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Hi all.
This morning I go out 2 feed my FHH and saw that her head is horribly looking
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/parabuteo/DSC00175.jpg
I went to the closest vet and he said its mycoplasmosis.... okay he told me dont worry I give sum ammoxycillin-B 4 her and she will be okay. Than a nother vet telephoned me and ask whats the prob....(I try to reach this vet first, but he was busy)I told him that a nother vet already told me whats the prob.... He said it cannot be mycoplasmosis coz its not so fast like this(she was totally normal yesterday evening)
I donno what 2 do...I donno which one told me the truth.... the 2nd vet who telephoned me is very Xpensive, but he save this HHs leg after a bone is broken and the other is an old prof who saw many things in his life....
I hope sumbody have sum Xperience with this ****!
rgds,
Dan.
BFC 007
11-12-2005, 06:24 PM
bloody hell dan,looks bad mate :sad:
hope you can sort her out
Barbary Boy
11-12-2005, 06:29 PM
dont know what mycroplasmosis is m8 but it looks like some kind of synus related problem sort of thing , unless there is a good vet on here id take her to the other guy asap, sorry i cant help, but id be quick about it.
I donno what 2 do..... :( I just can take her to the other vet late night tomorrow and the nearby vet can help me out 10 in the morning... It looks horrible... :(:(
HunterPaul
11-12-2005, 06:40 PM
that is astounding....ive not seen anything like that before.... but you need to somehow get this thread read by as many people as pos to try and find out what the f...to do mate...good luck....
Shaun Byrne
11-12-2005, 06:49 PM
I'll try and contact Sprout for you mate.
Thanks a lot m8!!!!!!!!!!
GriffMJ
11-12-2005, 06:58 PM
Hi Dude
mycroplasmosis is a short term bacterial infection .... i think .....in other words its viable for hours rather than days. From what I have read you can purchase preventative antibiotics
Category : ANTIBIOTICS & ANTIMICROBIALS
Presentation : 100gm jar
Composition : Tylosin tartrate 800g/kg
Species : BIRDS & POULTRY
Price : £14.49
Description :
Mycroplasmosis prevention in replacement pullets and broilers
http://www.vetproductsonline.co.za/productinfo.asp?productcode=1633
As to your photo.... I dont know.... I cant find any pics of symptoms on the internet. I have found the following for you tho:-
Mycoplasmosis (CRD, Air sac, Sinusitis)
Organisms in the genus Mycoplasma are a significant cause of respiratory disease in poultry. Of the numerous species of Mycoplasma that have been isolated from domestic poultry, three are of known significance. Mycoplasma gallisepticum is associated with chronic respiratory disease (CRD)/air sac syndrome in chickens and turkeys and infectious sinusitis of turkeys; Mycoplasma meleagridis is associated with airsacculitis in turkeys; and Mycoplasma synoviae is the cause of infectious synovitis in chickens and turkeys.
Chronic respiratory disease (CRD), air sac syndrome and infectious sinusitis of turkeys have a common cause. CRD was first recognized as a chronic but mild respiratory disease of adult chickens. It reduced egg production but caused little or no mortality. Afterward, a condition known as "air sac disease" became a problem in young birds. It caused high mortality in some flocks. Many birds became stunted, feed efficiency was reduced, and many fowl were rejected as unfit for human consumption when processed.
Infectious sinusitis in turkeys produces a sinus swelling under the eye as well as an inflammation of respiratory organs. It is a chronic disease adversely affecting growth and feed conversion. It may also cause significant mortality in young poults.
A peculiar bacterial-like organism known as Mycoplasma gallisepticum (MG) is common to all three conditions. CRD and sinusitis in turkeys are caused by a pure MG infections while the air sac syndrome is caused by an infection of MG in combination with E. coli. These conditions are triggered by acute respiratory infections such as Newcastle disease or infectious bronchitis.
Mycoplasma gallisepticum is widespread and affects many species of birds. Eradication programs have reduced the incidence in recent years. It is primarily spread through the egg. Infected hens transmit organisms and the chick or poult is infected when it hatches. Organisms may also be transmitted by direct contact with infected or carrier birds.
The true CRD produces slight respiratory symptoms such as coughing, sneezing and a nasal discharge. In the air sac syndrome there is an extensive involvement of the entire respiratory system. The air sacs are often cloudy and contain large amounts of exudate. Affected birds become droopy, feed consumption decreases and there is a rapid loss of body weight.
Infectious sinusitis in turkeys occurs in two forms. When the "upper" form is present, there is only a swelling of the sinus under the eye. In the "lower" form, the lungs and air sacs are involved. The air sacs become cloudy and may contain large amounts of exudate. Both forms of the disease are usually present in the flock and frequently are present in the same bird.
Diagnosis of either condition must be based on flock history, symptoms and lesions. Blood tests are useful in determining whether a flock is infected.
The answer to the MG problem in both chickens and turkeys is eradication of the disease organisms. This goal has been achieved in commercial breeding flocks with voluntary programs conducted by the National Poultry Improvement Plan (NPIP) and National Turkey Improvement Plan (NTIP). The treatment of CRD, air sac syndrome and the lower form of infectious sinusitis is not considered satisfactory. Many antibiotics have been used with varying success. Whether to give treatment is a decision that must be made on each flock based on economic factors. If treatment is attempted, give high levels of one of the broad spectrum antibiotics (Tylosin, aureomycin, terramycin, gallimycin) either in feed, drinking water or by injections. The "upper"; form of infectious sinusitis can be treated with success by injecting antibiotics into the swollen sinus cavity.
Kentish Falconry
11-12-2005, 06:59 PM
I donno what 2 do..... :( I just can take her to the other vet late night tomorrow and the nearby vet can help me out 10 in the morning... It looks horrible... :(:(
Hi Dan
I am not sure just what this is and would have to see the bird in the flesh so to speak.
I can tell you that if it is Mycroplasmosis then it's probably been brought in by Rats as they are carriers.
The incubation period for Microplasmosis is 6 days but you should have seen signs of it coming there should have been a nasal discharge before the eyes started to swell up. If it is Mycroplasmosis then it is Synovitis this affects the lungs and nasal passages causing a discharge from the nostrils eventually the eyes will close completley and the bird will not be able to see to eat, however with a HH you can hand feed to keep it alive.
I have never seen this in birds of Prey before but I have seen it in Poultry and it is highly contagious and will spread quickly to any other birds you have or come into contact with so please be verry careful and set up foot baths with a good disinfectant such as F10SC. !6 years ago I lost over £250,000.00 worth of Pheasants, Partridges and Rare Breed Chickens from this disease that came from a big Game Bird Breeders stock (50 French Partridges) we tried and tried to stamp it out but it had got into the Rats and no matter how good our Bio Security was the Rats just kept spreading it so we had to kill all our remaining birds under the guidance of ADAS (MAFF) and The Game Conservancey.
I would sugest that you contact Neil Forbes at Great Western Referals gwr@gwreferrals.co.uk or tel: 01793 603800 24 hour service
Don't hang about do it now and if you have other birds get them on treatment imediatley.
Contact me if you need more info
Terry
Kentish Falconry
11-12-2005, 07:14 PM
Hi Dan
Sorry just realised you are not in the UK send the Pic's to Neil Forbes for him to look at and see what he says but the sooner you can get some medication into the HH the better
Best of luck M8 wouldn't want to be in your shoes if it is Mycroplasmosis.
Terry
thanks a lot Terry I already disinfectant the mews and my clothes and I use a new glove 4 the others!
GriffMJ
11-12-2005, 07:18 PM
Hi Dude
bit more for you
Clinical Signs
Clinical signs observed in wild avian species with mycoplasmosis are red, swollen eyelids and conjunctival tissue (mucous membrane covering the anterior surface of the eyeball) with a clear ocular discharge. The condition can become more severe resulting in extreme swelling of the eyelid and conjunctiva, crust formation along the eyelid margins resulting in ulcerations on the cornea and purulent discharge and loss of sight. Inflammation of the sinuses may occur resulting in discharge flowing from the nares. The birds may also display wet, matted feathers on the face (especially around the eyes), fluffed body feathers, inactivity (sitting on the ground and remaining at feeders after other birds have left), weight loss, loss of appetite and death due to starvation, exposure or predation.
Domestic poultry display respiratory symptoms such as coughing, sneezing and nasal discharge. They are lethargic, stop feeding and undergo severe weight loss. In turkeys, the sinus under the eye becomes swollen.
Treatment
There is no recommended treatment of birds exhibiting clinical signs consistent with mycoplasmosis. The concern in prescribing antibiotic treatment of the birds is that it may result in further spread of the disease and an asymptomatic carrier state, with the potential release of birds with organisms that have acquired antimicrobial resistance. This has often resulted from the treatment of domestic poultry. Some rehabilitators have treated M. gallisepticum infected birds and have successfully eliminated the infection, but long term topical and systemic antibiotic treatment was necessary. Mycoplasmal conjunctivitis is highly transmissible and it is possible that the infection could be transferred to other bird species housed nearby.
If treatment is given, 3 antibiotics must be administered simultaneously:
Oxytetracycline hydrochloride with polymyxin B sulfate eye ointment daily in both eyes.
Tetracycline systemic antibiotic given orally twice daily for 14 days.
Tylosin tartrate in the drinking water until release.
Control
If mycoplasmal conjunctivitis is observed in birds in a residential area, there are various methods of control which need to be instituted immediately. Infected birds should be collected and humanely euthanized. If it is not possible to collect the diseased birds, encourage them to disperse and minimize contact with other birds by eliminating feeding sites. Bird feeders prolong the life of infected birds that otherwise would be unable to feed. Bird feeders need to be cleaned with a 10% bleach solution and not be put back up for at least 2 weeks. Fecal droppings and old wasted or moldy seeds and hulls should be raked and removed from under feeders. Tube feeders should not be used because of the ease with which surfaces can be contaminated by infected birds feeding. The best way to prevent overcrowding birds is to not supplementally feed them. Availability of food will result in birds congregating and make disease transmission easier. Restricting contact between wild birds and domestic poultry by excluding free-flying wild birds from farms is an effective measure and should be part of any farm's biosecurity policy.
Significance
Mycoplasmosis is not a threat to human health. In house finches, dramatic drops in populations have been observed within 2-3 years following the beginning of an epidemic. The population stabilized at approximately 40% of its previous abundance. In domestic poultry and captive reared game birds it can be a significant mortality factor.
In short M8 if you have any other raptors ....then I would isolate this HH and disinfect the mews aviaries etc and get it to the vets and let em treat it in isolation :(
Flying High
11-12-2005, 07:34 PM
Hi
She looks nasty. Had a good look at the pic and it reminded me of something. look up a book i have and i am not sure but i looks like it could me Sinusitis, Might be wrong and if i am I'm sure someone on hear will say
Sinusitis
can be very common is falcons but a can also occur in Hawks, particularly during cold weather or exposure to cold draught. It can occur during the summer, but there are fewer cases.
hope this might help. If anyone thinks it is not this please let me know because i do have ALOT more info on this as well as possible treatment
Hi
She looks nasty. Had a good look at the pic and it reminded me of something. look up a book i have and i am not sure but i looks like it could me Sinusitis, Might be wrong and if i am I'm sure someone on hear will say
Sinusitis
can be very common is falcons but a can also occur in Hawks, particularly during cold weather or exposure to cold draught. It can occur during the summer, but there are fewer cases.
hope this might help. If anyone thinks it is not this please let me know because i do have ALOT more info on this as well as possible treatment
its the same disease the vet told me its sinusitis and mycoplasma gallisepticum causes this at my hawk....so the common name of sinusitis is mycoplasmosis if I am correct(I hope so...)
Goose
11-12-2005, 07:43 PM
Best of luck Dude, ......I'm sorry but I can offer no help.
luck is what really hide away from me this yr m8 :(
Flying High
11-12-2005, 07:46 PM
If it is that is says in the book that after the first treatment (Spectinomycin and Corticosteroid) that about sixty percent of the swelling should go down within a few hours. it also says in a few cases swelling might recur after a few days. just repeat treatment again.
If it is this or not could you lets us know how it turns out and what you did. it could help me or someone else another time.
Last thing do you use sand in your housing for the bird
Hope it gets better
I use sand.
Thanks a lot guys 4 holding my soul in these moments and also to trying to help me out coz I am alone yet :(
I will tell u whats happened! I hope it will help in other cases!
Flying High
11-12-2005, 07:52 PM
it does say that the most common cause of this is down to inhalation of dusty sand in the housing, which are not well ventilated.
When it is clearing up did your vet tell you to feed your bird small pieces of food. because large piece can get stuck in its throat due to the swelling.
nope he dont told me, but I saw that her throat is also swollen so I gived her pieces of food today... her mews are well ventillated and the sand isnt dusty coz now here raining all day long since weeks.... This disesase come with food I think. with DOCs or with cats(freash cat(cat eaten a sick birdie) given without claws, head and inside parts.....).
Flying High
11-12-2005, 08:01 PM
OK. Please keep us up to date because i will be very interested in how she goes and how fast she bonuses back from this and what you had to do.
thats what spout told me
It looks like sinusitis, all the tissues around the sinuses are swollen. Unfortunately I cannot tell you the cause, it needs xraying and swabs taken for culture and sensitivity. Mycoplasma can cause this but so can a lot of other things. The sinuses need flushing, I use 1ml baytril (enrofloxacin) with 9ml saline and forcibly flush both sinuses once daily. The bird needs holding upside down and the mouth held open whilst you do this. The entrance to sinuses is high up so will not drain if left alone, they need flushing. Get the swabs done first then start flushing, it should be ok so don't worry
NGuruve
11-12-2005, 09:06 PM
ahhh that lookes bad that is exactly wat the fish eaglei caught in africa had maybe its the same wateva the harris has
Sprouts advice how 2 do it on my own.
Don't worry, but the sinuses must be flushed daily as well as systemic antibiotics. Incidentally, once shown how it is easy to do on your own, cast the hawk in a towel or casting jacket, sit down and rest the hawk on your knees but point head down and stick the syringe nozzle to the nares and flush. With the other hand put one finger in the corner of the gape to hold the mouth open, this ensures the hawk doesn;t inhale the flushed material.
ChakChek
11-12-2005, 09:12 PM
that soesnt look to healthy does it!
hope it gets sorted soon bud and everything turns out all gravey for you!
Sprout
11-12-2005, 09:55 PM
Don't wporry dude, these things often look worse than they are but remember birds go downbank very quickly (remember Liams Gos). Mycoplasma is one cause but not too common (at leats in the UK - every pigeon owner assumes any form of the snuffles is mycoplasma but it generally isn't). Do your swabs first and start on broad spectrum antibiotics AND flush the sinsues with enrofloxacin once daily as described. Mycoplasma is difficult to culture so it may be worth using tylosin anyway even if the culture comes back as negative.
thanks a lot Karl! Tomorrow morning I get the medicines and than start the therapy!
Hope we can drink a beer in the future at a meeting or donno how :)
regards,
Dan. :)
Sprout
11-12-2005, 10:16 PM
Look forward to it. Are you going to the falconers fair? If so see you there.
Kentish Falconry
11-12-2005, 10:27 PM
Don't wporry dude, these things often look worse than they are but remember birds go downbank very quickly (remember Liams Gos). Mycoplasma is one cause but not too common (at leats in the UK - every pigeon owner assumes any form of the snuffles is mycoplasma but it generally isn't). Do your swabs first and start on broad spectrum antibiotics AND flush the sinsues with enrofloxacin once daily as described. Mycoplasma is difficult to culture so it may be worth using tylosin anyway even if the culture comes back as negative.
Well done Sprout
Thank goodness we have a Vet on the Forum. I hesitated to argue too much with the Vets diagnosis of the HH and so whent with what had been said but I did have my doubts. In all cases of Microplasmosis I have seen there has been heavy nasal discharge. I am not a vet and in this case as you can see I recomended refering to Neil Forbes. I could not see any signs of a discharge with this bird but that did not mean that it had not been cleaned up before pic was taken. I obviously then realised Dude is not in the UK.
Anyway best of luck M8 hope you and your bird survive this.
Terry
Sprout
11-12-2005, 10:29 PM
Cheers.
P.S. If my bird is ill and not sure I still ask Neil Forbes!
I think I dont go 2 the fair coz I have a lot of things 2 do here! I have to rehabilite the tiercel peregrine and I dont put him down to moult. I think I will luretrain him to get more breath and have sum muscle coz he miss near a half yr of flying at his prev owner(but he dont miss coccidiosis....)
anyway I plan 2 make a meeting here in Hungary just I have to get more freetime 2 do it! than we can meet each others from the forum! :)
rgds,
Dan.
Sprout
11-12-2005, 10:44 PM
Let us know when you are planning it then mate, might have to make a trip out
the swollenings under the beak and around the sinuses are lowered a bit without theraphy(-50-60%), now I go to the vet with her.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/parabuteo/bajvan/DSC00179.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/parabuteo/bajvan/DSC00180.jpg
now she is looking much more better, and she alo feels better
now I am back from the vet everything going fine till now! she's immun system is very strong and successfully fight aganist the disesase.
In the evening I will update the thread.
Darren
12-12-2005, 10:48 AM
glad that she seems to be making a quick recovery
I gived her 500mg/l of Amoxicillin-B powder to water. 2X3ml of this tincture orally.
ChakChek
12-12-2005, 11:36 AM
she looks alot better now
she is looking much more better than in the morning, but she is tired about it! she is sleepy, but she wanna kill me again so I think the hard part is over, but I dont halloo till u are out of the wood!
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/parabuteo/bajvan/DSC00182.jpg
Dan.
BFC 007
12-12-2005, 05:12 PM
:supz: :supz: :supz:
nice one dan
Goose
12-12-2005, 05:55 PM
Glad to see she's on the mend.:lol:
Sprout
12-12-2005, 11:47 PM
If the swelling doesn't settle 100% quickly or she develops a ocular or nasal discharge then try the flushing, even if only for a few days.
Thanks Karl 4 the tips! :)
I hope she will be fine in sum days.
Dan.
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