Male harris on rabbit and hare

[World.Hunters]

is it possible for male harris hawks to take rabbits and hare

sorry for so many post but i am just realy realy intrested and this seems to be the best way to find out good reliable information


thx alot


http://www.freewebs.com/englandhuntingscene

E.H.S@hotmail.co.uk

[FlameHairedFalconer]

These are rather basic questions from someone who has 'bought all the equipement and built an aviary'.

Might be a good idea to read a couple of books on falconry if you havent already:

Falconry and Hawking by Phillip Glasier

Falconry Art and Practice by Emma Ford

If you are interested particularily in Harris Hawks check out the thread on General Falconry about Martin Hollinshead.

I would also either join a club or find a falconer near to you who flys harrises and get out with him/her.

In answer to your question, male harris hawks will take rabbits but I would not recommend flying at hares.

FHF

[World.Hunters]

thx again i have read a few books but better to get information and tips of people such as ur self who can answer the questions asked i read
Falconry for Beginners by Lee Williams Harris a few days ago but this does not cover sum of the info i need and i prefer to see what people think as i know a few people who do things alot diffently then the books

thx anyways pal

[FlameHairedFalconer]

I wouldnt line my mews with that book!! Get yourself a copy of Emma Fords book, much better basic advice.

[Pogue Mahone]

my god i ask ya

[HunterPaul]

I wouldnt line my mews with that book!! Get yourself a copy of Emma Fords book, much better basic advice.
with you all the way on that... get a hollinshead collection on the go....philip glasiers book is not to be without.... and use the lwharris book to start your next bbq.... leave the hares alone with the little male....would you like to fight lennox lewis....why people insist on flying tiny birds at inappropriate prey is beyond me...a kick from a hare would send you screaming for the elastoplasts why put a bird under two pound at one.... i know you were only asking...but if you cant look at a mhh and look at a hare and work it out ...give up now...

[Addi]

with you all the way on that... get a hollinshead collection on the go....philip glasiers book is not to be without.... and use the lwharris book to start your next bbq.... leave the hares alone with the little male....would you like to fight lennox lewis....why people insist on flying tiny birds at inappropriate prey is beyond me...a kick from a hare would send you screaming for the elastoplasts why put a bird under two pound at one.... i know you were only asking...but if you cant look at a mhh and look at a hare and work it out ...give up now...

well said, most peoples female harris hawks would be pushed to hold a hare! never mind a little male! why do people insist on trying to take the largest quarry and risk injury to there bird, i know of a female harris that died within half an hour of a kick off a hare! the pm showd a ruptured diaphram and large internal bleeding!

[ChakChek]

seriously, this guy needs to get a clue

[Sean]

he only asked a question, im f*king sick of all you guys pouncing on people when they ask a question. this forum is for sharing information and thats what hes after. i doubt he will be getting his bird soon, but learning as much as he can untill then. anyway,,, A male harris can take rabbits ok but will struggle on hares,and its too dangerous to hunt hares with a male harris

[HunterPaul]

help him what ...screw up another bird...he is actively looking to buy at the moment...and cant wait to fill his mews...so if you think im gonna encourage anybody into falconry then you can think again....if its something that is not a flash in the pan...then he will see the critisism as constructive and realise that we all have the welfare of the bird at heart...he will then hang fire on buying a bird, get some experience and at least then hell have a jumping off point.... when somebody comes onto the forum with the right intensions by the birds we fly ...then they have a positive reaction from me everytime... but when i hear the i want it now or ill cry till i get it thing...it makes me want to remind them that this is a live creature we are talking about not a new bike....so what do you want me to do...heres encouragement....no male harris on hare not a good idea...what you really want is a goldie, then youll have all bases covered mate...there great fun ... go get one with out delay the season plowing on without you.... is that enough encouragement for you....

[HunterPaul]

remember seco...he was getting a bird ...and we managed to talk him out of it...to me this is the same scenario.... and we didnt manage to talk the kid around by pussyfooting around and mollicoddling him...we gave it to him straight...and personally i dont ask anything unless i expect a truthful honest reply....it may upset me it may hurt ...but at least i know that it is honest...so heres as i said to the guy before dont go buy a bird now wait learn ...wait learn...wait some more learn some more... and then maybe you might be in the right ball park to think about it...

[Pitbull]

i dont think it helped him by posting about four threads that seemed to all be questions that even if he had read the worst of books about HH or BOP before asking i dont think the questions would have risen.

[HunterPaul]

i have no problem with people telling the guy strait its when it decends to taking the pi^% i object if its constructive and on this thread it is but on plenty of others it isnt




Andy.........
andy with all due respect after the fourth stupid question...i start to think that somebody is taking the **** out of me..(not personally) and so react accordingly...i mean hes gonna get a bird soon and he wants to know about feeding live mice...my ten year old doesnt ask questions like that... I guard my sport jealously..and if questions like that are being asked at the stage where he has aviery and equipment and is looking for a hawk....it frightens the **** out of me... one anti reading that will have a field day and put me and all my fellow sportsmen and women in the same boat... he should have looked deeper into the whole thing before even making the first step on the ladder...

[Pitbull]

maybe a form could be set up for when joining the forum, stating what experience we have, and others things that may help others on the forum know who they are talking too etc. rather than just coming on and posting threads and questions, maybe have boxes that can be ticked so we can be directed to maybe previous threads and postings.

Just a thought tell me if i am blethering ****

[HunterPaul]

maybe a form could be set up for when joining the forum, stating what experience we have, and others things that may help others on the forum know who they are talking too etc. rather than just coming on and posting threads and questions, maybe have boxes that can be ticked so we can be directed to maybe previous threads and postings.

Just a thought tell me if i am blethering ****
maybe we could put a section on it where we say how gentle we'd like people to be with us... or wether we just want them to say what we want to hear

[HunterPaul]

i agree but i feel at least i have done my best to put them off buying one...and as far as helping is concerned, all the forum will be to people like that eventually will be a place to try to dump their screaming harris cos the neighbours are calling the council in.... i would love to help everybody who is starting out getting a bird...but if that person has already decided to get a bird with out at least learning the very basics ..then i feel that they are beyond help...here are some facts for the guy to look at ...go to everysection on this forum and read everythread about every subject...i promise you will pick up more info than any book you will ever buy.... after you have acheived this ..I swear you wont be able to think of a single stupid question that you cant answer yourself.... then get to know some falconers in your area....get out as often as they will allow you to accompany them...
help them clean there mews as way of saying thanks gut their rats guiney pigs rabbits for them...carry the ferrets ....get some land ... as much as pos... then think about the kind of bird that will suite that land and quarry that it holds...then use the forum to find a reputable breeder..not the one nearest to you...do not buy a second hand bird....get a bird at the end of the summer... learn about your quarry.... then ...start to think about if you want a bird ...then come back on the forum and join in with the ****taking...
i hope this helps you out DFS...but this is so basic it wont even come close to getting you started...good luck
hows that...

[World.Hunters]

thx for the replies good and bad i know there basic but i am just asking what i am unsure about as i have been told alot of different things

i need to ask a fu*king question to get an answer

thax to the people that have helped me so far but i just want to be 110% sure about what im doing b4 i get the bird and that can not be a bad thing surley

[Tr1gger]

I agree that was a stupid question and a little stick is ok. I agree a little is needed for asking a stupid question. But it so easily turns in to a mob of ppl against one person. Hunterpaul i respect ur answers and think ur damn wright, however ganging up on somone isnt needed in this case

[World.Hunters]

its just that i seen this in this forum page

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8302

and was wondering if anyone else have had hares

[Sean]

and another thing, the question he asked in the first place wasnt a silly question. Loads of people fly male harrises at hares , im sure he just wanted to know what use think

[World.Hunters]

thx sean

what would people say a comfortable waight is for flighing harris males and females at hares

[Addi]

thx sean

what would people say a comfortable waight is for flighing harris males and females at hares

ur just not listening are you!

[Sean]

wouldnt try with a male, but i wouldnt even try with a female, unless shes maybe 2lb 6+
u ever seen the female redtail on battles on teh high ground?

[HunterPaul]

the best first bird for you would be a big eagle..the bigger the better... and sean people do fly mhh at hares but in my opinion it is a foolish thing to put the welfare of your bird at risk...and for someone who hasnt a clue..even more foolish.... is this a friend of yours....if so talk some sense into him will you...as craig stated earlier a kick from a hare can take the life of your bird so get the right bird for the right job....

[Blaze]

thx sean

what would people say a comfortable waight is for flighing harris males and females at hares
2lb...........Males & females.........Thier both the same really.....They look the same dont they?........Are you the same weight as your mum????????????????????????

[Sean]

paul i dont know this guy, but that doesnt stop me defending him against bullies!

[HunterPaul]

paul i dont know this guy, but that doesnt stop me defending him against bullies!
im not bullying him and have never bullied anyone...just trying to save a poor bird from a fate worse than death....i asked if you knew him to talk sense into him as from what i can tell he is takingh no notice at all of anybody on here except the people that are telling hiom what he wants to hear....i will waste no more time or effort on what is clearly a lost cause.....

[Maxwell]

This thread is so cool!
I actually am the same weight as my mum.
Does this mean I could take a hare?

[Blaze]

This thread is so cool!
I actually am the same weight as my mum.
Does this mean I could take a hare?
From what a little dicky bird tells me..........A chuffing hare..You'd be able to tackle a lion if you were the same size as your mother!..........:supz: ....Just kidding pal!:twisted:

[Maxwell]

Lion...easy...
you should see my sister!

[Pogue Mahone]

yeah get a section for the inexperienced and the beginners,then youll end up with them all talking bolox and learning nothing,and theyll never get to the section where all the experts are ,excellent if youre an expert,youre own little world.maybe it would be an idea that if someone asks such a ridiculas question in youre eyes then just ignore it and you wont get worked up or risk a fall from your soap boxes;)

[Maxwell]

What's that got to do with my sister???????????????

[HunterPaul]

yeah get a section for the inexperienced and the beginners,then youll end up with them all talking bolox and learning nothing,and theyll never get to the section where all the experts are ,excellent if youre an expert,youre own little world.maybe it would be an idea that if someone asks such a ridiculas question in youre eyes then just ignore it and you wont get worked up or risk a fall from your soap boxes;)
i dont know a single person on here would consider themselves an expert....
if ridiculous questions go ignored then also how will the asker learn anything...but if you actually read the thread...it is about a ridiculous question being asked when someone is so close to getting a bird...if the same question was asked by somebnody stating they had just discovered falconry and may one day want to fly a bird when they have gained some experience on the subject ...im sure the response would be a little different....

[Sean]

dia ditch mo chairde, lol love the name!

[Barbary Boy]

with you all the way on that... get a hollinshead collection on the go....philip glasiers book is not to be without.... and use the lwharris book to start your next bbq.... leave the hares alone with the little male....would you like to fight lennox lewis....why people insist on flying tiny birds at inappropriate prey is beyond me...a kick from a hare would send you screaming for the elastoplasts why put a bird under two pound at one.... i know you were only asking...but if you cant look at a mhh and look at a hare and work it out ...give up now...
ill fight lennox lewis for a million quid!no probs, and have a side bet on him,hah hah!!

[HunterPaul]

ill fight lennox lewis for a million quid!no probs, and have a side bet on him,hah hah!!
youd do anything to get next to a semi naked sweaty black man who is 6ft 5
you dirty lad....

[Achilles]

EXPERT - an unknown factor with a drip under pressure!

[OutFlying]

Questions like the original post, along with his others begger belief. How many times have people on this forum stated a falconry licence or course should be compulsory. But then someone comes along without a single clue about anything falconry related and the "happy bus pulls up" with all great advice coming forth.

The first advice should be how difficult a sport it is to undertake and how basic knowledge is a must. Then recommend at the very least a good book to read. THEN once this book has been read and re-read, then the newbie to ask questions he/she isn't clear about. If this forum is the only place someone thinks he can learn falconry then he's going to fail - one he can't be arsed to get the basics and two - most of the advice will be ********.

So Mister E.H.S - get off your back side, forget about getting a hawk this season and do some serious research.

OF.

[FlameHairedFalconer]

Questions like the original post, along with his others begger belief. How many times have people on this forum stated a falconry licence or course should be compulsory. But then someone comes along without a single clue about anything falconry related and the "happy bus pulls up" with all great advice coming forth.


Chances are the <deleted> will get a hawk anyway whatever we say, so even if we tell him to go and read a book/go on a course/etc (as I and others did!) and nothing else, I would feel responsible for the poor hawk he inflicts his latest fad on. If we just tell him to go away, chances are he will and buy the poor unfortunate harris he wants, and keep it until it starts to scream (or dies). He wont come back here and ask the necessary questions.

Theres no 'happy bus' (except for Moses, he should come with a warning!) - many people use the internet as their first port of call these days, and while it is not ideal, we have to recognise that is the case and provide something constructive. Its frustrating I know, but until the free market in BoP is licenced or curtailed its going to be a fact of life.

FHF

[World.Hunters]

i agree i need to know abit more so can anyone recomenf a cours in nottingham i can take

[Tr1gger]

Questions like the original post, along with his others begger belief. How many times have people on this forum stated a falconry licence or course should be compulsory. But then someone comes along without a single clue about anything falconry related and the "happy bus pulls up" with all great advice coming forth.

The first advice should be how difficult a sport it is to undertake and how basic knowledge is a must. Then recommend at the very least a good book to read. THEN once this book has been read and re-read, then the newbie to ask questions he/she isn't clear about. If this forum is the only place someone thinks he can learn falconry then he's going to fail - one he can't be arsed to get the basics and two - most of the advice will be ********.

So Mister E.H.S - get off your back side, forget about getting a hawk this season and do some serious research.

OF.

:supz:
Brilliant advice, the best i've heard all day

[OutFlying]

some people don't like it :goodman:

[HunterPaul]

i agree i need to know abit more so can anyone recomenf a cours in nottingham i can take
no mate i cant recomend a course in nottingham... but as promised if you started acting and talking sensibly then ill gladly help...please do not enter into getting a bird this season...even if it comes with a suite case full of cash...wait till you have found a good breeder, it will be easy to do on here speak to babs about his birds for next year...sorry barbary boy...i have not seen the birds he produces but he seems a sensible enough bloke from what i can tell..if not a little gay... but in the mean time..order from amazon..a book called falconry and hawking by philip glasier...read this from cover to cover a couple of times...then invest in a couple more...while your doing this...ik sure there are some guys on here in your area who will be willing to take you out and show you the ropes....learn how to prepare a birds food ...when to give castings ...how to cast abird ...what a cast of birds are how to cast a bird off... one word lots of meanings... learn about ferrets and how to mput up game fopr the bird... but most importantly resist every urge to get a bird.... then hopefully when you do come to buying the long awaited hawk of your choice ...you may be ready to start learning about caring properly for a bird of prey.... keep coming on the forum...and stop asking ridiculous questions ...this will happen as most of them will be answered when youve read a book or two...

[Hawkin-Flight]

no i think we should help him lean and with any luck realise he needs to wait b4 geting a bird untill he knows what he's doing enough to be able to have a bird and do it right

rather than having a pop at him

all we will acheve by that is to have him leave the forum and then atempt to do it on his own

we cant stop him geting a bird if he realy insists on it but by helping him maybe we can make him see sence



Andy.........
well said Andy. I ain't been on this forum long, but some of the rants that i have seen are just foolish. Not sure what some people are trying to prove by doing it and is most certainly far from any help to anyone. Most comments are from people that have only been in the sport for a few years themselves. I'm sure if they had a problem or were in need of some advice then they would not welcome the same response.

[Pogue Mahone]

sound advice hp,lots of respect to you for taking the time to write it and ehs, my advice to you is to follow it dont run before you can walk

[HunterPaul]

well said Andy. I ain't been on this forum long, but some of the rants that i have seen are just foolish. Not sure what some people are trying to prove by doing it and is most certainly far from any help to anyone. Most comments are from people that have only been in the sport for a few years themselves. I'm sure if they had a problem or were in need of some advice then they would not welcome the same response.
some of the rants on here are the best advice ive heard given out...and it doesnt really matter if the advice is from somebody whos never actually owned a bird in there lives before ..as long as it is good sensible advice... a few sensible years in the sport is worth more than ten **** ones.... some people who have been ibn the sport a couple of years have encountered more flying time due to circumstances of work etc and more hands on experience with different birds than say some one who has owned a harris for 15 yrs and nothing else ,...who would you say was the more experienced... thats not knocking long term bird owners... the fact is the guy seems to have had a rethink... and is allegidely looking for a course... so if the so called rants have made him do this then to me its a job well done and another poor bird saved from the ever growing pile of dead and second hand birds that keep appearing.... it has been said if a person is put off by a few comments like the ones on here then great....they shouldnt be doing it anyway...

[Blaze]

some of the rants on here are the best advice ive heard given out...and it doesnt really matter if the advice is from somebody whos never actually owned a bird in there lives before ..as long as it is good sensible advice... a few sensible years in the sport is worth more than ten **** ones.... some people who have been ibn the sport a couple of years have encountered more flying time due to circumstances of work etc and more hands on experience with different birds than say some one who has owned a harris for 15 yrs and nothing else ,...who would you say was the more experienced... thats not knocking long term bird owners... the fact is the guy seems to have had a rethink... and is allegidely looking for a course... so if the so called rants have made him do this then to me its a job well done and another poor bird saved from the ever growing pile of dead and second hand birds that keep appearing.... it has been said if a person is put off by a few comments like the ones on here then great....they shouldnt be doing it anyway...
SPOT ON!...............And a job well done.......People dont have to have years of experience to know not to get something if you dont know how to care for it properly.........Its not experiance it comnsense!.......

[Simon.Wyatt]

Bang on the money HP rant away iam a new boy and i am learning all the time from every body's Threads.

However you must be some kind of half wit to ask some of the Q and deserve everything they get.....

[Addi]

i agree i need to know abit more so can anyone recomenf a cours in nottingham i can take

thats the most sensible thing you have said since you started posting on this forum! ... congrats!