What is ur views on this??

[Tr1gger]

I looked at the Legue against cruel sports and found this on falconry

"What about falconry?
The League believes that most of the public are unaware that falconry involves the use of birds of prey to kill other birds and animals, as usually they only see displays at country shows where the birds are flown at 'lures' rather than live prey. The League has major concerns about the display of captive birds of prey at schools, country shows and game fairs, where the birds are tethered all day, often in the blazing sun and in close proximity to bustling crowds. The League believes that the bloodsport of falconry should be outlawed immediately. No further licences should be issued and where possible all birds of prey should be rehabilitated and released back into the wild in their country of origin. "

I was just wondering wat ppl thought of this??

[BFC 007]

******** to em

[ChakChek]

its the same with the other things they rant on about...if they actaully had a clue or some real facts about it then they would know its not a blood sport!

surely falconry is the most kinda normal way to catch animals anyway, seeing as its what would happen if the bird wasnt trained?

****ing dinlo's! that ****es me of so much

[Tr1gger]

I love the part about Blazing sun. Were in Britain for ****s sake. "The legue believes that u should listen to us as wer right". It starts off half nice then plumits into dimay why dont they get it over with and ban all pointy and sharp things so we dont hurt ourselfs?

[Tr1gger]

its the same with the other things they rant on about...if they actaully had a clue or some real facts about it then they would know its not a blood sport!

surely falconry is the most kinda normal way to catch animals anyway, seeing as its what would happen if the bird wasnt trained?

****ing dinlo's! that ****es me of so much

Exactly they think the birds should be realsed so they can go and kill anyway wats the bloody point

[Sean]

in the blazing sun lol?!?!?! birds love it! they need it! *** me what *****s
i wouldnt have even went on their site and gave them the hits

[GM090158]

Not suprised there was a similar thing on the PETA web site a few months ago. They will pick on anything they see fit. The Fox Hunting fraternity are not helping with their actions.:evil:

[Tr1gger]

I think we should go on a fox hunting forum and let them hav a peice of our minds. See what they hav to say for themselfs

[MattSpar]

******** to em

A word of caution here. Of course, those are the sentiments of us all, but the days when we could merely shrug our shoulders and say that, are long gone.
The League are a force to be reckoned with.

[FlameHairedFalconer]

The mere fact that they refer to licences being issued, when NO licences have been issued in the UK with regards to falconry for over 25 years just shows their level of ignorance.

That they then compound this by suggesting that other countries would WANT all our falconry birds back or it would even be possible shows what a complete bunch of morons they actually are.

But I am sure they cant be told, so they must be right! I'm off to release my hawks, burn all my leather gear and my silver fox fur coat boo hoo the poor little amnials boo hoo! ;)

FHF

[GM090158]

I think we should go on a fox hunting forum and let them hav a peice of our minds. See what they hav to say for themselfs

Good idea I will try and find one!!

[Tr1gger]

When u do post the site on a new thread!

[ChakChek]

I think we should go on a fox hunting forum and let them hav a peice of our minds. See what they hav to say for themselfs

here here

im all for fox hunting, hell i my family still go coursing, but the using BOP is just shear stupidity!

i have to put up with all this anti **** at college from the people on the bunny hugging course and it winds me up like nothing else! me and zane (NGuruve) watched a video about anit fox hunting in the college library a fe weeks back and most of it was asing people their opinions...guess where they were when being asked...IN SODDING LONDON?!!!!! i mean, it really doesnt make sense! least of all saying falconry is cruel! its more natural than fox hunting and hare coursing! its bloody ****if nasfbhasdfvAFADadf RAAAAAA!!!

im done:x

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

When is the open season on LACS members anyway as they think its year round with us

[ChakChek]

When is the open season on LACS members anyway as they think its year round with us

hahaha

maybe there is some loop hole that says they can be flushed by dogs and hunted with eagles :wink:

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

hahaha

maybe there is some loop hole that says they can be flushed by dogs and hunted with eagles :wink:
Now there I can help you my old boy, as I fly a Golden. Heheheheh, Sorry youve got me thinking about it.

[GM090158]

Just been trying to find a fox hunting forum to have my say on but have found nothing yet! It is interesting going onto the Countryside Alliance site and they have a list of campaigns of which Hunting, Shooting and Angling are shown. Strangely there is nothing I could find on the campaign for Falconry!!

[ChakChek]

Now there I can help you my old boy, as I fly a Golden. Heheheheh, Sorry youve got me thinking about it.

can see them now, running around like bunnies in the headlights

oh the fun, and no doubt a satisfying days sport.

PEST CONTROL TO THE MAX:supz:

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Thats because they dont understand what we do or realy care.

[GM090158]

Thats because they dont understand what we do or realy care.

Isnt that the truth!!:evil:

[Sparrow Hawker]

Why is it antis always like to try and find a negative side to things!!! What about the good falconry has done for birds of prey in the wild. The knowledge gained on certain species and the benefits of captive breeding and re-introducing species back into the wild that are under threat!

HH

[ChakChek]

i like the bit about releasing captive birds into the wild in the country of origin

because thats not gunna cause problems :wink:

it makes me laugh the way they think they can solve matters they object to by just do something that seems simple which infact would be a very bad idea and then carry on finding ohter things to mess with

[Tr1gger]

Then they start complaining because it didnt work and blame sombody else :lol:

[ChakChek]

Then they start complaining because it didnt work and blame sombody else :lol:

precisly!

its pure and utter ****

[HunterPaul]

we are involved in a blood sport... we take part in it in a very unnatural way...how many antis have a pathway made of concrete leading up to their doorways ...so they dont get mud on their carpets...if all the pathways in all the gardens in this country were turned bafck into their NATURAL state..the wild life and insects it would benefit would be astounding...then add to this the roads and shopping malls...then of course its not natural to keep sheep and cows etc closed up ...but we wouldnt need them because wed all be veggies...so wed have to get rid to provide enough land to grow the veggies on...oooh lets get back to the dark ages...cos this is where we will be if the anti brigade get their way... what about cats and dogs...thats not natural...and when i talk about selective breeding im not talking about labs and things...im talking about original selective breeding when we put exceptionally placid wild dogs together to breed out their natural aggression...so when we gat back their and we are all living naturally in sack cloth...how do we protect ourselves from predators...cos surely we wont be able to harm an animal.... they are all ******s who havent anything else in their crappy little lives but to tell others how they should live theirs...killing for food and protection is the most natural thing for any carniverous or omniverous animal.... we fall into that category....it is unnatural to spend your lives trying to destroy my natural right as an animal....to provide my own food...if I find this entertaining or intriguing in some way..then so be it... are they gonna somehow try to ban me thinking a certain way..... I had a private conversation with another member on this forum...and what we need to do as a whole is somehow try to put something back into the countryside ...then we will have more to say to these people other than ******...

[ChakChek]

i agree with the last bit you said paul about putting somehting back therefore having more to say to the prats.

its pretty cool studying countryside management aswell as having worked for the wildlife trust and RSPB because that wayi can say i have more brain on certain matters.

even so, if you live and work some how in the countryside then surely that gives us all the upper hand when it comes to arguing our points?

[Blaze]

You are a Animal!.......Having a **** is your own business.....What i thought was bad reception....Was you thrusting:shock: hp

[Tr1gger]

we are involved in a blood sport... we take part in it in a very unnatural way...how many antis have a pathway made of concrete leading up to their doorways ...so they dont get mud on their carpets...if all the pathways in all the gardens in this country were turned bafck into their NATURAL state..the wild life and insects it would benefit would be astounding...then add to this the roads and shopping malls...then of course its not natural to keep sheep and cows etc closed up ...but we wouldnt need them because wed all be veggies...so wed have to get rid to provide enough land to grow the veggies on...oooh lets get back to the dark ages...cos this is where we will be if the anti brigade get their way... what about cats and dogs...thats not natural...and when i talk about selective breeding im not talking about labs and things...im talking about original selective breeding when we put exceptionally placid wild dogs together to breed out their natural aggression...so when we gat back their and we are all living naturally in sack cloth...how do we protect ourselves from predators...cos surely we wont be able to harm an animal.... they are all ******s who havent anything else in their crappy little lives but to tell others how they should live theirs...killing for food and protection is the most natural thing for any carniverous or omniverous animal.... we fall into that category....it is unnatural to spend your lives trying to destroy my natural right as an animal....to provide my own food...if I find this entertaining or intriguing in some way..then so be it... are they gonna somehow try to ban me thinking a certain way..... I had a private conversation with another member on this forum...and what we need to do as a whole is somehow try to put something back into the countryside ...then we will have more to say to these people other than ******...

:supz: Bang on m8

[HunterPaul]

the problem is...living and working in the countryside in some manner usually means the despatching of animals in one manner or other....you nor I will ever be able to convince these people it is righht.... a girl living in my road asked if id been shooting the foxes on the back field...she had seen one with a dragging leg and naturally assumed that i would be the only person cruel enough to have caused this...she didnt think of the cars that went by out front of course...her and her husband being the owners of two...any way I offered to shoot it and put it out of its misery....no way she exclaimed...how could you...or words to that effect....two days later she informed me she was getting chicken carcasses from the butchers to feed it....three weeks later she found the poor thing dead in the back garden....nature would have taken care of the job sooner had she left it alone...I would have put the poor thing out of its misery at first sighting...and could have squeeked it in in minutes ...bang job done...but im the cruel one....dont you just love the way these people think....

[HunterPaul]

You are a Animal!.......Having a **** is your own business.....What i thought was bad reception....Was you thrusting:shock: hp
alright blaze you win...your the handsomest with the biggest muscles I bow to your superiority...say no more....

[ChakChek]

the problem is...living and working in the countryside in some manner usually means the despatching of animals in one manner or other....you nor I will ever be able to convince these people it is righht.... a girl living in my road asked if id been shooting the foxes on the back field...she had seen one with a dragging leg and naturally assumed that i would be the only person cruel enough to have caused this...she didnt think of the cars that went by out front of course...her and her husband being the owners of two...any way I offered to shoot it and put it out of its misery....no way she exclaimed...how could you...or words to that effect....two days later she informed me she was getting chicken carcasses from the butchers to feed it....three weeks later she found the poor thing dead in the back garden....nature would have taken care of the job sooner had she left it alone...I would have put the poor thing out of its misery at first sighting...and could have squeeked it in in minutes ...bang job done...but im the cruel one....dont you just love the way these people think....

i cant get my head round their way of thinking, i really cant. im not usually one for trying ot think of how others see things like this, but with the whole anti EVERYTHING campaignes at the moment iv felt that i should try to...but could it figure it out? could i ****!

i had the same problem as you but when i was shooting rabbits on a race horse farm a few summers ago...i was walking back through the woods that belong tot the owner with my bunnies, around 15 of them or so, and an old couple were standing by the gate at the very top watching some bunnies in on the raodside....you should have seen the looks on their faces and the words they used ot ask me what i was up to! jesus, i mean some of the language would have made your nose bleed!

when i explaned to them basically the whole of rabbit ecology and them being pests, the amount they breed and the fact they are not native....they called me a lying yob and walked off

ignorance is ther problem here....people seeing some animal they liek the looks off and when they get told the facts they decide not to listen because apprently they know better. this goes with things such as falconry...try telling them its as much about preserving the history of it aswell the whole hunting for food...

[Blaze]

the problem is...living and working in the countryside in some manner usually means the despatching of animals in one manner or other....you nor I will ever be able to convince these people it is righht.... a girl living in my road asked if id been shooting the foxes on the back field...she had seen one with a dragging leg and naturally assumed that i would be the only person cruel enough to have caused this...she didnt think of the cars that went by out front of course...her and her husband being the owners of two...any way I offered to shoot it and put it out of its misery....no way she exclaimed...how could you...or words to that effect....two days later she informed me she was getting chicken carcasses from the butchers to feed it....three weeks later she found the poor thing dead in the back garden....nature would have taken care of the job sooner had she left it alone...I would have put the poor thing out of its misery at first sighting...and could have squeeked it in in minutes ...bang job done...but im the cruel one....dont you just love the way these people think....
I know exactly what you mean!.....Whats wrong with people....Its alright for 2 blokes to get married....But to do something thats in our blood a way of life for us things that has been done for thousands....What is the world coming to!.....

[HunterPaul]

try explaining to them about the evils of the grey squirrel...I swear if you murdered someone and had a fluffy tail youd get away with it.... poor rats get the brunt of it ...tons get killed and nobody gives a damn ...why...thyere not cute...what kind of a world full of antis only defend you if your cute... even michael jackson couldnt make rats popular(Ben).... the fox only gets the defence it gets because it looks like fido sitting in front of the fire...but ive seen people change their minds when they start to destroy their prize begonias or dig up their lawn...not the hardened antis of course but they are beyond all help...i mean these are the kind of people that release mink into the countryside.... very noble....

[ChakChek]

hahaha yeah the mink i totally forgot about that!

they released **** loads down my way and then started ranting on about people trying to kill them because they were eating god knows how many duck eggs and getting into fish stocks and all sorts!

the idiots even try to get protection for them aswell!

i like the way a friend of the family "educated" a bunch of antis with a groups of his mates...waited in some bushes at te start of a hunt they followed then when the antis where down kicking horses and dogs...they taught them a lesson....using big **** off sticks

thats another thing i don get, the hardcore antis atacking the animals when they are trying to save a pest? WTF?!

the mind boggles

aslo with the squirel, whisly i was working for the rspb i had to sit in the info hut all day (very boring) and there was ab ird table next to it with bird feed and i was told by the reserve manager to make sure they tree rats didnt get on there.. i was told of one woman inparticular who had to be asked to leave the reserve when one warden told her that they cull the deer and rabbits because she went nuts and tried to give him a beating...so i made a sign saying "dont encourage the squirells bla bla bla"...as soon as my back was turned some old BINT pulled the sign down and poured a bunch of friggin nuts on to the table!

[HunterPaul]

they live in a cock eyed world mate ..and trying to get into their heads will drive you insane.... I enjoy hunting...i enjoy killing ...but it is not as simple as that and I probably could not explain it ...I like boxing and physical sports that involve one person trying to hurt another person...i do not find these violent sports as they are controlled and when they become uncontrolled they get stopped....violence is uncontrolled...I personally think it is a natural thing for man to find a way to get rid of his latent natural aggresion that at some point in our distant past we needed to survive.... my hunting and killing and boxing etc stop me becoming a yob.... I admit this and have found a way to control it...what excuse does some thoughtless anti have for the way they act....

[NGuruve]

i think that its fine the public should find out about really falconry and then thy will see that its not a bloodsport and they wont have to listen to those jerks and make up there own mind!!

[HunterPaul]

i think that its fine the public should find out about really falconry and then thy will see that its not a bloodsport and they wont have to listen to those jerks and make up there own mind!!
but it is a bloodsport....

[Blaze]

Cos they all were dropped on their heads......When they were babys!

[ChakChek]

they dont need any excuse because they know best....dont they? HA

i just think its pretty encouraging to know that is still a generation who will be carrying on doing what we do when they get older.

i mean, im a few months short of being 20 so im pretty young still, but i know my stuff, im not stupid, when it comes to rural issues and the likes. I have been raised within the rural community and taught the old ways of hunting and poaching by my old man. i was also shown how how certain animals are pests and why some arent meant to be around.

this said, i was given my own choice on the issue from the moment i was told about it as a kid. i was free to make up my own mind whether it is right or wrong.

if i could see how these matters where a problem from a young age, it makes its just harder to try and figure out their thinking

[HunterPaul]

I have a ten yr old daughter who lives seperately from me...we have to sneak out and keep our hunting excursions a secret ...she has been in trouble at school when she has defended hunting to the simple minded teachers who in my opinion should not be preaching anti hunting veiws... told that her opinions may upset the other kids...when it was them who were talking negative in the first place about hunting...as you can imagine my offspring have no compunction about expressing their views...her mother is a veggie... among other things that i would get thrown off the forum for saying.... she ...my daughter has made up her own mind on hunting and when she no longer has to answer to her mother will no doubt be applying fior her fire arms certificate ...another generation started in what i would consider a sensible and informed manner...she has the utmost respect for the countryside and its rules ....

[Tr1gger]

GD another generation to carry on our traditions

[ChakChek]

im pretty certain aswell that it wont be the last.

at the end of the day, the countryside is where we live and we have the duty to keep it in check. i know for one that no good for nothing anto knobber and suit wearing labour cock isnt going to stop me fromdoing what iv done and many before me have done to safe guard the future of our heritage and the counteyside as a whole

[JFSeaman]

A story was recently related to me about an anti that came on a falconry hunting day.

As he always does the falconer asked each attendant of the falconry day what brought them to want to go on a hunting day. Most gave the usual, love birds, etc.. The anti said "I'm an anti, but I make up my own mind. I can't have informed opinion on being anti falconry until I've experienced it."

At the end of the day the anti told the falconer that she will be supporting falconry. The other anti's who don't come see it for them selves don't know, the birds miss most of the time, its a fair fight, it's natural and it's beautiful.

The anti's that don't come see it just don't know.

We're not in it to kill, kill, kill. We're in it to see beautiful dramatic flights from our raptors. The killing of the prey has to happen sometimes.

But discussing it here is preaching to the chior.

We can't make them change, you can point out all the falocies of their anti arguments they still won't change.

We can only offer them the oppertunity to learn.

Good hawking.

[Starsky]

http://www.landfood.ubc.ca/animalwelfare/2002_classpres/sara/conflicts_over_falconry.html

[FlameHairedFalconer]

I have a ten yr old daughter who lives seperately from me...we have to sneak out and keep our hunting excursions a secret ...she has been in trouble at school when she has defended hunting to the simple minded teachers who in my opinion should not be preaching anti hunting veiws...

Paul this should not just be your opinion - it is totally wrong of any teacher to attempt to impose their personal values on these sorts of issues on young children. Their job is to present a balanced point of view and allow impressionable young minds to form their own opinions. I am utterly appalled that they did not use this as an opportunity for a learning experience, rather than sweep it under the carpet because it doesnt fit in with their disney view of nature (or whatever - could mention hairy liberals but I wont - oops!)

I feel that I have argued against anti feeling most of my adult life, more so because I am a woman who hunts and that seems to be even more of a taboo (although it does wrong foot some on occasion). What I tend to find is that most normal human beings, to whom hunting is last on their list of worries, view falconry in a different light. Not that it is more 'natural' but almost the 'magic' of being able to train a wild thing grabs their imagination. Most would not wish to see this unusual and ancient skill lost.

To be honest I cant remember the last time I had an argument with an anti, which probably has something to do with living in a rural area for the last 3 years. However I have my suspicions about my companies new development director....could be a good subject for the office xmas party (my boss is very pro hunting) ;)

FHF

[Tim Laycock]

The mere fact that they refer to licences being issued, when NO licences have been issued in the UK with regards to falconry for over 25 years just shows their level of ignorance.

This is not correct!
Licences were commonly issued up until 1988, They are still issued now to those that persist

The LACS have been making the same noises since those days :roll:

Nobody realy wants to know!

It will take some serious shift of the earth to turn public opinion against falconry!

[HunterPaul]

i did take the bird in and the ferrets at one point and did a very educational talk on the bird and the hunting and how i go about itafter this situation arose...and took the pe teacher out for a days hawking...unfortunately this was a man....fortunately he had a brilliant time and i saw him last week and he wiuld like another day out soon... got molly lots of brownie points...I was a bit dissappointed when i went in with the bird that the teachers were a little backward with their anti view points...as I would have taken great pleasure in putting them right....they all seem fascinated by the bird though and the ferrets always win hearts.....

[ChakChek]

i once have a talk to my year when i was at school about the issue. this is going back...i dunno...best part pf 10 years ago now.

i took in all my ferreting stuff and everything. i felt liek the cats pyjamas.

[FlameHairedFalconer]

This is not correct!
Licences were commonly issued up until 1988, They are still issued now to those that persist


I stand corrected

[Pogue Mahone]

sad to say it still is a blood sport,but one on one,50/50 and the birds are trained to a standard that they would fly and catch as if they were in the wild and we give grace,fox hunts get the terriers in,let live for another day i say

[Osiris]

:roll: :rolleyes: twats

i love the part about "killing other birds and animals"...

What do they think they eat in the wild! - Bird seeds!

[Tr1gger]

:lol: wouldnt surprise we if they did. They really dont hav a clue

Has anybody found a fox hunting forum??

[Maxwell]

Found one!

http://www.iwbeagles.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi

[Renton]

Found one!

http://www.iwbeagles.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi

Take a look at this.

http://www.hunting-directory.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Welcome;action=display;num=11234210 52

[Renton]

Just found this on the Northamptonshire hsa website in th archive section.

http://www.northantshsa.org.uk/

"24th September 2005
It appears that the law has been drafted to allow flushing a fox with a full pack of hounds from a cover. This is allowed if the hunt flushes the fox onto a bird of prey, and there are no mounted field holding up on the side where the bird waits.This of course replicates the situation in our British Countrside. We often spot Kestrels flying over the fields, a fox dangling from their claws.

Furthermore, if anyone should take a step onto private land, to obtain video evidence of a hunt breaking the law, they are liable to arrest. Any evidence that is obtained of violations would not be used. Considering how difficult it would be to gain evidence from a distance, this seems like the perfect get-out, should a hunt choose to break the law. Was there a bird of prey sitting on that branch a mile distant? These views were offered by Northamptonshire police, and it seems that both the lawmakers who included such loopholes, and the police are keen to keep the status quo in the countryside. What has changed?"


Why bother with an eagle? All you need is a kestrel!!!