http://www.hawkworks.co.uk/

[Sean]

http://www.hawkworks.co.uk/
what do yougusy amke of this site? gear seems to look a bit weird, and telemtry set for £125 quid, is it a conn?

[Hawkmaster]

Yes that is the Hawkeagle gear.

[Sean]

so it is a con? :o

[Hawkmaster]

No probably not not! Just don't know how good it is? Maybe someone wants to ask the owner to come here and tell us?

[Osiris]

PMSL :lol:

I have one of their Hawking Bags which i bought about 7years ago. Still in good nick. Their gloves back then seem something to be criticised! Dont know what they are like now!

They are really nice people to buy from, just dont know what their gloves etc. are like now.

J

[Kanati]

someone needs to give them the name of a good web designer! Thats a pretty un-attractive web site...even for an amature attempt!

The stuff they sell might be great, but without recomendation, I would not stay on that site long enough to find out...

[HawkWorks]

No, it's not a con.
I've been making telemetry for over 11 years.
And some of you may recall that I am the designer of that set with the bayonet-on elements. Made over 300 of them.

As to HOW I can do it, well it tells you on the page.

But you might like to ask another question.

Why are other sets so expensive when electronics are so cheap these days?

Of course it's not suitable for longwings (unless your desparate). But it's fine for hawks & superb for owls.

Range is about half that of my 2-stage transmitter system - the Hawkfinder. And that's the same as a suspiciously similar looking system (I recently acquired one to evaluate. Odd that every circuit in the thing is encased in potting compound. Quite how it can be repaired is beyond me). And the same performance as (I'm told) the Tracker.

I'm working on a VHF system at the moment. Should be ready in time for Xmas. Anyone wanting a sneak preview look on http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/thefalconrysuppliers/xr1.htm


We used to advertise in the Cage & Aviary but we have only just this year got onto the internet.

Perhaps the gear (and the website) are simply not what you're used to seeing. Well I consider the standard of programming on the internet pretty poor. Pages that can't be properly read on a high resolution set up, broken links all over the place. But that's another story. Suffice it to say, that's the way it will stay - even if its costing us postiion on Google. This sport isn't like any other - it doesn't warrant a a standard template-based website. And it's written with beginners in mind. No doubt more experienced falconers will manage to find their way around it.

Sorry to hear somone's had trouble with one of my gloves. Did you grease it? Exactly how long ago did you buy it?

Pete Chapman

[Hawkmaster]

Pete you may want to send a PM to Sparrow, he can help you with many aspects of your website. You should also get on to him about becoming a site sponsor on here and then you will have a potential of a quarter of a million page hits per month, to the people that matter, falconers.

Paul

[HawkWorks]

Thanks for the offer of help.

But that's the way I've designed the site & that's the look I want. Main thing is for it to be legible, and to provide all the info required. Main thing in mind was to provide answers for all the beginners - I've been answering them for years on the phone.

More experienced falconers should be able to find what they want without difficulty.

And I see no merit in rehashing the same layouts as everyone else uses - that's not how progress is made - in anything. My site requires no knowlege of computers or the internet whatsoever. Have you any idea how many pages remain unviewed because people can't find the link they need?

Pete

[HawkWorks]

Hope I've done this right. Somone was asking for a recommendation:


If you are looking for a cheaper but still effective telemetry set try Hawkfinder.

I've used it on a male harris for three years and it has never let me down although the only time I have used it was when I test the system. Do this by either getting a mate to hide it a mile or two away and then you find it. If you have the best system costing £££££££ then whats the point if you cant use it.

The guys name is P.T Chapman and his no. is 0115 8498364

[HawkWorks]

Yes, Sean is quite correct. Some of the pics are composited, some are retinted (eg to reflect current stocks of leather), or retouched (to cover design changes). Some are drawingsOnly recently got a digital camera, so I've had to make do with the pics I had. Pictures will be replaced as & when I have the opportunity.

Pete

[Jazz1]

Hi well i have to say that i got myself a hawkfinder set and to tell the turth it was a rip off.
Was out on friday passed and it was starting to get grey dark and my hawk took a flight at a bird in a tree she missed it truned and started to come back.I lost sight of her come back over the tree's got out the Receiver and started to walk about.
The Receiver was not picking up a single bleep nothing at all it was Dead and i was starting to think the worst.After and half hour of not getting a BLEEP
and dark by this point my son and myself went back to the car.
My son shouted dad she's over there i here the BELLS minding i was still not picking anything up on the Receiver walked around a bend in the track and there she was sitting on a fence post close to the car.
At this point my Receiver started BLEEPING at the most 40ft from my hawk.
SO THE LESSON LERNED HERE WAS YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR SO NOW WILL BE GETTING A BETTER SET UP SOMETHING THAT IS MORE LIKE A HAWKFINDER AND NOT A FERRET FINDER.
Thank GOD for bells.

[Jester]

only tried mine from 1 mile so far and worked fine 8-)

the problem came when i was within about 50 yards of it as i had signal just about everywhere :( until i read the instructions a bit better and figured how to use it :oops: ........... take the antennae off and use the reciever back to front then i found it by following the direction where the beep was either missing or very faint.

the flashing LED on the owl tranny is not too bad though but i only see it when he is flying away from me and once he is perched his wings cover the tailmount.

sorry Pete i havent had a chance to try to get video of it but will do as soon as i remember to take my camera with me

[HawkWorks]

Thanks, Jester. That was a Skytrack BTW (single stage). The 2 stage ones go twice as far. 40ft is about right for the resolution at about 15ft high. I can't improve upon that without going to a metal box & more expensive control gear, both of which would add to the price. I wanted to get that set down as low as the cost of a Barn Owl, £125 is really as low as I can go.

The light would be more visible if you use a button bewit - but that's at the expense of signal if Jester's on the deck.

Gary (Jazz), I'm sorry you're having trouble with your set. The set should not be "dead" it should have a static hiss. You must have bought it second hand as we have shipped no sets to Fife recently. The problems you have experienced could be caused by a number of reasons.

Gain not turned up
Battery flat in receiver or transmitter
Insulation missing from one of the transmitter battery frame legs (tip for everyone, that).
Range/power switch set at short range.
Connecting the antenna with the attenuator coupling (the long black one) rather than the standard coupling.
Setting the Tone Mode switch to Pico - it should normally be set to Pulse
Antenna coupling broken loose, causing no signal to connect.

If you could let me know the following, I will try to sort out your problem.


Serial number or alphanumeric code of the receiver (in the lid) and transmitter (at the base of the wire)?
Colour tag of system (gain knob, & colour band at transmitter base)? Not present if the set is very old
Is it a single or 2 stage transmitter (1-stage 1" or less long, 2-stage 1.5"-1.75" long)?
Does the transmitter have an indicator LED?
Do you have instructions?
Did you practice with the set?

When you have replied to these, I will send you the link to the Online Manual

Best Regards

Pete

[Jester]

not overly fussed about seeing the LED to be honest but it is handy to see where he is heading off to when he is flying away from me and there is probably enough light leaking for the night vision scope to pick up (havent tried yet but i think it should be enough) failing that the NV will pick up his glowing eyes :-)

dont really want to use leg mount as the jesses are enough to be having on his legs (just in case one day he does manage to get a rabbit :lol: )


for the money it seems more than adequate for an owl and feels a good bit more solidly built and easier to use than the jeross system (just my opinion for what its worth)

[Sean]

HW what do u mean 40ft soudns right at 15ft?

the 125quid sounds good, but what distance will it go, and will the transmitter be light enough for small male harris? If ordered in early december will it be here for xmas? my m8 is still waiting for his, but i could ask one for xmas lol. i dont mind if it goes a mile, with a harris, i can always drive around for a signal.

[Liam Hay]

have to say i had one glove of u and found the equipment cheap and cheerfull the glove is still good 7 years from new, delightfull ppl and they serve a purpose

[HawkWorks]

HW what do u mean 40ft soudns right at 15ft?

The higher the transmitter is, the more signal it radiates (that's why they put antenna's on tall masts) at 15 ft high you can pinpoint it to 40 ft

the 125quid sounds good, but what distance will it go, and will the transmitter be light enough for small male harris? If ordered in early december will it be here for xmas? my m8 is still waiting for his, but i could ask one for xmas lol. i dont mind if it goes a mile, with a harris, i can always drive around for a signal.

The higher the transmitter is, the more signal it radiates (that's why they put antenna's on tall masts) at 15 ft high you can pinpoint it to around 40 ft, lower & you'll get closer. One of the limitations of the set.

Weight & size are the same as the open frame 2 stage job I use on my male HH, so, yeah it will be fine. Its about 10mm shorter than the Jeross & a couple of grams lighter. And it doesn't cost £4 a throw to replace the batts. Range is very variable & depends on height of transmitter & receiver & the nature of the intervening terrain & vegetation, but it should prove satisfactory.

Delivery at the moment is about 10 days. It takes about a day to make one, but of course, they're made in batches. Should be OK as long as you order 1st week in December.

Drop me a private e-mail (from my site) when you want one.

Best Regards

Pete

[Sean]

I still dont understand what u mean by
''The higher the transmitter is, the more signal it radiates (that's why they put antenna's on tall masts) at 15 ft high you can pinpoint it to around 40 ft, lower & you'll get closer. One of the limitations of the set.
''
sorry, do u mean that u can only get a signal from 40 ft, or the closest signal u can pinpoint is 40 ft, if so what is the range of the cheap set. lol sorry to sound so confusing

[HawkWorks]

The closest you will be able to pin-point the transmitter is about 40ft. if the hawk is about 15 ft. up. With ethe bird on the ground, it will be more like 20ft. The range will be anything up to 5-6 miles under best conditions.

[Jazz1]

Well i'm sorry HW but there is know way i belive they pick up 5/6 miles of.
Yes the set i had was 2nd hand but the guy got it a year ago never used it like new all new batteries in both parts.
worked great in his back garden but on a hawk?
That why he has it back now i went back with it the night and got my money back.
Why should you be up 15ft???
Should be able 2 stand anywhere and get 5/6miles

[HawkWorks]

Well i'm sorry HW but there is know way i belive they pick up 5/6 miles of.
Yes the set i had was 2nd hand but the guy got it a year ago never used it like new all new batteries in both parts.
worked great in his back garden but on a hawk?
That why he has it back now i went back with it the night and got my money back.
Why should you be up 15ft???
Should be able 2 stand anywhere and get 5/6miles
That set will go considerably further - depending on the operating conditions. The 15 ft and 5-6 miles you're refering to was on a completely different aspect of performance of a diferent system - a less powerful system. But its a common mistake to think of a system as having an "operating radius" - it doesn't work like that at all.

The questions still remain:
Did you practise with it?
And did you get the instructions?

Pete

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

The intention of telemetry is to aid you to get your lost hawk back. This system falls down in numerous ways. Under field conditions you need to know its going to get you if need be right up to your bird. This is regardless of species. Save your money and buy something else that does this. I have tried this system before its sat in the garage covered i n dust.

[Osiris]

Having a well designed and programmed site, which is aesthetically pleasing increses traffic and makes the user want to browse through your site. I to program web sites which i try to make even more aesthetically pleasing in every update.

http://www.dryburghfalconry.co.uk - just updated with new design

http://www.borderprints.co.uk - updating now...

Cheers

Jamie

[Sean]

if im not happy with it, is it possible to get my money back? and whats the battery life on the transmitters like?

[Sean]

also, what is the frequency?

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Sean please dont buy one of these systems they are ****! Put the money toward a decent one.

[HawkWorks]

No, I don't supply them "on approval", but if you found the range or resolution insufficient, you could upgrade to the more powerful/better close up system, or even the VHF one when it becomes available. There would be no "additional" charge for this - not even the original postage - you just pay the straightforward difference.

Frequency is 433.92 MHz - the UK/European UHF allocation for this type of application. The system is CE compliant.

Pete

[Sean]

is the frequency legal? and what other slightly better sets do u have, above 125 but below 200 quid lol?

[HawkWorks]

7 days continuous on silver oxide batteries - it's on the transmitter page.

And whilst the performance may be limited, certainly I think at the price it's worthwhile. If you want ultimate performance, & don't mind carrying a TV aerial on your back (or leaving it at home/in car), & don't mind having to tune in your transmitter, & have sufficient funds, both marshall & luksander have an unimpeachable reputation.

I have sold 10 Skytrack-E s, the first shipped in July. Two have gone to the same falconry centre in Scotland (on separate orders). One came on the personal recommendation of the customer's neighbour (Manchester). 2 are in Wales (one for a lanner - all he could afford) , one in Norfolk, one just up the road from me. The rest are in Scotland (one of which you've heard from - Jester). One was posted yesterday, one is in production.

I have had no complaints. Presumably, for that money, people aren't expecting too much & when they find the system is much better than they thought, they are delighted. Particularly with the latest model, which has the clip mount, long battery life, screw top transmitter, bayonet elements & aluminium boom.

Pete

[Sean]

right, lol im really considering getting this. im a sucker for a bargin. will it find a hawk within a mile radiuos ? and pinpointing 40ft away is fine, as i can just get the lure out. so will it find my bird? sorry to go on lol, also do u do the wee clips u just squeeze with pliers onto the deck feather? as i dont want to be using a plastic or leather tailmount with a bell and anything else that can weight him down

[HawkWorks]

If the bird is on a kill, I couldn't guarantee a mile for all receiver positions. Not with this set, not with the longer range set. If you ascend to an elevated position, say a railway embankment, you will get well over a mile. If the bird is in a tree - several miles. Thats how UHF works.

Never had a VHF set to play with so I don't know how good they are. But I see problems with the size of a VHF antenna - it's not my idea of falconry to lug one of those contraptions around with me. But it's interesting to learn that Wildlife Tracking systems rate their merlin tranmitter at one mile. They do not state the conditions.

(Anyone having a single stage transmitter might like to post & tell Sean (& myself) what range you actually DO get. Doubt if any could guarantee a mile)

Quoting line of site - or more properly, free space path - is meaningless. Its 75 miles for the Skytrack, 150 for the LR1, 2000 for the VHF set I'm building. I quote the maximum obtainable under actual hawking conditions - without the necessity of having to use an aircraft. But it would be wrong to assume you would get, say, 80% of that "most of the time". You won't. Not with anything. The kind of ranges manufacturers quote are only available when your longwing goes up.

If you're in any doubt, as the man says, save up your pennies. It's not worth upsetting anyone for the 70 odd quid profit (and a days work).

I could make a crimp on, but would be unhappy. You can buy them from other people, but I wouldn't use one with a 10 g. transmitter. The plectrum mount is no heavier & far more secure (you don't have to have the extra bell mounts). Also, if they are made from 2 tubes soldered 1 above the other, there is a high probability of breakage. Annoying.

Yes the frequency is legal.

BTW 418 is still legal to use, but is now allocated to something else, so I only supply new sets on that frequency to the Glantawe Hawking club, who have over a dozen receivers & 50 odd transmitters between them. Handy having half of S. Wales to help when your bird goes AWOL

Next one up is £250. Same range, same transmitter, resolution 6 feet ish. Upgradable.

Next one, the 2 stage, twice the range, 4 times the power (£325). Resolution still c. 6 feet.

Hope you find this info helpful.

Pete

[Sean]

cheers pete :D very helpfull

[Jazz1]

Hi pete

The set i had was 2nd hand the guy got it back but he is wondering if i what it cheap since he is not going to be using it.
could you send me a manual on how to work it and if i have a problem with it would you be able to fix it.
Was specking to a guy the day that use's your system and works great.
1 think tell me pete should there be a bit cable between the Antenna and the box or should the Antenna just screw right on to the box???? has the 1 i had did have a bit black tv Antenna cable but the set i saw the day did'nt?? and should there be a cover over the batteries as this 1 doesn't.
and the transmitter does have an indicator LED
Cheers Gary

[HawkWorks]

I have, over the years, made several types of set badged as Hawkfinder E-track, Microsystem & Skytrack. All were done in an attempt to build a budget priced set in the £100 - £200 quid range. Some did have a cable. Non of the Hawkfinder LR1s have a cable supplied by me, the antenna goes straight on the top of the box, as it does with all the sets built in the last 5 years. But from the problems you described, it sounds like you simply had no antenna connection.

The budget sets usually had an HE serial number.

None of my transmitters had a screw top until 3 weeks ago, you put tape around & over the battery frame, as in most open-frame transmitters.

It sounds as if you have a later transmitter with an earlier receiver.

Whatever you have, chances are it could be upgraded to full Hawkfinder LR1 spec.

You do need to practice with it before you can track a hawk - that's true of anyone's system.

If you can get me the serial number of each part, let me know of any colour code present. Usually red or blue, green on a few sets, early ones are on 418 and have no colour code. Whatever you have, even a 1.5 volt spar transmitter, it should have a max range of not less than 2 miles.

If you can send a photo of the system, so much the better.

Once I have identified what you have, then we can proceed with getting it working properly & providing you with those vital instructions.

Pete

[ScotsFalconer]

not a very good telemetry set i used it for a year on a range of birds and when i finally changed over to a ben long set i noticed the difference would never use it again

[Sean]

yea buts its 3 times as dear lol!

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Sean do the maths yourself buy this tat still loose your bird = your down the price of the bird and wasted the price of the telemetry. Buy something better use it twice, its paid for itself. It aint that difficult to add up.

[ScotsFalconer]

in all fairness if you cant afford it then its not the sport for you as we all know it can get costly. would u rather spend all that time and effort training a bird then put a **** telemetry set on it and as soon as it gets spooked or a strong gust takes it off course you loose it or put a decent (maybe a little more expensive) set on and have more of a chance in getting it back. you pay for what you get. if you buy cheap its likely to be cheap.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

in all fairness if you cant afford it then its not the sport for you as we all know it can get costly. would u rather spend all that time and effort training a bird then put a **** telemetry set on it and as soon as it gets spooked or a strong gust takes it off course you loose it or put a decent (maybe a little more expensive) set on and have more of a chance in getting it back. you pay for what you get. if you buy cheap its likely to be cheap.
Well said that man! At last the light at the end of the tunnel. Remember the addage "Pay peanuts, get monkeys"

[Sean]

well to be quite honest im forked out alot of money and with my current job i just cant afford telelmetry. what do you think is better, a bird with no telemtry or a bird with short range telemtry?

[Jazz1]

Hi pete
Have sent you an E-mail with pic's of this set.
Cheers Gary.

[HawkWorks]

The system is a 433 MHz. Skytrack with a single stage transmitter. Max range is 5-6 miles. Would have cost around £200 when new, give or take a bit, & looks to be 3-4 years old.

You should check the antenna connections, the coupler appears to be nothing I've supplied. I'll mail you privately on how. The resolution of that set is pretty good, although the box is cheap (a similar style to a Luksander box, I've since found out) its screening properties are good & it could be used at a pinch with a 2-stage transmitter, and pinpoint the bird quite well although a detached 2-stage transmitter would be more difficult The circuit inside is the same as used in the LR1, and is almost certain to be working properly, they are bomb-proof.

It's the kind of thing that we would have supplied for an owl, a common buzzard, or a HH or RT if somone couldn't afford the better set.

I would estimate the retail value at £100 (less the cost of any spares/repairs. The resolution is better than the Skytrack E433, the transmitter has the same range but inferior battery life.

It could, if you required, be upgraded to full LR1 spec.
The cost of that would be £150 including new receiever case (thats the metal box, not the padded system case),
new coupler, new attenuator, revised antenna bottom connection, new 2 stage screw-top transmitter, french clip, tail mount & 3 year warranty. Like having a new set.

That isn't necessarily your best option, just a possible one.

I'll e mail you privately with the rest.

Pete

[Stephen]

ive got one of the hawkfinders
and find it ok for pin pointing a bird but i think if you get a mile your doing well but as i said its only for pin pointing

[HawkWorks]

ive got one of the hawkfinders
and find it ok for pin pointing a bird but i think if you get a mile your doing well but as i said its only for pin pointing

That's how the set was originally conceived. To find hawks lost in cover. That's why I called it the Hawkfinder.
The very first ones just had a meter - no sounder. You carried the set in your pocket. The transmitter had a continuous output, you swung it round, the meter rose steadily and you walked in the indicated direction, picked up hawk. No tuning, no messing. What could be simpler? Of course it ate batteries, in about 18 hrs, but I never considered that an issue, not the way it was intended to be used. Range I rated at 3/4 mile max. I will still make that type of set if anyone wants one.

But falconers are obsessed by range & battery life & I produced a new set, with bleeper & pulsed transmitter.

Here's a picture of an early one:
http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/gallery/showimage.php?i=660&catid=newimages&cutoffdate=1

(notice the similarity to another model - even the same sounder!)

I soon found that people were buying and using them for longwings & measuring huge ranges as well & here's why:

The Hawkfinder with the transmitter placed on the ground will do a mile over flat, open ground. But climb 30ft and it will do 2-3 times as far. If you double the height you get 2-3 times that or 4-9 miles. The same situation applies to a hawk 60 ft up in a tree. As the biggest trees are 60-80ft tall this gives an average range of about five miles (given that you have no control over how far up a tree a hawk will land - obviously, if it kills it will be on the deck) but even then, getting 30ft up may be a matter of climbing a bridge or embankment, in order to pick up the signal. On a longwing in flight (simulated by taking the transmitter up in an aircraft) ranges in excess of 30 miles have been measured.

This effect applies to any system, but the height you have to climb to to get the same level of improvement is dependent on the frequency. To get the same improvement at 216 you have to climb 60ft, and at 173, 75 ft because those are the ratios of the wavelengths.

We will shortly be supplying VHF sets, and they do go six times as far as the Hawkfinder under adverse conditions. However, this has rather more to do with the transmitter being eight times as powerful and the receiver being twice as sensitive, than any shortcomings of the frequency.

Minimum range (under practical conditions) is around three miles, but the maxima are similar, because of the limitation of the curvature of the earth. Line of sight is > 2000 miles (a meaningless figure).

But, although the set is small enough to be carried in a holster on the belt, it still isn't quite pocket size, so I shan't have one. I don't need one. I fly a harris, with a Hawkfinder & I would be quite happy with a single stage transmitter.

Pete

[HawkWorks]

I'm working on a VHF system at the moment. Should be ready in time for Xmas. Anyone wanting a sneak preview look on http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/thefalconrysuppliers/xr1.htm


The system is now available. It is compact enough to carry on the belt, & costs £375. Performance is impressive. If you review the link, there are plenty of photos available.

Pete

[ScotsFalconer]

in conclusion: buy the best. hawkfinder is rubbish. if u cant afford you own telemetry you could alway slpit the cost with someone else and share it or ask for it from santa

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

I posted earlier on this system. It dosent stand up in field conditions. If your short of cash trawl for sale adds and buy a second hand system from someone whoes packing up. Dont be lulled into a false fealing of security. I honestly think that a good feel of field scense and a dose of common will get your bird back without clouding the equasion.

[HawkWorks]

not a very good telemetry set i used it for a year on a range of birds and when i finally changed over to a ben long set i noticed the difference would never use it again Perhaps not, but good enough for you to use and rely on for a year, until you found (and could afford, probably) a bigger, better and more expensive set (MUCH bigger & MUCH more expensive). I would hope you would notice a difference at that price. I assume you performed the necessary evaluation tests when you bought it, you never complained about it nor asked advice on its best use. It may be that a VHF set is more suited to your needs - fair enough - and I'm sorry we were unable to offer you a VHF set at the time.

But a VHF set will not suit the needs of everyone. Others will have different priorities. You should allow them their choice (you clearly seem intent on denying it to them). I have no intention of discontinuing either the Skytrack or Hawkfinder (though we do have a more powerful transmitter for it). We have a supplementary system. The performance characteristics are very different. Not better - just different.

Pete

[HawkWorks]

I posted earlier on this system. It dosent stand up in field conditions.

We heard you the first time. Care to elucidate? Tell people just how far it does go. Under various conditions?

I assume you are refering to the Hawkfinder (rather than the Skytrack). You clearly aren't refering to the Falconfinder, as we only just launched it.

Pete

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Ok open offer trial on the same bird with a more proven system your bottom end system. Also the top end system of yours, against medium range of other peoples. Monitor the results and close the gap. I havent got anything against cheaper systems just the reliabilty.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

I trialed a system this year that was giving a genuine traceable transmition from thirty miles away with genuine interferance being present, now thats a falcon finder!

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Please edit your web site towards not encouraging beginners to attempt to fly parent reared owls at quarry. The way it is written is so missleading its negligable.

[HawkWorks]

Ok open offer trial on the same bird with a more proven system your bottom end system. Also the top end system of yours, against medium range of other peoples. Monitor the results and close the gap. I havent got anything against cheaper systems just the reliabilty.

I trialed a system this year that was giving a genuine traceable transmition from thirty miles away with genuine interferance being present, now thats a falcon finder!

Not sure how the open trial would work, but I'll tell you what I'll do. If you still have your Hawkfinder LR1 (not a Skytrack, E-track, Microsystem or Hawkfinder with a meter, bought from us new, send us your old 2 stage transmitter. I will send you our new, more powerful transmitter, for you to evaluate (five times as powerful). It will not solve any of the problems associated with UHF
but it will provide good performance. Report your findings.

30 miles is impressive. I am interested to learn what the system was, how high was the bird, how high were you, what was the intervening terrain.

I am not keen to go above the legal power limit of 10mW. (Effectively 8 at VHF as a full quarter wave antenna isn't practicable for falconry - it isn't theoretically possible to exceed 8 with a 1/8 wave antenna)

Pete

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

I aint against what you trying to acheive and would happily applaude it if the trials were as good as other systems. When I was running a system of yours full time it wasnt anywhere near, as everything ive trialed since. Lets make things better by working together. pm me.

[plumber chris]

Buyers BEWARE!!!! Both these people are Liars, cheats & THIEVES. They take your money Promise you the earth then DO NOT deliver what you paid for. Their products are very Sub-Standard I had a glove it lasted 1week. I have a telemetry set..although it works ok its very poorly made & I'm still waitng for the tailmount I paid for with it that was over 2 months ago. I ordered a Hawklock set...I recieved only Half of it 7 weeks ago. They wont answer your calls once they have your money & only leave stupid messages on thier answer machine. They have had lots of complaints made about them as their answer machine messages (which vary every day) tells a few stories. So best to spend your money elsewhere....:evil::evil::evil::evil:

[DockHolmeMews]

Buyers BEWARE!!!! Both these people are Liars, cheats & THIEVES. They take your money Promise you the earth then DO NOT deliver what you paid for. Their products are very Sub-Standard I had a glove it lasted 1week. I have a telemetry set..although it works ok its very poorly made & I'm still waitng for the tailmount I paid for with it that was over 2 months ago. I ordered a Hawklock set...I recieved only Half of it 7 weeks ago. They wont answer your calls once they have your money & only leave stupid messages on thier answer machine. They have had lots of complaints made about them as their answer machine messages (which vary every day) tells a few stories. So best to spend your money elsewhere....:evil::evil::evil::evil:

I'LL SECOND THAT

[Widgit]

hi please read these
http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=74911&highlight=hawkfinder+sue&page=2

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=77633&highlight=hawkfinder+sue