Moving up a level

[Kevin Massey]

someone start a new thread please im getting bored?

just to kick it off,

when does every one think its time to move up a level...or even progress
onto something else?

lots say a starters bird should be a redtail or a harris....and that a spar...falcon is not a starters bird...

so when do you move onto something new?

kev

[Barbary Boy]

ive never said a h/hawk or red tail was a beginers bird. a sparrow hawk certainly isnt but nothing wrong in starting off with a falcon in my book? it very much depends on how well a newbie gets on in my opinion, some people are naturals others will struggle forever, move on when you feel ready i say and dont let the establishment tell you otherwise!

[OutFlying]

If your enjoying what you do - is there a need to move on ?

[Flying High]

OK go thread but before we it gets started because it should it's a good thread.
I would just like to say. this is going to **** of SO many falconers. As a society we have become VERY lazy. most falconers and i mean all most ALL falconers now have taken the lazy route. what i mean by this is, 40, 50 100 years ago what did people start of with, Harris Hawks red tails i DON'T think so. it was Common buzzards, Falcons, Eagles, Sparrow Hawks, Kestrels and behold GOS hawks. The only reason we have these so called beginners birds is because we are not willing to put the time and effort into these types of bird. What did Mr Glasier start will, Harris Hawk a red tail i don't think so and lot of falconers rate him as one of the best falconers that have been. i have just read an article about a 8 year old boy out in Mongolia training his first golden eagle that is unheard of over here but but at on time it would have happened. i have a friend in Poland who's first ever bird was a gos hawk and it flys better then any gos i have seen over here. I know it has nothing to do with the thread as such but i would like to point out that if most falconers where to get the finger out and spend the time with there bird then there would not be any so called starters birds.

[IAmTheWeasel]

Give it a few years at least....Think about what happens to the bird when you are done with it. Where does it go? Besides, many falconers use Harris's or RT's for life as they are so much fun. Too many folks can't wait to get away from their first bird to get rid of the "newbie" look when they don't realise that the reason those birds are recommended for the novice is that they are so well rounded.

[Kevin Massey]

If your enjoying what you do - is there a need to move on ?

good point jim...if it aint broke dont fix it.... but what if you want to multi-task :-)

[OutFlying]

Multi -tasking - like it ;)

[Tr1gger]

I dont think that these birds are newbie birds. Ok there might be easier to train than say a spar or gos but expert falconers (and i aint saying im one cause im far from it) fly harri's and retails as well. A harris/redtail is as suited as a spar or gos to an experienced falconer

[Kevin Massey]

to take on another venture...for me would mostly be a case of being able to do both...not instead off....

and that includes taking on a dog

kev

[Flying High]

I dont think that these birds are newbie birds. Ok there might be easier to train than say a spar or gos but expert falconers (and i aint saying im one cause im far from it) fly harri's and retails as well. A harris/redtail is as suited as a spar or gos to an experienced falconer

Was that aimed at my post. sorry had to ask, not to sure if it was

[Barbary Boy]

OK go thread but before we it gets started because it should it's a good thread.
I would just like to say. this is going to **** of SO many falconers. As a society we have become VERY lazy. most falconers and i mean all most ALL falconers now have taken the lazy route. what i mean by this is, 40, 50 100 years ago what did people start of with, Harris Hawks red tails i DON'T think so. it was Common buzzards, Falcons, Eagles, Sparrow Hawks, Kestrels and behold GOS hawks. The only reason we have these so called beginners birds is because we are not willing to put the time and effort into these types of bird. What did Mr Glasier start will, Harris Hawk a red tail i don't think so and lot of falconers rate him as one of the best falconers that have been. i have just read an article about a 8 year old boy out in Mongolia training his first golden eagle that is unheard of over here but but at on time it would have happened. i have a friend in Poland who's first ever bird was a gos hawk and it flys better then any gos i have seen over here. I know it has nothing to do with the thread as such but i would like to point out that if most falconers where to get the finger out and spend the time with there bird then there would not be any so called starters birds.
hear hear. i find that really keen well read well prepaired beginers are so enthusiastic that their 1st birds are often very well trained and very well looked after. its often the more established and experienced falconers who are a bit more blas'e about things myself included probably. i think there is just such a huge number of people who have done a course and or started with a h/hawk that they cant get their head around the fact that its ok to start a different way, falconry today really exasperates me i think its all gone to far to do anything about it and when its all over the thousands of h/hawkers will slink off back to their lurchers ferrets terriers and air guns none the worse for their breif excursion into falconry, leaving us the old die hards crying into our hawking bags wishing there had never been any centers or public displays?

[Kevin Massey]

i am not saying harris are a beginners bird here...its a general remark...

but look what happened when moses just went out and got a falcon ???...some idiot sold it him....i-m-o it was'nt all his fault

kev

[OutFlying]

Kev,
A lot depends on time, I've only time to do justice to one hawk - no time to even train the dog fully until the season ends.

Don't know how people go on flying more than one hawk whilst having to work.

Jim.

[Kevin Massey]

someone start a new thread please im getting bored?


ok for ya ? :-)

[Kevin Massey]

Don't know how people go on flying more than one hawk whilst having to work.Jim.


spot on !!!

[Tr1gger]

Was that aimed at my post. sorry had to ask, not to sure if it was

Hell no m8 :) just my opinion

[OutFlying]

wishing there had never been any centers or public displays?

I said the same before, but was told I was wrong ;)

[Flying High]

hear hear. i find that really keen well read well prepared beginers are so enthusiastic that their 1st birds are often very well trained and very well looked after. its often the more established and experienced falconers who are a bit more blas'e about things myself included probably. i think there is just such a huge number of people who have done a course and or started with a h/hawk that they cant get their head around the fact that its ok to start a different way, falconry today really exasperates me i think its all gone to far to do anything about it and when its all over the thousands of h/hawkers will slink off back to their lurchers ferrets terriers and air guns none the worse for their breif excursion into falconry, leaving us the old die hards crying into our hawking bags wishing there had never been any centers or public displays?

I so agree. i will admit that i tripped up a few months ago. for the last 2 years i have work with some REALLY SH#T birds and a real D### h### and i got very bla zay, when it came to setting up something myself i took that way of thinking with me. i bought a few birds and two being Red Tail and with out thinking i went a head a did what i done for the lat two years. Forgetting the years of training i had before i FU##ED up a red tail. it was not until i really gave myself a kick up the arss and got my finger out and started doing falconry the way i believe it should be done (spend A LOT of time with your bird) that i got results. lucky enough the second red came out good and the first is slowly getting better. it still means a lot more work. but it show if everyone was to put the time and effort in to there bird the sameas people did many years ago then there would not be any so called beginners birds.
One thing i would say that if it was not for centers then alot of the public would still not be educatied. When i do my demos i make VERY sure that people do not go away thinking that anyone can do falconry.

[Bones]

i am not saying harris are a beginners bird
Thank god for that cause im afraid if a beginner had this MHH i have i think it would put many a beginner of for life ,either that or take their face of as he's the most aggresive MHH i have ever seen and i think romeo will vouch for it but a superb hunter out in the field as some of my post prove
besides think it was a begginer who lost the bird or even let him go due to his bad traits got to be seen to be believed but wouldn't part with him as i think ive cracked his temprament and learnt how to work round it to full effect

[Barbary Boy]

the BFC used to really frown on any of their members getting any publicity so as to discourage "staw fire" enthusiasts as they were called then, all this talk of apprenticeship schemes, LANTRA qualifications, mentors,etc etc etc its to late! there are just to many of us now and we will never all agree on anything. they are all fab ideas but have come to late. the only way forward for falconry to survive is to limit the number of falconers, license everyone currently holding a bop then start from scratch with any wannabe newbies on one of these new schemes. meanwhile some of the "proffesionals" will break their necks to make a fast buck before its to late?

[Flying High]

Hell no m8 :) just my opinion
that ok just hads to ask. had a few and i could not make my mind up

[North East Harris Hawker]

the fact of the matter is that HH's tend to suit most peoples needs.
Most of us work (its unfortunate) i work a shift so its possible that i could fly another species. But why? my girl does all i ask of her. I dont wanna pay big bucks for falcon country, i wanna nip out onto local waste land and bag me a bunny, i wanna pick her up an ounce or two overweight and still take her out without the worry of her playing up. i want performance every time i go out.
i want a Harris Hawk!

[Flying High]

the BFC used to really frown on any of their members getting any publicity so as to discourage "staw fire" enthusiasts as they were called then, all this talk of apprenticeship schemes, LANTRA qualifications, mentors,etc etc etc its to late! there are just to many of us now and we will never all agree on anything. they are all fab ideas but have come to late. the only way forward for falconry to survive is to limit the number of falconers, license everyone currently holding a bop then start from scratch with any wannabe newbies on one of these new schemes. meanwhile some of the "proffesionals" will break their necks to make a fast buck before its to late?

i agree and for me all i can see for the further is that the government will step in. as a professional falconer (for at least 8 months of the year) i will do anything to keep flying my birds. i will say that i am one of a few professional falconers who put the money mad back to my birds. Right now i am driving a VERY old van that is helled together by rust. I think that if my so professionals where to put half of the money they make in to promoting falconry to correct way then it would be a better place. Just ask Horus i am one of these falconers who take no S##T but give it. i have only had my own company for a year now but so far i have told a few people that if they where to ever take up falconry then they should be shot

[Bones]

meanwhile some of the "proffesionals" will break their necks to make a fast buck before its to late?
As will many breeders of BOP as that i think is half the trouble to why our sport will end up totally F****D to many idiots selling birds to idiots
not a dig at anyone in perticular just my oppinion ok
PAUL

[Flying High]

As will many breeders of BOP as that i think is half the trouble to why our sport will end up totally F****D to many idiots selling birds to idiots
not a dig at anyone in perticular just my oppinion ok
PAUL

Horus told someone he was going on a falconry course and all the D##k sorry i mean guy could say was that "you don't need to go on a course i will sell you a Harris" its people like that should be shot (please don't anyone go out and do that because i could be up so inciting it) its people like that was do not need and a lot more so called falconers

[Bones]

"you don't need to go on a course i will sell you a Harris"
when really this should be reading you need to go on a course then i may sell you a harris

[Flying High]

when really this should be reading you need to go on a course then i may sell you a harris

SPOT NO. that all i have to say

[Achilles]

OK go thread but before we it gets started because it should it's a good thread.
I would just like to say. this is going to **** of SO many falconers. As a society we have become VERY lazy. most falconers and i mean all most ALL falconers now have taken the lazy route. what i mean by this is, 40, 50 100 years ago what did people start of with, Harris Hawks red tails i DON'T think so. it was Common buzzards, Falcons, Eagles, Sparrow Hawks, Kestrels and behold GOS hawks. The only reason we have these so called beginners birds is because we are not willing to put the time and effort into these types of bird. What did Mr Glasier start will, Harris Hawk a red tail i don't think so and lot of falconers rate him as one of the best falconers that have been. i have just read an article about a 8 year old boy out in Mongolia training his first golden eagle that is unheard of over here but but at on time it would have happened. i have a friend in Poland who's first ever bird was a gos hawk and it flys better then any gos i have seen over here. I know it has nothing to do with the thread as such but i would like to point out that if most falconers where to get the finger out and spend the time with there bird then there would not be any so called starters birds.
Master, may I train your Eagle when you get it next year?

[Flying High]

the fact of the matter is that HH's tend to suit most peoples needs.
Most of us work (its unfortunate) i work a shift so its possible that i could fly another species. But why? my girl does all i ask of her. I dont wanna pay big bucks for falcon country, i wanna nip out onto local waste land and bag me a bunny, i wanna pick her up an ounce or two overweight and still take her out without the worry of her playing up. i want performance every time i go out.
i want a Harris Hawk!

That fine some of us are not saying you can't start with a Harris all we are saying if you put time into your bird then there is no such thing as a beginners bird, and what you are saying there i would put the to any of my birds. i have a saker flys at many weight and right now a gos as well. but at the end of the day if you want to fly a Harris then do i fly then and there are OK but they don't have to been beginners birds

[Flying High]

Master, may I train your Eagle when you get it next year?

if you really want to you have almost trained my red tail so feel free. just make sure i get to touch it when you are not there.

[Barbary Boy]

COURSES COURSES COURSES? your all obsessed by bloody courses,they've only been around recently.(i know glazier started them over35yrs ago)but they really are a modern phenomenon, i know loads of excellent falconers and none of them started from a course? there are a lot more **** ones than there are good ones so lets go back to basics people ,read read read then ask then observe then try it. courses in my opinion set newbies up to fail. they show you how easy it is to handle and fly an allready trained bop or god forbid an owl. falconry is doomed and it is all down to over commercialisation, if we had stayed a few hundred we would have gone unnoticed but now due to falconry fairs, falconry centers,falconry displays we now number thousands but are still a tiny minority and due to our high profile we are fair game for the antis.fox hunting would have largely gone unnoticed if it had been a quiet subdued affair instead of the high profile red coated tally ho identity that it had?

[Stephen]

i like to train my birds the old ways waking me bird
or is that bird waking me lol
ps lost weight since then so no fat jokes

[Barbary Boy]

thats some bird m8 its caught a large fat bloke? incredible.

[Stephen]

not get bigger than that m8

[Bones]

COURSES COURSES COURSES? your all obsessed by bloody courses,they've only been around recently. if we had stayed a few hundred we would have gone unnoticed
i can see where you are coming from mate but on the same token if most the birds we buy for the use in falconry(namely HH's) hadn't dropped to just a few hundred pounds or even less in some case's then i also think we wouldn't have so many idiots out there with birds
that way then the numbers of falconers would be a lot less then there are today
just my oppinion
PAUL

[Barbary Boy]

i can see where you are coming from mate but on the same token if most the birds we buy for the use in falconry(namely HH's) hadn't dropped to just a few hundred pounds or even less in some case's then i also think we wouldn't have so many idiots out there with birds
that way then the numbers of falconers would be a lot less then there are today
just my oppinion
PAUL
quite agree my h/hawks are £1000 each next year, cheers m8.

[Flying High]

COURSES COURSES COURSES? your all obsessed by bloody courses,they've only been around recently.(i know glazier started them over35yrs ago)but they really are a modern phenomenon, i know loads of excellent falconers and none of them started from a course? there are a lot more **** ones than there are good ones so lets go back to basics people ,read read read then ask then observe then try it. courses in my opinion set newbies up to fail. they show you how easy it is to handle and fly an already trained bop or god forbid an owl. falconry is doomed and it is all down to over commercialisation, if we had stayed a few hundred we would have gone unnoticed but now due to falconry fairs, falconry centers,falconry displays we now number thousands but are still a tiny minority and due to our high profile we are fair game for the antis.fox hunting would have largely gone unnoticed if it had been a quiet subdued affair instead of the high profile red coated tally ho identity that it had?

OK i agree. god i am agreeing with you so many times tonight.i run a company and i do run course. the only reason i run course is because when the public want to get into falconry courses are the first thing they do, (i forgot to say my course are the best in the world and they are cheep so please contact me if interested). i agree course in the hole are not that good because you can not learn everything in a course (unless you do mine). the way i learnt was by being a volunteer at a centre for a hole year before getting a job. in that year i worked 5 days a week with out holidays and i loved it and i worked harder than the Fing falconer. the only thing now a days is that most people that could take someone new under there arms don't. how many times has there been someone on this forum posting where they live and looking for help and all people can do it fog them of to some one else. i am more than willing to take as many volunteers as i can even if it means i loose out on money. In my eyes course are good as long as the company is willing to carry it on will free advise and work after words (like me, did i say i do the best course EVER. come to ME)

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

i can see where you are coming from mate but on the same token if most the birds we buy for the use in falconry(namely HH's) hadn't dropped to just a few hundred pounds or even less in some case's then i also think we wouldn't have so many idiots out there with birds
that way then the numbers of falconers would be a lot less then there are today
just my oppinion
PAUL

:prayer: :prayer: :prayer:

[Flying High]

i like to train my birds the old ways waking me bird
or is that bird waking me lol
ps lost weight since then so no fat jokes

love the pic. that happens to me aswell

[Barbary Boy]

OK i agree. god i am agreeing with you so many times tonight.i run a company and i do run course. the only reason i run course is because when the public want to get into falconry courses are the first thing they do, (i forgot to say my course are the best in the world and they are cheep so please contact me if interested). i agree course in the hole are not that good because you can not learn everything in a course (unless you do mine). the way i learnt was by being a volunteer at a centre for a hole year before getting a job. in that year i worked 5 days a week with out holidays and i loved it and i worked harder than the Fing falconer. the only thing now a days is that most people that could take someone new under there arms don't. how many times has there been someone on this forum posting where they live and looking for help and all people can do it fog them of to some one else. i am more than willing to take as many volunteers as i can even if it means i loose out on money. In my eyes course are good as long as the company is willing to carry it on will free advise and work after words (like me, did i say i do the best course EVER. come to ME)
i have taken dozens of newbies under my arm and still do, this is the way to go, i know i have been very outspoken on this before but i really beleive owl keeping as opposed to falconry is a major problem for falconry?

[Bones]

the only thing now a days is that most people that could take someone new under there arms don't. how many times has there been someone on this forum posting where they live and looking for help and all people can do it fog them of to some one else.
i took a person under my helpfull and watchfull eye after a local knob head sold him/her the bird knowing he had no knowledge on falconry or BOP but just told him to keep the bird at 1lb 4oz and he wouldn't loose it later worked out the bird hunting weight was 1lb 6-1lb 6 1/2 oz and in doing so i think i did both the bird and him a big favour he's on this forum and i shall not name him/her but if he/she reads this and want to add then they can there bird is doin fine catching and workin well now 3 seasons down the line and still comes out with me all the time learning more i think

[Coedhirion]

gosh I get grumpy with this 'beginners bird' attached to Harris and Reds.
How about beginners shouldn't have birds of their own?? They should spend a few years out with other people learning what it takes to own and fly a bird of prey ??
This means they would not be beginners, they would simply be getting their first bird!! they have the best idea on this in USA. I gues my first bird was a Kestral, my second a Peregrine so now I have gone backwards because I have the most versatile of the lot...a Harris
Down off the soap box :oops: :oops:

[Flying High]

i have taken dozens of newbies under my arm and still do, this is the way to go, i know i have been very outspoken on this before but i really beleive owl keeping as opposed to falconry is a major problem for falconry?

in my eyes owl keeping should be no different the falconry. i know most people don't hunt there owls but training and the way you look after them should be no different.
I have to meat you. if all falconers were as willing to take new falconers under there wings like you and me then this country would be a better place. i do have to say i am one of the few younger falconers who feel this way but i put it down to the person and the way he trained me

[Bones]

quite agree my h/hawks are £1000 each next year, cheers m8.
And im sure most people who are dedicated enough to the sport would still pay that kind of money for some thing they want that was reared and fed right of course lol

[Flying High]

gosh I get grumpy with this 'beginners bird' attached to Harris and Reds.
How about beginners shouldn't have birds of their own?? They should spend a few years out with other people learning what it takes to own and fly a bird of prey ??
This means they would not be beginners, they would simply be getting their first bird!! they have the best idea on this in USA. I guess my first bird was a Kestrel, my second a Peregrine so now I have gone back wards because I have the most versatile of the lot...a Harris
Down off the soap box :oops: :oops:

good man. everyone should spend time with someone and someones birds before getting there own. if not i have a rescued female Harris what they can fly. because that way they can then see was a falconer with no knowledge can do to a bird. god she would kill a few people. but she is getting better. she so loves me, anyone that looks like that they are going to hurt me beware she is watching

[Flying High]

And im sure most people who are dedicated enough to the sport would still pay that kind of money for some thing they want that was reared and fed right of course lol

i would if i knew i was getting a good bird. but not from Barbary boy, (not that i don't like you) anyone who sell manly hybrids i will not buy from unless they can prove they are PURE BREAD

[Bones]

good man. everyone should spend time with someone and someones birds before getting there own. if not i have a rescued female Harris what they can fly. because that way they can then see was a falconer with no knowledge can do to a bird. god she would kill a few people. but she is getting better. she so loves me, anyone that looks like that they are going to hurt me beware she is watching
As i have stated i have a MHH exactly the same evil little F****R and i put it down to a begginer messing it up

[Flying High]

As i have stated i have a MHH exactly the same evil little F****R and i put it down to a begginer messing it up

anyone who can Fu#K up a bird as bad as my female Harris should never be in falconer and if SycoPaff was on he would say they should be pocked in the eye. i was going to say be shot but i am afraid that i might start something of.

[Bones]

[QUOTE=Flying high]anyone who can Fu#K up a bird as bad as my female Harris should never be in falconer and if SycoPaff was on he would say they should be pocked in the eye. i was going to say be shot but i am afraid that i might start something of.[/QUOTE
sounds like the same sort of person that had some thing to do with this MHH and like you say if romeo was on he would vouch for what im saying and again shoot the ****ers kill them all and feed them back to the hawks pmsl

[Flying High]

[quote=Flying high]anyone who can Fu#K up a bird as bad as my female Harris should never be in falconer and if SycoPaff was on he would say they should be pocked in the eye. i was going to say be shot but i am afraid that i might start something of.[/QUOTE
sounds like the same sort of person that had some thing to do with this MHH and like you say if romeo was on he would vouch for what im saying and again shoot the ****ers kill them all and feed them back to the hawks pmsl

god yes it would say on so much bird food

[Barbary Boy]

i would if i knew i was getting a good bird. but not from Barbary boy, (not that i don't like you) anyone who sell manly hybrids i will not buy from unless they can prove they are PURE BREAD
i sell many manly birds but the only hybrids i breed are pere barbs and their not really hybrids as for bread try warburtons?how old are you and are you ****ed?

[Flying High]

i sell many manly birds but the only hybrids i breed are pere barbs and their not really hybrids as for bread try warburtons?how old are you and are you ****ed?

no i am not Post its just my spelling is not that grate. i am about 24 years old and have been doing falconry for 7 years. still have a lot to learn and looking forward to it. but i would say i have do and experienced a lot more in falconry than most. sorry if that sounds big head

[Barbary Boy]

no i am not Post its just my spelling is not that grate. i am about 24 years old and have been doing falconry for 7 years. still have a lot to learn and looking forward to it. but i would say i have do and experienced a lot more in falconry than most. sorry if that sounds big head
your site says you have been in it for 5 1/2 yrs do you think thats enough time and experience to be charging people for courses what have you trained what have you hunted? or are you exactly what ive been talking about? no insult intended.

[Flying High]

web site over a year old. i have trained
Tawny owls
barn owls
European eagles owl
little owls
great greys
Aharon's eagle owls
snow owls
borrowing owls
Bengal eagle owl
Merlin's eagle owls
kestrels
prairies falcons
saker's falcons
god knows how many hybrids
peregrines Scottish and forin
merins
American kestrels
lanners
gos
Harris At leats 10
coppers
sparrow hawk
golden ,as few
black eagle
bold eagle
tawny eagle
steppe eagle
white back vulture
black vultures
hooded vultures
Turkey vulture
common buzzard a few
rad tails a few

i have hunted
red tails
harries
gooses
eagles
falcons
coppers
borrowing owls

i don't think seven years in enough but i would say i was train flown, hunted and rescued more birds than most of these so called falconer and i should now i have worked with a few. when i do my courses and demos i make sure that i tell people that i don't know everything and that they should go to a few place to get a better view. i also tell them that i am always learn and i will NEVER know everything about falconry. i also tell them if i have not experienced it i can not comment on it but i would say that i have LOTS and LOTS of letters saying that i put on some of the best demos and talks and course that people ever seen. but with out seeming big headed all i do is Tell them the truth. I work very hard at my falconry always have and god willing always will. i believe in most of the traditional ways. i believe that everyone is learn and on one know everything and yes seven years is not that long but i would say i have more experience than most people who start up a center once again i have worked for a few

[Flying High]

i forgot
Barbary's

so far that what i can remember. more might come latter

[Barbary Boy]

web site over a year old. i have trained
Tawny owls
barn owls
European eagles owl
little owls
great greys
Aharon's eagle owls
snow owls
borrowing owls
Bengal eagle owl
Merlin's eagle owls
kestrels
prairies falcons
saker's falcons
god knows how many hybrids
peregrines Scottish and forin
merins
American kestrels
lanners
gos
Harris At leats 10
coppers
sparrow hawk
golden ,as few
black eagle
bold eagle
tawny eagle
steppe eagle
white back vulture
black vultures
hooded vultures
Turkey vulture
common buzzard a few
rad tails a few

i have hunted
red tails
harries
gooses
eagles
falcons
coppers
borrowing owls

i don't think seven years in enough but i would say i was train flown, hunted and rescued more birds than most of these so called falconer and i should now i have worked with a few. when i do my courses and demos i make sure that i tell people that i don't know everything and that they should go to a few place to get a better view. i also tell them that i am always learn and i will NEVER know everything about falconry. i also tell them if i have not experienced it i can not comment on it but i would say that i have LOTS and LOTS of letters saying that i put on some of the best demos and talks and course that people ever seen. but with out seeming big headed all i do is Tell them the truth. I work very hard at my falconry always have and god willing always will. i believe in most of the traditional ways. i believe that everyone is learn and on one know everything and yes seven years is not that long but i would say i have more experience than most people who start up a center once again i have worked for a few
what did you think of the coppers hawks and bold eagles where they any good?

[Flying High]

i also forgot gyrs

coppers was great VERY VERY fast feet and a great personality. for such a small bird he had big balls.

Bald eagle
i have worked with two was was a disabled bald eagle and a grumpy git
and the other would fly lovely when i got the chance the the boss of the center would not allow you to put the time and effort into it to get in to the high slandered it should have been at. but out of all of the birds i have flown and hunted the parries are my favorite of all times
Do i meat your approval now of do i have to stand on my head

[Barbary Boy]

go away!

[Flying High]

go away!

go away way and what do you mean go away.

[HunterPaul]

dont stand on your head and type ffs...I can barely understand what your writing as it is.....pmsl:twisted:

[Flying High]

i did say my spelling was not that great. but i let go give you a challenge

[HunterPaul]

its like a direct translation from japanese in parts ...it is fantastically funny...:P

[Flying High]

i am glad to please. my plan is to make people try so hard to under stand my posts that they do not realize i do not know what i am talking about. it seems to be working

[Barbary Boy]

i am glad to please. my plan is to make people try so hard to under stand my posts that they do not realize i do not know what i am talking about. it seems to be working
your doing a grand job m8

[Flying High]

its like a direct translation from japanese in parts ...it is fantastically funny...:P

i hear that you might be meeting up with Horus soon to take him out fly. he's a good bloke a wants to learn as much as he can. that good in my book. do you understand this or would you like it in English

[Flying High]

your doing a grand job m8

good good. i thought it might work

you and hunterPaul seen to put a lot of post up and talk to a lot of people. do you know if we are any further along with a forum meeting. to allow people to meet up. that way i can show you i am not a D##k head and i know what i am doing. there is also some people i would like to poke in the eye.

[Barbary Boy]

i hear that you might be meeting up with Horus soon to take him out fly. he's a good bloke a wants to learn as much as he can. that good in my book. do you understand this or would you like it in English
are we being unfair here ? are you a foreigner? or are you just a useless english tw*t?

[Flying High]

one thing i am not is English. never have been and never will be. i might just be a little thick.

[Barbary Boy]

good good. i thought it might work

you and hunterPaul seen to put a lot of post up and talk to a lot of people. do you know if we are any further along with a forum meeting. to allow people to meet up. that way i can show you i am not a D##k head and i know what i am doing. there is also some people i would like to poke in the eye.
hunter paul and i are gay lovers but thats none of your buisiness!

[Flying High]

does he know that. well each to the own. everyone has there favorite, i would have to was mine is a female but she is working tonight that is why i am on here talk to you very old and wise falconers

[Talon]

i once new two gay scottish men ...ben dover and phil mc cracken

[Flying High]

OK you might not hear it but i am laughing because i have just seen your occupation

[Barbary Boy]

ive had them?

[Talon]

what mine..?

[Flying High]

ive had them?
OK now your scaring me. some of use have work tomorrow. for me thats hunting my birds, so i am going to say goodnight and i will see you gays sorry i mean guys soon

[Barbary Boy]

OK now your scaring me. some of use have work tomorrow. for me thats hunting my birds, so i am going to say goodnight and i will see you gays sorry i mean guys soon
aym gooinge too bedd noww too soo ayle cee uoow all toomorow godnit?

[Flying High]

thats right. i never know you could speak my language. see BB you ended up with a good thread for tonight after all

[Barbary Boy]

**** oof yoo dafft twaaat.

[Flying High]

that really hurt so i am off now

[Barbary Boy]

OK now your scaring me. some of use have work tomorrow. for me thats hunting my birds, so i am going to say goodnight and i will see you gays sorry i mean guys soon
incredeably good play on words for you that m8.

[Blaze]

i once new two gay scottish men ...ben dover and phil mc cracken
Pmsl....:lol:

[Ben C]

OK go thread but before we it gets started because it should it's a good thread.
I would just like to say. this is going to **** of SO many falconers. As a society we have become VERY lazy. most falconers and i mean all most ALL falconers now have taken the lazy route. what i mean by this is, 40, 50 100 years ago what did people start of with, Harris Hawks red tails i DON'T think so.

The support network was totally different then, remember as well, it was people who could afford to keep them, not just fly them. I am sure the kings and princes didn't fly ALL their hawks............A status symbol was just as lazy then as now FH.

I know of one falconer who trained a Sparrowhawk aged 7..........how??? His dad was bloody good falconer...........that was only 20 years ago as well.



My personal point of view???? I will only move ACROSS to another area of falconry when my hawk has died.

[Achilles]

I have to meat you.

Brace yourself!!!

[Horus]

In Answer to Barbary boys elucidating comments. As a beginner who has always been fascinated and interested in bop and falconery it is only now that I have the time and resources to enter this fascinating sport as I am fortunately semi-retired. I knew of no falconers on the Isle of Wight at the time (Not coming from a countryside or field sport background) so I signed up for a course.(Having been to Bird of Prey Centres) THis was the only way I knew of learning more about falconry and what was involved. Therefore for me a course was useful for without it I think I would have been stuck!!!
However in answer to Barbary Boys other comment about being out with an experienced falconer. I have had the most fantastic luck and it all started with me happening upon this forum while surfing the net!!
THrough the forum I have been able to meet up with flying high who has been fantastic and who us taken me under his wing (Pun intended!) and I am learning new things everyday. This forum has also been very helpful with information.
As a beginner I have no intention of buying a bird until I feel I have sufficient knowledge and hands on experience. And no I did not purchase a harris hawk off the bloke who told me "You don't need a course I will sell you a Harris Hawk"

So In some Part I agree with Barbary Boy but courses sometimes are the only way to go for some of us beginners. However you must go with the right attitude. Sorry if this sounds like the sermon on the mount!!! It is just my lowly opinion for what it is worth.

[SycoPaff]

i agree fully 2 flying highs comments! mainly because i was saying the same2him in the pub a few hours be4!

but i really think falconry is going down hill in this country and it needs to be changed!!!!!!!

dont ask me how, too many ''falconers'' do not understand their birds and their needs as a living thing and that starving the little f***** will make him be nice and make him kill! when they never realise than though their own idlness (or mainly lack of knowledge) they have a bird that only flys for them because it has to!!!! 3 things that EVERY falconer needs are TIME, PATIENTS and PERCISTANCE!!!!!! without even one of these his/her falconry is doomed!

[Barbary Boy]

i agree fully 2 flying highs comments! mainly because i was saying the same2him in the pub a few hours be4!

but i really think falconry is going down hill in this country and it needs to be changed!!!!!!!

dont ask me how, too many ''falconers'' do not understand their birds and their needs as a living thing and that starving the little f***** will make him be nice and make him kill! when they never realise than though their own idlness (or mainly lack of knowledge) they have a bird that only flys for them because it has to!!!! 3 things that EVERY falconer needs are TIME, PATIENTS and PERCISTANCE!!!!!! without even one of these his/her falconry is doomed!
well said