EEO in Britain

[Tr1gger]

Should European Eagle Owls be allowed to live in Britain. What are your thoughts?

[Sean]

why not? goldies are? the show wasnt showed over hear :twisted: so please fill me in

[SycoPaff]

jus bin watchin it m8! some anker conservionists on there! course we should have them! i can understand their concernse! but i dont give a **** bout peoples cats! like the skandanavian sed! ''we have lots of cats''!

[SycoPaff]

hi steve

[Flying High]

yes every time. i take it you are watching the TV. they have just said that there is no recored of the EEO living in Britain so some was saying they should shoot them or take them out now to stop them breeding. What i say is that if someone from and other country was to come and live in this country and there had not been somebody of that race (i know thats hard but it is just example) living here for two hundred years could i shoot them, NO i would be put in jail. So why the hell should that happen to the birds

[SycoPaff]

FLYING HIGH! REVALUTIONARY LEADER!!! HAHAHA! HAIL STEVE! true m8! very true!

[Hells99]

What really peed me off was that guy from the Ornithological Group who poo-pooed the fact that records in books go back to 1843 and he's saying it's unreliable evidence! Just who the hell appointed him God? Arrogant twit.

Course they should be allowed here - that Yorks lot were eating mostly rabbits and staying away from the sheep and lambs - did those sheep look scared to you?

[Talon]

i thought britain took in any refuge.will this is one im glad to see here.

[SakerYZF]

Didn't show it in wales :(
Why do people need so many cats anyway, they kill thousands of birds each year cause more of an imbalance in the ecosystem than a few large owls:/
give up hunting foxes turn the hounds on cats!!!

[Moses]

im glad i done an early shift at work today

what a programme, what a hunter :D so cool if it dont find wabbits it will hunt even other birds of prey

man, its nuts, welcome back eeo :D

[Becky]

yes they should,why not!!:)

[SycoPaff]

i have a polish mate that says, in poland they perposely go out and kill stray(or not) cats 4their gos' 2eat! ex meat apparently!

[MTR46]

is your polish mate very shiney ?

[SycoPaff]

?????????????????

[Tr1gger]

They dont ban cars for killing cats so they shouldnt ban eeo. Nature will balance itself out. So wat if eeo kill buzzards, i love buzzards its just natures way of doin things. I dont think eeo would make much impact on the buzzard population and nature would find a way to get by any problems eeo caused.

The major fault in that program is that it told the millions of ppl that watched it that i Joe Public could go and kill all the eeo's in this country and the law couldnt do anything against it. That could cause problems for the eeo's that are out there

[SycoPaff]

They dont ban cars for killing cats so they shouldnt ban eeo. Nature will balance itself out. So wat if eeo kill buzzards, i love buzzards its just natures way of doin things. I dont think eeo would make much impact on the buzzard population and nature would find a way to get by any problems eeo caused.

The major fault in that program is that it told the millions of ppl that watched it that i Joe Public could go and kill all the eeo's in this country and the law couldnt do anything against it. That could cause problems for the eeo's that are out there
maybe thats why they said it! CONSPIRACY I TELL U!

[SycoPaff]

is your polish mate very shiney ?
Shiney?

[Pitbull]

i wish it would make an impact on the ferel cats, I do like my cats

[FlameHairedFalconer]

I think alot of the programme was scaremongering about what EEO's are capable of catching...if the rabbits suddenly ran out, yeah right!

I wasnt convinced by the arguments that EEO's were a native species 'once' though.

Nice to see the yorkshire pair hunting and rearing the young, would like to see them in the wild - its Great Horned Owls that we dont want breeding in the wild!!

FHF

[Talon]

The major fault in that program is that it told the millions of ppl that watched it that i Joe Public could go and kill all the eeo's in this country and the law couldnt do anything against it. That could cause problems for the eeo's that are out there[/QUOTE]

i thought that my self.some w*nker will take note off that and have a pop at them.

[SycoPaff]

i wish it would make an impact on the ferel cats, I do like my cats
dont get ME wrong! i love cats! but as it was mentioned, they are a prob that nature seems2be sorting out! nothing happens without reason!

[Talon]

Shiney?

polish ...polished...come on .let the penny drop

[BFC 007]

yeah let the EEO move into britain-everything else is lol

[SycoPaff]

polish ...polished...come on .let the penny drop
it jus struck me in the head and bloody hurt my ego! SLOW!!!!!!

[Barbary Boy]

you have got to see the long term picture guys. those eagle owls were holding a prime peregrine site, if they ever become common, peregrines and goshawks would have to watch out never mind the predation on neighbouring pairs of other raptors as is common were they are common.

[Tr1gger]

So nobody is against it atall. I didnt think thier would be, but it would be nice to hav a debate with sombody about it

[OutFlying]

Why didn't they say that the owls were released by owners that couldn't be arsed to own them anymore after getting into difficulties with them. It ain't a big mystery.

[Flying High]

So nobody is against it atall. I didnt think thier would be, but it would be nice to hav a debate with sombody about it
ok then how about this.
I don't think they should be allowed to live because they do not belong hear and they are going to upset the ECO balance. they are ECO system and change over there years and it will find it hard to cope with a bird of prey of this size.
How's that

[Barbary Boy]

Why didn't they say that the owls were released by owners that couldn't be arsed to own them anymore after getting into difficulties with them. It ain't a big mystery.
they did ! were you watching?

[Tr1gger]

ok then how about this.
I don't think they should be allowed to live because they do not belong hear and they are going to upset the ECO balance. they are ECO system and change over there years and it will find it hard to cope with a bird of prey of this size.
How's that

:lol: Then why did u vote for eeo been in britain?? :D

[Bones]

fair play to the owls let them stay as long as they dont take too many rabbit from my grounds lol
but as stated take as many cats as poss damm vermin they are lol
just my oppinion
PAUL


ps thought it was a good programe first one worth watching on tv for a long time

[Barbary Boy]

if they ever become common a few cats will be the last of our worries, like tethering our birds in the open?

[SycoPaff]

it was a good programme! nice 2see eeo in the wild! really do hope it works out for them!

how bout if they let them breed, but put licencing on letting the odd falconer take one baby from each nest4hunting! may control the numbers bit better! lol

[Flying High]

:lol: Then why did u vote for eeo been in britain?? :D

You ask for a debate so i tried, but at the end of they day i love them and anyone who wants to hurt them need to come through me first

[Barbary Boy]

we cant take peregrines and theres 10000s of them so forget that one m8.

[OutFlying]

And spars

[SycoPaff]

we cant take peregrines and theres 10000s of them so forget that one m8.
yeah, i know. wasn't even worth a shot!

[Barbary Boy]

fu**ing anything, the rspb will probably make them thier emblem and start a rumour that falconers are robbing them to sell to the arabs for £10.000 a shot?

[Bones]

and buzzards

[OutFlying]

and lost harris hawks :rolleyes:

[Barbary Boy]

oh! lost harris hawks are fare game, you can shoot them.

[SycoPaff]

oh! lost harris hawks are fare game, you can shoot them.
REALLY???

[OutFlying]

:supz:

[OutFlying]

It was a joke..................REALLY

[SycoPaff]

It was a joke..................REALLY
sarcasm dont come over so well when writen!

[Tr1gger]

NAH u dont say?

[SycoPaff]

NAH u dont say?
REALLY????

[Tr1gger]

This thread has grew well quick

[Barbary Boy]

NO REALLY i knew of one shot last year by the police.

[SycoPaff]

NO REALLY i knew of one shot last year by the police.
FREEZE!!! PUT THE KITTY ON THE FLOOR!!!! AND PUT YOUR WINGS BEHIND YOUR HEAD!!! BANG!

[Moses]

only sad thing about showing it on tv today was the muppets who would go and buy them for fun as martin jones said and also as u know what happened with snowy owls during the harry potter fantasy

[Barbary Boy]

only sad thing about showing it on tv today was the muppets who would go and buy them for fun as martin jones said and also as u know what happened with snowy owls during the harry potter fantasy
so im not the only one who thinks harry potter is a ****** then?

[MTR46]

why couldnt harry potter have a large venomous snake instead thatl teach em

[FlameHairedFalconer]

FREEZE!!! PUT THE KITTY ON THE FLOOR!!!! AND PUT YOUR WINGS BEHIND YOUR HEAD!!! BANG!

PMSL - Not sure the police give warnings before shooting you 6 times in the head these days...

Anyway back on the topic.....


FHF

[MTR46]

depends if you have a backpack

[Barbary Boy]

because large venomas snakes are not cuddly wuddely and cutie wooty. they allso cost a lot more?

[SycoPaff]

because large venomas snakes are not cuddly wuddely and cutie wooty. they allso cost a lot more?
i'd pay 2see harry bloody potter cuddle a wild snowy! how entertaining!

[MTR46]

ok then what about a long haired lesser spotted outer mongolian goose ferret there nice but tek sum finding

[Moses]

so im not the only one who thinks harry potter is a ****** then?


lol mate i luv harry potter im a big fan :D its the snow owl craze i didnt like

harry rocks :) im gonna go and watch the latest one soon

[OwlSurfer]

Just as a matter of interest how many people on the forum keep EEO's? As a owner of one myself ,i thought it was great to see them in the wild doing just what comes naturally to them,& long may it continue !!! :supz:

[Barbary Boy]

FOR SALE long haired lesser spotted mongolian goose ferrets. none left for this year but orders taken for next year. exchanges possable for large white russian goshawks, or or err gyrs.

[Moses]

Just as a matter of interest how many people on the forum keep EEO's? As a owner of one myself ,i thought it was great to see them in the wild doing just what comes naturally to them,& long may it continue !!! :supz:


mate ukjay has one and i mean a massive monster

[Barbary Boy]

mate ukjay has one and i mean a massive monster
what? a long haired lesser spotted mongolian goose ferret? or an eagle owl? please tell me its a long haired lesser spotted mongolian goose ferret and not an eagle owl? those eagle owls are breeding like rabbits around here now, but ive never seen a wild long haired lesser spotted mongolian goose ferret living wild around here.

[FlameHairedFalconer]

err gyrs.

Is an err gyr a dirty grey phase gyr?



FHF

[Barbary Boy]

Is an err gyr a dirty grey phase gyr?



FHF
an err gyr is when someone comes to buy a bird off you and asks!"is it a gyr" you say ! err yes honest its got no saker in it at all ! honest! err its pure gyr!

[Osiris]

Should European Eagle Owls be allowed to live in Britain. What are your thoughts?

You bet me to this Poll Tr1gger!! :D

And yes, they should be allowed to breed in Britain. Its thought that they once before did, but were hunted to extinction in this country... This time it will be different! Can the government give us an explanation if they arent allowed!!!

I for one would love to see them in this country breeding once again!! :D

[Addi]

if the eeo eat seed they would be welcomed into the contry with open arms and i bet they would find there way on to that ******s little list very quickly! .. just because they are predators he tels the whole contry they can legitimatly go steal or smash the eggs or shoot the adults .. what a complete muppet !

[ChakChek]

i really cant see why there or how this can be are argument?! i mean, people spend millions tryign to reintroduce species inot environments which they once lived, for example the great bustards on salisbury plain. i visited the release pens on a college trip and talked to the guy whos running it asnd its a joke. A complet waste of money YET as soon as a species reenstates itself theres an uproar because it MAY kill a few cats.

thisd of course is the populations own fault for spreading out so much and building up on its previous haunts. the problem here is that the majoprity of people forget that the owls and most certainly the habiat was here before we started building

but yay for them coming back :D

[GM090158]

Course they should be allowed, if they were here in the first place it is reintroduction, if they were not then they should claim assylum from the uk conservationists persecution!!!!



GM

[DeathFromAbove]

i think they should be left alone to do what they do best in the wild.... whether or not they've been here before, they're here now and thriving..... so what if they haven't lived wild here before, the world is an ever changing place, nowhere stays the same forever..... i mean rabbit were introduced by the romans...as were so many other species.

I for one welcome this new addition to the british countryside. :D

[Osiris]

It seems theres no argument about the EEOs being in the UK on the forum, which is brilliant. But i bet there will be with the government! Just have to wait and see, but i see no problem with it... It will be great to see EEOs in the UK in their wild habitat once and for all :D :supz:

[Mr John]

i thought britain took in any refuge.will this is one im glad to see here.


Here Here !

[Debbie]

I myself welcome them back to the UK.

They have been proved to have resided here before so it is natural that they should reside here again.

With regard to the cat issue and the weathering birds issue and wild BOP issue.

At the end of the day EEO will probably go after bunnies as they will be alot easier than wild BOP. Chatting to a few people who have EEO in their country thats what they tend to do there so what will probably happen here.

With the Cat issue if you let your cat out then it would be more at risk from being run over or being shot by some idiot neighbour with a love of guns but cant shoot accurately enough to atleast kill the cat out right.

As for weathering birds - NOT an issue as who leaves their birds unattended on the weathering lawn with out being a few feet from them?

At the end of the day this is one pair who have survived and lived in Yorkshire for 8 years already so they are hardly prolific breeders which are going to take over the UK.

Debbs

[Osiris]

:supz: Well said debbie :D

Not seen you on the forum for a while :D Nice to see you again...

Jamie

[Claire]

i thought EEO's liked to eat hedgehogs????????

[Barbary Boy]

I myself welcome them back to the UK.

They have been proved to have resided here before so it is natural that they should reside here again.

With regard to the cat issue and the weathering birds issue and wild BOP issue.

At the end of the day EEO will probably go after bunnies as they will be alot easier than wild BOP. Chatting to a few people who have EEO in their country thats what they tend to do there so what will probably happen here.

With the Cat issue if you let your cat out then it would be more at risk from being run over or being shot by some idiot neighbour with a love of guns but cant shoot accurately enough to atleast kill the cat out right.

As for weathering birds - NOT an issue as who leaves their birds unattended on the weathering lawn with out being a few feet from them?

At the end of the day this is one pair who have survived and lived in Yorkshire for 8 years already so they are hardly prolific breeders which are going to take over the UK.

Debbs
yeah they featured one pair, but i asure you there are at least several more pairs out there for definate! and i for one leave my birds tethered on the lawn unattended at times but i dont think that makes me a bad falconer!

[Pitbull]

i hate going back to the cat issue but i think the domesticated moggy along with pesticides does more damage to our eco system than probably any wild animal.

[Barbary Boy]

i hate going back to the cat issue but i think the domesticated moggy along with pesticides does more damage to our eco system than probably any wild animal.
nick fox in his excellent book has a smashing pie chart showing how man and his animals kill our various types of wildlife eg snares,dogs guns hawks etc etc and no supprise here the domestic cat is responsable for 79% of all wildlife killed in the uk???

[Tr1gger]

nick fox in his excellent book has a smashing pie chart showing how man and his animals kill our various types of wildlife eg snares,dogs guns hawks etc etc and no supprise here the domestic cat is responsable for 79% of all wildlife killed in the uk???

:supz: Exactly so let the wildlife get its own back.

[Renton]

i hate going back to the cat issue but i think the domesticated moggy along with pesticides does more damage to our eco system than probably any wild animal.

Nick Fox's book "Understanding the Bird of Prey" (Page 339) estimates that cats kill 79.4% of the wild birds and mammals in the UK that are killed by man and domestic animals. Around 210,000,00 assorted birds and small mammals killed by cats annually in the UK.

[Jack Merlin]

i thought EEO's liked to eat hedgehogs????????

No, they specialise in killing hawks on their kills. Well, many of the larger species of owls do, given the opportunity.

Perhaps, before welcoming the EEO, you ought to check with some American falconry newsgroups and learn how many falconers' birds are killed by Great Horned owls and eagles as they feed on a kill.

[Tr1gger]

Wont ppl from Europe know as well? A EEO is a bit diffrent to a Great horned.

[Tim Laycock]

The major fault in that program is that it told the millions of ppl that watched it that i Joe Public could go and kill all the eeo's in this country and the law couldnt do anything against it. That could cause problems for the eeo's that are out there

If I saw a wild eagle owl in this country I would do my best to make sure that I found it again and shot it!

[ChakChek]

If I saw a wild eagle owl in this country I would do my best to make sure that I found it again and shot it!

why?

[Tim Laycock]

Because they should not be here and they also predate the Goshawk.

[ChakChek]

why sholdnt they be here? they were once here and then persequeted by humans? if anything we shouldnt be here?

also what does it matter if they hunt goshawks? sure we all like them but its all part and parcel of nature...things kill other things. they will kill buzzards like we saw last night, doesnt mean they will kill every single last one does it. with there being millions of rabbits running about the chances of them killing a gos when they could kill a bunny is VERY low

[Tim Laycock]

why do you feel we need super predators in the food chain :roll:

[ChakChek]

because they are meant to be! plane and simple im afraid

just because it has the POTENTIAL to kill the larger raptors, doesnt mean it will does it when it can take bunnies twice as easy.

the food chain will balance itself out, it always does.

i cant really get my head around why there is even a negative side to them breeding here again?! i mean like, most of the people who are worried are farmers (who lets face it cause **** loads of damage to the coutnryside. i had to do a peice of assesd work on it at college), ******* cat owners, and the odd person who is worried about specific species.

i get what you mean though about the gos' but the numebr of them taken would be very low

[Tr1gger]

why do you feel we need super predators in the food chain :roll:

EEO's will not exactly put a huge dent in the gos population. I would class a gos as been a bloody gd predator, as close as u could get if not a super predators. I dont really no how to put it in words wat i feel about that.

[Tim Laycock]

They are not indigenous to this country.
This is the bottom line. How many eagle owls do you find in the british book of birds?

[Tr1gger]

They are not indigenous to this country.
This is the bottom line. How many eagle owls do you find in the british book of birds?

There is a debate about this. Its hasnt been proven if they were here or not. And even if these lot were shot that aint goin 2 stop the problem. People are still goin 2 fly and loose thier EEO's, harris', redtails etc etc. SO wat would be the point. Go with the flow and lets see where it takes us.

[OwlSurfer]

:confused: If I saw a wild eagle owl in this country I would do my best to make sure that I found it again and shot it!
Very,very sad to see that this is the way you feel m8 !! But life goes on :supz: & so will the EEO's !!!!!

[Tim Laycock]

Better reduce the severity or try to avoid a potential problem than do nothing about it.

[Talon]

alot of the over countrys seem to be ok with the return of eeos
they have buzzards to and gosse.and a lot less rabbits if not any than us.
and still have a healthy population of buzzards & gosses.
i dont think its going to come to the day when theres flocks of eeols flying around killing every thing on site.
as far as im awere little owls were introduced to britain.
are was not native. and before any one starts saying yes but there alot smaller.i know.but wasnt the argument.wether they should be protected.if thay didnt come here of there own acords.or introduced.

http://www.rspb.org.uk/birds/guide/l...eowl/index.asp

[Tim Laycock]

:confused:
Very,very sad to see that this is the way you feel m8 !! But life goes on :supz: & so will the EEO's !!!!!

I have nothing againt eagle owls and people keeping them anymore than I have something against harris hawks but the bottom line as I have said is that they should not be allowed to turn feral in this country.

The fact that they do may be unavoidable but steps should be taken when this happens

[Barbary Boy]

NOTHING WILL BE DONE ABOUT IT, it is illegal to interfere with them never mind kill them and they are now here to stay, just as numerous other "exotics" are. get used to it people?

[Blaze]

Kill them..........Thats pathetic!

[Barbary Boy]

people have misunderstood and that guy last night was wrong, you cannot go out and kill an eagle owl just because you want to.ask your local wildlife liason officer.

[Talon]

a large chunk of british wild life doesnt originate here.
for a start falconry would be quite f*cked if it wasnt for rabbits pheasants.
allso not as much squirrels.wich have all been itnroduced.
not to mentionother wild life thats been brought in.
one way or another
mujak deer
fellow deer
roe i think
little owls
rabbit
pheasant
grey squirrels
mink
ring neck parakeets
american signal cray fish
wallabys in derbishire
zander
terrapins
brown rat.

i know some of them have caused problems.but you have to take the good with the bad

[Blaze]

a large chunk of british wild life doesnt originate here.
for a start falconry would be quite f*cked if it wasnt for rabbits pheasants.
allso not as much squirrels.wich have all been itnroduced.
not to mentionother wild life thats been brought in.
one way or another
mujak deer
fellow deer
roe i think
little owls
rabbit
pheasant
grey squirrels
mink
ring neck parakeets
american signal cray fish
wallabys in derbishire
zander
terrapins
brown rat.

i know some of them have caused problems.but you have to take the good with the bad
You missed off Women!........lol..sorry:oops:

[Debbie]

yeah they featured one pair, but i asure you there are at least several more pairs out there for definate! and i for one leave my birds tethered on the lawn unattended at times but i dont think that makes me a bad falconer!

I agree BB there probably are a few more pairs but at the end of the day in 8 years they are not as common as sea gulls so why all the fuss lol.

As for you leaving your birds unattended on the lawn each to their own, I never said you were a bad falconer hunny just that in my opinion it is not something I would do or a risk I would be prepared to take and nevr have with any of my birds although not BOP.

And if people did not weather birds un supervised then it is not a problem. It's all about lessening the risks like when you do a health and safety assesment.

When I put my parrakeet out in the summer in his cage he is always in view but hey I am more paranoid than most as many of you know lol

Debbs xx

[Debbie]

I can understand Blackbirds point of view even if I disagree.
Rabbits, pheasants and grey squirrels these 3 are the main quarry staples for many falconers all were introduced and all 3 cause horrific problems and are in such numbers that no amount of mass culling will ever make the problems they cause go away.

EEO's will never be a problem anywhere near this scale. And most EEO's will never be fussed to go after a GOS - lifes too short when little cotton tails are so much more abundent and put up little resistance.

Debbs xx

[Debbie]

:supz: Well said debbie :D

Not seen you on the forum for a while :D Nice to see you again...

Jamie

Hi Jamie,

Life keeps getting in the way barely have enough time to breathe let alone anything else.

Plus its taken me ages to get to grips with the new forum layout lol

Debbs xx

[Talon]

[QUOTE=Debbie
Rabbits, pheasants and grey squirrels these 3 are the main quarry staples for many falconers all were introduced and all 3 cause horrific problems .

Debbs xx[/QUOTE]

wouldnt go as far as to say horrific problems........problems yes.
but carnt think of any the pheasants have caused.excepet being splatterd on roads and sticking to car tyrs.ha ha
but all in all i agree with you eeos wont be a problem.

[Ben C]

We seem to be missing the point; EEO are present in this country because of bad management on falconers behalf. Forget about other non-indiginous species they do not set a legal president. When the RSPB, PETA and other bodies are researching evidence to ban the sport, they will look to the care we have taken to monitor and PREVENT damage to the environment. Any non-indiginous species of raptor should be culled as a matter of course, in order to show we are taking steps to prevent ANY upset to the UK flora and Fauna. Forget anything other than cleaning our own house.

I am surprised at the amount of people wishing the EEO good luck, considering the type of anti's, animal welfare groups and other political groups that read, store and download the conversations on this site.

I agree with BB, and I would do the same to my beloved HH as well. Becuase it is ILLEGAL to have a non-indiginous, released animal running wild in the UK. Just like ferrets.

[Tim Laycock]

Well done Ben, Put far more eloquently than I could manage at the time

[Moses]

welcome back debs nice to see u around :D

[RedNoseK9]

yes we should have them breeding here and any other wildlife species that can fit the ecosystem years ago scotland had bears and big cats in the way of lynx and there are talks of these great creatures being reintroduced why not help conserve the most beautiful aspect of our world nature let our kids experience things we never.

[Debbie]

wouldnt go as far as to say horrific problems........problems yes.
but carnt think of any the pheasants have caused.excepet being splatterd on roads and sticking to car tyrs.ha ha
but all in all i agree with you eeos wont be a problem.

Certain crops they just love to eat the field dry.

When I was thinking of horrific I had squirrels in my mind at the time with bunnies next and pheasants not really that bad lol

Debbs xx

[Tr1gger]

We seem to be missing the point; EEO are present in this country because of bad management on falconers behalf. Forget about other non-indiginous species they do not set a legal president. When the RSPB, PETA and other bodies are researching evidence to ban the sport, they will look to the care we have taken to monitor and PREVENT damage to the environment. Any non-indiginous species of raptor should be culled as a matter of course, in order to show we are taking steps to prevent ANY upset to the UK flora and Fauna. Forget anything other than cleaning our own house.

I am surprised at the amount of people wishing the EEO good luck, considering the type of anti's, animal welfare groups and other political groups that read, store and download the conversations on this site.

I agree with BB, and I would do the same to my beloved HH as well. Becuase it is ILLEGAL to have a non-indiginous, released animal running wild in the UK. Just like ferrets.

i can see ur point but we dont know what EEO's are goin 2 do to this country and if they belong here or not i say we let these ones live and track the ones that breed if they cause to much damage then we can kill them if we kill them now we loose track of where EEO's are breeding and where thier chicks can go

[Osiris]

to much damage then we can kill them if we kill them now we loose track of where EEO's are breeding and where thier chicks can go

Never expected you to say that Tr1gger. Whats the point of killing them. Capture then relocate would be a more humane way of doing things.

[Kumben]

Having once seen my mother in law being "Bombed" by my tawny when he was angry, and getting scratches on her head, I would not like to be an unsuspecting member of the public walking past a pair with chicks! Admittedly, the birds would give a warning first, however.
I think EEOs are the nicest of the owls to own and to rear, but a wild one - another prospect.They do breed prolifically, and will definitely take cats, chickens etc if rabbits are not available. And my female chick about 5-6 weeks old was on 15 DOCs a day........
Did anyone else see what looked like anklets/ring on the female in the film?

[Tr1gger]

Thats more people said no. Come on peeps give us ur reasons. Im not saying ur wrong but i think its very intresting to hear ur views

[Barbary Boy]

Having once seen my mother in law being "Bombed" by my tawny when he was angry, and getting scratches on her head, I would not like to be an unsuspecting member of the public walking past a pair with chicks! Admittedly, the birds would give a warning first, however.
I think EEOs are the nicest of the owls to own and to rear, but a wild one - another prospect.They do breed prolifically, and will definitely take cats, chickens etc if rabbits are not available. And my female chick about 5-6 weeks old was on 15 DOCs a day........
Did anyone else see what looked like anklets/ring on the female in the film?
i must admit i didnt notice any equipment on any of the birds but thought that quite a bit of the footage had to be of trained birds, i have done a bit of film work and its amazing what the experts can do to make things appear natural! most of the amazing wildlife films contain at least some footage of trained animals/birds.

[Tr1gger]

i must admit i didnt notice any equipment on any of the birds but thought that quite a bit of the footage had to be of trained birds, i have done a bit of film work and its amazing what the experts can do to make things appear natural! most of the amazing wildlife films contain at least some footage of trained animals/birds.

I thought the same some of the scenes didnt look like the bird(s) were from the wild. I think for such films they need some certain footage and so film trained birds doing these things as they either couldnt/ couldnt be bothered to get the footage they were looking for.

[Barbary Boy]

you would be amazed at what gos on in wildlife films, we once spent 10 days in a studio in the middle of london, they put this blue paper and cloth everywere then shoot the birds flying across it, when you see the finished footage youve got (apparently)a wild goldie flying over the highlands and everyone gasps in amazement at how they got the shots! another time we spent 11 days 10 000 ft up the matterhorn in italy flying the same eagle! she had a mini camera on her back. awsome, dont beleive everything you see on t v ?

[MattSpar]

you would be amazed at what gos on in wildlife films, we once spent 10 days in a studio in the middle of london, they put this blue paper and cloth everywere then shoot the birds flying across it, when you see the finished footage youve got (apparently)a wild goldie flying over the highlands and everyone gasps in amazement at how they got the shots! another time we spent 11 days 10 000 ft up the matterhorn in italy flying the same eagle! she had a mini camera on her back. awsome, dont beleive everything you see on t v ?

This is nothing but the literal truth. Some years ago, I contributed to the programme "Wildlife on One". The scenes concerned a hare being run by a lurcher. It was quite convincing, but the dog and hare never actually came within forty miles of one another (when I told this to a friend, he smiled wryly and said, "Yes, I once had a dog just like that").

[Blaze]

This is nothing but the literal truth. Some years ago, I contributed to the programme "Wildlife on One". The scenes concerned a hare being run by a lurcher. It was quite convincing, but the dog and hare never actually came within forty miles of one another (when I told this to a friend, he smiled wryly and said, "Yes, I once had a dog just like that").
He's not the only one!........lol

[MattSpar]

There is, I see, a poll concerning the desirability of the presence of eagle owls in Britain. Given that all on this forum are raptorphiles, I would have thought the result was, to say the least, somewhat predictable.

[Ben C]

Depends if your intelligent enough........I thought the rejection of a registered and reported non-indiginous species would have been accepted hands down.........just goes to show......fluff on a stick gets even the hardest of hearts pumping.......:heart.

Out of interest how many EEO owners ACTUALLY hunt and feast from the kill their charges make??????

[Lady-Luck]

i watched this with great interest, being a eeo owl keeper and breeder it was great to see them do this in the wild, and would like to see more of it in this country-altho i can see from most points of view.

i would like to ask if anyone who watched heard where the 22 young bred in the last 10 years are????indeed does anyone have any ideas? as mentoned one did die on electric pylons:( fate which meets many of our wild birds. i think finding out what has happened/where the young are could be interesting,

id also like to find a book of british birds dated from 1800s, no offence:) that also could be interesting.

no offence taken by this post i hope:) just something, i was thinking about.

hi kumben how are you, been a while :)

[Barbary Boy]

FOR SALE 21 european eagle owls various ages unrung! meet you on the motorway, fred, yorkshire.

[Tanith]

Sorry BenC, but if someone has a different point of view It does not mean to say.they are less intelligent.

I just feel there is a slightly patronising tone evident in a lot of the threads right now and It is bugging me.

[Ben C]

Oops sorry DomGod: I am not saying anyone is less intelligent...far from it. If thats the way it comes across then I apologise to all concerned.:goodman: :heart:


I am not sure if you can tell from my words the tone I taking???? It doesn't come across well on the computer. :rolleyes: :supz:

[Renton]

id also like to find a book of british birds dated from 1800s, no offence:) that also could be interesting.



Try these two:

Macgillivray, William. A History of British Birds. London: Scott, Webster and Geary, 1837.

Bewick, History of British Birds: Land Birds, 1797.

[Lady-Luck]

thank you kindly renton, i certainly will:)

[Maxwell]

[QUOTE=Lady-Luck]i would like to ask if anyone who watched heard where the 22 young bred in the last 10 years are????indeed does anyone have any ideas? as mentoned one did die on electric pylons:( fate which meets many of our wild birds. i think finding out what has happened/where the young are could be interesting, QUOTE]

In response to above...

The one which got caught on the wires was in Shropshire - I don't think any others have been reported found yet (dead or alive).

[Tr1gger]

No there wasnt but it give you an idea of how far they can travel. I think they just tend to wonder, not sticking in one area over another.

[Moses]

is it true their harder to train than harris hawks

and something about their vision when training them that u need to bring their food right up to their eyes for them to see it


pls any info will do, i just cant get over those massive talons :D bloody hell, imagine one grabbing u

[MattSpar]

Sorry BenC, but if someone has a different point of view It does not mean to say.they are less intelligent.

I just feel there is a slightly patronising tone evident in a lot of the threads right now and It is bugging me.

Sadly however, he may be correct in my case!

[Renton]

Mine has no problems spotting food at close range or at 100 yards!

He was no harder to train than a Harris, except he required a great deal more patience and repetition before he understood what he was supposed to be doing and not standing on a branch and gawping at everything.

Not the brightest of birds!

[BHawk]

if they appear to not notice the food then just wave it a little bit, they tend to need some movement to attract their attention. ive been footed by one of these birds before and their power left me in awe, yet as with any other bop footing you its a pain unto its own, its more the pressure you notice than anything! i have the utmost respect for these birds and they were here before us so who are we to decide if they can come back, if a dodo was discovered no-one would complain of them breeding. so why when the owls come back after such a long time do we alienate them?:confused:

[Moses]

thanks guys , after watching the programme im a big fan of these monsters, what a bird i have to say

[BHawk]

hey moses im pretty new here wot bird you fly? ben

[Moses]

hey moses im pretty new here wot bird you fly? ben


none yet bud , but i fly an imaginery female goshawk who weighs at 3.2 and ethnic cleanses all rabbits, birds etc :D is that good enuff

[BHawk]

at the moment im flying a harris, she weighs 2.3 1/2, i work her over ferrets which are actually house pets with a litter tray etc, but my dog is useless hes just an old mogrel ive attempted to train as a pointer. take it your gos is pretty big:D

[Moses]

at the moment im flying a harris, she weighs 2.3 1/2, i work her over ferrets which are actually house pets with a litter tray etc, but my dog is useless hes just an old mogrel ive attempted to train as a pointer. take it your gos is pretty big:D


nice one mate whats her main quarry mate


lol yes bud im always dreaming :D her name is shakira by the way and she is finnish x german haha

mate im going for a harris female myself, i had a falcon for a week im a novice and went out and got a falcon, the lad was good enuff he took it back , brianm bought the falcon afterwards

i was a fool to jump in and buy one when i knew nothing about them

hopefully when i get back from my hols and after the moulting season when the new ones r born i will buy one, if i come across a young one before hand may as well buy one then

the gos and peregrine r my fave birds since i was a wee boy mate , i just luv goshawks big time, their demons haha

[SycoPaff]

nice one mate whats her main quarry mate


lol yes bud im always dreaming :D her name is shakira by the way and she is finnish x german haha

mate im going for a harris female myself, i had a falcon for a week im a novice and went out and got a falcon, the lad was good enuff he took it back , brianm bought the falcon afterwards

i was a fool to jump in and buy one when i knew nothing about them

hopefully when i get back from my hols and after the moulting season when the new ones r born i will buy one, if i come across a young one before hand may as well buy one then

the gos and peregrine r my fave birds since i was a wee boy mate , i just luv goshawks big time, their demons haha
get a male red tail mate! they'll teach ya more bout trainin than any harris! and they do have an aggressive stage but its only intimadation, lots of patients and they are fantastic little ******s! jus a suggestion!

[BHawk]

i was lucky and worked for tom graham since i was 13 so im experienced in flying hawks, falcons, owls etc i also got experience in the breeding side of it and a lot of public demonstrations, my fave birds are pereXsakers cos i flew one that was unbelievably fast and turkmenian eagle owls because theyre absolutely comical, no good for the hunting side of it though:supz:

[SycoPaff]

i was lucky and worked for tom graham since i was 13 so im experienced in flying hawks, falcons, owls etc i also got experience in the breeding side of it and a lot of public demonstrations, my fave birds are pereXsakers cos i flew one that was unbelievably fast and turkmenian eagle owls because theyre absolutely comical, no good for the hunting side of it though:supz:
i fly2pere/sakers. male and female! they are nice (very nice), but i'd have a purebrid anyday over a hybrid!

[BHawk]

get a male red tail mate! they'll teach ya more bout trainin than any harris! and they do have an aggressive stage but its only intimadation, lots of patients and they are fantastic little ******s! jus a suggestion!

flew one last winter, good fun, was a good bird, absolutely bomb proof, she was so calm, wasnt bothered by cars, dogs etc. he died after flying into a fence after a rabbit, by the time i got to him he was limp.

[Moses]

get a male red tail mate! they'll teach ya more bout trainin than any harris! and they do have an aggressive stage but its only intimadation, lots of patients and they are fantastic little ******s! jus a suggestion!



lol i luv redtails mate but they sound very hard and mental to tame unless your experienced, thats why i wanted to start aff with a harris mate, maybe after 2 yrs i will give it a try


bhawk u r truly lucky mate u done it all, wish i did too, im aff next week to pakistan im gonna try to hunt some falconers :D for experience and to check out their birds, i hope i find em

[SycoPaff]

lol i luv redtails mate but they sound very hard and mental to tame unless your experienced, thats why i wanted to start aff with a harris mate, maybe after 2 yrs i will give it a try


bhawk u r truly lucky mate u done it all, wish i did too, im aff next week to pakistan im gonna try to hunt some falconers :D for experience and to check out their birds, i hope i find em
its the complete oposite! no bird is difficult! its jus that some need more time! so what if u have2give them 2months manning! i'd do that with a harris, jus 2make sure he loved the pants off me (not litteraly)lol! ask flyin high! he'll explain it better! but trust me mate, dont fall into the trap of startin with a harris! i mean, what did people do 40yrs ago be4 harris'? falconery! thats what they did! they learnt from birds that taught them Time, Pateints and Posisstence! none of this 3 weeks of manning, starve the f**kers then chuck them on a rabbit lure! talk2FH! he'll explain with less anger! haha! bet i get stick for this!lol

[Moses]

its the complete oposite! no bird is difficult! its jus that some need more time! so what if u have2give them 2months manning! i'd do that with a harris, jus 2make sure he loved the pants off me (not litteraly)lol! ask flyin high! he'll explain it better! but trust me mate, dont fall into the trap of startin with a harris! i mean, what did people do 40yrs ago be4 harris'? falconery! thats what they did! they learnt from birds that taught them Time, Pateints and Posisstence! none of this 3 weeks of manning, starve the f**kers then chuck them on a rabbit lure! talk2FH! he'll explain with less anger! haha! bet i get stick for this!lol

lol i swear i kinda like your way mate :D, sounds awesome, u know in the middle east i think thats where the trend started of manning them and flying them quick, they used to trap them wild and train them very quick and start hunting

mate after going out with stephen and checking out how jenna follows him about, i really wanna keep a harris, their obediant, good hunters and easy for my like, but one day maybe try a red tail , r they not supposed to be lazy hunters,catching less than a harris or something

cheers

[Jarreth]

flew one last winter, good fun, was a good bird, absolutely bomb proof, she was so calm, wasnt bothered by cars, dogs etc. he died after flying into a fence after a rabbit, by the time i got to him he was limp.


They are real characters aren't they. I am sorry m8, you must have been gutted.

[Jarreth]

Might be old fashioned but I believe in training at the birds pace and not what would be best for my ego

[Debbie]

UPDATE

They just re showed this program which I was pleased about as I missed it as was working.

Anyway....

At the end of the program they announce that Eagle Owls are now under PROTECTION under a new european law just passed.

So NO ONE can legally harm them.

Debbie x

[Moses]

Might be old fashioned but I believe in training at the birds pace and not what would be best for my ego



i agree bud, but theirs a trend now if u dont train your bird within 3 weeks and get them hunting u will get slagged for it so its forced upon a person and if the bird doesnt respond much the falconer gets confused

[Tr1gger]

UPDATE

They just re showed this program which I was pleased about as I missed it as was working.

Anyway....

At the end of the program they announce that Eagle Owls are now under PROTECTION under a new european law just passed.

So NO ONE can legally harm them.

Debbie x

BERY good news! means that prats cant go and destroy them :supz:

[SycoPaff]

i agree bud, but theirs a trend now if u dont train your bird within 3 weeks and get them hunting u will get slagged for it so its forced upon a person and if the bird doesnt respond much the falconer gets confused
one day next week mate, i'll see if i have time to post how i train a bird! want2see the reaction! its basicly less weight control and more bout the trust and friendship between falconer and his bird! its more rewarding2!

[Moses]

one day next week mate, i'll see if i have time to post how i train a bird! want2see the reaction! its basicly less weight control and more bout the trust and friendship between falconer and his bird! its more rewarding2!


pls that will be great bud, i luv a good read and i will appreciate that, cheers :)

[SycoPaff]

pls that will be great bud, i luv a good read and i will appreciate that, cheers :)
it'll probably be quite long! like the training! it aint nothin new! just forgoten by some people!

[Moses]

it'll probably be quite long! like the training! it aint nothin new! just forgoten by some people!


longer the better mate i will also print it out :D

cheers

[Tr1gger]

I would enjoy that aswell