Talons

[Crash]

I'm conducting a 'poll' to see if there is sufficient interest to warrant the capital expenditure to mass produce the following items.
How many times have you flown your bird at quarry only to end up with a tuff of fur or feathers for the effort? How many times do you think that the reason for this was due to dull talons? Once you start sharpening talons you are doomed to continue this process for the entire season which in return shortens the talon every time.
I developed for my bird (RT) a set of, what I have registered as, Talon Tips®. These devices fasten to the tip of the rear and front 'largest' talon and are made of a very hard material which has an extremely sharp point. (Two tips per foot) After having installed these tips my bird has drastically improved her slip to catch ratio as very few bunnies slip through her grasp. The tips have stayed sharp since first installed over a month ago but can be removed or sharpened while installed if desired.
From my measurements of various bird sizes and types I've determined that the only real variable is the thicknesses of the talon (at the tip) while the radius or curvature of this portion of the talon is relatively constant so mass production of various diameters is feasible, (small, medium, large for example).
I've also designed an item that I call Talon Sheaths® which are inserted over the talons while the bird is not hunting. These help prevent the bird’s natural talons from becoming dull due to banging around in her mew or transport box. When you get ready to hunt just simply remove the sheath and you're ready to go.
Please take the poll and let me know if you would be interested in these products or am I just nuts for suggesting this. Pricing will be determined at a later date depending on demand.
Thank you for your time.

[Barbary Boy]

any pics?

[Tanith]

Sounds like your bird is armed and extremely dangerous!!!

[Barbary Boy]

"crash" please check out the "names" thread! i bet your birds called something like "saker scissor hands". am i right?

[Osiris]

Lol B_B.

Sounds like these might put the hawk in danger if something goes wrong. We've all heard of the hawk piercing itself with its own talons, but now with this new invention, it could do some more harm...

I know why you designed these m8, and it is an ok idea but there has to be some other way that using strong pointed metal on the birds...

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

If I were you id look very closely into the law that governs the banning of cock fighting spurs. As you may find if memory serves me correctly that this set up would be illegal.

[Barbary Boy]

"CRASH"have you given any thought to a tungsten steel razor sharp beak sheath? i may be interested in one of those?

[Kanati]

why stop at a metal pointed tip for the talon...why not do a full metal cover for the talon with a blade running along the inside edge...that way if the bird doesnt get a good grip...the damage caused will be so horific, the bunny wont get far anyway! 8-) you could also put a non leathal poisen on the tips, so any victims that excape sucome to the drugs before they make cover and you can just go and pick them up alive! :wink: with this weapon any hawk can take down any prey item as long as its trained just to hit it once. - Fox hunting with sparow hawks... the options are endless ! :rolleyes:

Sorry...I dont think its actually a bad idea...but I wouldnt want to start doing it...I find the talons on my hawks sharp enough...would like to see a pic though.

[Barbary Boy]

i like it. what else can we come up with?heh heh

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

A little aside from the sharpening bit but! Me and Addi out lamping the other night were having problems with keeping prey in the beam. How about a head mounted light unit for eagles with a back pack mounted power unit. PLEASE nobody take this idea seriously.

[Barbary Boy]

why not take it seriously its got great potential!

[Kanati]

A little aside from the sharpening bit but! Me and Addi out lamping the other night were having problems with keeping prey in the beam. How about a head mounted light unit for eagles with a back pack mounted power unit. PLEASE nobody take this idea seriously.


Thats a good one! between us we will kit out a bird with more equipment then inspector gadget ! nothing will be safe from this predator! :cool:

[HunterPaul]

poison tips ...dont be ridiculous ...if you then feed the bird the rabbit would it not poison the poor bird...then youd have to carry an anti venom...and before you knew where you were youd look like a chemist when out hunting.... maybe you could invent spinning razors onto the sides of the birds legs then as well as damaging the rabbit beyond escape it would cut through deep cover as the bird flew along leaving a neatly mowed track for you to follow ...then a nice bloodbath at the end of it... i like the lamp idea though and think you should patent it.... ferugi kruger eat your heart out....
great idea

[Kanati]

poison tips ...dont be ridiculous ...if you then feed the bird the rabbit would it not poison the poor bird...then youd have to carry an anti venom...and before you knew where you were youd look like a chemist when out hunting.... maybe you could invent spinning razors onto the sides of the birds legs then as well as damaging the rabbit beyond escape it would cut through deep cover as the bird flew along leaving a neatly mowed track for you to follow ...then a nice bloodbath at the end of it... i like the lamp idea though and think you should patent it.... ferugi kruger eat your heart out....
great idea


No No No...I said non lethal poison...it just knockes the bunnie out for a bit while you catch it...its perfectly safe for the hawk to eat!...and Spinning razors! thats just stupid...whos going to try that! If you are going to come up with ideas make them sencible ones HunterPaul! :wink:

[Barbary Boy]

wot about chain mail leg warmers for our birds?good protection against squiggles as well?

[HunterPaul]

spinning razors is not a sensible idea...ha...remember the film grease....well like the ones one the car that cut into greased lightnings body work....not too stupid now is it...good enough for travolta..... a non lethal poison ...the only one known in england is my mas cooking.... but that is only non lethal on a full grown man...any less would be dead as a doornail....

[Kanati]

wot about chain mail leg warmers for our birds?good protection against squiggles as well?

I feel chainmail would be too heavy for a bird to carry...maybe some kind of teflon armour would be better?

HunterPaul...the spinning blades on the car were only spinning because they were on wheels...for the bird to achieve this they would have to have some kind of motor and this again would be too much weight to carry...Sorry!

[HunterPaul]

surely this depends on the fitness of the bird.... and maybe the motir could be attached to specially made wing sleeves ...this would then give them the extra propulsion required to carry the chain mail and razors and possibly a flick knife...with a poison tip if you insist.... and besides your just putting up obsticles

[Musket]

What kind of glove would you have to use?

[Hells99]

You could always equip the bird with a specially engineered AK47 so as their wings beat, they fire rounds:yawinkle:

[Barbary Boy]

i feel sorry for "crash" bet he regrets posting what is basically an inovative idea,

[MattSpar]

I think Crash should, perhaps, have held on to this one till April 1st.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Just been out lamping with the Golden. It made me think, got the best one back pack mounted compressed air jet affair! How many times has your bird been beaten to cover by a whisker. No longer my friends, as it closes press the remote whap bunny hare whatever sorted. Now if i can just convince those nice people at ACME.

[HunterPaul]

fantastic thread and i have pmsl...

[OutFlying]

I've now cancelled the sidewinders......................:rolleyes: , just have to go back to the tried and trusted methods

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

No, No Im realy enjoying this one. What about a reflective suit to emulate a cloaking device. Star Trek or what!

[HunterPaul]

or a little real tree jumper so it cant be seen and some real tree anklets...

[IAmTheWeasel]

PMSL!!! This thread is great! I needed a good laugh before my hols.
Cheers,
Weasel

[HunterPaul]

what about arming the poor ferrets...they get the **** knocked outa em...

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

what about arming the poor ferrets...they get the **** knocked outa em...
Dont need arming just some kevlar and body armour! PLEASE somebody whos good on photo shop do some mock ups! Hehehehehe.

[Pitbull]

what about arming the poor ferrets...they get the **** knocked outa em...

cross an armadillo and a ferret hehehehehe:rolleyes: :lol:

[HunterPaul]

cross an armadillo and a ferret hehehehehe:rolleyes: :lol:
great idea a hybrid ferret ferredillo or armadillet... :supz:

[Kanati]

great idea a hybrid ferret ferredillo or armadillet... :supz:

the ferrets could do with some thermal goggles to aid in the rabbit detection...its dark down them holes! also a mounted thermal camera showing the falconer on a portable handset whats going on... and also showing the bird on head up display so it can start its stoop just before the rabbit comes flying out of the hole...give him a head start!

[HunterPaul]

is there anyway you could breed these into the ferret by crossing it with more animals ....

[Kanati]

is there anyway you could breed these into the ferret by crossing it with more animals ....
what like breed the ferret with a pit viper... for the thermal image...?

[HunterPaul]

what like breed the ferret with a pit viper... for the thermal image...?
absolutely.... what else....come on amuse me...

[Pitbull]

ferret wi the HH that way when it flushes it can go straight into a slip

[Kanati]

would also be useful if you could somehow cross the ferret with a shark for the electro receptors on the nose...it would detect the bunnies before it could see them...then let the thermal image take over once its in sight

[Pitbull]

ferret wi the HH that way when it flushes it can go straight into a slip

go down to your local butchers for a sperm donation and the thing can butcher it for you also

[HunterPaul]

an armour plated winged ferret that can butcher its kill up and see in the dark....you set of frankenstein ******s...sounds great...where can i buy one....

[Pitbull]

honeybrooks hehehehehe;)

[HunterPaul]

pmsl.....

[Crash]

"CRASH"have you given any thought to a tungsten steel razor sharp beak sheath? i may be interested in one of those?
Actually I made two sets of Tips, one was tungsten and the other is ceramic.

[Crash]

Sounds like your bird is armed and extremely dangerous!!!
Yes in fact it's like humans fighting with brass knuckles. I must admit that when she clamps down on my glove it smarts a bit.

[Crash]

If I were you id look very closely into the law that governs the banning of cock fighting spurs. As you may find if memory serves me correctly that this set up would be illegal.
If I were to pit RTs against one another for sport then maybe you would have a point.

[Crash]

What kind of glove would you have to use?
A very good point, no pun intended, as when she clamps down, it can pierce thin leather. I use a rather heavy leather glove which is almost impervious to them but not completely.

[Crash]

Well, I guess from the poll results so far that I am nuts!! Wouldn't be the first time. I was going to attach some pics but I think I'll wait on this one. I appreciate everyones input up to this point...looks like it might save me some $$.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

If I were to pit RTs against one another for sport then maybe you would have a point.
No the point i meant too make was the wording of the law. I think youll find that it is ilegal to actually fit anything to an animal for one animal to directly injure another.

[Crash]

No the point i meant too make was the wording of the law. I think youll find that it is ilegal to actually fit anything to an animal for one animal to directly injure another.
Hello K,
Maybe there’s a law against using such things in the UK but I called the local conservation department and they are not aware of any rulings that would prevent the usage of these tips on raptors. Hunting at night, using lamps or not, is illegal in this state. Rules apparently vary from one country to another.
Thanks for your input.

[Crash]

id love to see some pics



Andy........
Hello Andy,
I'll attach some pics soon. There are reasons why I didn't attach pictures right away...patent reasons.

[Crash]

any pics?
Hello BB,
I'll attach some pics soon. There are reasons why I didn't attach pictures right away...patent reasons.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Only in the good old US of A.

[StormRider]

I caught my sisters rotweiler shagging me dads ferret once. Now we've got one hell of a killing machine called a Ferriweiler that brings down Harpy Eagles for fun. Ill send some pics shortly. Honest lads.

[StormRider]

im thinking of breeding them now to supply to the americans for use in Iraq.