Harris Hawks being passed on!

[GM090158]

I know there has been a lot of talk recently about screaming HH and owners just passing them on, I have just looked at the IBR Bird Mart and these were the first two listings. It is a sad world we live in!!:(

Harris Hawk, weight 1lb 9oz, started calling hence £125, offers on both email jason.foley@tiscali.co.uk (South Wales) (16018195).

2005 Harris Hawk, female, sadly started screaming, flown since August and taken mainly feather £275 ono. Contact Paul on 01273 309566 / 07867 657059 or email paul39ish@fsmail.net (East Sussex) (160112271).

[Osiris]

god sake. with work and time the hawks will settle down. i cant understand why people just want to pawn them off. what was the point in gettin a hawk in the first place if this is what the owners are going to do. sad.

[DeathFromAbove]

is very sad indeed. my harris is vocal before going out due to excitement - altho it gets annoying sometime i wouldn't change her for the world.... turned into a fantastic hunter..... sad sad people. i fart in their general direction :butthead:

[Talon]

the thing is at that price some one with even less exsperience than them is going to buy it and f*ck them up even more .
then pass it on again .and so on and so on.
thats why thay should be some sort of liscencing brought out.

[Osiris]

The people who are selling these "screaming" harris' or any bird for that matter, just in my opinion are lazy and cant be bothered to try and calm down the hawk etc. its a disgrace!

[Sean]

hi guys, ive got a screaming hawk. hes been entered and if he doesnt get a kill i feed him up off a dead rabbit. but hes still vocal. if he aint shut up by now, i doubt he ever will. has anyone even heard of a vocal bird quieting down? with the same owner

[Eragon]

yes, sometimes hawks will scream because they have associated you with food, so don't let him see you put the tidbit/ food on the glove. also if you don't give him food while he is screaming that is negativly reinforcing the screaming so eventually he will stop.

[Fires59]

I think most people must understand when they get the bird in the first year they may call, mine calls for my attention and when i go in she shuts up. she calls sometimes in the car just change my routine as much as i can and when she is taken out again she shuts up. They are clever she knows when we are going hunting and starts to call to me when i go down a dip were we hunt in the car, so when i go to a differnt place she dosent call cos she dosent think we are there yet like one of the other members said change your routine and sometimes stop have a coffee before carrying on with your journey. If cant stand the screaming then dont get the bird in the first place.

[Sean]

i havent feed him off the glove in about 6 weeks, unless calling him when out hunting

[Pitbull]

The people who are selling these "screaming" harris' or any bird for that matter, just in my opinion are lazy and cant be bothered to try and calm down the hawk etc. its a disgrace!

this maybe the case but if they are in the middle of a housing estate and the neighbours are sreaming at them, or possibly council you dont know. This should be another factor when going to buy a bird.

[Debbie]

Sadly this is beginning to get so common.

I have rehomed 2 in the past 6 weeks both taken from ignorant untrained owners and now with experienced people.

We need licensing and we need a similar scheme as the US with sponsership.

One of the Harris's I collected a male the bloke said see what I mean he won't stop screaming. The poor thing was only chattering nothing else.

I told him my Parrakeet made more noise than his Harris but he still wanted to part with it and truth be known I was happy to remove the bird. It came out in conversation that he also had not realised just how much care and time the bird required and it was too much for him. And I think the screaming which was hardly at all was just an excuse - this would never happened if we had a sponser system GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

The other one I collected was a 24/7 screamer which hardly stopped the whole time I was there the guys wife was an emotional wreck and just could not stop crying as the screaming was so stressfull for her. But she is now residing with a guy who has 2 others that scream all day and night so you can imagine the noise where he lives lol I could here them from the road and his drive is ages long lol

Personally I like the sound of a screaming Harris or any BOP - But Macaws that does do my head in lol

Debbie






People really do my head in.

[Dave G]

hi all for the last 2 years my male harris has screamed ,not while free lofted at home just when boxed up and put in the motor and start the car engine ,and for a short while out ??? if chased quarry straight away he went silent, this year at the age of 3 he has become silent well up to yet any way so the answer could be yes a screaming hawk can become silent ,i bet ive put me foot in it lol and he starts screaming lol, but why get rid of a good hunting bird if he screams as in time they could become silent

[FlameHairedFalconer]

The other one I collected was a 24/7 screamer which hardly stopped the whole time I was there the guys wife was an emotional wreck and just could not stop crying as the screaming was so stressfull for her.



Oh for gods sake! - theres alot worse things in this life than screaming harrises - sounds like she needed a slap!! My first harris screamed 24/7 in his first year. He even screamed with his head under his wing! He did actually shut up in his third year and I managed his screaming on a daily basis.

The thing is you have to think about these things laterally - and I guess these people dont have the brain power to out think a harris. Sad isnt it!

FHF

[Talon]

alot of young hh screem in there first year.
but usaly settle and quite down in there second year.
not saying all but alot.
my friend had a fhh wich he bred and took out of aviary .
at 11 weeks. old too early i know.she was a bad screemer .and was going to get rid .but put her in a seclusion aviary fed her up for 4 weeks and.
it did the trick,now shes totaly silent and a cracking bird.
i now this dont work for every bird but worth a try.

[Osiris]

this maybe the case but if they are in the middle of a housing estate and the neighbours are sreaming at them, or possibly council you dont know. This should be another factor when going to buy a bird.

Exactly mate. You need to think of ALL the factors before getting a bird. Some people don't, then the bird ends up getting pawned off.

[Sparrow Hawker]

It is sad but some people I imagine have no other choice! Perhaps there not selling them through choice!

If there living in a built up area and neighbours start to complain there's not much people can do! I doubt there's many understanding neighbours that would be willing to listen and understand that the bird will quieten down eventually!

How many people would stand next door neighbours dog barking 24/7 or loud music being played!

HH

[HunterPaul]

It is sad but some people I imagine have no other choice! Perhaps there not selling them through choice!

If there living in a built up area and neighbours start to complain there's not much people can do! I doubt there's many understanding neighbours that would be willing to listen and understand that the bird will quieten down eventually!

How many people would stand next door neighbours dog barking 24/7 or loud music being played!

HH
the lesson is this...and ive said it before....when buying any live animal think of the worst case scenario...then think if you can cope with that...if you can then buy it as everything after that is a bonus.... these peiople who are now selling there screaming birds are doing so because they rushed into it without thinking it through properly.... weve all done things like this the difference is i dont make a half assed excuse about the mistake ive made....

[Sparrow Hawker]

I don't think we can judge others without knowing all the facts thats all i'm saying! For a start the harris could be an imprint fault could lie with the breeder, we merely don't know! Sure they may have contributed to it being a screamer but its pure speculation! If the councils asked them to rehome the bird on they don't have a choice!

All The Best,

HH

[HunterPaul]

I don't think we can judge others without knowing all the facts thats all i'm saying! For a start the harris could be an imprint fault could lie with the breeder, we merely don't know! Sure they may have contributed to it being a screamer but its pure speculation! If the councils asked them to rehome the bird on they don't have a choice!

All The Best,

HH
fact he should have gone to a reputable breeder...fact a harris may scream if you do everything perfect, they are vocal birds...fact you should know all this BEFORE buying one and subjecting the poor creature to you.... fact another bird on the secondhand list...fact most of them go to a similar kind of ******** that had it in the first place fact back on the market....stuff circumstances...account for worst case scenario ..then no probs... fact

[Sparrow Hawker]

fact he should have gone to a reputable breeder...fact a harris may scream if you do everything perfect, they are vocal birds...fact you should know all this BEFORE buying one and subjecting the poor creature to you.... fact another bird on the secondhand list...fact most of them go to a similar kind of ******** that had it in the first place fact back on the market....stuff circumstances...account for worst case scenario ..then no probs... fact


In an ideal world the world would be perfect but unfortunatley its not! It has even been known before for reputable breeders to be less than honest!

At least the guys selling the birds are honest in saying that there vocal, too many people would have the birds at fat weight and advertise them as silent!

These people may not have a choice if there forced to part with a bird then they have to! If the neighbours complained to the authorities because of noise pollution than they have no other choice.

Harris's are naturally vocal birds! But how many people if there honest would have to unfortunately part with there bird if it were screamin 24/7 and they lived in a built up area! I'd think you find it would be fairly high if people are totally honest! Not everyone lives in the middle of nowhere!

All The Best,

HH

[HunterPaul]

and if all these points were considered in the first place ...you wouldnt have a bird if you were sensible, and couldnt cater for it...so in an ideal world ..no second hand harris hawks.... it may not be an ideal world but whats wrong with striving for that....this is why i discourage people rushing in and buying birds on a whim.....

[Sparrow Hawker]

Nothing wrong at all striving for that.

We'll aways get birds on the second hand market not just Harris's due to screaming but for other people wanting to move onto different species etc. There will always be genuine reasons for sale and on the flip side as well! I just don't think we can comment without knowing all the facts.

Can't really relate this to this thread having not known all the issues and facts - but unfortunately every year you get people coming into falconry and after a season give up.

Unfortunately this will always happen unless some sort of licencing system comes into play to reduce some of the issues within falconry there's always going to be these sorts of problems about!

The main thing is that the birds are not mistreated in anyway and if it means the bird being passed on for a better life than surely its for the good of the bird!

All The Best,

HH

[Achilles]

I love it

ever thought about a carear in therapy lmao




Andy........

Andy,

I take it that you mean't to say "Touch therapy"?

[Sean]

hey my birds a screamer and i live in a built up area lol. but ive let the neighbours kids all see rolf, and fly him a little. so they are all friendly to me and like him. they worst complainers are my sisters :@ but then he only screams in daylight, which is when most people are at work.

[Barbary Boy]

im not saying there arnt dishonest breeders out there coz there is! but its so easy to blame the breeder when any bird can potentially turn into a screamer in the wrong hands.i will never garantee that a bird ive bred will not scream, i cant, all i guarantee is the way the bird was reared totally truethfully and up front. if some one takes a bird away and ******s it up its not my fault, all the broadwings are naturally vocal anyway!dos anyone out there have a totally silent h/hawk? no, they all talk to you , its just a question of how much and what volume!!! can anyone tell me how to spell garantee?

[HunterPaul]

im not saying there arnt dishonest breeders out there coz there is! but its so easy to blame the breeder when any bird can potentially turn into a screamer in the wrong hands.i will never garantee that a bird ive bred will not scream, i cant, all i guarantee is the way the bird was reared totally truethfully and up front. if some one takes a bird away and ******s it up its not my fault, all the broadwings are naturally vocal anyway!dos anyone out there have a totally silent h/hawk? no, they all talk to you , its just a question of how much and what volume!!! can anyone tell me how to spell garantee?
guarantee...and i did state that even if you did everything perfectly ...you could still end up with a vocal bird...it is a fact of flying hh..eventually you will have a screamer....to what extent is down to the individual bird and what your own personal idea of screaming is...

[Barbary Boy]

eggfugginzactly!m8.

[Murph]

im just reading those adverts myself!!! Could someone not work the screaming out ??

[Achilles]

I've had a few birds that like to scream, in my time.

[Murph]

i would even consider buying one it if i knew what to do lol! (Still got alot to learn)