confused

[Charlie]

I am new to this falconry thing and I am already confused. Should I be introducing a male EEO to a female or the other way round? How is it done? I have already had two different arguments.

[Stephen]

We put the male in with the female dont think it matters with owls ours where ok just make sure she is feed up first .
try perching them out together to see how they get on
hope this helps

[North East Harris Hawker]

when pairing hawks up its usually best to feed them both up and to tether them in view of each other for a few days so that they can get used to each other.
i was told that the female should be introduced to the male in the Males aviary (if this is not possible then the birds should swap homes for a couple of weeks beforehand) this preventing the female becoming teritorial and agressive towards the male.
when i paired my birds up loose i sat in there with them for a couple of hours to make sure there was no "funny business"
not entirely sure if this is the same with owls but it should be

[PeregrinesUK]

if it is the female that is causing the problems you cound try teathering her in the avairy with the male loose i i have heard this also works well however it could be dangerous

[Barbary Boy]

no real experience with owls, but im about to pair up a couple of new pairs of barbary falcons and will definatly put the male in 1st then intoduce the female at least a week probbably longer later, it is scary but you must be strong and give them a chance to sort themselves out. with correctly reared birds you will rarely get any problems though. do you know for definate how they were both reared?

[Charlie]

thanks everybody but it appears there is no right way or wrong way. If I put the female inside a huge dog cage and put this inside the males aviary with food for both for a couple of days and then let the female out can anyone see a problem with this.

[Barbary Boy]

how were they reared m8?

[Wightwings]

yes the bird in the cage cant defend itself..........if your that new why are you looking to breed EEO'S ???????

[Shaun Byrne]

thanks everybody but it appears there is no right way or wrong way. If I put the female inside a huge dog cage and put this inside the males aviary with food for both for a couple of days and then let the female out can anyone see a problem with this.

Yes its against the law and if you do it you shouldn't have had birds in the first place.

[Jarreth]

Never do such a thing, it would be both illegal and very dangerous. Do you really think you should be breeding birds if you have no experience at all! I have kept birds for nearly 10 years and still dont think i have enough experience for a breeding program.

[Kentish Falconry]

Why would you want to breed EEO's? you can't give them away! To pair them up give them as much as they can eat in front of each other for 2 weeks then just let them go in the aviary, if you are worried put the male in first and then then put the female in a couple of hours later even if they are imprints they will revert and you should have no problems. The nest box should be on the floor not raised. Then just feed them up with plenty of good quality food and wait for the eggs in Feb or March. You need at least 8 chicks to break even so check your bank ballance first.

[Barbary Boy]

keeping a bird in a cage is only illegal if its to small? how many of you out there use night boxes? including some centers. are they up to the legal requirement?

[Jarreth]

Imagine the damage that could be caused to that female who cant get out of a cage and would feel very threatened with another bird stood on a cage on top of her.

How would you react if you were in that position, and you can rationalize that crashing around would hurt you and you may still do it in panic. Your EEO has no such rationalization and could injure itself enough to kill if put in that position.

This EEO is reliant on you for it's care. It has to cope with what you put it through it has no choice. Be very careful.

Also Charlie, there are many right ways and many wrong ways, and the people you get advice from are very good but if the have all the relevent info, they would very often give different advice. So it is not always a good avenue to soley rely on. great for extra info and gleening new info when you know what you are doing cause you give the right info to start with.

Again becareful

[Jarreth]

Dont really agree with night boxes Barbary Boy to be honest, and I would question whether some of them were illegal. I haven't looked into it but it woulod be intersting to do so.

I don't know many dog cages that would be big enough to house a F EEO. And even if it was I still would do what Chalie is proposing.

Respect to you and that though

[Kentish Falconry]

Hear Hear I agree 100% and the term DOUGHNUT springs to mind but if he has already got the poor birds then we have to give the most sound advice we can based on the info we have if for no other reason but the birds welfare
Terry

[Jarreth]

Sorry that was a bad typo

I wouldn't do what Charlie is proposing definately wouldn't. Can't even imagine why it would be necessary.

[Jarreth]

Hear Hear I agree 100% and the term DOUGHNUT springs to mind but if he has already got the poor birds then we have to give the most sound advice we can based on the info we have if for no other reason but the birds welfare
Terry

True. I am very glad she or he posted first

[Charlie]

Hi its Zoe again, my dad posted the other posts.

I dont personally think having a female is a good idea at all. Just we were advised that with it being mating season we should get him a mate. ???

We are still learning and will be for a long time, we want to do the best for Charlie hence coming onto forums like this to ask for advice, before we do anything.

Im cramming in my brain as much as i can about owls so do not mistake me for stupid or a doughnut :yawinkle:

Charlie is a well loved and well cared for bird, he is fed right and looked after right, which to me is paramount to everything else - its just everything else we do not know about.

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Just out of interesst, how old is Charlie?

[Charlie]

Hi, Im led to believe he is six years old, hand reared.

[Barbary Boy]

and how were they reared?

[Charlie]

Hi im led to believe he was hand reared. Im trying to contact his orignial owner.

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Hi, Im led to believe he is six years old, hand reared.

Does he whoot and call? Does he look at you with big goggeld eyes and his ear tofs straight up on his head? Does he lay on the floor in a corner whooting and running up and down on tall stiff legs when you approach (if he is in a aviary)?

[Barbary Boy]

you think hes an imprint dont you sarah?

[Charlie]

Hi despite the amount of time i spend with him he responds much more to my dad. When he sees my dad he calls at him, then flys into his box and scratches and "clucks". But my dad can have a "conversation" with him that noones else can. Yes his ear tuffs go straight up when dads around.

[Finnish]

thanks everybody but it appears there is no right way or wrong way. If I put the female inside a huge dog cage and put this inside the males aviary with food for both for a couple of days and then let the female out can anyone see a problem with this.

Surely your not being serious:rolleyes: How new are you to falconry.:?:

[Kentish Falconry]

Gay Owl?

[Barbary Boy]

dad imprint id say? did you enjoy your steak terry?

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Hi despite the amount of time i spend with him he responds much more to my dad. When he sees my dad he calls at him, then flys into his box and scratches and "clucks". But my dad can have a "conversation" with him that noones else can. Yes his ear tuffs go straight up when dads around.

Well I can tell you you defenatly have a hand reared owl, properly imprinted on a man, and now on your dad.
If you want to breed from him you need to totally seclude the aviary so he can not see any humans, and it might still not work......
I would just not bother to be honest with you. He will get over his excitement after the seson ended.
He does not need to breed to be happy,
Not meant bad, dont take this in the wrong way, but its seem to me that from your limited experiance you will do more harm then good if you try to pair him up. Are you flying this bird ore is he an aviary bird?

[Kentish Falconry]

dad imprint id say? did you enjoy your steak terry?

Yes realy nice not often you are 21+ and spoiled by my baby. Thanks for the birthday card Bells!!!!!

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

steak?? Good for some hey!! You are spoild Terry, I just came back from a 9 hour trip to scotland and back, had one sandwish all day!!!
You need to live like me for a while to harden you up......

[Barbary Boy]

Well I can tell you you defenatly have a hand reared owl, properly imprinted on a man, and now on your dad.
If you want to breed from him you need to totally seclude the aviary so he can not see any humans, and it might still not work......
I would just not bother to be honest with you. He will get over his excitement after the seson ended.
He does not need to breed to be happy,
Not meant bad, dont take this in the wrong way, but its seem to me that from your limited experiance you will do more harm then good if you try to pair him up. Are you flying this bird ore is he an aviary bird?
i need to breed to be happy? are you bringing your boy freind with you when you visit me ahfhb????

[Charlie]

Hi no we are not flying him. He happily hops onto my dad's arm and we are hoping to take him out on a line soon, if the weather improves a bit. He is an aviary bird.

Will he get bothered at all with not having a mate?? or dangerous?? if he does is there anything we can maybe add to his aviary to settle him??

I know what my stallion can be like when hes in full mating season and not getting any :oops:

[Kentish Falconry]

steak?? Good for some hey!! You are spoild Terry, I just came back from a 9 hour trip to scotland and back, had one sandwish all day!!!
You need to live like me for a while to harden you up......

I lived with you (well nearly) and fed you in the UAE how much harder do you want me to be? XXX

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

I hate to tell you this, and it is no good now, but you relly should have studied a bit before you got him. From reding your post you treat him a bit like a parrot. Owls are completely diffrent from any other birds. I would not say that a bird sitting in a aviary and that is not getting excersised will be happy, he would be better off with a partner, but with the limited experience you have it would not be my advice to get him one. Have you got any kind of bird of prey centre nearby where you can learn more about keeping and training owls? I am not trying to patronise you, just help you out a bit. Have you read any books on keeping and training owls?

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

I lived with you (well nearly) and fed you in the UAE how much harder do you want me to be? XXX

You have PM my dear, and yes I do know you are a nice man, and I did do you company while you where looking at women....sorry treating me on a meal :yawinkle:

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

i need to breed to be happy? are you bringing your boy freind with you when you visit me ahfhb????

LOL...Well as someone said, I need to see a picture of you first..............:supz:

[Charlie]

Hi no not at all, like i said the more help the better plus my skins as thick as a rhino :lol:

Yes we are not far from the falconry centre at Huntly, we also visited anothe centre a couple of days ago, and recieved some great advice, and help. Also the people have very kindly offered to come over and gets us started with flying Charlie, but as we are in the very cold north eats of scotland with ever changing weather its a bit tricky. Though i do have a friend who is more than happy to let me use his indoor riding school to fly him in.

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Sounds like you have good intentions, buy a book (cant remember the name, help me Barbary boy) by Jemima Perry Jones about training owls, thats will get you started. Its only heavy rain and very strong wind that will stop you from flying him. Cold is not a problem for a UEO.
I would try to see if anyone would give you some kind of introduction course together with your bird, get him flying. Ore if someone from the centre could come over regulary untill you are confident enough to look after him yourself. He will not become aggressive if he dont breed, but might not respond to training as well when he is in "breeding condition".

[Barbary Boy]

im not going to recommend anything by mima?

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Thanks for the help mate, Ill will bring my boyfriend with me up.......
Can you recomend any other good beginners book for traioning owls, NOT A FALCONRY BOOK FOR GODS SAKE!!!!!

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

Charlie, would you concider donating him to a centre where you can still go and see him and fly him with an experianced bird handler rather then trying yourself?
Might be a good idea for you and owl.

[Barbary Boy]

what about? all owls are bad by fergus Mc hairylegs, how to kill them without the rspb finding out?

[Barbary Boy]

or? the yorkshire eagle owl release programme vol 10 by sneaky eagy?

[As The Falcon Her Bells]

what about? all owls are bad by fergus Mc hairylegs, how to kill them without the rspb finding out?

I love the FF on a Saturday night...........................

I hope I helped you out a bit there Charlie, Pm me if there is anything else you want to know, I do think my last advice was the best one tough, but maybe not the one you wanted to hear.
BB and Kentish, nice as always to have your support and help on the forum. Have a good night, Im off to bed. ;)

[Barbary Boy]

I love the FF on a Saturday night...........................

I hope I helped you out a bit there Charlie, Pm me if there is anything else you want to know, I do think my last advice was the best one tough, but maybe not the one you wanted to hear.
BB and Kentish, nice as always to have your support and help on the forum. Have a good night, Im off to bed. ;)
can i come with you ?i can be there in under an hour?

[Kentish Falconry]

You have PM my dear, and yes I do know you are a nice man, and I did do you company while you where looking at women....sorry treating me on a meal :yawinkle:

I only wanted to feed you, all you wanted was to let the local tallent have a close look at me. Couldn't even go to the Arab club without you finding one for me. But it was a good night. PM sorted darling

[Barbary Boy]

leave her alone terry shes mine ? ill give mark a gyr to play with instead, thatle keep him happy?

[Kentish Falconry]

im not going to recommend anything by mima?

Don't blame you M8 she is the only Female Falconer that I know that could trip you up and be on the floor waiting for you to land with her knickers off before you even landed. And she could tell lies and beleive them herself what a slapper

[Kentish Falconry]

leave her alone terry shes mine ? ill give mark a gyr to play with instead, thatle keep him happy?

Not for long unless it's a Swedish Gyr with a big tits fetish

[Talon]

whats all that about....steady on guys..think theres going to be a couple of embarresed ppl tommorrow when they sobber up..?

[Kentish Falconry]

whats all that about....steady on guys..think theres going to be a couple of embarresed ppl tommorrow when they sobber up..?

Not really ****ed yet but whats wrong with a laugh and joke on a Sat night? I am not embarrrest in the least Bells knows me well enough to know it is a laugh and Mima knows better than to cross swords with me again, she was the emarresed one last time. And as for BB well I think the breeding season has left us both scared for life. Thats why we are both bitter and twisted at such a young age.

[Shaun Byrne]

keeping a bird in a cage is only illegal if its to small? how many of you out there use night boxes? including some centers. are they up to the legal requirement?

Have you ever seen a dog cage big enough to house a female EEO?