witch kind of hawk is this ?

[Cathartes]

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[Wilfred]

a big one.
Is it a hybrid or not?

[Blaze]

It looks very much like a harris to me!....Just coloring a bit different!..

[Saker-Clive]

looks like a juv. Ferru-tail.......(Ferruginous x red-tail)

[Cathartes]

I have no idea !!!!
i saw this birds on a spanish video.

[RWR]

I think it is a harris x redtail hybrid

[Tyack]

Bleached Harris!

[Bones]

I think it is a harris x redtail hybrid
ithink the same seems more harris in it though then red and would say it a juvenile
PS wouldnt mind one as nice looking bird with decent feet too lol

[Biarmicus]

Hello,

At first I thought it looked like a FerruginousxHarris' hawk hybrid, but comparing pictures on the internet I would say it is a FerruginousxRed-Tailed Hawk hybrid.

I might be wrong, as I have only ever seen pictures of Ferruginous hybrids.

Britt

[Barbary Boy]

i think its a harrisx redtail?

[Barbary Boy]

but it looks more like a harrisXSAKER/KESTREL? WHICH IS IMMPOSSABLE?

[Bones]

depends who's hybriding it pmsl

[LongVVing]

I would say a pale phase harris hawk in juvenile plumage. I did have a female once that was pale in her chest as a juvenile which looked very like this bird execpt mine was not so pale under the tail as the one in the picture.

[Saker-Clive]

The local centre to which I'm affiliated with, has Ferru-tails; lovely and big aggressive birds.

[NGuruve]

id say ferru/redtail ive seen the harris redtail at liberty raptor and reptile in the new forest they have the only natural well birds breeding them selfs that i know of the there is a female hybrid called fluke she is absolutley mental and will take on anything

[Dude]

argentinian HH!

[JayHawk]

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gotta be a harris x red tail. never seen one but read an article in last weeks cage and aviary and looks like what my minds eye saw :)

[Hacker]

It must be a Spotted Dickie Bird.
LOL

[Barbary Boy]

It must be a Spotted Dickie Bird.
LOL
i breed them? ill show you on sat when you come up. bring your wellies if you want to see the birds its knee deep up here m8?

[Hacker]

I`d better bring my chest waders then eh!:confused:

[Barbary Boy]

I`d better bring my chest waders then eh!:confused:
bring what you want? but dont forget a large wad of cash?

[Hacker]

My wad is bursting!
If only?

[Barbary Boy]

we agreed a price for the bird but did i mention the anklets are £6.00 a pair. the jesses £8.00 a pair, swivel £9.00 and leash £4.00. cardboard boxes are in short supply up here so £40.00 for the box, if you want me to fit the gear i can do it at cost £60.00 and i think youll find these prices quite competitive.

[GoshawkRST]

Hello there!

You have the two fotos from one of this 2 movies: " Cetreria " and " Cetreria Al Fin del Mundo " . The bird is a Female Harris Hawk (PERUAN Harris), those small harris hawks, parabuteo unicinctus unicinctus.
First when I saw the bird, I sayd it's an harris X ferugino hybrid, or an harris X redtail hibrid, then I seen the feders from the wings, and it seems like a kestrel feders to me.... but then I 've spoke with the falconer who made the movie, and ho's bird is this, and telled me it's an peruan female harris hawk.
It's not young. If I remember well, the bird got at least 3 years.

Did you seen in the movie how grate this bird is ??? It's bloody fast !

[Hacker]

You forgot to add £5.00 per attached feather!

[Blaze]

we agreed a price for the bird but did i mention the anklets are £6.00 a pair. the jesses £8.00 a pair, swivel £9.00 and leash £4.00. cardboard boxes are in short supply up here so £40.00 for the box, if you want me to fit the gear i can do it at cost £60.00 and i think youll find these prices quite competitive.
Is that inc VAT

[Hacker]

Oh! and don`t forget i am sure you said you would reimburse the fuel bill,
530 mls at " i think i`ll use the 8mpg Range Rover" .

[Barbary Boy]

so i think that means i owe you about £107.54 after you collected the bird?

[Barbary Boy]

there is no way that is a pure harris hawk 3yrs old . no way. ill show my arse in harrods window if it is?

[Talon]

just hope to god its not a pure harris.as bb arse in harrods window.
will result in mohammed al fyhed losing a hell of a lot of customers this christmas....lol

[Afshimo]

lol, cool harris, I thought peruvians were just smaller, not the change in colour! cool birds!

I agree with Talon lol, I'll never go near harrods again...

[Roberto]

That´s definitely an Harris, I only have doubts about her/is age.
Here some more Photos.

[Talon]

can we see picture of bird with hood off and shot of its back please.

[Roberto]

Tiercel Harris.
I think that they keep this color in their first 2/3 years.

[Talon]

yes it is very light coloured. thanks roberto.

[Roberto]

The bird in the first picture is not the same of the second one. I can´t put pictures of their back because their not mine. Althoug I have already seen more than one from Portuguese falconers and are very similar. They haven´t the sweet temperament of the Superior, but are better at feather.

[NGuruve]

they look very nice so aqre they larger than a (normal) harris than wonder y they are so light

[Afshimo]

they have long andbarred tails, very pretty harris, hope we get some in this country soon, would be nice lol.

[NGuruve]

flip the tails are long arent they cool they would be the next big thig tht everyone wants though if they hit england

[GoshawkRST]

Acording to falconers that fly " peruans " (unicinctus unicinctus), the males fly around 400 - 500 grams. I know a breeder here in Spain that breed " peruans " and the males came out of the chamber (fat) around 500 grams or even less. They fly around 400 grams.
In Spain are very few falconers flying "peruan" harris hawks, and they all say that this birds are far more agile and better on bird hawking, like magpies and other, even like blackbirds. They always compare this peruans with a tiercel goshawk.

Anyhow, one thing is sure (i've heard it from falconers that fly this birds): there is a big difference betwen a normal or superior harris, and a peruan, both phisical and in flying style. Also in caracter, since they say that the peruan is more nervious bird, an accipiter type bird. And they can catch very well magpies and other small birds, with grate succes, not like the superior or normal harris that will take them ocasionally.

This is what I know about this birds, because I was very interested in taking one, so i have asked around. Now, a friend got one and for the moment is bagging him some quails. We'll see the diferences soon, between his peruan and mine " normal " harris.

[Harrisii]

Acording to falconers that fly " peruans " (unicinctus unicinctus), the males fly around 400 - 500 grams. I know a breeder here in Spain that breed " peruans " and the males came out of the chamber (fat) around 500 grams or even less. They fly around 400 grams.
In Spain are very few falconers flying "peruan" harris hawks, and they all say that this birds are far more agile and better on bird hawking, like magpies and other, even like blackbirds. They always compare this peruans with a tiercel goshawk.

Anyhow, one thing is sure (i've heard it from falconers that fly this birds): there is a big difference betwen a normal or superior harris, and a peruan, both phisical and in flying style. Also in caracter, since they say that the peruan is more nervious bird, an accipiter type bird. And they can catch very well magpies and other small birds, with grate succes, not like the superior or normal harris that will take them ocasionally.

This is what I know about this birds, because I was very interested in taking one, so i have asked around. Now, a friend got one and for the moment is bagging him some quails. We'll see the diferences soon, between his peruan and mine " normal " harris.

are these birds in the UK??

[Sean]

heres a pic of 2 immature harrises, very pale. looks like the same bird to me

[NGuruve]

yep lookes the same to me are they in the uk

[Sean]

cant rmemeber m8 lol, got the pic over a year ago from andy uk, maybe he knows

[Talon]

Have only ever seen one like them .and that was at a falconry center.
in west hagley kidderminster owned by chris neal.
it was a total imprint male .as i ask him about it .as it was so light in colour.
actauly it was even lighter than them.

[Darren]

in the pic that sean has put up the eyes look more like falcons eyes than a harrises eyes

[Barbary Boy]

Have only ever seen one like them .and that was at a falconry center.
in west hagley kidderminster owned by chris neal.
it was a total imprint male .as i ask him about it .as it was so light in colour.
actauly it was even lighter than them.
chris neil who helped the t v people to manufacture a story against falconers? on the cook report? dont want to know him!

[Barbary Boy]

heres a pic of 2 immature harrises, very pale. looks like the same bird to me
they are are gorgeous looking birds, mine are very dark by comparison, i would love to see an adult? and are they available in the u k ?

[Talon]

chris neil who helped the t v people to manufacture a story against falconers? on the cook report? dont want to know him!

thats the one...didnt say hes a friend or out,i just use to go to
the center on my way back from the nbopc.on my way home to manchester.

[Harrisii]

stunning looking harris' hawks.
the original post of the peruvian harris looks much lighter with really blonde flanks rather than the barred flanks we see later on.
my brothers juv' male is very light and has much white on his chest but nothing like this. they are fantastic.
so does anyone know if they are available in the uk??

[StormRider]

If they are available in the Uk I wouldnt mind one> They look lush man, and sound good fun to fly
STU

[HunterGatherer]

female peruvian Harris hawk. 2005 bird. £300. Has not yet been handled, parent reared. Bird got for someone and have been let down staffs 01785850379 or pm.

[Kentish Falconry]

Just testing if I can upload images while I'm at it what bird is this?
And yes thats me as well please note he tried to rip my face appart lol
Terry

[Saker-Clive]

I would say a Tawny/steppe eagle but the picture isn't too good at that size; did make it bigger but it pixelated!!!!!

[Ramka]

Spotted eagle?

[Kentish Falconry]

I would say a Tawny/steppe eagle but the picture isn't too good at that size; did make it bigger but it pixelated!!!!!

Sorry S-S I had enough problems getting a pic up in the first place I will try to put up a better pic for you but you are not too far off
Terry

[Talon]

I reconise the bloke its howard keel ...from the film seven brides for seven brothers....lol..movie star hey.....

[PeelsBells]

they are are gorgeous looking birds, mine are very dark by comparison, i would love to see an adult? and are they available in the u k ?

Graham Butterworth breeds these birds BB very small but are excellent hunters. Everyone went for big he trys to get them small as poss.
His number 01616338072 you will have to leave a message as he is a very busy man.

[Eragon]

Bleached Harris!

I've seen pics of one. Was a very light tan color. He got sprayed by a skunk and the falconer gave the bird a bath in something (I forget what) and he turned the very light tan color. :!:

[Barbary Boy]

Just testing if I can upload images while I'm at it what bird is this?
And yes thats me as well please note he tried to rip my face appart lol
Terry
pure steppes eagle?

[Barbary Boy]

Graham Butterworth breeds these birds BB very small but are excellent hunters. Everyone went for big he trys to get them small as poss.
His number 01616338072 you will have to leave a message as he is a very busy man.
thanks peels bells! i know graham didnt raelise he bred them? thanks.

[Andy Cunningham]

i can tell you what it isnt ...it isnt a harred ( harris x red )

[GoshawkRST]

Harrisii - i don't know if they have those harris in UK. I live in Spain m8.

Sean - that foto you've put, is from Spain, and yes, there are the same birds, those " peruans " how we calle them here in Spain. I have talket last year with a breeder and he sanded that foto to me by email, if I am interested to buy one harris like this. One frind got one, and it's an AVESOME bird. The differenc in flyght is avesome, since that harris seems like a goshawk, and my harris (a small male fying 515 grams on bagged pigeons), seems an slow eagle.

I will try to put some more pics of that peruans harris, I love them since they are really good bird killers, like a goshawk.

Best regards!

[MickeyDredd]

Just testing if I can upload images while I'm at it what bird is this?
And yes thats me as well please note he tried to rip my face appart lol
Terry

Goldie/Steppe hybrid?

[GoshawkRST]

Here are the fotos m8's ! You can see the male " peruan " is different of a normal / superior harris hawk. According to the breeder and the central-south american falconers that fly these birds, they are avesome bird killers, and there is a good difference betwen one of this birds, and a normal harris hawk.

Thise peruans will have the plumage like this, up to 5 years, and then will become like a normal harris on plumage.
Also they have short wings, not like a normal harris (you can see in the foto).

Best regards.

[Talon]

lovelly looking little bird you have there m8.
got a feeling every one going to want a peruvian next season.

[Kentish Falconry]

Goldie/Steppe hybrid?

You got it Mickey.

[Minty]

Its definately a Spar crossed with a Fat ******* who was hard up!

[GoshawkRST]

It's not my bird m8! It's a breeder's from Spain. I wanted to buy one harris like this, but he only got 2 males more, and wanted to breed with them, so doesn't sell.
The price of a male normal harris here in Spain it's around 600 euros, and one " peruan " like this is around 1000 - 1100 euros.

Best regards.