Anti Falconry Organisations

[NGuruve]

wat do you people think about these 'anti falconry organisations' and what they are saying about our sport they although we arent the top of the hitlist we soon will be when they get there way with all the other apparently "blood sports" how can we protect falconry and we cant say it will never happen,thats exactly what the fox hunters said:(

[Saker-Clive]

It's quite simple...................we tell them, that unlike fox hunting, when we 'take quarry' (don't say kill), the prey is eaten. Just as it would be if the bird was in the wild.
If the bird doesn't eat the catch, then we eat it. We do not take anything that isn't going to be eaten.:supz:

[NGuruve]

true just feel we need to get more support from the public as there guna believe wateva those idiots tell them

[Bash]

Which organisations are these NGuruve?

Just for those of us "not in the know" ;)

[ChakChek]

Which organisations are these NGuruve?

Just for those of us "not in the know" ;)

in other words, this fella thinks he knows better

:P

[Saker-Clive]

true just feel we need to get more support from the public as there guna believe wateva those idiots tell them

I've been lucky in the fact that one of the places I regular 'excercise' my birds, is common land; and I meet people everytime we go out. They are always very excited seeing them and 9 times out of 10, they'll ask if they can get close etc. this is the time when I am able to tell them how lucky they are as if/when the antis get their way, falconry will get banned along with the fox-hunting (I also tell them that disagree with fox hunting; that always goes down well);-) If there is a nice looking lady with them, I normally get my HH to fly to her a few times and they go away on a high. It only takes a few of us to be seen doing this and word will soon spread about how nice we falconers are. Just keep the hunting side for private land away from general publics eyes!!!

[Tr1gger]

Most of the antis dont hav a clue wat we do, they've prob never even seen a falconry display. It annoys how they just go out and say how "bad" falconry is cause they havnt got a clue what they are on about :cry: :evil:

[ChakChek]

Most of the antis dont hav a clue wat we do, they've prob never even seen a falconry display. It annoys how they just go out and say how "bad" falconry is cause they havnt got a clue what they are on about :cry: :evil:

same with most things they try to mess about with

[Saker-Clive]

Most of the antis dont hav a clue wat we do, they've prob never even seen a falconry display. It annoys how they just go out and say how "bad" falconry is cause they havnt got a clue what they are on about :cry: :evil:

Thats a very naive and dangerous assumption; don't forget this is an open to anyone forum; pictures of birds on prey, general talk about hunting sessions etc. you give them too much credit...........................

[Tr1gger]

They got fox hunting banned, one of the reasons been that "too many foxes were being killed" now more foxes than ever are being killed because they hav to use guns instead of using the dogs

[NGuruve]

yep thats gd i just think that its becoming more a issue as we have a animal care couse at my college and they are all becomin anti falconry and there are a hell of alot of them

[ChakChek]

yep thats gd i just think that its becoming more a issue as we have a animal care couse at my college and they are all becomin anti falconry and there are a hell of alot of them

this is VERY true

when we go to the library (the place to be at good ole college eh zane), we always manage to get funny looks when we start looking in the game and wildlife section and even when we start looking at the falconry books or even watch a video about training birds.

[Saker-Clive]

Then it is upto you to 'try and educate them about falconry; you should maybe take a few out with you but NOT as a hunting trip;) just go somewhere that isn't too populatd with rabbits etc. and just fly in and out of trees to the fist. If the bird does chase a rabbit and misses, you then tell them that the rabbit escapes more often than it's caught. You then tell them, if falconry was that effective; most places that want to get rid of rabbits etc. would want falconers on their land instead of shooters!!! Falconry is also natural and eco freindly..........................

[SycoPaff]

wat do you people think about these 'anti falconry organisations' and what they are saying about our sport they although we arent the top of the hitlist we soon will be when they get there way with all the other apparently "blood sports" how can we protect falconry and we cant say it will never happen,thats exactly what the fox hunters said:(
Bloody Terrorists! thats what they are! boo hoo! poor fluffy bunny out of 10 million other fluffy bunnys! we do have laws2keep it humain! one reason i became particularly interested in falconry is because its probably the most ''clean'' blood sport around! and obviously most fun!

i'd tell them that their great great great great grandad was probably a falconer, and without his bird probably would have starved!

[ChakChek]

Bloody Terrorists! thats what they are! boo hoo! poor fluffy bunny out of 10 million other fluffy bunnys! we do have laws2keep it humain! one reason i became particularly interested in falconry is because its probably the most ''clean'' blood sport around! and obviously most fun!

i'd tell them that their great great great great grandad was probably a falconer, and without his bird probably would have starved!

or his bird starved because he couldnt possibly set it upon another animal to kill it

[Saker-Clive]

print this out and them post it up around your college.......................this is the law, from the government......................

http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/vertebrates/rabbit.htm

[GM090158]

It's quite simple...................we tell them, that unlike fox hunting, when we 'take quarry' (don't say kill), the prey is eaten. Just as it would be if the bird was in the wild.
If the bird doesn't eat the catch, then we eat it. We do not take anything that isn't going to be eaten.:supz:

This is a nice thought, however, there is no chance of the anti groups listening to any form of justification they simply wish all forms of field sports banned regardless of what it is. They are becoming more aware of falconry as a direct result of what the hunts have been doing. On saying that I believe that it has always been on their agenda!

[NGuruve]

haha i agree there usless mobs that dont have a proper argument

[Saker-Clive]

This is a nice thought, however, there is no chance of the anti groups listening to any form of justification they simply wish all forms of field sports banned regardless of what it is. They are becoming more aware of falconry as a direct result of what the hunts have been doing. On saying that I believe that it has always been on their agenda!

My post wasn't directed to the staunch antis but for falconers to educate the general public...........................we will NEVER change the minds of the anti idiots.:razz:

[Saker-Clive]

We as falconers/austringers have to get the general public on our side; forget the antis, they are blinkered in their thinking.
If like I say, we can get through to the best part of the public, then we will stand a better chance when the sh*t does hit the fan!!

[NGuruve]

yep they are still a threat to falcnry wateva we think and shouldnt be underestimated

[Tim Laycock]

Which organisations are these NGuruve?

Just for those of us "not in the know" ;)


http://www.league.uk.com/

These ******s have been peddling this ***** since the late 80s and most probably before then but I cant remember.

[NGuruve]

yep they have ben against it for a while but they are starting to ban many other hunting activities and will be after us soon

so in a way they are actually winning if they can sway the public

[Tr1gger]

it was goin 2 happen sooner or later they will try to ban falconry and they will use the same arugments that they used for fox hunting. We just hav to be ready for it, i've seen that legue website and its all a load of opinions and bullshit. They hav no proper proof to backup thier argument and they cant hav a ban passed against somthing based on thier opinions

[StormRider]

Having read the League's articles: this is the exact reason why we need to have our own practices legislated. To protect our own traditions. The only reason why falconry is at the forefront of the league at the moment is solely due to the efforts of the hunts who have brought us into disrepute.
We need to be looking after our own interests here and in an enforced environment. We cant do this without the backing of the law. Sorry peeps but its true.

[FlameHairedFalconer]

Having read the League's articles: this is the exact reason why we need to have our own practices legislated. To protect our own traditions. The only reason why falconry is at the forefront of the league at the moment is solely due to the efforts of the hunts who have brought us into disrepute.
We need to be looking after our own interests here and in an enforced environment. We cant do this without the backing of the law. Sorry peeps but its true.

Funnily enough I remember saying this 7 years ago and was shouted down by certian people who are probably coming round to my point of view, now that they have seen foxhunting banned.

If you legislate against it and spend time and money in setting up the relevant systems for that legislation, it is much harder to justify then wiping that all out again with a ban.

FHF

[StormRider]

FHF I hope yr a female cause I want yr babies. This is exactly what I am trying to put forward with all my arguments about legislating our traditions.
we really do need to look within and recognise that structurally we are not sound and could be blown down with a huff and a puff.
STU

[Minty]

As always its govt policy . Blair had to keep his backbenchers happy (old school labour) in exchange for support in other areas.
So he gave them the Anti Fox idiots what they wanted but left big loop holes in the policy, very clever!.

I do not think there is a threat to Falconry in such a way as the principles of the Hunt are not the same. Many Anti's are Anti establishment and anti upper class.
Falconry like Fishing is not so much and is not under so much pressure.

The biggest threat is this 'Bird Flu' at the moment it seems to be out of the media's eyes and unless it mutates i think will stay that way with just the regulations in place at the moment but if it does then we are in trouble...From the GOVT..well yes but its the Public that will be your biggest problem!

[StormRider]

I agree. But we have to remember that the 'flu' is a natural phenomena that we have no control over so any factors put into place we just have to live with. legislation governing our practices as a rule of thumb is different. If we cant fly for a couple of months or even a couple of years because of the flu, then so be it. We can all return at the end of it and carry on where we left off. However, if we get our eyes caught in the headlights of anti's and are brought under legislation that does not support us then we are stuffed. A concerted effort from us guys to push supportive legislation with internal regulation from say the Hawk Board would be the answer. We show we have nothing to hide and noone can touch us.

By the way I have spoken to the South Durham Hunt today with regards to our issues on the use of BOP's within hunts. To give him his dews he was very happy to talk to me and explain things. Saying that tho he has not swayed my views one ayota.
It appears that the initial introduction of our practices into theirs was a knee jerk reaction to them receiving the initial news on the ban against their activity. The decision to test the use of raptors was a personal decision made by the Head Huntsman. Not all agreed apparently. Anyway, the head Huntsman is being replaced by a new guy after the new year and it appears that we may not see a repeat of this activity when he comes into post. They have decided that following scent trails to pre-shot carcasses as the way forward for them, as it seems to have struck a chord with their participants.

He believes that other hunts are going to move towards the same practices, but could not be fully sure.
Anyway, lets see.

By the way, the falconer who is supplying and training the birds for their hunt is a guy called George from Hartlepool. He flies a Goldie and a Turkmenian Eagle Owl. Does any one know this guy? Me thinks he need a talking to.

[Bengal Hawk]

I personally have never hunted with BOP's as I am a newbie. However i have hunted abroad birds, fish for food and believe that there is nothing wrong with hunting as long as after the kill, the animal isn't left there to rot! If your gonna kill it, eat it!

Coming back to that league agains cruilty. I reackon the're a bunch of ******s, who have no lives and love to stick their nose into other peoples business. Bunch of hypocrites! Every single one of the wearing products made from animals. Think, shoes, trianers, bags, wooly hats, scarves, gloves, make-up etc etc......where do they think all these items come from? Have they ever bothered to stop and think, maybe these huge companies are slaughtering these animals in their thousands and are they treating them rightly before being killed. In my opinion NO! But, I need some of the products mentioned above and can't do without em, so I'm not protesting or trying to shut these factories down!

I reckon, if all us falconers get together and start our own league against the league of animal cruilty and each falconer donates a small amount of money say a pound a year. By the time these bunch of ******s reach parliament with their case, we should have enough dough in the account to hire a hitman to take a few of them out and we could all come along and watch and maybe start a new sport! That'll send em hiding straight under their beds crying MUMMY!:supz:

Sorry to sound so nasty, But I just wanted my voice heard!

[NGuruve]

totally agree they are a waste of space and so bored they need to ruin other peoples passion to feel good did they ever stop to think that hunters are the best consavtionists so they have no leg to stand on when it comes to wildlife ive heard alot about people against hybrid bop and they are (animal lovers) do they not realise that there dogs,cats and horses are in fact not pure breds

[StormRider]

I have already set up my own group 'Raptor Revolutionaries'. We wear red berets with turkish knots on the top. Do u wanna join lads.
Seriously though, u guys are right the majority of decent and good falconers do work tirelessly in their own time to complete local conservation work. i get contacted all the time from the Local Authority for advice on putting educational events together in the holidays with kids, etc. I know we arent the only ones doing this. We are also doing some local research into the lack of Peregrines.
The only fear that I have when we do these events, is that an anti may be present and attempt to release the birds whilst still fitted with furniture. I would personally kill the twats if they didi this.

[FlameHairedFalconer]

Despite being a nation of animal lovers we have an inordinately high level of animal cruelty to pets. I genuinely cannot believe that organisations like LACS can sleep at night knowing that their are people out there abusing pets, domestic animals, and they are campaining, and spending money on campaining, against killing vermin!!

It ****es me off big time that I cannot contribute to the RSPCA due to the potential that the funds will go towards lobbying for an end to falconry. It was about time that this was changed, and the investigating and enforcing of animal welfare (along with the rehoming etc aspects) was transferred to a non political governement run body, and leave the bleeding heart/fluffy bunny stuff to ordinary lobby groups.

FHF

[FlameHairedFalconer]

We are also doing some local research into the lack of Peregrines.


I'd have a quiet word with your local pigeon fanciers groups on that front....

FHF

[Kentish Falconry]

I am a fully paid up member of the following organisations
RSPB
LACS
ALF
RSPCA
CRAFT (Can't remember a Fu**ing thing club)
FART (Fundalmentalist Animal Rights Talaban)
And loads more you never heard of
I am also a Fu**ing Liar lol

[FlameHairedFalconer]

I am a fully paid up member of the following organisations
RSPB
LACS
ALF
RSPCA
CRAFT (Can't remember a Fu**ing thing club
FART (Fundalmentalist Animal Rights Talaban)
And loads more you never heard of
I am also a Fu**ing Liar lol

Wasnt ALF a furry alien that ate cats?

FHF

[Kentish Falconry]

Wasnt ALF a furry alien that ate cats?

FHF

No ALF (Animal Liberation Front) is the really dangerous group of Anti's who don't even stop at murder and get away with a Manslaughter charge. They came here once and we had a bit of a set too and they never came back for round 2 I hope they don't cos they just don't care how far they go!!!

But to answer your question they are furry Aliien Cats without brains but they get food poisoning if they eat to much Pussey

[Starsky]

As always its govt policy . Blair had to keep his backbenchers happy (old school labour) in exchange for support in other areas.
So he gave them the Anti Fox idiots what they wanted but left big loop holes in the policy, very clever!.

I do not think there is a threat to Falconry in such a way as the principles of the Hunt are not the same. Many Anti's are Anti establishment and anti upper class.
Falconry like Fishing is not so much and is not under so much pressure.

The biggest threat is this 'Bird Flu' at the moment it seems to be out of the media's eyes and unless it mutates i think will stay that way with just the regulations in place at the moment but if it does then we are in trouble...From the GOVT..well yes but its the Public that will be your biggest problem!
I 100% agree with you Minty, fox hunting was an easy target to save face and get votes and i dont think fox hunting was in any way a comercial asset to anyone. They baned handguns, why didnt they ban all guns the answer is simple, the shooting industie is worth too much. Falconry/fishing and shooting are more comercialy established than fox hunting, lest face it they aint gonna ban shooting or fishing its worth too much as a whole, probably billians. Falconry over the past 20 years has become more comertialised, some people think its a bad thing, but i think most will agree it will probably save it.

[Sparrow Hawker]

I think you have to look at how people become Anti's!!!

The main problem as I see it is theres a lack of education in schools with regard to our heritage! A lot of schools are anti's themselves!! People forget where food comes from! people forget that those bits of prepacked meat in Tescos were once living creatures. We're so refined from our heritage and everything is done for us all! We need take a step back and get real!

Years ago children were out there exploring, fishing and ferreting etc now it seems there either hanging around street corners and causing a nuisance of themselves as they have nothing to do or playing on a playstation! This is where the government fails the youngsters!! give them an interest something to do!

To prove a point my dad helps run junior fishing days in the summer months, now some of these youngsters have been expelled from school and been in all sorts of trouble but give them a chance, something there interested in and there outlook on life totally changes!! There views will change they'll see the benefits of what there doing and they'll achieve something to!

You got Mr Prescott building houses all over the place, the Labour government are so out of touch with reality and life in the countryside that even there former rural affiars minister wasn't welcome in the countryside!

The way I see fox hunting went wrong is they never made it accessible to people! At the end of the day its what public opinion thinks as this will very often sway the governments actions, and public opinion can be influenced by the way the media portrays topics!

In my opinion you've got to educate children as there the life-blood for the future!!

I appreciate that times have changed, Society and there views have changed dramatically, is there a way back from all of this???

HH

[StormRider]

[The way I see fox hunting went wrong is they never made it accessible to people! HH[/QUOTE]

I think that we all know that this is rubbish! The main genre of public would not entertain fox hunting even if they had the money and it was accessible. They dont do it because a lot of the fox hunts for many years showed no regard to the real welfare of the quarry that was killed. Fair enough thats up to them, but they were caught so many times on camera digging out foxes and planing them with shovels or swinging them round within a midgies dick of a hounds sniffer.
Before any one starts, I aint an anti, I am a falconer. I just cant help thinking that the hunt guys never really do themselves any favours. Yes we are a nation of cruelty cases but we do also have many more animal lovers. Not animal activists but real animal/nature lovers who also keep pets. The same animal lovers who would routinely go to see a falconry display to learn about and admire what they were seeing. Its these people who have decided that enough is enough and have supported the many campaigns laid down by LAAC, LACS, RSPCA, etc.
I honestly believe that these same people would probably however, support the issue of falconry if we could portray ourselves in a better light. The majority of falconers in the UK carry out their acrtivities in a very professional manner (almost business like) because they really do want to get outsiders interested. A lot of falconers participate in various conservation projects, mainly initiated by themselves. The public see this and hear about it.
I feel that falconers today have a lot to be thanked for in terms of what good has been achieved within nature. A good falconer learns not just falconry but good field craft also. Good field craft is based on keeping an equilibrium within nature for the future survival of food and hunter alike.
Good field craft is conservation work at its best.
How many hunts riders could say that they no their flora and fauna when they've fallen off their horse and on their arse.

After all that ramble (no pun intended) I guess that all i am trying to do here is scream out the words "EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION".

STU

[NGuruve]

i wanna be apart of the red beret group were do i join lol

[Nemesis]

The public are not stupid thay knowe that Falcons and Hawks kill rabbits ext but thay can be turned round to thinking it is not all bad on a golf course I have permision on I talk to the golfers and public answer there questions and hopefully put there minds at rest that what we do is the same thing that happens in nature and that there are no birds or rabbits that limp off half shot or injured that when the bird catches the rabbit ext it is dispatched there and then I have won a few people over to are side and I am new to flying how much more can be done by are long term members if thay put there minds to it. good flying to all.

[ChakChek]

The public are not stupid thay knowe that Falcons and Hawks kill rabbits ext but thay can be turned round to thinking it is not all bad on a golf course I have permision on I talk to the golfers and public answer there questions and hopefully put there minds at rest that what we do is the same thing that happens in nature and that there are no birds or rabbits that limp off half shot or injured that when the bird catches the rabbit ext it is dispatched there and then I have won a few people over to are side and I am new to flying how much more can be done by are long term members if thay put there minds to it. good flying to all.

they arent stupid, they are more nieve to it.

of course MOST of the public know that BOP kill wild prey like rabbits and birds but the problem is they cant see that its neither cruel or harmful to the birds or the quarry....well, obviously its harmful to the bunnes but thats ok because they are a pest.

the way forward is for each of us, when given the chance, to answer questons and show people its not all doom and gloom and cruel

[Sean]

although i love this forum, and have had sooo much help. i must admitt that i think that the most dangerous threat to falconry, is this forum. never know whos watching

[Kevin Massey]

i must admitt that i think that the most dangerous threat to falconry, is this forum. never know whos watching

correct:supz:

[Kevin Massey]

The public are not stupid thay know that Falcons and Hawks kill


this is off the leagues website http://www.league.uk.com/contact_us/faqs.htm

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"What about falconry?"


"The League believes that most of the public are unaware that falconry involves the use of birds of prey to kill other birds and animals, as usually they only see displays at country shows where the birds are flown at 'lures' rather than live prey. The League has major concerns about the display of captive birds of prey at schools, country shows and game fairs, where the birds are tethered all day, often in the blazing sun and in close proximity to bustling crowds. The League believes that the bloodsport of falconry should be outlawed immediately. No further licences should be issued and where possible all birds of prey should be rehabilitated and released back into the wild in their country of origin. "

[Starsky]

The public are not stupid thay knowe that Falcons and Hawks kill rabbits ext but thay can be turned round to thinking it is not all bad on a golf course I have permision on I talk to the golfers and public answer there questions and hopefully put there minds at rest that what we do is the same thing that happens in nature and that there are no birds or rabbits that limp off half shot or injured that when the bird catches the rabbit ext it is dispatched there and then I have won a few people over to are side and I am new to flying how much more can be done by are long term members if thay put there minds to it. good flying to all.
Or if they don't see it that way you can tell them that the rabbit, pheasant or hare had a better life and a fairer chance than the chicken that ended up on there plate on a Sunday afternoon, only a vegi terminator can disagree with that.

[G-Unit]

[QUOTE=Minty]As always its govt policy . Blair had to keep his backbenchers happy (old school labour) in exchange for support in other areas.
So he gave them the Anti Fox idiots what they wanted but left big loop holes in the policy, very clever!.

I do not think there is a threat to Falconry in such a way as the principles of the Hunt are not the same. Many Anti's are Anti establishment and anti upper class.

Could'nt agree more. Too many people give the league to much credit, they didn't get fox hunting banned, they only wish they had that much power, things are not often what they seem. These two sports in my opinion are worlds apart, and this is coming from someone who didn't support the practices of fox hunting. Can you imagine the hunt appearing at all the summer fairs and fetes around the country every year ,I don't think so. They are completly disconnected from the general public and it's their pompus elitist, conservative attitude that taint them in the public eye. Falconry is open to all and is transparent I dont think the hunt would sell too many Fox hunting experiences do you:D.

[Sparrow Hawker]

[The way I see fox hunting went wrong is they never made it accessible to people! HH

[I think that we all know that this is rubbish! The main genre of public would not entertain fox hunting even if they had the money and it was accessible. They dont do it because a lot of the fox hunts for many years showed no regard to the real welfare of the quarry that was killed. Fair enough thats up to them, but they were caught so many times on camera digging out foxes and planing them with shovels or swinging them round within a midgies dick of a hounds sniffer.STU

I'd disagree like all forms of people some play it by the book others don't! You can't tar people with the same brush! I agree in some circumstances the fox hunters haven't done themselves any favours at all (like using birds of prey to get around a ban) If more people went fox hunting and it had been made assessible to everyday people there wouldn't be such a thing as class war! which is why the labour mp's wanted a ban, the ban wasn't put in place for cruelty reasons the report by Lord Burns showed that!

I think a figure in the region of 59% didn't want hunting to be banned, even Tony Blair wanted the middle way option but left it too late!

No matter how people dress falconry up its still another form of hunting! and there's people who are against any forms of hunting! Falconry will always be a target just like shooting and fishing and all the others etc! The antis have made that very clear!

All The Best,

HH

[NGuruve]

i disagree with this forum being a threat to falconry they talk about us and make there veiw open to the public so y cant we, nothing said on hear well (generally) is illegal so they can go on about it all they like as we do when we look at there website

[Kevin Massey]

the worry is what the users of this site posts on times.........

this has been pulled up many times before.

and with some of the convesations that go on and some of the advice given...

the antis could have a field day

[Tim Laycock]

Agreed!

[HawkEagle]

Why are there so many vegitarians in Britain? Some people find killing is all tarboo. If you kill for a reason like for food for yourself or your bird then there should not be anything wrong. Afterall that what chicken farming is doing. People try to move away from being living creature called human being and that is why there are so many veggy in Britain.:wink: wierdo.

[Bill]

This is a nice thought, however, there is no chance of the anti groups listening to any form of justification they simply wish all forms of field sports banned regardless of what it is. They are becoming more aware of falconry as a direct result of what the hunts have been doing. On saying that I believe that it has always been on their agenda!

Well said Chick. This is the problem - the antis have one rational arguement and that is we shouldn't kill other animals for sport / pleasure (don't come back with we eat what we kill - crow pie, gull goulash) We obviously disagree but by and large one group will not convince the other.

What we have to do is rely on the majority of the public to be on our side and good animal management and presenting a sensible and responsible face to falconry is the most important thing we can do.

WHere di Sir Paul McCartney's motivition for animal welfare come from - Bambi. How are you going to argue with that.


Andy

[Bill]

the worry is what the users of this site posts on times.........

this has been pulled up many times before.

and with some of the convesations that go on and some of the advice given...

the antis could have a field day

HOW TRUE
and how many time has this been said before.

Foxhunters bred foxes, stopped holes, dug out when gone to round and did not present to the public an honest account ie "we hunt to control foxes" :oops: :oops:

If they had themselves banned these unsporting elements of their sport ten years ago they may have got the public on side sooner and prevented the ban.

Falconers should not make similar mistakes.

[StormRider]

Even Tony Blair wanted the middle way option but left it too late!

No matter how people dress falconry up its still another form of hunting! and there's people who are against any forms of hunting!
All The Best,

HH

You cannot compare falconry to fox hunting. There are no similarities. Fox hunting as describes by the hunts is a form of keeping down vermin. I dont think I've ever sat down to a fox sunday dinner. Falconry is a means of catching prey for food, whether it is eaten by the bird or the falconer.

The reason Tony Blair wanted to go down the middle road is because his constituancy is Trimdon where he lives and wher one of the biggest hunts in the country operates (The people who voted for him - South Durham Hunt). By the way this is the hunt that went to the press to declare their use of birds of prey.

By the sounds of it Hawker, are you connected to a hunt in any way, cause I cant see your reasoning in comparing what we do to what they do. We shouldnt be fighting their corner anymore after what they have recently done.

[GM090158]

[QUOTE=Minty]As always its govt policy . Blair had to keep his backbenchers happy (old school labour) in exchange for support in other areas.
So he gave them the Anti Fox idiots what they wanted but left big loop holes in the policy, very clever!.

I do not think there is a threat to Falconry in such a way as the principles of the Hunt are not the same. Many Anti's are Anti establishment and anti upper class.

Could'nt agree more. Too many people give the league to much credit, they didn't get fox hunting banned, they only wish they had that much power, things are not often what they seem. These two sports in my opinion are worlds apart, and this is coming from someone who didn't support the practices of fox hunting. Can you imagine the hunt appearing at all the summer fairs and fetes around the country every year ,I don't think so. They are completly disconnected from the general public and it's their pompus elitist, conservative attitude that taint them in the public eye. Falconry is open to all and is transparent I dont think the hunt would sell too many Fox hunting experiences do you:D.

I think it is very nieve to believe that there is no threat to falconry!
I agree that the principles of falconry are totally different to hunting, I also agree that the league does not its self have the clout as you say, however, group together all the other both public and hidden organisations that are opposed to ALL forms of field sports and we begin to have a growing problem. Then lump in the media who these groups are far better at exploiting than we are and we are suddenly in the ****.
Please do not do what has happened in the past and bury your head, if you do you will find it ulimately cut off.

[StormRider]

I agree entirely mate. Seriously it wont be long before we are suddenly up against it all and we are just not prepared enough. This isnt a case of paranoia or victimisation, its reality. Ive spent a lot of time, money and effort achieving my passion. It has provided me with some of my most memorable and enjoyable times of my life. I want to keep it that way.

[DeathFromAbove]

I agree we have to cover our back and try to build more bridges with supporters of falconry/hawking but....Whatever you do there will always be some people out there who love nothing more than to spoil your fun, be it through fear, lack of education, nothing better to do with their time...........the utopian 'animals of farthing wood' mentality of these antis ****es me off, they look out into a field...see some bunnies eating and birds tweeting and forget about what happens behind the scenes, I'm sure they think all animals in the wild are friends and have tea parties together. They forget that death is an integral part of nature and the process of life... without it life doesn't continue. Falconry in my view is the most 'green' method of hunting there is, providing it's suitable either my bird of myself (mostly my bird) eat what she catches, and the skins are used too.... bare minimum wastage and serving a purpose.

[Sparrow Hawker]

You cannot compare falconry to fox hunting. There are no similarities. Fox hunting as describes by the hunts is a form of keeping down vermin. I dont think I've ever sat down to a fox sunday dinner. Falconry is a means of catching prey for food, whether it is eaten by the bird or the falconer.

The reason Tony Blair wanted to go down the middle road is because his constituancy is Trimdon where he lives and wher one of the biggest hunts in the country operates (The people who voted for him - South Durham Hunt). By the way this is the hunt that went to the press to declare their use of birds of prey.

By the sounds of it Hawker, are you connected to a hunt in any way, cause I cant see your reasoning in comparing what we do to what they do. We shouldnt be fighting their corner anymore after what they have recently done.

I'm in no way connected to any hunts at all. I'm totally against what the hunts have done using birds of prey to get around the ban! It's totally wrong!!!

All i'm saying is Antis see no difference bewteen fox hunting and falconry there both forms of hunting! People are burying there heads in the sand if they don't think falconry's underthreat! Antis want all forms of hunting banned, as simple as that!!!

To my mind i'd be a hypocrite if I said hunting is different to falconry, all I see thats different is the method used! the end result is still the same though!! and thats what Antis look at!

One interesting point Tony Blair got re-elected and if the constituency of Trimdon has one of the biggest hunts in the country then why would the hunt vote for him and Labour when all they've done is turn there back on the countryside and created a massive divide, just doesn't make sense!

All The Best,

HH

[NGuruve]

i think its sad that people cant just stick to there own buisness and passions without worrying about others trying to ban it because of there pesonal views and definatly think that a huge part of the problem is the way in which people are brought up in in first world countrys ( i say that because in zimbabwe a 3rd world country where i was brought up they dont have this problem yet as we were brought up in a very old fashion and obviously this isnt every one there are anti's there to)


they arent encouraged to do well wat i consider normal things when i grew up as in going out with a slingshot and learning to use a gun they have only seen a few animals in the woods and see them all peaseful and looking happy

[MattSpar]

.... Seriously it wont be long before we are suddenly up against it all and we are just not prepared enough. ......

No-one ever is. Also, some of the posts that have appeared on this forum give the anti-brigade all the ammunition they need.