I know the Marshall RT+ got £120 and the winner bidder has received the TX but it would be good to know how much we raised for such a worthy cause.

Ste Lea

[Harris]

How much did we manage to raise for the Macmillian trust in total I know the Marshall RT+ got £120 and the winner bidder has received the TX but it would be good to know how much we raised for such a worthy cause.

Ste Lea

See Posts 1 and 5 on this thread However I am still waiting for confirmation that the 2007 balance transfer was completed.

Perhaps I should point out that although I have kept a tally of all the income and expenditure, I have no actual access to any funds and have no way of confirming how much is in the account and have to rely on Paul sending me payment confirmations etc.

[K.Massey]

See Posts 1 and 5 on this thread However I am still waiting for confirmation that the 2007 balance transfer was completed.



The balance from 2007 has nothing to do with charity raising....

[K.Massey]

Perhaps I should point out that although I have kept a tally of all the income and expenditure, I have no actual access to any funds and have no way of confirming how much is in the account and have to rely on Paul sending me payment confirmations etc.

Si the balance in the account should tally up to what you have on the book

[Harris]

The balance from 2007 has nothing to do with charity raising....


I know but if it was paid then it will add to the balance, and will account for some of the expenditure, meaning the final balance to paid to McMillan will be higher.

Si the balance in the account should tally up to what you have on the book

In theory Yes. :-|

[Ben C]

I sent all the stuff out to all the winners.

BUT TERRY LARGE HAS NOT SENT ME THE OTHER EQUIPMENT EVEN AFTER EMAILS AND PHONECALLS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[K.Massey]

In theory Yes. :-|


Too polite there Si:lol:

There is obviously more to be added to the income to the first post as well yea?

[Harris]

This is what it should be.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff186/puppysandwich/estivalFinances.gif

[Kentish Falconry]

I know but if it was paid then it will add to the balance, and will account for some of the expenditure, meaning the final balance to paid to McMillan will be higher.



In theory Yes. :-|

Paul will be at the BBQ tomorrow so we can talk it through. I have to pay some money for my bid and will pay that tomorrow as well I think it is £20 or £30 as there was confusion over some of the numbers as I had booked them but then they were sold to someone else so I don't know what the tally is but Joe will know
See you all tomorrow have a good journey
Terry

[K.Massey]

This is what it should be.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff186/puppysandwich/estivalFinances.gif

looks a decent amount to be sent then Si...I am sure the 2007 account has been settled ....but I will double check it went through and no more paypal clitches again;)

[LeesHawks]

This is what it should be.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff186/puppysandwich/estivalFinances.gif


hi si

that looks better, well i reckon that the school could have say a £300 donation and the rest go to mc millan fund which is a mighty fine amount that would make it all worth the effort,

lee

[MarshallDirect]

Great suff so the IFF will have raised a good amount for the Macmillan trust then. That's great are we going to get a picture of the cheque presented and all that jazz. It would be positive PR in the falconry magazines etc.

SL

[LeesHawks]

Great suff so the IFF will have raised a good amount for the Macmillan trust then. That's great are we going to get a picture of the cheque presented and all that jazz. It would be positive PR in the falconry magazines etc.

SL

good idea

lee

[Ben C]

Great suff so the IFF will have raised a good amount for the Macmillan trust then. That's great are we going to get a picture of the cheque presented and all that jazz. It would be positive PR in the falconry magazines etc.

SL

BINGO..........thats a great idea. Shame we cannot give some to a falconry based charity as well. Or some form of game conservation etc etc

[K.Massey]

Great suff so the IFF will have raised a good amount for the Macmillan trust then. That's great are we going to get a picture of the cheque presented and all that jazz. It would be positive PR in the falconry magazines etc.

SL
Excellent Idea:supz:

[LeesHawks]

BINGO..........thats a great idea. Shame we cannot give some to a falconry based charity as well. Or some form of game conservation etc etc

that is a possibility maybe this

school 300
mc millan 1000
falconry 500

but which one ??

lee

[Harris]

Great suff so the IFF will have raised a good amount for the Macmillan trust then. That's great are we going to get a picture of the cheque presented and all that jazz. It would be positive PR in the falconry magazines etc.

SL

I suggested this right at the beginning :rolleyes::lol:

Better idea why don't we give some to the RSPB :lol::lol:

[Kentish Falconry]

BINGO..........thats a great idea. Shame we cannot give some to a falconry based charity as well. Or some form of game conservation etc etc

Ben, this is a good idea but I think it has to be looked at the next time we have a fund raiser. I also think we should elect a Treasurer next time who can control all the incoming and out goings as there seems to be a bit of a mess at the moment and we can't get the answers we need because Paul has no Internet at the new house yet and the Mobile Phone reception is really bad and it is almost imposible to get through to him.
Terry :)

[MarshallDirect]

Well it was raised for Macmillian so funds should go to that great cause. Maybe in the future another auction with say proceeds to go to GCT or IAF or whatever the forum decides, but in fund raising you can't hold an auction for one charity and then change to another and I know that Marshall put the RT+ in for the Macmillan trust. I think BFC , WHC, IHC every club member that has donated funds or given items should try and get a little positive PR from this. It shows that although the IFF is often poo pooed some real positive stuff comes from the people on here. Well done all those involved.

SL

[Harris]

that is a possibility maybe this

school 300
mc millan 1000
falconry 500

but which one ??

lee

If we did go down this road, we have a lot of bridges to build with the Hawk Board!!!!!

[K.Massey]

Well it was raised for Macmillian so funds should go to that great cause. Maybe in the future another auction with say proceeds to go to GCT or IAF or whatever the forum decides, but in fund raising you can't hold an auction for one charity and then change to another and I know that Marshall put the RT+ in for the Macmillan trust. I think BFC , WHC, IHC every club member that has donated funds or given items should try and get a little positive PR from this. It shows that although the IFF is often poo pooed some real positive stuff comes from the people on here. Well done all those involved.

SL

Makes sense

[Harris]

Ben, this is a good idea but I think it has to be looked at the next time we have a fund raiser. I also think we should elect a Treasurer next time who can control all the incoming and out goings as there seems to be a bit of a mess at the moment and we can't get the answers we need because Paul has no Internet at the new house yet and the Mobile Phone reception is really bad and it is almost impossible to get through to him.
Terry :)

I just spoke to him, He's ringing me back in 5 mins. The problem is that the funds raised are paid into Paul's account. What we need is a separate account solely for the IFF with an elected treasurer looking after it, it would have been so much easier if I had been able to keep tabs on the account as well rather than rely on email confirmations from Paul.

[GoodFooter]

Well it was raised for Macmillian so funds should go to that great cause. Maybe in the future another auction with say proceeds to go to GCT or IAF or whatever the forum decides, but in fund raising you can't hold an auction for one charity and then change to another and I know that Marshall put the RT+ in for the Macmillan trust. I think BFC , WHC, IHC every club member that has donated funds or given items should try and get a little positive PR from this. It shows that although the IFF is often poo pooed some real positive stuff comes from the people on here. Well done all those involved.

SL
good point.

[Kentish Falconry]

If we did go down this road, we have a lot of bridges to build with the Hawk Board!!!!!

Simon this is a big NoNo the funds were raised for 2 reasons 1, to fund the IFF at the Festival and 2, to give the remainder to a chosen charity.
I agree we must make a donation to the School for the BBQ but the rest must go to MacMillian
Terry

[K.Massey]

Ben, this is a good idea but I think it has to be looked at the next time we have a fund raiser. I also think we should elect a Treasurer next time who can control all the incoming and out goings as there seems to be a bit of a mess at the moment and we can't get the answers we need because Paul has no Internet at the new house yet and the Mobile Phone reception is really bad and it is almost imposible to get through to him.
Terry :)

Terry there is nothing wrong with the treasurer now bud....the problem lies when dissuasions are made without any committee discussions or input... also I-M-O the funds should be controlled by the treasurer

[Ben C]

Well it was raised for Macmillian so funds should go to that great cause. Maybe in the future another auction with say proceeds to go to GCT or IAF or whatever the forum decides, but in fund raising you can't hold an auction for one charity and then change to another and I know that Marshall put the RT+ in for the Macmillan trust. I think BFC , WHC, IHC every club member that has donated funds or given items should try and get a little positive PR from this. It shows that although the IFF is often poo pooed some real positive stuff comes from the people on here. Well done all those involved.

SL


Agreed........your right. It is only fair.:supz::supz::supz:

All fund to MacMillan......

[Harris]

Simon this is a big NoNo the funds were raised for 2 reasons 1, to fund the IFF at the Festival and 2, to give the remainder to a chosen charity.
I agree we must make a donation to the School for the BBQ but the rest must go to McMillan
Terry

Yes I totally agree Terry, I'm just thinking out load mate. :lol:

[K.Massey]

What we need is a separate account solely for the IFF with an elected treasurer looking after it, it would have been so much easier if I had been able to keep tabs on the account as well rather than rely on email confirmations from Paul.

Amen...along with transparancy....weeks ago I was not trying to be a T w a t over all this just trying to save a lot of grief later (now)

[Ben C]

Amen...along with transparancy....weeks ago I was not trying to be a T w a t over all this just trying to save a lot of grief later (now)

:supz::supz::supz::supz:

[Harris]

Amen...along with transparancy....weeks ago I was not trying to be a T w a t over all this just trying to save a lot of grief later (now)

I know that Kev, and as you know from our conversations I promised to do my bit by keeping tabs on as much of it as I could, which I think I have just about managed to do, imagine the mess if I hadn't kept a spread sheet. :roll::lol:

[Miliscer]

But hang on, people donated lots and bid on lots for Mcmillan - a very worth while cause - totally agree. Some of this money went on a tow bar - hmm ok. Now you are wanting to spend over £200 on a BBQ? I think you might find that raising funds under the guise of it being for charity and then using it for personal gain is actually illegal.

[Kentish Falconry]

Terry there is nothing wrong with the treasurer now bud....the problem lies when dissuasions are made without any committee discussions or input... also I-M-O the funds should be controlled by the treasurer

Kev that is exactly what I said the Treasurer should hold the purse strings and all incoming and outgoing payments should go through the Treasurer once agreed by the Committee for all out goings.
Paul had to put all the payment through his private account and this needs to be looked at as there may end up being some tax to be paid on the incomings, I hope this will not be the case but as we are not a registered Charity it may just crop up
Terry :)

[MarshallDirect]

Well I know you guys will sort it out. Either way I think its a real merit to the IFF that such a good sum will go to Macmillan which is nothing to do with falconry, but is for a cause that will have touched many of us over the years, well done.

SL

[Ben C]

But hang on, people donated lots and bid on lots for Mcmillan - a very worth while cause - totally agree. Some of this money went on a tow bar - hmm ok. Now you are wanting to spend over £200 on a BBQ? I think you might find that raising funds under the guise of it being for charity and then using it for personal gain is actually illegal.

Interesting Mike.

The Barny is technically not 'personal' it's part of the fund raising, as we will no doubt all give donations for it when we arrive.

The tow bar is only on ONE persons car.

[Harris]

But hang on, people donated lots and bid on lots for Mcmillan - a very worth while cause - totally agree. Some of this money went on a tow bar - hmm ok. Now you are wanting to spend over £200 on a BBQ? I think you might find that raising funds under the guise of it being for charity and then using it for personal gain is actually illegal.

Mike I'm not going to go over everything that has been said on all the threads on the subject. The original intention was to raise money for an IFF BBQ etc at the festival, that didn't happen so its happening at Joe's we always stated that the balance would go to McMillan. Please tell me who is making a personal gain!!!!!! :twisted:

[Miliscer]

Interesting Mike.

The Barny is technically not 'personal' it's part of the fund raising, as we will no doubt all give donations for it when we arrive.

The tow bar is only on ONE persons car.

But its not going to the cause it was raised for either.

[Ben C]

But its not going to the cause it was raised for either.

True, but I am sure this will be offset by donations from members tomorrow....well it should be.

[Miliscer]

True, but I am sure this will be offset by donations from members tomorrow....well it should be.

Then the donations should pay for the BBQ - this does not sit right.

[Harris]

A whole thread was started regarding the Towbar and everyone was given the opportunity to object. We have to have a way of transporting the IFF Marquee around the country and a trailer is needed. Paul is driving 6 hours tomorrow to get it to Joe's from Devon, he is not getting any expenses. Although I can appreciate that some people are not happy about the Towbar, we asked for alternative options on the thread, and it appeared to be the only viable option.

[JanH]

Mike I'm not going to go over everything that has been said on all the threads on the subject. The original intention was to raise money for an IFF BBQ etc at the festival, that didn't happen so its happening at Joe's we always stated that the balance would go to McMillan. Please tell me who is making a personal gain!!!!!! :twisted:


If it helps.....

I spent 50 quid on Joe's fab auctions and am happy for all of my money to be spent at tomorrow's BBQ, even though I am unable to make it.

[Harris]

Then the donations should pay for the BBQ - this does not sit right.

Mike, McMillan was always secondary to the IFF BBQ!!! You've obviously not read all the threads :roll:

I don't think anybody who donated etc was under any delusion as to how this was being run. Anyway this is just covering old ground this issue has been discussed on the other threads and I see no reason to repeat it now.

[K.Massey]

The original intention was to raise money for an IFF BBQ etc at the festival,

The original post did say it was for charity...then it was changed to the BBQ/festival.... Splitting hairs ain't going to help things....but Ben does have a point...draw a line under it all now and move on

[LeesHawks]

A whole thread was started regarding the Towbar and everyone was given the opportunity to object. We have to have a way of transporting the IFF Marquee around the country and a trailer is needed. Paul is driving 6 hours tomorrow to get it to Joe's from Devon, he is not getting any expenses. Although I can appreciate that some people are not happy about the Towbar, we asked for alternative options on the thread, and it appeared to be the only viable option.

and the cheapest, lets not start this one again it was sorted end of, so leave it alone

[Harris]

and the cheapest, lets not start this one again it was sorted end of, so leave it alone

I agree Lee, its just some people who have had no input, have made no contribution either financial or otherwise, are happy to sit behind a screen and do their best to cause problems. :roll:

[K.Massey]

I agree Lee, its just some people who have had no input, have made no contribution either financial or otherwise, are happy to sit behind a screen and do their best to cause problems. :roll:

First time in all this you have shown the wrong attitude:roll:

[Miliscer]

Mike, McMillan was always secondary to the IFF BBQ!!! You've obviously not read all the threads :roll:

I don't think anybody who donated etc was under any delusion as to how this was being run. Anyway this is just covering old ground this issue has been discussed on the other threads and I see no reason to repeat it now.


Simon, I have just re read the threads, no where in there does it say the money will be used for a BBQ or P up?

Maybe ask Hatti what she thinks of it from a legal stand point, but I know my thoughts. Still I think this thread is best lined under as Ben says.

I wont be attending the BBQ now, as I dont feel the monies should be used for a P up.

But I have saved them all for when the do go missing.

Mike

[K.Massey]

I wont be attending the BBQ now, as I dont feel the monies should be used for a P up.

Mike

Shame you aint there...and be assured money will not be used for the latter;)

[Ben C]

It will all tally eventually, we will make sure of that. I don't think anyone would rip off a charity on here.

[Harris]

First time in all this you have shown the wrong attitude:roll:

No Kev not a bad attitude mate, I just don't like troublemakers :yawinkle:

[K.Massey]

No Kev not a bad attitude mate, I just don't like troublemakers :yawinkle:

Its not...there are loads of charity scams and input like Mikes is valid

There is an amount of £90 quid for the bbq whats that for?

[LeesHawks]

I wont be attending the BBQ now, as I dont feel the monies should be used for a P up.

But I have saved them all for when the do go missing.

Mike[/quote]


mike

that is a shame that you feel that way but no money from the collection is buying beer or anything alcoholic for the bbq, and more money is to be raised from it, speculate to accumilate ect, if we spend £100 for food aND IT MAKES £200 RAISED THEN SURELY THE EXTRA £100 IS BETTER FOR THE FUND ?

lee

sorry for the caps!

[LeesHawks]

Its not...there are loads of charity scams and input like Mikes is valid

There is an amount of £90 quid for the bbq whats that for?

kev

the 99.62 was for food bought for the festival bbq

lee

[K.Massey]

kev

the 99.62 was for food bought for the festival bbq

lee

So I presume its OK for those that didn't raise a penny or donate a thing to reap benefits... but others that fit the same criteria to be deemed trouble if they add input:rolleyes::roll:

[Kentish Falconry]

Then the donations should pay for the BBQ - this does not sit right.

This was sorted out by the fund raising committee and it was agreed that the BBQ would be held at Joe,s as part of the fund raising.
There is nothing wrong with that and any money raised at the BBQ will also go into the funds so by next Monday/Tuesday we should have all the final figures together and I am sure you will be pleased with the outcome
Terry :)

[LeesHawks]

So I presume its OK for those that didn't raise a penny or donate a thing to reap benefits... but others that fit the same criteria to be deemed trouble if they add input:rolleyes::roll:

lost me a bit there kev....my original idea was that burgers and such was charged a small fee for maybe 50p or something so that more money was raised to cover the expenses. i dont want to argue about it

lee

[Harris]

I have just had confirmation that the balance from 2007 has not been transfered to the account, if it had it would have paid for both BBQ's, :twisted:

[JanH]

Simon, I have just re read the threads, no where in there does it say the money will be used for a BBQ or P up?

Maybe ask Hatti what she thinks of it from a legal stand point, but I know my thoughts. Still I think this thread is best lined under as Ben says.

I wont be attending the BBQ now, as I dont feel the monies should be used for a P up.

But I have saved them all for when the do go missing.

Mike

When I spent my money on Joe's auctions I knew EXACTLY what it was going towards.

"BBQ for IFF members", "using IFF Tent as a focal point", "ensuring members were able to meet & enjoy Festival", "remainder of funds raised to Macmillan" mentioned on various posts, try the following as examples.....

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1108070&postcount=4
http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1108157&postcount=9
http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1108157&postcount=9
http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1108228&postcount=12

[LeesHawks]

I have just had confirmation that the balance from 2007 has not been transfered to the account, if it had it would have paid for both BBQ's, :twisted:

who is responsible for that then si ? can they not bring the balance to the bbq ?

[Harris]

who is responsible for that then si ? can they not bring the balance to the bbq ?

MrColin mate.:yawinkle:

[LeesHawks]

MrColin mate.:yawinkle:

is he coming to the bbq ? has anyone spoke to him about it ? as to why it hasnt been transfered yet ?

lee

[HalkyWalky]

[quote=JanH;1188590]When I spent my money on Joe's auctions I knew EXACTLY what it was going towards.

"BBQ for IFF members", "using IFF Tent as a focal point", "ensuring members were able to meet & enjoy Festival", "remainder of funds raised to Macmillan" mentioned on various posts,

i didnt contribute towards the fundraising so i know i havent really a right to say what i think but i will go ahead anyway
The reason i didnt was because i didnt think much money was required at the festival and i felt hattie Sara and i had contributed enough the year before at the Northern falconry fair to support the iff This we did ourselves and managed to provide a bbq and drinks as well as promoting the iff all 2 days long.
I thought it would be interesting to see if the festival was managed better.If the above reasons where for raising the money i dont think they were satisfied as by the sound of it no one even found the tent let alone made it a focal point and yet it cost all that money to put it there and to buy a tow bar to get it there what was the flipping point of that ?sounds like a complete waste of money to me and even £99 for a bbq that was bacon or sausage sandwiches as far as i can gather (correct me if i am wrong) for the select few that happened to know it was on?
the remaining money for the macmillan charity is great though and i think the iff should be proud of that .I also think it was great of the people who donated prizes and just urge some sence into how much of the remaining money you spend (£300 to the school for example sounds far to much too me)

oh also is hawkmaster bringing the marque so it can be used at the bbq if it rains? i hope so so it gets some use.

[Harris]

is he coming to the bbq ? has anyone spoke to him about it ? as to why it hasnt been transfered yet ?

lee

Paul was dealing with it mate I don't think he is coming.

It might also be worth pointing out something that I have just realised regarding Paypal. and that is the fees!!

Paul transfered £220.00 yesterday to my Paypal account so I can take my cash to Joe's, Paypal have taken £7.68 in fees leaving only £212.32.

Obviously all the payments into Paul's account (or any paypal account for that matter) will also be subject to the 3.4% + 0.20p fee per transaction, so for every £10.00 paid in Paypal will take 54 Pence. so a quick estimate would be that Paypal will have taken approximately £140.00 in fees :roll:

[Kentish Falconry]

Paul was dealing with it mate I don't think he is coming.

It might also be worth pointing out something that I have just realised regarding Paypal. and that is the fees!!

Paul transfered £220.00 yesterday to my Paypal account so I can take my cash to Joe's, Paypal have taken £7.68 in fees leaving only £212.32.

Obviously all the payments into Paul's account (or any paypal account for that matter) will also be subject to the 3.4% + 0.20p fee per transaction, so for every £10.00 paid in Paypal will take 54 Pence. so a quick estimate would be that Paypal will have taken approximately £140.00 in fees :roll:

I had a Text message from Paul a couple of hours ago saying he was going to the BBQ and that he would have to leave early so he could get the Marquee erected for the BBQ so unless he has contacted you and said he has changed his mind then I am sure he will be there with the Marquee
Terry :)

[Harris]

I had a Text message from Paul a couple of hours ago saying he was going to the BBQ and that he would have to leave early so he could get the Marquee erected for the BBQ so unless he has contacted you and said he has changed his mind then I am sure he will be there with the Marquee
Terry :)

I've just got off the phone to Him Terry. He is driving up with the Marquee tonight. :yawinkle:

[Kentish Falconry]

I've just got off the phone to Him Terry. He is driving up with the Marquee tonight. :yawinkle:

There you go then he will be there and I just looked at the original thread for the Dog Training Lessons and I have to pay £30 so will give it to you tomorrow
Terry :)

[Kennelre]

Jeeeesus!!!! This is the first time I've ever made a comment on a thread without reading all of it. What the hell's the point. You lot are just making it up as you go along!!!


...Rene.

[Harris]

Jeeeesus!!!! This is the first time I've ever made a comment on a thread without reading all of it. What the hell's the point. You lot are just making it up as you go along!!!


...Rene.

Perhaps you should read it then Rene.

[MickeyDredd]

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=70072

[LeesHawks]

Jeeeesus!!!! This is the first time I've ever made a comment on a thread without reading all of it. What the hell's the point. You lot are just making it up as you go along!!!


...Rene.

forgive me rene where is your comment? i carnt find it

lee

[Kennelre]

forgive me rene where is your comment? i carnt find it

lee

Are you trying to be funny?


...Rene.

[LeesHawks]

Are you trying to be funny?


...Rene.

not at all why ? i carnt see a post from you other than the outburst so to speak ...why would i be funny about the simple question of where have you posted as i can not see it

lee

[HallBeck]

not at all why ? i carnt see a post from you other than the outburst so to speak ...why would i be funny about the simple question of where have you posted as i can not see it

lee

Lee - you quoted Renes comment and then asked where her comment was!

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

I think it was a bit of a missunderstanding there...

[HalkyWalky]

Renes point was that the goal posts keep moving

[Kennelre]

not at all why ? i carnt see a post from you other than the outburst so to speak ...why would i be funny about the simple question of where have you posted as i can not see it

lee

Tell you what Lee...just count my little 'outburst' as a post.


...Rene.

[HalkyWalky]

Or in other words the people in charge are making up the rules as they go along

[HallBeck]

Or in other words the people in charge are making up the rules as they go along

Thats the impression i get from reading this thread (not read quite all of it though - theres more to life!)

I trust someone is accounting to the HMRC for this money raised. I can't see how it isn't taxable.

[LeesHawks]

Lee - you quoted Renes comment and then asked where her comment was!

no i was looking for a comment prior to that one as if rene hadnt read all the posts and has said something to which was already answered in the posts that she hadnt read, dont matter it just confused me, but lets all keep our hair on straight

lee

[LeesHawks]

you know what maybe people who havent taken part in it all and have contributed nothing should KEEP OUT OF IT and let the ones that are trying to do a good thing continue, in the next 7 days all should be done and sorted and the monies ready to hand over to the charity.
and thank god when it is all done and dusted, hopefully there will never be another one, if there is then count me out, as working along side some of the bloody moaning whinging baffoons that come on here is so bloody frustrating it is UNREAL, get a life you people

[LeesHawks]

I trust someone is accounting to the HMRC for this money raised. I can't see how it isn't taxable.[/quote]


because it is paid to a charity who give you a receipt with their tax exemption number on it, which in turn is put into your own accounts along with any other reciepts that would come under ''costs'' to raise the money for charity

[HallBeck]

I

because it is paid to a charity who give you a receipt with their tax exemption number on it, which in turn is put into your own accounts along with any other reciepts that would come under ''costs'' to raise the money for charity

I think you are wrong - but in view of the comment you made below - i will leave you experts at it.

you know what maybe people who havent taken part in it all and have contributed nothing should KEEP OUT OF IT and let the ones that are trying to do a good thing continue,

working along side some of the bloody moaning whinging baffoons that come on here is so bloody frustrating it is UNREAL, get a life you people

[LeesHawks]

I think you are wrong - but in view of the comment you made below - i will leave you experts at it.

maybe but up to now the donations my company have made to charities, the reciept and exemption number have been processed with no problem infact quite the opposite,

my rant is because i dont understand why people who dont agree with it or dont want to do anything for it even take part in the bbq why do they therefore want to poke their noses in and stir **** for ??? it just makes you want to blow your brains out

[HallBeck]

maybe but up to now the donations my company have made to charities, the reciept and exemption number have been processed with no problem infact quite the opposite,

my rant is because i dont understand why people who dont agree with it or dont want to do anything for it even take part in the bbq why do they therefore want to poke their noses in and stir **** for ??? it just makes you want to blow your brains out

Because not all of it is stirring - some of it is advice that, for some reason, gets taken as stirring.

[LeesHawks]

Because not all of it is stirring - some of it is advice that, for some reason, gets taken as stirring.

well how about letting us get on with it and if it goes wrong then you can all say told you so! till then lets see what happens.
people who dont want to take part can keep out of it and the ones that do will be welcomed with there input. simple

[HallBeck]

well how about letting us get on with it and if it goes wrong then you can all say told you so! till then lets see what happens.
people who dont want to take part can keep out of it and the ones that do will be welcomed with there input. simple

Fine. Don't feel exactly welcome anyway.

[Harris]

Ok Guys Time out, everyone needs to cool down. I didn't want to Moderate this thread in case I am accused of Bias etc, but Its only me on line and I can't let this continue. I will clean it up and reopen it

[GaryPCO]

personal posts deleted..... this thread however will stay closed for the time bein!!! please keep insults to yourselfs please guys!!!