Breeder & bird flue

[Talon]

how will the fret of bird flue efect next years breeders .not so much the small breeders but the large breeder.
who main customers are the middle eastern countrys.
will the import and exsport ban be lifted by then.
this could mean a lot of first class birds.
wich normaly go out the country being offerd for sale here .
may be at lower prices. not saying we dont get first class birds allready.
but the larger females.i.e gyrs ..pere?gyrs..and so on.
just like to hear your views.

[Talon]

theres quite a few who depend on the middle east market.
falcon mews..peter gill ..richard hill
nick fox as you have already said.and a hell of a lot more.
its going to be a interesting year.come breeding season.

[Talib]

how will the fret of bird flue efect next years breeders .not so much the small breeders but the large breeder.
who main customers are the middle eastern countrys.
will the import and exsport ban be lifted by then.
this could mean a lot of first class birds.
wich normaly go out the country being offerd for sale here .
may be at lower prices. not saying we dont get first class birds allready.
but the larger females.i.e gyrs ..pere?gyrs..and so on.
just like to hear your views.

There is no import or export ban on captive-bred birds... the EC ban only applies to wild birds. Poultry and all other captive-bred birds can be imported/exported to any country that is free of avian flu and whose regulations permit it.

Talib

[Talon]

sorry talib i was always lead to beleave there were a
ban on all imports and exsports on all birds.
so glad to here that any way m8.

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Thanks for all your support to breeders. Im sure all big breeders will have a "INTERESSTING" year as you put it, and Im sure you are pleased you can get cheap falcons that is normally expensive, Im sure you also like the breeders who make their living going bankrupped and all the falcons who can not be sold and that we cant afford to keep getting put to sleap, yeah, its a really interessting year infront of us......................

[Achilles]

I have heard that some breeders prefer to neck their birds, rather than sell them in the UK. I hope that this is just a nasty rumour but would be interested in other peoples opinions.

[Kentish Falconry]

There is no import or export ban on captive-bred birds... the EC ban only applies to wild birds. Poultry and all other captive-bred birds can be imported/exported to any country that is free of avian flu and whose regulations permit it.

Talib

Hi This is basically correct except that at the moment there are no Imports allowed into the UK from outside the EC this includes captive bred birds as well as wild. Trade within the EU is open as normal. I know it says wild in the communications put out by DEFRA but this is not the case. We have captive bred birds awaiting shipment in the Middle East and also South Africa at the moment we are being told there may be a possibility of getting our birds in if they are quarantined and blood tested before export and a copy of an official vet cert signed by the exporting countries approved vet labs that the birds are free from AI.
Exporters can carry on as normal so long as the importing country will accept the shipment.
The Middle East may shut the door on imports fairly soon ( Saudi have already closed the door) there is a meeting in the UAE in the next few days to review the situation. All birds even from clean countries are being health checked before being allowed into the UAE at the port of entry (a hold up of 48 hours). Any attempt to bring in birds from banned countries Asia in particular are being stopped at the Airport and either re-exported or culled imediatley. One such shipment of birds that were taken to Pakistan for 10 days hunting were culled on return without the option of re-export.
We will have to wait and see what comes next but it could be a big problem for breeders next year if the current trend continues.
I will be happy to expand upon this thread for those interested after I return from the UAE at the end of the month.
Also all birds that are currently held in quarantine here in the UK are being kept in quarantine untill further notice. I have a shipment that should have been release over 2 weeks ago from the USA still in the quarantine even though all the tests have come up clear, I have the VLA reports in front of me.
Terry

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

calm down

fair point i supose but by the same token its a 2 way street many big breeders export huge amounts of birds to the middle east and the uk falconer gets whats left over

this year i know 3 people that were let down by a breeder of peregrines because his arab contacts had bought them all and many of his breeding birds had been used for hybrids to meet demand from the middle east clients

there are quite a few breeders that pride them selvs on not selling to the uk market thats hardly fair play is it so if theres an export bann they will sudenly be more than happy to sell to us

as the old saying goes carful who you step on on the way up you never know when youll meet 6them on the way down


Andy...........
No No NO you are soooooo wrong, sorry mate but you are judging all over one, you might know someone who been let down. I know a lot of breeders who been let down by english (and foregin) coustomers, I dont judge all over one because of that. If I would be offered the same price for a female gyr/peregrine in england as in the UAE I would rather sell it in England. You do not get what is left over, I do not know anyone who sell pure peregrines to the UAE rather then to UK as the price is bad in the UAE, its more here in the UK. I also have offered good fit falcons, in VERY good condition for sale in the UK and had little ore no interesst.
One thing that a lot of UK falconers seems to fail to understand is the cost in breeding big hybrids as a full living. If you are not working for a sheijk (as Nick Fox) ore have a contract with a dealer (as Peter Gill) ore have a money making buisniss on the side (Ian Garland, Martyn Jones) then you have to make your living by breeding the birds (after invested in the parents, which has to be pure, preferly white gyrs and large peregrines if you want to make a living), then you need to make sure they are all feed on top food (preferly all year around on live food as the fertility in eggs raise), Quail 75 p each live, broilers 500 pound a 2 week to rear for heating and food. Then when you managed to inseminate your females (who all need to be good imprints and all need to be 3 yeo+) with the seemen from your white male gyr (if he survived to the age of donating seemen and turned out to be a donator), then you hope you get fertile eggs, and that you have a good incubatour (preferly a generator as well incase electricity goes off in night and eggs die within a few minutes). Hatch young ones, rear them, put them back to parents who will not kill them, not imprinted parents incase the young ones start to scream. Then at a few weeks old either pull them out and put them in a hack box (before fledged obviosly so you have to hope you do not get stress mark on the feathers) ore you need to build a large hacking aviary to get them fit. Then you need to find costumers, in UK, UAE, Kuwait Japan, wherever as long as they pay at least enough what it cost you to produce the bloody thing. You get a phone call from a UK cosumers who say:"250 quid!!!!!!???? I thought it stood cheap for quick deal in your advert".
And then you sit down and cry!! Do not have a go about breeders as all in one, because we are not, and we, ore at least many of us, devote our life to breed birds, because we love it, and its our choise, but do not give us a hard time!!

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

I have heard that some breeders prefer to neck their birds, rather than sell them in the UK. I hope that this is just a nasty rumour but would be interested in other peoples opinions.

With some breders I assume you mean Nick Fox, as far as I know he is the only one who done it. I have at this moment around 15 mixed falcons left from 2005, all fit and in good feather condition, adverts been out in cage and aviry birds and on diffrent internet sites. I sold about 7 here in the UK, no more people interessted. Sold on a average of 300 each, a lot less then they cost me to breed.
I do not think Nick "rather neck them then sell them in the UK" I know, you can not sell them here, not all of them as there is no market!!
Then you can argue if it is moraly right to kill a falcon because you can not sell it, thats diffrent, but you take my word for it, no UK breeder would rather kill the baby then sell it!!!!

[TheZuffler]

Interesting points of view here, very passionate post (atfhb). No personal attacks for a nice change. It will be very interesting/difficult to watch this situation over the next 6 months. I hope everything works out well for birds, breeders and buyers!

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Thanks for your support, I am NOT having a personal go at anyone. Just so you all know that. Its just very frustrating and sad to read "interessting year for the breeders" ore ""quality birds availible". People just dont seem to realise that some people are loosing their lifes work and passion in one go if this goes bad. I cant belive someone can find that interessting ore see a way to get cheap falcons out of someones losses. The bird flu have already made me feel a lump in my stomach everytime I work with my imprints, I just try to put the other side of the story trough.l

[Kentish Falconry]

AS The Falcon Her Bells
I agree with you 100% and I could add to what you have said but can't be bothered after all we are just big breeders.
As for not selling decent birds to UK or European customers I have for the last 3 years had a sales weekend here with about 100 birds for sale. If these poor Falconers wanted a top quality Falcon then why didn't they come and buy one when they had the chance and I wouldn't have had to go to all the trouble of applying for paperwork, making box's driving to the Airport in the middle of the night paying freight and then having to fly to the Middle East to sell my birds. No I would rather sell my birds here for a reasonable price and not have all the bother
Terry

[TheZuffler]

I was kind of agreeing with what you said, and liked the passion with which you said. As I said it will be interesting AND difficult over the coming months and will reiterate that it is good to see a passioned subject WITHOUT personal attack. I didn't write with sarcasm. :roll:

[Talon]

Thanks for all your support to breeders. Im sure all big breeders will have a "INTERESSTING" year as you put it, and Im sure you are pleased you can get cheap falcons that is normally expensive, Im sure you also like the breeders who make their living going bankrupped and all the falcons who can not be sold and that we cant afford to keep getting put to sleap, yeah, its a really interessting year infront of us......................


was not gloating over.thinking about getting cheep falcons.
just stating that what will happen to all there birds.
no one mentioned ppl going bankrupped or having to put birds down.
thats the last thing any one would want.i am allso a breeder of birds but not
on there scale.so calm down and take a chill pill.loosen your knickers and take a deep breath...there you go ..dont that feel better?
i was just interested what would happen.
the only solution would be sell them here.but as you know they wouldnt
get the same prices as thay would in the middle east.
and if they decied to put healthy birds down before loweing there prices .
there just init for the money .and should have no bisness breeding birds in the first place.no bad intentions was aimmed at anybody.

[Kentish Falconry]

but as for the "Mr exclusive's" out there all i can say is tough they made there bed and all that

my final point is wile we were toutching on ethics as a responsable breeder who cares about birds do the people breeding on a large scale ever think about what happens to the thousands and thousands of birds they export every year there doesnt seem to be a saturation pont ?


Andy..........

Andy
Not all of us breeders are Mr Exclusives, I would rather sell you a bird than go to all the trouble of exporting it and don't believe all you hear about the High prices acheived in the Gulf for our birds, the odd bird will make good money the rest, we have to take what we can get and the Arabs are hagglers by nature.
Regarding your final point as responsible breeders we supply birds to Arab Falconers who are among the best Falconers in the World, you should visit the Gulf and see just how well the Arabs care for their birds, they are treated like a son and nothing is to much trouble for their Falcons. Yes some birds die but not as many as people seem to think accidents happen just like they happen here in the UK and Europe birds get lost and a few get sick but they have some of the best vets in the world working in the Gulf with Hospital facilities like you would not beleive just for their Falcons.
Yes there are a few Breeders/Dealers who flood the market with birds but if you go there now these type of people will still have most of their birds still for sale. I wouldn't go so far as to say there are thousands and thousands of birds sent over there though.
Incidentaly I have never culled any bird in my life unless something was seriously wrong with it.
Terry

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

my final point is wile we were toutching on ethics as a responsable breeder who cares about birds do the people breeding on a large scale ever think about what happens to the thousands and thousands of birds they export every year there doesnt seem to be a saturation pont ?


Most people I know including me sells them over phone ore internet ONLY to costumers they know well, the rest I sell out there on spot, the ones I can not sell I give as a gift to my best costumers and friends (normally one ore two) and the rest I re export home, and I know a lot of breeders who at this moment have falcons that they could not sell stuck in the UAE trying to get a re export permit to bring them back again.
Have you ever visited the UAE, and have you got proper information on how the breders sell the falcons?
Not meant personal, please dont take me wrong but as you have quite strong oppinions on the subject I also assume you must have pretty good knowledge on it?

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

I was kind of agreeing with what you said, and liked the passion with which you said. As I said it will be interesting AND difficult over the coming months and will reiterate that it is good to see a passioned subject WITHOUT personal attack. I didn't write with sarcasm. :roll:

I know, thats why I thanked you for your support, I really meant it! I was just again underlining my point a bit, not to you, to the rest of the readers. It was meant as a nice post, not sarcatic sorry as my english is not that good, did not try to be sarcatic there. :)

[TheZuffler]

I know, thats why I thanked you for your support, I really meant it! I was just again underlining my point a bit, not to you, to the rest of the readers. It was meant as a nice post, not sarcatic sorry as my english is not that good, did not try to be sarcatic there. http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif


:D ;) :D

[Blaze]

I didnt even know that theres breeders out there that dealt in that many birds or exporting them in to different countrys........Why dont the arabs breed their own birds......Why do they buy them from britain???

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

the only solution would be sell them here.but as you know they wouldnt
get the same prices as thay would in the middle east.
and if they decied to put healthy birds down before loweing there prices .
there just init for the money .and should have no bisness breeding birds in the first place.no bad intentions was aimmed at anybody.[/quote]

Hi again, if you read my post again you can see the explination on how much it cost us to breed a falcon (not including land, buisniss rate for avirys etc.) If we can sell a female gyr/peregrine for 4000 pounds, we can afford to sell a male for 500, if we can get 5000 for a male grey gyr, we can afford to sell a male gyr/saker for 300 etc. etc.
If we did not get high prices for some of our birds, we could not breed any of them, unless we already have backup ore money. A cheap falcon cost as much to produce as a expensive one.
SO.... if the avian flu stops export, we will have lets see..... Nick Fox, approx 400 falcons, peter gill approx 400 falcons, Martyn Jones (no idea) maybe 100? Gary Wall, 80? Kentish 120? Langely mews 50? Ian Garland 100? Mark Robb 150? Bob Creese 100? And that is just on the top of my head quickly. How are we going to find UK costumers for all this falcons? Even if I sell them for 50 pound each? I will not sell them to people who is looking for a cheap, exotic cool pet, so I want only serious costumers, do you really think it is this many falconers in the UK?
What do you think breeders are? Some kind of animals who is making money out of the back of falcons? Why on earth would anyone rather kill a falcon then sell it IF THEY HAD A BUYER????
Have you ever had a 3 days old gyr/peregrine baby in your hand begging for food? Do you think anyone could look after something like that without caring for it??

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Most arabs used to take from the wild, untill (thanks god for the wild population) they discovered and fell in love with captive breed hybrids. I already written a long post on this in a earlier thread about hybrids so I am not going to repeat myself.
Then they started to buy hybrids from breeders. The main reason they do not breed their own falcons is because the weather condition in the UAE do not premote breeding. The hottest time of the year is the breeding season. Also they have little ore no knowledge on imprinting, rearing, keeping for breeding etc.
Dont forget only 44 years ago there was not even fresh clean water in the UAE, 40 years before that they where nomads living as travellers on the back of a camel.
now a few sheijks who can afford to pay for huge air conditioned facilitys try to breed some falcons themself and is quite sucsessfull with some spieces, mainly Saker hybrids, but not with pure gyrs. It take most breeders a good 20 years if not more to build up a proper breeding facility with seemen donators, volontry standing imprints, gyrs etc.
Time that the arabs have not had ....yet

[Blaze]

Thanks for the explanation.....I genuinly didnt know breeders are breeding 100's of falcons a year!.........Them arabs are minted though.....Iv been to dubai i dont know if thats anywhere near there?

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Yeah, quite a few places in Dubai, they are sooooo rich you can not belive it, they will give you gifts all day long and pay hotel take you for dinners etc. But when it comes to BUYING things, falcons, cars, anything. They are sooooo tight. Ask Moses, Im sure he can explain some good old arab bargin of prices for you, do your head in, they would sell their mother for a cheap price (no offence Moses)
If you are interessted, serch the forum on HYBRIDS and find my previous post about the arab market and hybrids etc.
;)

[Blaze]

Yeah, quite a few places in Dubai, they are sooooo rich you can not belive it, they will give you gifts all day long and pay hotel take you for dinners etc. But when it comes to BUYING things, falcons, cars, anything. They are sooooo tight. Ask Moses, Im sure he can explain some good old arab bargin of prices for you, do your head in, they would sell their mother for a cheap price (no offence Moses)
If you are interessted, serch the forum on HYBRIDS and find my previous post about the arab market and hybrids etc.
;)
Will Do!:-D .......

[Talon]

you have me all wrong.i was not asking any of that in my first post.but was saying as you just mentioned what will happen to all those birds.
but. you took it the wrong way and went off on one.
was not gloteting looking for a chance to get a cheep bird.
not interested in large falcons not because i dont like them.
i just couldnt do it justice.
the thing is when some one types something.its typed in a nice inquisitive way.
but read at the oposite end as a nasty jibe.well no that was not my intensions at all and can only say sorry if it came across that way.
i have friend who is very large breeder and would not wish any bad
luke on him or any other breeder for that matter.
i know the time and effort what goes into breeding and hand rearing birds i do
it my self.and i have raised chicks by hand from day 1.
and no one never ever said you didnt care for your birds.
i carnt see what i asked that. as made you so up set.
all i asked was what will happen to all those birds and yes.
i did say there will be alot of first class birds for sale cheep.
what is so bad about asking that.,,i did think this forum was for discusions and asking question . so once again sorry if it came out sounding nasty
it wasnt ment too.

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

I know I know, have a habit of getting carried away :D . I dont take it as you being nasty, just a discussion, but I genuinly do not think any breeder would put a falcon to sleep unless there was no other way out.
I am not having a go at you. just educating people on some backround information ;)
It is easy to think breeders make 100 000 of pounds on the arab market, and breed falcon for making a fortune but the reality is quite diffrent from the myth, sorry if I came a cross hash, not meant to!!

[Talon]

its ok ...a good discushion thow
i never typed so much .any way all friends again
its like having a barnny with the misses.
i suppose its seperate beds then..ha ha

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

lol lol:lol:

[Barbary Boy]

i totally agree with as a falcon her bells and kentish falconry i would rather give a bird to a good friend than sell it to some bargain hunting numpty, i am a very small breeder compaired to the people mentioned,producing small numbers but they cost a fortune to produce. i have allready taken orders for 5 barbaries from foreign customers but would rather sell in this country and save the hassle, by the way i just had a delivery this am from honeybrooke,£300 and ill be ordering more before xmas, and i am a hobby breeder so please people do your sums before moaning about prices. i dont think there will be a massive amount of cheap birds flooding the market, breeders wont allow this to happen as it sets a benchmark and would flood the market.

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

:supz: :supz: :supz: You are seriously becoming my idol :D

[RabbitHawker]

It will all depen if Bird Flu is in the country at the time of sale, and the importing country.
If flu is here there will be a total falconry ban, so there will be less point in buying a cheap bird you cannot fly at the time. It is also likely there will be movement restrictions, so the only time you could move a bird might be to go to the vets, and even this might need a license. It is unlikely there would be movement licenses issued for sales.

[Red-Devil]

well i dont no where all the storys start regarding nick fox and destroying bop that they can not sell i for one have got a female peregrine 05 bird that was given to me free of charge (sufered loss of eye in hack pen )and only this week had the chance of a female gyr/saker (with wing damage ) so where do these story come from ?

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Nick Fox himself, he has been doing it.
He puts them to sleep as soon as the result on the sex has come back, so they are only a few days old. Long story, cant be asked telling it, but its true, so there you go.

[Kentish Falconry]

Nick Fox himself, he has been doing it.
He puts them to sleep as soon as the result on the sex has come back, so they are only a few days old. Long story, cant be asked telling it, but its true, so there you go.

Yes ATFHB is correct said it in front of us all
Terry:supz:

[Red-Devil]

Yes ATFHB is correct said it in front of us all
Terry:supz:
iam gobsmacked wwwwhhyyyyyyyyyyyyy !!!!!!!!

[Hacker]

I would think you only have to look at doc`s to get your answer?

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

iam gobsmacked wwwwhhyyyyyyyyyyyyy !!!!!!!!

I explanied quickly in your PM , do not want to get in to a argument about this.
Thanks for your support indeed Terry, was scared to be ripped in to pieces there......................

[Kentish Falconry]

I explanied quickly in your PM , do not want to get in to a argument about this.
Thanks for your support indeed Terry, was scared to be ripped in to pieces there......................

No problem it was in Bristol first meeting of Federation
Terry:supz:

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

I know, I was there, but most people on here where not, so I tought I was going to get killed..................:cry:

[Kentish Falconry]

I know, I was there, but most people on here where not, so I tought I was going to get killed..................:cry:

Never mind Mark would rebuild you and get you working again
:heart:

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Very true, working at least Im good at!
:heart::heart:
Nite Nite my love x

[Hacker]

Terry,
I told you about wearing that posh tweed in front of impresionable young girls!

[Jeremiah Johnson]

I have to agree with kentish and As the falcon her bells .. and I will admit openly I find it difficult to understand why some Falconers seem so anti- breeders (without whom you would not have a Bird) I would like to know why....

I about two years ago (after a lot of deliberation)decided I would like to try my hand at breeding some BOP's.. I built four avairy's and started to look for stock, as I already had a female R/T I needed seven birds to find the right birds I drove over 2,300 miles . Finaly buying 4 harris a male R/T and two lanners..

The R/T's Bred and one pair of Harris bred Whoopee... I am over the moon and found it so intresting guled to cctv Brilliant ... Then I advertised :- ( .

The deal i offered was fixed price £60 deposit (refundable if I could not provide) after what seemed like days on the phone i collected 8 deposit's) During these phonecalls I felt at times naffed at peoples attitude!!! I soon learnt to discount on calls that started with "how much and where are you" arrogant you may think??? But I felt and still do that if someone's primary concern is a few shillings or the cost of travelling .......... well most of those never came to nothing.

Just after the R/T 's were all gone a breeder enquired about buying the entire clutch to imprint on ferrug's to possibly Hybred later on. He offered over the top money for the clutch at ten day old .. but as I had already taken the orders I turned him down ... Anyway I got talking to this guy and he says how many deposits have you taken???...well I told him one for each fertile egg he politly suggested I take a further eight deposit's and then refund ... some when the young were 6 week old. I found this a bit dishonest and dismissed the idea!! .... HA! bloody HA! over the next three weeks Five people canceled " found a better deal closer to home mate".. like a fool I returned the cheques, one guy got very very abusive down the phone apparently not hearing me say no probs I'll pop your cheque back in the post...

I had to re-advertise... Now i don't know maybe I was too honest saying I was a first time breeder and thus putting people off??.. Maybe this is the way things go for a lot of breeders??? I dont know.. this year though higher deposit's

Judge that for your self... thats my experiance from my first year breeding..


I aint mentioned the amount of Rat and Quail that the young consumed

This year i started preparing on boxing day every spare minute since spent improving avairys painting them etc.. replacing all the pea gravel building nest frames... a lot of work but throughly enjoyable by the fact ..wel what will happen this year what will breed...? And thats four avairys the big breeders must be ..well a bit busier than me.. Oh they may have staff to do that but then Tax bills, NI ,wages ,accounting, buisness rates ........... etc etc the list prob never ends...

So why do some Falconers appear to be Anti - Breeders

Thats my last two years I bred eight birds I would not like to say what they cost me to breed.. But I look forward to spring with anticipation ....



Best Regards Flame...
p.s excuse grammer me not good with it...

[Jack Merlin]

I am a farmer but my qualifications are in economics.

Seems to me the raptor breeding scenario is similar to what we regularly see in livestock farming, take pedigree sheep breeding for example.

Some breeder imports a breed of sheep new to the UK. He starts to promote the breed and other farmers realize he is getting high prices for breeding stock. So they invest in stock, paying these high prices, and in turn breed and sell to other prospective breeders. For a while, everyone gets high prices.

But at the end of the day, a lamb chop is a lamb chop and the end product is only worth what the housewife will pay for it. Quite suddenly that breed of sheep is no longer in fashion as someone has now imported a different breed which every farmer thinks will be the solution to solve his bad management. So it starts all over again.

Of course, along the roller coaster there are other factors. Chernoble. Foot-and-Mouth. BSE. New regulations. Just how many prospective breeders are there to sell high priced breeding stock to? And so on. Now we have bird flu.

The days of the big prices paid by breeders are coming to an end. Remember when HHs cost thousands? Back in the 70's I imported lanners for a cost (including air transport!) of £9 each. I sold them for £30 and thought I was making a fortune!

Enjoy the roller coaster while you can. Sooner or later, prices WILL crash. I say this without venom. I've worked my ass off lambing ewes and bringing in hay at 3am, then had the price go through the floor because of similar disasters. But that is the price of the good times. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!

[Hawkmaster]

MOVED FROM GENERAL FALCONRY

[AvianManagement]

Most arabs used to take from the wild, untill (thanks god for the wild population) they discovered and fell in love with captive breed hybrids. I already written a long post on this in a earlier thread about hybrids so I am not going to repeat myself.
Then they started to buy hybrids from breeders. The main reason they do not breed their own falcons is because the weather condition in the UAE do not premote breeding. The hottest time of the year is the breeding season. Also they have little ore no knowledge on imprinting, rearing, keeping for breeding etc.
Dont forget only 44 years ago there was not even fresh clean water in the UAE, 40 years before that they where nomads living as travellers on the back of a camel.
now a few sheijks who can afford to pay for huge air conditioned facilitys try to breed some falcons themself and is quite sucsessfull with some spieces, mainly Saker hybrids, but not with pure gyrs. It take most breeders a good 20 years if not more to build up a proper breeding facility with seemen donators, volontry standing imprints, gyrs etc.
Time that the arabs have not had ....yet



We bred about 60 pure Gyrs here this year in Dubai, and our facility is not owned by any Sheiks. Yes we have large breeding chambers which are all indoors and AC'd, but it is economical to do and and our facility does make a profit.

David Le Mesurier
Manager
Nad Al Shiba Avian Reproduction Research Centre
Dubai