The same as the EEO in 10 years time

[Pitbull]

Do you think in about ten years time we could be sitting down watching the natural world on bbc2 all about how the Harris Hawk is successfully breeding in the wild,

If so what do you think we should be doing now to prevent this from happening

[Ben C]

Nothing, they are not indiginous and so can be culled legally.........however as this is a public forum, I am totally sure that their are no wild Harris Hawks living out in the UK at this moment in time ;-)

[Osiris]

Nothing, they are not indiginous and so can be culled legally.........however as this is a public forum, I am totally sure that their are no wild Harris Hawks living out in the UK at this moment in time ;-)

:roll: think there is mate :roll:

Pitbull, why would you want to prevent it?

[Pitbull]

:roll: think there is mate :roll:

Pitbull, why would you want to prevent it?

the same way as the grey squirrel is not native i dont think it would be good,

But why i thought i would ask with this thread is they can not prove 100% that the EEO came of its own accord or was let loose from a falconer, the opposite could be said for the HH, Do we want to be seeing in a few years time the government sending out shooters to cull them and having restrictions put upon us or do we prevent it

[Osiris]

Now i get the post fully now, after you saying the stuff about the government. And you have a valid point m8. True we have no evidence that the pair came over or were released. We might never know, but it has happened and they have been here for some time. Theres probably all sorts of other non-residential BOPs in the UK breeding that we dont know of. Its life. Why shouldnt they be allowed?? If they are happy and settled here, why cant they remain that way.

I see your point m8. I'll have to think about it in more depth tho to come back with another response regarding "how could we stop the government sending out shooters in years to come"...

Cheers

Jamie :roll:

[Pitbull]

i heard that the EEO is breeding successfully in the north of scotland also

[Osiris]

all for them m8, thats all i can say :D:D

Nice thread m8 :D

[Barbary Boy]

i think people should be concerned about none indiginous species breeding wild here, it would be very good ammo for the government or antis to use for a ban on flying these species! like some other european coutries have allready done!see what that dos for the price of gosses?

[Afshimo]

hiya,

apparently, harris hawks used to be indigiouse the the uk. Might have been a myth as i was told merlin brought them over to the USA when King arthur when over as a pressie? I prob just gettin wires crossed lol.
But they do seem to be coping well with england, not in scotland with the cold etc but that could be due to living in a hot country for awhile.

But I think we shoudl be carefull and manage their population so if they do start breeding in earnest, we have some control and other population's of animals and birds wont be too badly affected. Compared the the average buzzard, they are more deadly and it will take the rabbits etc awhile to get used to the fact. Amd the whole ecosytem etc etc etc.

Other than that, nature is predicted to be unpredictable

[Talon]

alot of the over countrys seem to be ok with the return of eeos
they have buzzards to and gosse.and a lot less rabbits if not any than us.
and still have a healthy population of buzzards & gosses.
i dont think its going to come to the day when theres flocks of eeols flying around killing every thing on site.
as far as im awere little owls were introduced to britain.
are was not native. and before any one starts saying yes but there alot smaller.i know.but wasnt the argument.wether they should be protected.if thay didnt come here of there own acords.or introduced.

http://www.rspb.org.uk/birds/guide/l/littleowl/index.asp

[Tr1gger]

hiya,

apparently, harris hawks used to be indigiouse the the uk. Might have been a myth as i was told merlin brought them over to the USA when King arthur when over as a pressie? I prob just gettin wires crossed lol.
But they do seem to be coping well with england, not in scotland with the cold etc but that could be due to living in a hot country for awhile.

But I think we shoudl be carefull and manage their population so if they do start breeding in earnest, we have some control and other population's of animals and birds wont be too badly affected. Compared the the average buzzard, they are more deadly and it will take the rabbits etc awhile to get used to the fact. Amd the whole ecosytem etc etc etc.

Other than that, nature is predicted to be unpredictable

Yeah i heard that as well they were sold to people as black peregrines. As there was no bird books in that time people didnt no there was not such thing or what was what.

[Talon]

ye i think i bought one.ha.lol

[Barbary Boy]

we used to call them red rooks in the 70s, everyone took the p**s out of them saying they were a kind of harrier,how things have turned around?

[NewBird]

Do you think in about ten years time we could be sitting down watching the natural world on bbc2 all about how the Harris Hawk is successfully breeding in the wild,

If so what do you think we should be doing now to prevent this from happening

Hold on more tightly to the leash !!!!!! Sorry .. lousy sense of humour
New Bird

[Goldie]

Do you think in about ten years time we could be sitting down watching the natural world on bbc2 all about how the Harris Hawk is successfully breeding in the wild,

If so what do you think we should be doing now to prevent this from happening

You are most likley correct and probably in less than 10 yrs.
As to what to do about it? We should start by looking at how these birds are lost in the first place. They become so tame it should be nearly impossible to lose one except in exceptional circumstances and any that are lost otherwise is down to **** poor management, generally brought about by new falconers getting there first HH and finding them "so easy" that the overlook the true need for proper weight control.

Yes, i know there are other types of birds being lost but the sheer numbers of HH in the country being lost make it reasonable to assume they will and do find mates more so than the others.
Birds such as Gosses spars merlins and peregrines are native and don't present a problem, and the hybrid falcons as a rule wont generally breed although it has been known.
Other species that may be lost from time to time are in smaller numbers and the likelyhood of finding a mate is slim (redtails apart)

In some countries you may only fly a non-indigenous species if it is first imprinted, well god help us if that should be the case with HH, they can be more than vocal when parent reared without imprinting.

Hannah....I think you will find the story about Merlin stemmed from a tongue in cheek article sometime ago in one of the falconry mags regarding the making of a film. However, even if true, by definition they would still be a Non- Indigenous species.

Osiris.....I think if you read Ben Cs post again you will find another meaning to his quote, he is well aware of the situation and also that it is a public forum and as such information in the wrong hands does our sport no good.

[Danny]

Goshawks have benefited from accidental releases and are breeding succesfully and spreading into new areas so eeo would do exactly the same
if left to do so. If they can find enough food in the mountain regions of scandanavia they will have plenty of food to find in this country. EEO's have even breed in the city of Rome so they could even breed in our towns. (That will put the sh.ts up the cat lovers)

[ChakChek]

(That will put the sh.ts up the cat lovers)

hahaha, i like the sounds of that. sodding moggys!

[Tim Laycock]

what do you think we should be doing now to prevent this from happening

Shooting them!

[Maxwell]

What is the biggest selling FMCG (Fast Moving Consumer Good)?

Answer... Cat food.
Yep.. Even beats toilet paper!

Too many people harping on about EEO upsetting the eco-balance - Cat lovers should perhaps look to what's the "cause and effect" themselves first...

[Ben C]

We seem to be missing the point; EEO are present in this country because of bad management on falconers behalf. Forget about other non-indiginous species they do not set a legal president. When the RSPB, PETA and other bodies are researching evidence to ban the sport, they will look to the care we have taken to monitor and PREVENT damage to the environment. Any non-indiginous species of raptor should be culled as a matter of course, in order to show we are taking steps to prevent ANY upset to the UK flora and Fauna. Forget anything other than cleaning our own house.

I am surprised at the amount of people wishing the EEO good luck, considering the type of anti's, animal welfare groups and other political groups that read, store and download the conversations on this site.

I agree with BB, and I would do the same to my beloved HH as well. Becuase it is ILLEGAL to have a non-indiginous, released animal running wild in the UK. Just like ferrets.


Just look at what these people believe falconry to be!


http://www.league.uk.com/about_us/our_policy.htm

[Danny]

I don<t own a bird of prey I joined this forum to get in contact with people who owned them to get the chance to photograph them. The people I have
met in the sport are extremley knowledgeable on BOP.
Form an outsider looking in
the art of falconry is a fantastic sport but you need do to all you can do preserve it, ten years ago I would not I have said fox hunting would have been banned and now hunting with hounds has, falconry will be next on the jender. If you have been reading the posts by EHS it these sort of people that will damage your sport for good, don't make the same mistakes as the fox hunters did and think it would never happen. Polititions don't live in the real world looking down on us from their plush apartments they have more in common than the people who want it banned

[Harrisii]

We seem to be missing the point; EEO are present in this country because of bad management on falconers behalf. Forget about other non-indiginous species they do not set a legal president. When the RSPB, PETA and other bodies are researching evidence to ban the sport, they will look to the care we have taken to monitor and PREVENT damage to the environment. Any non-indiginous species of raptor should be culled as a matter of course, in order to show we are taking steps to prevent ANY upset to the UK flora and Fauna. Forget anything other than cleaning our own house.

I am surprised at the amount of people wishing the EEO good luck, considering the type of anti's, animal welfare groups and other political groups that read, store and download the conversations on this site.

I agree with BB, and I would do the same to my beloved HH as well. Becuase it is ILLEGAL to have a non-indiginous, released animal running wild in the UK. Just like ferrets.


Just look at what these people believe falconry to be!


http://www.league.uk.com/about_us/our_policy.htm

the EEOs presence in this country hasen't been proven to be due to bad management by falconers. this is the debate, whether they came here or are the result of releases, and/or escapes. what we must think about is how many people actucally had eagles owls 10 to 12 years ago?? and would they release them?? (no harry potter mania then). it has also been proven that eagle owls can and do travel vast distances in search of new territorries, etc.
the chances are high, but the proof is not there.

non-indigenous BOP should not be culled, ie: by shooting. this is barbaric and not neccesary. whats wrong with, for example, trapping them.

to say they should be culled as a matter of course in order to show "we" are taking steps to prevent ANY upset to the UK flora and Fauna, is quite frankly mad. these anti's and animal welfare people would use this very thing against us. "if they can kill their own birds" what do they care about quarry species.

this is wrong. everyone knows that cats are the biggest killers of indigenous wild birds and small mammals including rare migratory birds, but try saying something about culling feral cats and you will be hung. Try telling cat lovers and cat welfare groups that its their responsibility to do it, by the nads!

i do wish the EEOs good luck, and believe they are a welcome addition to the fauna of these isles. lets get it into perspective, they aint doing no harm and more of a fuss would be made if someone went out and shot them.
animal welfare groups, and the anti's would be up in arms if someone did shoot them. these are the same folk who released thousands and thousands of mink into the brittish countryside. they dont care about the balance of nature, they care about the individual animals themselves.

i am also astonished that you would actually write that you would shoot your own harris if it went feral. this is incredable. would you not rather she was trapped?? an example i used earlier! lets hope some gamekeeper doesnt blow her out the air with a 12 gauge on your next hunting trip, after all its a non-native BOP.

it is illegal to intentionally release some non-indigenous animals, birds and plants into the wild.
its not illegal to have them running wild in the UK.

As for ferrets they are classified as "domesticated" animals whose ancestors ARE indiginous.

The Brittish isles are full of non-indigenous wildlife and not all are harmless.
but there is little or nothing being done to control any of them.
here are a few of them, and you may not be surprized to see a few prey items for your birds here. would you want rid of them too??

grey squirrel. rabbit. brown hare. mink. brown rat. cats. pheasants. red-legged partridge. ruddy duck. mandarin duck. wood duck. ring necked parakeet. little owl. canada geese. sika deer, muntjack. fallow. chinese water deer. scorpions. . millions of garden plans now introduced into the wild and out competing our native flora.

we cannot assume that falconry or falconers will be blamed for deliberately introducing non-native species. and we cannot take it apon ourselves to go out and shoot these rare escapees. we dont blame all gardeners for all the non-native plants now growing wild. it is a few individuals who deliberately release, it is a sorry lot that accidentally lose their birds but i guess not one would intentionally shoot it should they get close enough to it.

[Tanith]

BenC Why are you now BenC junior member?

[MickeyDredd]

BenC Why are you now BenC junior member?

he masquerades as a young boy on other forums too :lol: :lol:

[Ben C]

i am also astonished that you would actually write that you would shoot your own harris if it went feral. this is incredable. would you not rather she was trapped??
.

For clarification:

I would shoot HH in GENERAL......not mine in PARTICULAR. But only if they became a problem.

The cat issue is no brainer: Cats are not used to hunt: Therefore are tolerated: Because using a cat as a hunting tool is not sport they are much loved.........Come on Harrisii even you know that???? The cat issue is not AT ALL RELEVENT in a legal framework.

Trapping??? Nice idea but where do they go????


The term "Domesticated" ceases to exist as a means of defence when taken in a hunting context. i.e "I un-intentionally released it to hunt". Extrapolate to the end my mate ;-) ;-)

we cannot assume that falconry or falconers will be blamed for deliberately introducing non-native species. and we cannot take it apon ourselves to go out and shoot these rare escapees.

MMMMMMMM OK, sounds to me as if you may not have ever talked to some REAL hardcore intellectual animal rights fighters!!!

But I may be wrong.......as I say Harrisii, I respect your flights and your opinion.


Good flyin brother:supz: :supz:

[Kornie]

There are extremists everywhere, it does not mean they have a good foundation of supporters behind them... I could name groups from one end of the scale to the other of complete nutters from absolute animal rightists to gun raving loonies...

Falconry has (many thanks to the demonstration teams out there) portrayed a very good image amongst the general population, it's almost paranoa to beleive that falconry will be banned just because it's listed o the "to ban" list of a clearly extremist animal rights group.

[Harrisii]

I agree with BB, and I would do the same to my beloved HH as well. Becuase it is ILLEGAL to have a non-indiginous, released animal running wild in the UK. Just like ferrets.

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shooting any bird of prey if you are a falconer and a lover of raptors is an unholy sin and completely immoral, (in my opinion). To shoot a bird you used to own, is unthinkable, (in my opinion). or even one of the same species.
what type of problem are eagleowls causing, they have been nesting here for over 10 years. (any cats gone missing)? fact is, no-one knew about it till recently, therfore didnt give a ****. but now it has been highlighted??

yes, cats aint used to hunt. however they kill indescriminately, all the time, day and night, you can bet your last chick leg one is stalking or mauling a native bird or mammal as you read this. For all the damage they do to our native wildlife, which is more than any escaped raptor would, nothing is done or said.
as for the legal framework?? lost me. "it is illegal to deliberately release any animal which is not normally resident ie: native, into the wild". this includes cats. sure, some are lost or go feral by their own accord. but so do birds of prey. so what do we do about cats??? NOTHING! what do we do about BOP??? shoot them?? are you serious??
Falconry will not come accross in a better light if we, the falconers, intentionally kill our own birds incase it influences the ecosystem.
Thats not the message we need to send out.

yes, i believe that trapping birds which have escaped would be a much better option. its simple to find out where they are. reported sightings, co-ordinated efforts using large organisations, such as RSPB, wildlife trusts, forrest enterprize, not to mention the network of falconers throughout the country.
and workers of the countryside to pinpoint potential escapees, lost birds, or troublesome birds. there are plenty or birders and naturalists etc, out there who would be more than happy to take part if they felt it was beneficial to the conservation of out native species.
where do they go?? you said, but if they were so hard to find, then they cannot be much of a problem!

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I agree with BB, and I would do the same to my beloved HH as well. Becuase it is ILLEGAL to have a non-indiginous, released animal running wild in the UK. Just like ferrets.

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the ferret thing. judging by your initial post you mentioned the ferret:
(as above), in the context that it was a released animal running wild.
ie: (doesnt belong there).

in your second post you took on the view that releasing it un-intentionally would not be a relevant defence in a hunting context. to me these 2 points are not closely related nor relevant. lets leave the ferret thing as it is.

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your take on things is confusing however disapointing in that not so long ago people were intent on killing our native birds of prey to preserve non-native game birds and/or domesticated stock. and believe it or not, it is happening right now. native birds such as peregrine, buzzards, red kite, goshawk, goldies, harriers, are being targeted by poisons, poletraps, shooting, nest raiding etc, etc. As mentioned, if not for falconers, native birds such as the gos' would still be absent from most of this isle. a bit of a 2 edged sword eh?

for the record, i do not agree with non native species of any sort being introduced into the wild, be it bird, mammal, plant whatever. i am a conservationist, like most falconers, however, i do not agree with Bens thoughts on how "any non-indigenous species of raptor should be culled as a matter of course in order to show we are taking steps to prevent ANY upset to the UK flora and Fauna". this, in my view, is absurd.

I enjoy your comments and debate Ben, but i have to disagree mate. i would be raging mad if i thought someone shot my bird when lost because it was non-indigenous. it aint thinkable mate. whether he/she was lost for 2 day, 2 month or 2 year. it would not be acceptable to me. i dont know about you.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pitbull
what do you think we should be doing now to prevent this from happening

BB: Shooting them!

the quote above from BB, i believe, was a tongue in the cheek remark regarding the harris occuring wild on our isle. (i hope).
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MMMMMMMM OK, sounds to me as if you may not have ever talked to some REAL hardcore intellectual animal rights fighters!!!
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no i havent, but it sounds like you have!!
I have no time for them. they are not of a balanced opinion, in my view. these do-gooders who spend weeks chained to a tree or camping in the woods cause more damage to the environment and local wildlife than the initial cause of the protest. same as these psycho's who released thousands of mink into the wild to wreck several miles of riparian ecosystem. those who send letter bombs to animal testing facilities, those who assault others in the name of animal rights, those hunt sabatuers who go with intentions of disruption and violence, those who are on the wrong side of the law whilst carrying out their past time. If they cared so much about animal rights and the environment then why dont they get a job and make a diference, such as in education, conservation, etc, instead of terrorismt.

i like most falconers keep to the right side of the law. this is a democraric society we live and until that changes then i will be an arse, bumping my gums at what I believe is right.

cheers Ben, no hard feelings bud.

[Ben C]

Harrisii: This is definately being conducted in a friendly manner mate :heart: you can disagree all you like, as long as we are not swearing at each other dude.

To maintain a balance of a particular area via culling a NON- INDIGINOUS species that is HYPOTHETICALLY running rampant (as the initial question/statement) posed is not immoral? Its a generally accepted way of life in the countryside. It is not done by ill informed, un educated game keepers any more. I welcome the Gos back....it's british after all!!!! (now don't start with the EEO being native....it is not recognised AS YET......anyway if we go back far enough the wooly mammoth is a native species.....shall we re-introduce that??? <LOL>).

The cat issue you keep highlighting (although valid) is a non issue in terms of an argument about how we behave as hunters.....yes they kill stuff but they cannot and will not ever be used as an example for keeping our sport alive. i.e "well cats kill more creatures each year, so why can't we keep hunting your honour...........(the judge is a cat lover with 13 of em:rolleyes: )" It's a no brainer. Also cats killing is viewed as 'natural' not sport.....I know I know...go figure????

Once trapped where do you put non-indiginous, PROBLEMATIC species then????

Do not leave the ferret thing as HH or EEO would be THEORETICALLY lost when hunting so they ARE related ??????

Yes I have watched and observed 'nut cases' from the anti forums. My girlfriend has written many thousands of words about them. They need to be listened to as that way you can keep yourself mentally switched on. I also said 'intellectual' as in politics and writing and policy......not terrorists....2 seperate things and entities mate.


However you have a VERY valid point: EEO have been here for an age and have not caused a problem..................HH have been here since 1960's.......not a problem. So this thread is a bit silly and draws attention to a non-issue really:lol: :rolleyes:


Alex:What can I say.......YES YES AND THRICE YES MY CALADONIAN PAL!!!!

[Anthony Appleyard]

The article about Wizard Merlin and Harris Hawks being native in England, is a hoax joke inspired by a case of a careless movie prop man using a Harris Hawk in a King Arthur movie. I also have the magazine that that article is in.

I was told a few days ago at a falconry center that Harris Hawks are breeding in the wild now, in Shropshire in England.

Which countries have restrictions on flying non-indigenous species of hawks?

Recently I saw a TV program about a pair of European Eagle Owls breeding in the wild in a valley in Ministry of Defence land in the Peak District. At the time of filming they had reared 20 young to independence, and they had 3 in the nest. The only information about where their 20 young had dispersed to, was that one (identified by a ring) electrocuted itself on power lines in south Wales.

To your member Harrisii's list of non-native animals in Britain, add the wild boar.

If Harrises settle in England, good luck to them. Likely they will do plenty towards keeping the rabbit population in check; rabbit damage is a major pest.

[Heike]

At the end of the day, whether they were native before, they are now.
They have got wings and can go where they like, who are we to say its right or wrong, good luck to all wild birds of prey.

[Talon]

wild boar are native to the uk they have just been reintraduced.after been
hunted out .

[ChakChek]

i cant really see there is anything we can do to stop captive species from getting loose or getting let loose by some knobbers.

with the amount of exotic pets kept now its inevitable that some will find a way out of where they are kept.

most of those that excape dont seem to do anything worth crying home about anywhos, even if small breeding pairs or groups are established. some even do good such as the boar.

[Pitbull]

do you not think that a bird such as the HH could damage some of our native species. As been said on the forum plenty of times "dont get a buzzard a HH is far a better hunter "
Personally i think we should keep a close watch,

[ChakChek]

well if it happens, it happens.

simple

of course, i don t think anyones ****ing dumb enough to go releasing harris's into the wild. anyone stupid enough needs their nackers cut.

[Talon]

dont think its a case of ppl releasing them .more of a case of ppl loseing them.

[ChakChek]

dont think its a case of ppl releasing them .more of a case of ppl loseing them.

ture, but even still, i doubt very much the fact there COULD be a few breeding pairs of harris hawks one day will have any kind of major effect on the UKs wild buzzard population will it.

[Talon]

i agree with you .dont think it would be a problem .or have no prob with eeols breeding wild in the uk ever.

[Achilles]

Just a thought... the Badger was introduced by the Romans but is now a protected species.

[ChakChek]

Just a thought... the Badger was introduced by the Romans but is now a protected species.

true, as were a fair few flore and faunce species that people see now and think of as an indigenous species.

funny how they are protected yet are gunna be getting culled

[NGuruve]

yep load off animals were introduced to the uk so i think a new bop probly wont be too bad is a touchy subject though

[BHawk]

well if harris hawks became a problem why cant falconers catch them and fly them? free birds! and if we catch enough could get to the point we catch all the loose harris' bar the odd one here an there. problem solved, and personally i believe such an adaptable bird could have a huge impact for all our other birds of prey, wild goshawks would be competing as with buzzards and possibly even peregrines if the birds adapt to the coastline! anyway just a thought:roll:

[Anthony Appleyard]

well if harris hawks became a problem ...
I remember that people made similar alarm talk when the Little Owl was introduced to England, but British wildlife is still here.

[PlumbRite]

Lets hope they all take a liking to the grey tree rat!

Plumb

[StormRider]

The main thing we are all forgetting here is that the term indigenious is a human term and is based purely on guess work by modern and traditional conservationists. There are no legal records to say what was on our little island 1000 years ago, never mind 10,000 years ago. All we might have are a few badly drawn pictures/tapestries that depict some forms of animals, and we guess as to what they may be.
In my eyes, an animal becomes indigenious when it and only it decides its capable and willing to live and survive where it wants to. Is this not why some birds migrate? A duck in Russia gets a cold arse so wants to go and sit somewhere warmer in another country. What do we do, give it a bloody dual nationality passport? For christ sake we have humans on every friggin continent on the planet. In theory, humans couldnt exist on the antarctic without the help of animal skins and evolving technology. What do we do? Do we go and demolish all the igloos and execute all the eskimos? I dont thinks so.
In terms of activists, I have seen the devastation that they can cause with cassette incendiary bombs placed in pockets of jackets on sale in Marks and Spencers. The ones that went off almost burned down the shop. It was shown that they had been placed weeks before. In that time women and children would have been walking/shopping in the store and could have been killed. I dont understand a person or cause who would risk the lives of humans to push a point.
STU

[ChakChek]

The main thing we are all forgetting here is that the term indigenious is a human term and is based purely on guess work by modern and traditional conservationists. There are no legal records to say what was on our little island 1000 years ago, never mind 10,000 years ago. All we might have are a few badly drawn pictures/tapestries that depict some forms of animals, and we guess as to what they may be.
In my eyes, an animal becomes indigenious when it and only it decides its capable and willing to live and survive where it wants to. Is this not why some birds migrate? A duck in Russia gets a cold arse so wants to go and sit somewhere warmer in another country. What do we do, give it a bloody dual nationality passport? For christ sake we have humans on every friggin continent on the planet. In theory, humans couldnt exist on the antarctic without the help of animal skins and evolving technology. What do we do? Do we go and demolish all the igloos and execute all the eskimos? I dont thinks so.
In terms of activists, I have seen the devastation that they can cause with cassette incendiary bombs placed in pockets of jackets on sale in Marks and Spencers. The ones that went off almost burned down the shop. It was shown that they had been placed weeks before. In that time women and children would have been walking/shopping in the store and could have been killed. I dont understand a person or cause who would risk the lives of humans to push a point.
STU


im not entirely sure what it is your trying to say here :-|

[StormRider]

Nature has its own ways of finding solutions. I heard that a female golden eagle (22 years old) has gone missing presumed dead from natural causes from the Lake district. The paired male still being resident. There is hope that a female from Scotland will actually relocate itself to find a new partner in the Lakes. Now thats some instinct.
One of the Red Kites from the Northern Kites (Derwentside) project was missing for a long while after its release. It was discovered alive and kicking back in bloody Wales in the area of the nest where it was taken as chick. Again this is nature and instinct at its sharpest.
A small journey over the North Sea is no great feat for most birds if they decided they wanted to emigrate.
I also saw that programme about the EEO's and I have also seen a different programme on the same subject. It claimed that a pair of tagged EEO's from Holland were found safe and well in Suffolk somewhere.
STU

[StormRider]

Just ignore me peeps. Im just talkin *****. Im upset cause ive just seen Michael Barrymore on Big Brother.
STU

[ChakChek]

oh right i get ya now bud, sorry.

i find animals natural instincts very interesting. In the summer i was working with the RSPB and and was watching some swollow fledglings learning to fly and couldnt put into perspective how they manage to fly to Africa after being hatched in the UK.

Great Bustards have been known, in recent years, to fly over the north sea and settle in places in the UK for a season or so.

[OutFlying]

Just ignore me peeps. Im just talkin *****. Im upset cause ive just seen Michael Barrymore on Big Brother.
STU

Hope he's banned from the swimming pool. Feel sorry for the victim's family.

[Anthony Appleyard]

People have been saying that Harris Hawks originated in Britain and King Arthur
took some to the USA, where they bred.

Please do not pass this on and on until it becomes an "urban myth".

This is a JOKE, originating from a magazine called "Falconers", where it was inspired by a case when a movie contained a scene set in King Arthur's court, and one man there had a Harris Hawk, due to the props department being careless.

The Harris Hawk (_Parabuteo unicinctus_) originated in America. Fullstop.

If Harris Hawks become established in the wild in the UK, the main effect will likely be one more factor keeping wild rabbits under control.