got my harris hawk !!!

[World.Hunters]

I got my harris she is a 2 yr old female already hunted (good price at £250)just fort i let u guys know every think is going good.
she came to me at 2.10 but iv been told she flys at 2.2 so im steadly bringing weight down got it at about 2.7 1/2 at mo but she flying to me at 70 yards on creance which is getting better every day

th for u guys help

cya guys:supz:

[Sean]

if shes flying 70 yards already then i doubt she would be a 2.2 bird m8, u sure thats what the seller said?

[World.Hunters]

yeah defently sed at 2.2 i even checked advert again

but i also had my doubts my try her at 2.3 1/2 or 2.4 wat u fink

[ChakChek]

I got my harris she is a 2 yr old female already hunted (good price at £250)just fort i let u guys know every think is going good.
she came to me at 2.10 but iv been told she flys at 2.2 so im steadly bringing weight down got it at about 2.7 1/2 at mo but she flying to me at 70 yards on creance which is getting better every day

th for u guys help

cya guys:supz:

hmmmmmmmmmmm is all im gunna say

[Hacker]

That`s a big weight loss to achieve, i think she should fly well at 2.2 probably ravenous!!!:rolleyes:

[MickeyDredd]

hmmmmmmmmmmm is all im gunna say

Telemetry is all I'm gonna say :rolleyes:

[World.Hunters]

i got a telem

what weight u guys recon i should try her at she even chases rabbit lure for 40 yards

[Hacker]

You should fly her no lower than you need to.
The ideal weight will be one that she responds at and only the bird can tell you that through her behaviour.
Whilst the weather is cold she will respond at a higher weight than when it warms up, generally.
Sounds like you are getting there, but i would think 2.2 way to low.

[FlameHairedFalconer]

EHS - no one on this forum can say for definate what weight she should fly at, unless of course they get to see her and her responses.

Put it this way - you wouldnt base your knowledge of a car or bikes performance on what the last owner of that car or bike says - all the more reason why you should not take what the last owner of the harris says as gospel. After all hes selling a 2 year old harris hawk, you have to ask yourself why.....

I did start to write a bit about how you could tell when she might be ready to go free, but then realised that the very best thing you could do for her and yourself is find a falconer near you and actually have a face to face discussion with someone. You will learn nothing from this forum that you cannot learn from a book.

FHF

[Mick]

just make sure your getting her to come at the right weight before you let her free mate as it seems to me either the bloke who sold ya it it lying about her weight or your making it up

just my opinion

[ChakChek]

just make sure your getting her to come at the right weight before you let her free mate as it seems to me either the bloke who sold ya it it lying about her weight or your making it up

just my opinion

it does sound a bit sketchy doesnt it. this kinda thing happened to a fella i know. he got a 4 yr old FHH from a guy because he couldnt do it anymore because of a stroke and was throwing in his towel as far as falconry was concered. HOWEVER...he got the bird in exchange for his MHH plus an extra £100 on top, and guess what...the new bird is ****.

i cant help but feel you rushed this a little bit mate, seeing as you come on here as a complete novice, same as me, only im waiting til the summer and after my college course to start training up, maybe even the end of the year if i needs be.

the only advice id offer to EHS is to take it slow. Dont try to run before you can walk fella. cutting corners is only gunna end in tears.

[World.Hunters]

the bloke seemed ok who sold it
he was selling it to a friend aparently.... and said it was an exelent hunter (but u can never take a strangers word for sure!)

the bird seems good up 2 yet but the real test will be when i get her hunting...

thats for the help u guys:supz:

[Hacker]

Hey people,
don`t give the poor bloke an inferiority complex over his new bird,
after all if you daren`t buy an older proven bird in case you have been told porkies what chance do you have with a young un who`s parent stock might be no better than overgrown budgies in an aviary.
Having your first bird isn`t some sort of initiation right that has to be as difficult as possible whilst you learn the dark and ancient art.
Give the guy some encouragement!
Stay on course mate and just take it slowly, you do not need to crash diet the bird, do as you are doing, monitor his weight against his responses, write it all down in a log and you can use this as a reference for his training.
best of m8

[Graham Stuart]

Hey people,
don`t give the poor bloke an inferiority complex over his new bird,
after all if you daren`t buy an older proven bird in case you have been told porkies what chance do you have with a young un who`s parent stock might be no better than overgrown budgies in an aviary.
Having your first bird isn`t some sort of initiation right that has to be as difficult as possible whilst you learn the dark and ancient art.
Give the guy some encouragement!
Stay on course mate and just take it slowly, you do not need to crash diet the bird, do as you are doing, monitor his weight against his responses, write it all down in a log and you can use this as a reference for his training.
best of m8
Well said mate keep going and see how he is responding when his weight is dropped very slightly compare it day by day and keep us posted..good luck

[ChakChek]

Hey people,
don`t give the poor bloke an inferiority complex over his new bird,
after all if you daren`t buy an older proven bird in case you have been told porkies what chance do you have with a young un who`s parent stock might be no better than overgrown budgies in an aviary.
Having your first bird isn`t some sort of initiation right that has to be as difficult as possible whilst you learn the dark and ancient art.
Give the guy some encouragement!
Stay on course mate and just take it slowly, you do not need to crash diet the bird, do as you are doing, monitor his weight against his responses, write it all down in a log and you can use this as a reference for his training.
best of m8

we arent trying to put him down fella, he have covered this with him before.

you should know full well that many of us get a tad concerned for other peoples birds health if there is the slightest chance of there being something not quite gravey.

as for giving him advice, we all have so far unless im reading it wrong somehow. You gave him near enough the same advice as i did, so all is fair

[World.Hunters]

thx guys and thx hacker cheers m8

i can asure u all the bird is doing very well getting more and more alert and responsive each day as i am bringing its weight down slowly and seems to be flying to fist quicker each day

thx again :supz:

[Addi]

the bird will be dead within 2 weeks !

[Osiris]

dont rush things m8. stating the truth your inexperience will show with her. take things slowly and ask for advice whenever like your are just now. i hope there is someone on here near your area that can help you in person. information can only give you so much. i hope things go good for your FHH m8. remember i am a PM on MSN away :D
Please dont disgard things people say to you on here. they are trying to help you and build up your experience. i said to you on MSN you got her too quick, but you have her now and i will help you as much as i can and i hope others will to.

wishes

jamie

[Jester]

reading this it seems that the bird is coming 70mtr on the creance and chasing a lure for 40 yards at 2lb 7oz


why would you want to drop another 5oz off it????



i know he is just an owl but even Jester was off the creance when he was coming 40mtr quickly enough and he chases the dummy bunny/rabbit carcass for long enough too.
he even took chase after a pair of wagtails once for about 70 yards which was a pretty cool sight:supz: . still wont chase rabbits though :roll:

[Addi]

i really dont get why people get the bird chasing a dummy bunny on the creance .. in my mind ( no that i am sugesting u do this EHS ) you get the bird off the creance asap !

[Tr1gger]

Try to build up the trust bond between u and ur bird u've only just got her she might not trust u properly yet keep manning her and building up trust and see how she improves, i let my male harris' off to early even though he was doin brill on the line, he flew off and we got him back cause he landed on a fence and we got him to fly about 4ft to get him back.

Try to find sombody that can help u and mentor u. we cant give u all the advice u need over the internet. Find sombody close to u and get thier help, can the person that sold her to u help atall?

[NGuruve]

just create a bond with you and the birdthen get her flighting free as soon as possible hope you can fly her regularly and get her fit you sould be fine with her just get her to the weight that she respondes best to you ...

dont take note on wat the other bloke said

[HunterPaul]

take notice of what people on here tell you...are you having a laugh.... you asked for advice and cos it wasnt what you wanted to hear you disregarded all of it...well im with addi.... well said mate ....you should be disgusted with yourself.... might i ask what is the top weight for the bird.... you take what the ex owner says ...are you weighing her the exact same way on the same scales...i doubt it so how on earth do you know what she flies at....if she is whacking back to the fist then get her off the creanse...you should imo have taken her weight right up and then started to bring her down to find her responsive weight yourself on your own scales your own way....people like you give falconers and falconry a bad name ...i wish the bird all the best..its gonna need it....you may fumble your way through this... but the sad thing is next year youll think your some falconry guru and be giving some other plank advice.... where if youd have done the job right in the first place and learned a few things first you would have had a good foundation to build upon...

[Wightwings]

pmsl........well said that man.....not going to jump on any particular band wagon here but just skirting thro the thread i am totally gobsmacked again you SEEM to have taken up a bird without a basic idea of the requirements......may be the same bird but its a diff enviro.....regime.......attitude.....etc.......I presume she is entered from last season so get her of the bloody line, off the DB and going.......you'll soon start to learn about the sport.......

[Addi]

the pathetic thing is .. last week he was dead set on a bloody redtail !!!

[Graham Stuart]

Having read some of his previous posts i now fear for his bird...you aint ready mate:twisted:

[Osiris]

I agree he definitely aint ready for his own bird, but he has it now so shouldn't we try and help him for the sake of the hawk :?:

[Wightwings]

yes we should so long as he listens:roll: ;-)

[Osiris]

yes we should so long as he listens:roll: ;-)

true, lets hope he does, and i think he will, hopefully!

[StormRider]

Hey guys Im sorry to harp on here. Some of u may disagree, but this is a classic example of what I mean about introducing some sort of registered apprenticeship/knowledge scheme. I aint saying this lad is daft, cause he might be a fast learner, but I aint really bothered about him, its the bird that I am bothered about.
My mentor was over the moon with my learning progress and was keen for me to get a bird when he felt I was ready. Saying that tho, I really did want to learn as much as I could and spent a total of three years just taking it in before "I" decided I was ready.
The thing is, is that you are also learning all the time you have a bird. Everytime it does something different or out of the ordinary that you have not experienced before, then you have to go back to the books and find out what has happened, what caused it to happen, and how to rectify it.
Life Long Learning!!!!!!!!!!!

STU

[ChakChek]

the pathetic thing is .. last week he was dead set on a bloody redtail !!!

and a month or so ago he was asking what to feed it and if he could fed it LIVE mice

hmmm

[NGuruve]

i really hope he does some how sort himself out for the birds sake

[Ninja-Jon]

Majority of the lads on the forum have advised this guy not to go out and purchase a Bop because of is lack of knowledge has he taken any notice of what was said NO so to be quite honest i think your ****ing in the wind. I know it's sad for the BOP but in is mind he thinks he knows better so whatever one posts will he take notice of in my opinion he won't. One can start to understand a little now why some expereinced Falconers do get a little stroppy with Newbies when they do give constructive advice and all they get in return is this ****.... There is no one less impatient than me but iv'e managed to grit me teeth and i will not be getting a BOP untill next year and belive me EHS it's been hard to do but end of the day i have took advice of the experienced Falconers something you have not done but now want them to bale you out and put you rite with the bird because your not sure yet this was put to you rite at the begining.So if they do post constructive information regards your BOP what reasons have they to belive you will take on board whats being posted because you dont listen to constructive advise. Like it or lump it M8 i personally do not welcome Newbies like yourself and i am no experienced Falconer.

[HunterPaul]

Majority of the lads on the forum have advised this guy not to go out and purchase a Bop because of is lack of knowledge has he taken any notice of what was said NO so to be quite honest i think your ****ing in the wind. I know it's sad for the BOP but in is mind he thinks he knows better so whatever one posts will he take notice of in my opinion he won't. One can start to understand a little now why some expereinced Falconers do get a little stroppy with Newbies when they do give constructive advice and all they get in return is this ****.... There is no one less impatient than me but iv'e managed to grit me teeth and i will not be getting a BOP untill next year and belive me EHS it's been hard to do but end of the day i have took advice of the experienced Falconers something you have not done but now want them to bale you out and put you rite with the bird because your not sure yet this was put to you rite at the begining.So if they do post constructive information regards your BOP what reasons have they to belive you will take on board whats being posted because you dont listen to constructive advise. Like it or lump it M8 i personally do not welcome Newbies like yourself and i am no experienced Falconer.
reasd this post again and again...try to take it in and start your learning from there....nice post NJ... unfortunately he gives newbies asking innocent questions a bad name....

[Jazz1]

Yes this guy as asked some silly Questions and has went against all the GOOD the advice he was given.
But NJ how can you be against Newbies we all are Newbies at 1 point just some listen more than others.

[ChakChek]

Yes this guy as asked some silly Questions and has went against all the GOOD the advice he was given.
But NJ how can you be against all Newbies we all are Newbies at 1 point just some listen more than others.

im not getting a bird until the end of my college course so i have the whole summer to devote to the bird and in the mean time im reading and re-reading up on things and going out with a mate and his bird

its really not that hard. some poeple just dont listen

[NGuruve]

haha exactly its not the end of the world to wait a bit till you know wat you r doing

so there realy isnt a excuse for him discarding the advice he obvoisly thinks he knows better

[Maxwell]

EHS, post some piccies... you were going to post a picture of your aviary, I'm assuming now you have your bird, it's finished...

[ChakChek]

EHS, post some piccies... you were going to post a picture of your aviary, I'm assuming now you have your bird, it's finished...

woukldnt hold your breath mate

[Renton]

EHS, post some piccies... you were going to post a picture of your aviary, I'm assuming now you have your bird, it's finished...

I think I would hope, rather than assume! :wink:

[Wightwings]

mmm assume.......make an ASS of U and ME.......nuff said

[World.Hunters]

ill post sum pics soon pal:supz:

[Renton]

Hopefully! 70 yards on the creance??? My creance is a mere 30 yards. She should be going free.

[ChakChek]

ill post sum pics soon pal:supz:

as soon as you finish building it yes?

[Kanati]

E.H.S. From what I have read in this thread your hawk is comming 70 metres? if shes doing it instantly?, then let her go! with regards to the weight issue, dont try and fly her at a weight told to you by someone else. If shes comming to your glove within 1 second of you offering it, then take her hunting. Its in the field wen chasing somthing you will see if her weight is right, not glove flying. make sure you look at your hawk and not just the scales when weighing her. She will tell you if shes getting too low. her eyes should be bright and she should be interesting in the things around you. I dont think the weight drop you were intending is overly big. The female I trained this year came to me at 2lb 5 and wouldnt START to chase until I got her to 1lb 13. shes comming back up now and knows to chase things, but the initial drop for a new hawk shouldnt be needed for you because your hawk has done it before and will respond sooner. Just take her hunting and watch her reactions to quarry...you might find she will hunt above the weight you have her at now!

for your own respect on this forum... and for your hawk..you really need to try and get this right, because its the general opinion that you have got it very wrong so far!

[PeelsBells]

ill post sum pics soon pal:supz:

I dont want to **** on your chips is that you on your web page.
You have got enough dogs to run in a pack.When have you got time to hunt with your bird.
Or on the other hand are you going to kennel your dogs and forget about them.

[World.Hunters]

cheers kanati

the aviry is finished just need to take photos on digi cam.

and the dogs are not mine i only have the 1 dog my german shepherd the rest are my uncles

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Just been reading this thread. Is this the guy who was on about using a Gerrman Shepard with his bird? If so I can geuss where the Harris is going!

[World.Hunters]

i did ask on that subject as my bird and dog must get used to each ova

i have been getting them used to each ova ova a few days useing food and they seem to accept each ova whilst feeding so its the first steps

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

If the dog is persuing rabbits and trying to catch them as I believe you mentioned. Forget the chance of ever working them together. Im sure you will not want your bargain Harris hawk too end up as dog food. The reason people spend hundreds or even thousands to get a working dog is so that it does its job. If any old dog that just happens to be laid around would do, falconers would be queing outside the local dogs home. Be very careful with using food to get these two used to each other as you could be sewing the seeds of resentment with the dog. End result jealous dog with a vendeta!

[Addi]

cheers kanati

the aviry is finished just need to take photos on digi cam.



maybe learning how to spell the word AVIARY would help .. or is it just a posh word for ur harris hawks cage?

[Hawkmaster]

Hold on a sec here! This is a falconry forum not a literature and English diction page.

We all make spelling and grammar mistakes. Take a look at these threads where you . . . . . . . .

No never mind, hope you get my point?

Play nicely, Paul:wink:

[Addi]

it wasnt particularly aimed at his spelling .. it was more his basic understanding of falconry and the keeping of a living bird of prey, i have visions of a harris in a parrot cage !

[Wightwings]

well hopefully we will see some pics soon......until them hold back on judgement hey;-) :roll:

[ColdZero]

well i was keeping out of this until now. I have seen the bird and aviary myself. The aviary looks safe and legally large enough for the bird, and the Harris itself looks healthy. However when i visited i gave EHS about a years worth of food...and if i hadn't the bird wouldn't of eaten by the sounds of it. I didn't have much time to talk, but everytime i try and offer any advice i get ignored, or blocked on msn which to be honest is ****ing me off. You can't just ignore everything you don't want to hear and carry on. I have offered lots of times to come over and get a second opinion if shes ready to fly free but so far you haven't even given me an answer. The few questions you have asked people have answered, but you were still asking me the same basic questions when you had the hawk on your fist which is impossible to understand. I don't mind looking after your harris until you are more prepared to hunt with her, which you really should consider.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Most likely waiting till The shepherd is fit enough too run after the Harris and eat it!

[ChakChek]

i would seriously advise letting Coldzero look after the bird until you are more prepared fella, otherwise itl end in tears with either you having a badly conditioned bird or worse still, not having a bird what so ever.

[Blaze]

well i was keeping out of this until now. I have seen the bird and aviary myself. The aviary looks safe and legally large enough for the bird, and the Harris itself looks healthy. However when i visited i gave EHS about a years worth of food...and if i hadn't the bird wouldn't of eaten by the sounds of it. I didn't have much time to talk, but everytime i try and offer any advice i get ignored, or blocked on msn which to be honest is ****ing me off. You can't just ignore everything you don't want to hear and carry on. I have offered lots of times to come over and get a second opinion if shes ready to fly free but so far you haven't even given me an answer. The few questions you have asked people have answered, but you were still asking me the same basic questions when you had the hawk on your fist which is impossible to understand. I don't mind looking after your harris until you are more prepared to hunt with her, which you really should consider.Well he obviously dosent want to know...If he had any sense he would have jumped at the chance to be supervised with an experianced falconer and learn first hand the ropes...not to mention later on if any problems occur he could be contacted...Coldzero respect to you for trying...but i think its a lost cause m8!

[Pogue Mahone]

i cant believe the muppet that sold it to him,was it no questions asked,he wants a good twattin for letting it go to him in the first place.:x

[Wightwings]

i cant believe the muppet that sold it to him,was it no questions asked,he wants a good twattin for letting it go to him in the first place.:x

well there ya go then that solves the lot.....:roll: i beg the question HOW MANY peeps on here have EVERY been asked by a breeder about their experience.........i never have and i have had many birds over the years...............:roll: .easy to blame these peeps but the problem is deeper than that

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

well there ya go then that solves the lot.....:roll: i beg the question HOW MANY peeps on here have EVERY been asked by a breeder about their experience.........i never have and i have had many birds over the years...............:roll: .easy to blame these peeps but the problem is deeper than that
I agree with you, but if you read the thread it hasnt come from a breeder.

[Wightwings]

I know K but breeder or supplier its all the same really.......no one ever asks the question........SO its easy enough to blame them when a bird falls into the wrong hands:x

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

If this new animal welfare bill aint changed before it goes through it will deffinately change who people will sell too!

[Graham Stuart]

so where are the long awaited pics, i have got a corset on just in case my sides split:wink:

[Zam]

Just had a look at your website, E.H.S.

See you are advertising for a female Harris. Is this as a replacement for your first bird - or are you ready to fly a cast now?:confused:

[HunterPaul]

well i never did ...got a bird ...no food...not even live mice...got an ayviry though.... working dog gsd that if the bird misses will catch the rabbits as it will also be in hot persuit...nice thing is though if the bird catches ...chances are the dog will retrieve the bird bunny etc for you.... can you give me some advice i can ignore please .... then when he takes absolutely no notice of previous advice and some of us get a little weary and state the truth to him...basically stay away from birds you numpty...we get a slap on the wrist...mainly from other newbies ..who are incidentally going about things the right way and waiting and learning, but for some unknown reason felt the need to defend this no hoper who gives new people to the sport a bad name....so what do we do ....help him get through it all with yet more time and advice and in cz's case gave him a ton of food...does he start taking advice ....nooooooo he ignores the guy who is there trying to be hands on....he'll have a gos next year ...then when weve helped him kill that he may get a spar....then three years down the line when he takes his mate in the back garden and shows him all the little graves, he can say how experienced he is cos he,s had loads of birds, so this will be the last piece of advice i will be giving this individual on this particular subject......LISTEN.... thats it .... good luck to the hawk...

[StormRider]

Is this the same guy who is discussed on the "Why Bother " thread.
I cant believe this guy is trying to duck and dive through the learning process without actually seeking direct help from a local mentor. When I started I found it difficult to find a local mentor. I could have just jumped in with loads of books and videos and got on with it, but I didnt. I aint trying to act the martyr here, Im just saying that I think that I have acted in the same way as most decent falconers would.
You do need to read loads of books and watch videos, but the first hand once in a lifetime experience of a mentor cannot be replaced in any form.
I just hope that this lad can see the error of his ways and turn what looks like is going to be a bad experience into a good one. The offer of help from other falconers is commendable on this site. I doubt that you would get offers like this in any other genre. No way man.

Again though, this is a classic example of the need for a simple and effective registration scheme covering apprentices.

STU

[World.Hunters]

hi here is a few pics of my bird from 2day

[World.Hunters]

this is wat she looked like when i first got her

[Addi]

ask santa for a bow perch ... that rope is just UNACCEPTABLE !

[Addi]

and why does ur bird appear to have a cable tie around her leg !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hacker]

Addi,
Looks like it is one of the cable tie rings that have been used at times.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Hmmmm. It does, but these are issued by DEFRA not for general use on non registerable birds. The last one of these on a Harris should have been around 1995! So how come its got one if thats what it is?

[FlameHairedFalconer]

I'm not going to pick, as atleast you are showing us these pics instead of just disappearing into the ether EHS.

She does appear to be in good nick. I hope you have found someone locally to help you out when you get stuck. You can replace the rope on her bow with astroturf - the rope can catch talons.

Get her flying free, and make sure you have some telemetry before you do so!

Good luck to you both - well folks we have to wish them both well, as the last thing we want next is another dead or lost harris. :(

FHF

[FlameHairedFalconer]

Hmmmm. It does, but these are issued by DEFRA not for general use on non registerable birds. The last one of these on a Harris should have been around 1995! So how come its got one if thats what it is?

Maybe shes 14 years old, not 4....

FHF

[StormRider]

That bow perch needs a good sand down and coating of enamel paint. Try either rebinding the perch with a slightly thicker rope to allow more air under the feet. Failing that then cover it with a medium height astroturf. A good cheap version you can use from recycling door mat from wilkinsons.

STU

[ChakChek]

hmmmm

still no sign of this illusive aviary then?!

[Wightwings]

good picks and the bird looks in good order.....coming that distance ( if the line was out that far) for a DoC leg says get her loose......ive seen worse bow perches just ensure it is clean and snag free but a rubber one would be best. Prob get one off e-bay cheap enough.
very valid queiry on the DEFRA tie tho?????

Glad you put the pics a couple of the housing would be nice.

Stick around and LEARN from advise and im sure peeps will get off your back.

Good hawking

Chris

[NGuruve]

he,s a lost cause that bird will just be discarded in a few years cause its a "bad harris" that wont catch anything. he will just loose intrest as he obviously doesnt take it serious enough to properly research and get experience first and he probly does have the right housing but thats not gunna feed hunt and generaly look after the bird

[Sean]

guys, aint there a cable tie phonenumber thingy, that is laminated so it doesnt cut the birds leg? i seen HM make a post on it about a year ago. maybe its one of those. nice to see some pics m8, one bit of advise would be to put the bath to the side of the perch incase he sits in it,

[World.Hunters]

i will be hunting wiv my bird most days of the week i was born into hunting started off wiv ferrets and dogs ect and now the hawk she is doing well and we seem to get on very good

yes its a cable tie with my phone number on do u guys think i should clip it off or is it ok keeping it on

[Wightwings]

think i'll leave this thread to you guys there is obviuosly something im missing here.......F-ck me EHS.....you have ticked off some peeps on here whilst i aint been posting.........

[Out Hunting]

Remove the tie even if it is sleaved! Put your number on the Tailmount. Still unsure get it chipped (+20BHP), Get a new perch, Put the bath at the SIDE of the perch, so the water dosent get dirty. Fly her free if she is doing what you are saying. Join a club.

As for The Hunting comment, every man who has ever had ferrets or lurchers seem now to have a HH, Dont brag, be modest and LISTEN to these guys!!!!:cool:

[Andy_G]

all you need to do now is acctualy ask the farmers if u can use there land and not just go on it ! lol

[Out Hunting]

Andy G has hit the nail on the head, dont go throwing the hawk out of the car window at crows (weve all seen the ebay dvds). Secure written permission and treat the land with respect. Get the farmer a bottle of wiskey at Xmas and let him know when you are going to be out hunting, if you have a good day ask him if he would like a brace of pheasants (he'll probably say no). You may have problems securing land on a shoot but dont go poaching the farming world is a very small community and once your caught or seen poaching you'll never get permission!

[World.Hunters]

cheers for advice guys i got permission on 1 field about 8 acres and another set all joined 2gether at about 100+ acers

[Out Hunting]

enjoy your hawk bud. keep us all informed!!

[MickeyDredd]

cheers for advice guys

EHS

You have already received some good advice since you posted these pics, hopefully you can post further pics to show you have taken it.

ps You must have the thickest skin known to mankind! :D

[World.Hunters]

thx pal especailly mickey and out hunting

:supz:

[World.Hunters]

and thax to every1 else i look forward to postic first pics of catches

[Osiris]

Hey m8 - you can get "ID Tubes" from westweald falconry equipment. They are quite good.

Or... You can register with the IBR and they usually send you out a closed ring to put on...

Hope she's getting on Ok... :D

Jamie

[MickeyDredd]

Or... You can register with the IBR and they usually send you out a closed ring to put on...
Jamie

How do you get one of these on an adult hawk? ;)

[Tom OGrady]

[QUOTE=E.H.S]I got my harris she is a 2 yr old female already hunted (good price at £250)just fort i let u guys know every think is going good.
she came to me at 2.10 but iv been told she flys at 2.2 so im steadly bringing weight down got it at about 2.7 1/2 at mo but she flying to me at 70 yards on creance which is getting better every day

th for u guys help

cya guys:supz:.Why not treat the hawk like an untrained bird as much as possible and determin the flying weight of the hawk yourself this way you cant go wrong.

[Osiris]

How do you get one of these on an adult hawk? ;)

Lol - different sizes m8 :D

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Lol - different sizes m8 :D
You meant a split ring for an adult bird. A closed ring too fit an adult would be like a hula hoop!

[Osiris]

You meant a split ring for an adult bird. A closed ring too fit an adult would be like a hula hoop!

Lol m8 - yes sorry - a split ring :D christmas does a lot of things to my brain :cry:

[Tr1gger]

I think its the amount of drink jamie :lol:


E.H.S u still havnt posted pics of ur aviary yet.
Im sure alot of ppl on here want to help u with ur bird jamie i no for one wants to help. But u hav threw urself in the deep end really. And all falconers alike want to look out for the wellfare of birds everywhere we hav seen it happen far to many times b4 that ppl take on birds 2 early and the bird dies. That is NOT an attack against u but thats y u r getting some of the responses that u r getting.

Give us pics of ur aviary and we shall see how it goes and help u as much as possiable ok?

[StormRider]

Lets see your aviary's m8. Would be nice to see how you have approached their design and build. Just a bit about the ring - I saw one of these on a bird last year and I think I can remember the guy saying he got it from the Bird Council.
STU

[Hacker]

Hey boys,
Loads of aviaries on the budgie keepers forum.
It`s xmas give the guy a break, he`s got the bird now so constructive critisism eh!
Keep pressurising him and he will probably say b***s to us all and then what.
Give the guy a bit of time and think back to when you all started! oh! what was that you were all perfect learners without any mistake?
And if anyone says yes?

[Pitbull]

im not defending the bloke or against as i dont know him but should the avary be such a big issue. The bird is in the process of training, as will more than likely tethered, and as discussed on a thread previous some people dont even moult in an avary. Some birds are kept in a weathering all there life. Should i be slated for having the bird im training in a brick built building of 2000sqft cause at the end of it he is still tethered with a 1m leash. What if he posts a photo of a mews that cost £50,000. will he be a good bloke then because he has money, or just because he has no avary but his bird is nailing every rabbit it sees he is no good. i know alot of you are concerned about the bird but theres no need to be setting limits such as the quality of an avary. in my opinion

[Tr1gger]

I aint trying to pressure the guy im just asking to see his aviary like he said that he would post, there is nothing wrong with that. Nobody is perfect even the most experinced falconer isnt however we can help him avoid the common mistakes.

[StormRider]

Ditto Trigger,
STU

[World.Hunters]

bird flying free 2day flys out of trees to me good aswell .very good i am very pleased :) :supz:

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

bird flying free 2day flys out of trees to me good aswell .very good i am very pleased :) :supz:
Yes, yes very nice any idiot can starve a Harris into coming back we know that. Now what about those shots of your newly built housing for this bird.

[World.Hunters]

ill put pics on soon
and wats u ***in problem wtf u going on about staving iv been bringing the weight down slower due to weather

if ur just here to talk ******** then dont post a reply on the threads :evil:

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

How long have you been practicing the sport E.H.S. ? How many dumb questions have you asked and then ignored the replies? How much help have you been offered?(Then blanked) Ive seen people like you come and go far too much over the years. Sooner licenceing comes into being the better. It will stop impulse buyers. Dont congratulate yourself for the bird coming back. Try putting your hand on your heart and saying you did everything you could for the bird in a few years time. THEN you may earn some respect back.

[UKJay74]

EHS mate do yourself a favour and post some pics of the aviary and get the ones who want to see it off your back..

this way all that you post up from then on will hopefully recieve praise not a slating . bud if your stuck and not far from me i will bob over and get the pics.

to one of you
Just been reading this thread. Is this the guy who was on about using a Gerrman Shepard with his bird? If so I can geuss where the Harris is going!

why does gsd + bird = bird in GSD????
do you know the breed well have you ever owned/trained one??

Most likely waiting till The shepherd is fit enough too run after the Harris and eat it!


and again do you know this breed in anyway?? these dogs are relentless and will track/chase down criminals for the police and continue given the chance long after the handler has given up through exhaustion (dont care if spelt right as is falconry forum not 1st year spelling b)

with regards people laying out loadsa money on dogs to work with birds what about the peeps that had (Unsuitable) dogs before they got into falconry???? myself i got a dobbie and she never looked twice at my mhh or bengal or eeo...
i know a few that have rotties and the likes and BoP but have had no worries so what is it abotu a breed of dog that makes it unsuitable to have around a BoP ????

personally i think it is more down to a dogs training

[Tr1gger]

K i can understand your anger at E.H.S however that attack was slightly unnecessary

However I am starting to become slightly frustrated at the lack of these pictures of your aviary which you have promised us and you have said that you will post them soon a few times now, is that because you haven’t actually built this and are completing the aviary now or trying to get it up to standard? If you could please post these pics ASAP.

And rock on Jay :supz:

[Adam Barrett]

i think k ment he was planning to use the dog which has itself hunted rabbits to work along side the harris.

Can you imagine what the dogs manners would be like if bird was on a kill?
if the dog flushed a rabbit it would chase etc.

surley you can see why this wouldent be a good combination, its not just to do with the breed mate.
All the best
adam

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

EHS mate do yourself a favour and post some pics of the aviary and get the ones who want to see it off your back..

this way all that you post up from then on will hopefully recieve praise not a slating . bud if your stuck and not far from me i will bob over and get the pics.

to one of you


why does gsd + bird = bird in GSD????
do you know the breed well have you ever owned/trained one??




and again do you know this breed in anyway?? these dogs are relentless and will track/chase down criminals for the police and continue given the chance long after the handler has given up through exhaustion (dont care if spelt right as is falconry forum not 1st year spelling b)

with regards people laying out loadsa money on dogs to work with birds what about the peeps that had (Unsuitable) dogs before they got into falconry???? myself i got a dobbie and she never looked twice at my mhh or bengal or eeo...
i know a few that have rotties and the likes and BoP but have had no worries so what is it abotu a breed of dog that makes it unsuitable to have around a BoP ????

personally i think it is more down to a dogs training
Its not the breed, as you say its the training. Read some of E.H.S.' other postings. Hes going on about how his dog courses rabbits! That is not a rescipe for success. Oh and yes I was brought up with Alsatians.

[Tr1gger]

Alright ppl please try to keep on topic this doesnt need to turn into a slagging match, we are trying to help E.H.S alright

[Ben C]

You can use most dogs I would imagine, but its the wrong tool for the job really. You can use a hammer to spread butter, but it will tend to make a mess of things.

[UKJay74]

i think k ment he was planning to use the dog which has itself hunted rabbits to work along side the harris.

Can you imagine what the dogs manners would be like if bird was on a kill?
if the dog flushed a rabbit it would chase etc.

surley you can see why this wouldent be a good combination, its not just to do with the breed mate.
All the best
adam


adam i know what your saying with regards a dogs manners with a bird on its prey so to speak but i speak from personall experience of handling/ training gsd's and dobbies (although i am only 31) the one gsd i have trained and my current dobbie are well mannered even without training with a bird both listen and respond well when instructed..

Back to topic though as stated get the pics sorted mate if you need help shout out (once this cold snaps gone)

[Wightwings]

i believe its an untrained Dog anyhow let alone a totally unsuitable breed to attempt to WORK with BoP as i believe that was the intention??? correct me if i am wrong......sorry but i have to agree with K on this one im starting to hear alarm bells all around EHS and some of his posts....im desperately trying to remain open minded here but.......ding ding :roll:

EHS its not a police state and your not obliged to post anything BUT if you can get the camera out an post pics of the bird why not the aviaries??.....is he in one?? if not does he live in the house?? if so just say so i know a lot of well respecte falconers that keep birds bowed or shelved in the house during the season.....

[Ben C]

Right I am off to get a chiuaua........I'll be the paris hilton of falconry :supz: :supz:

[UKJay74]

Its not the breed, as you say its the training. Read some of E.H.S.' other postings. Hes going on about how his dog courses rabbits! That is not a rescipe for success. Oh and yes I was brought up with Alsatians.


no worries i have read through this thread and as stated do himself a favour and post pics if the dog has been trained to go after rabbits forget it keep em seperate unless it is still a youngster that you can put the time effort and energy into to keep it from pounding in on the fhh an prey

ben yupps defo wrong tool for the job but hell what a nose for scent:) sorry but if they can track a criminal after half anhour of being on the scene they have great noses but really think they should be traine and brought up alongside hawks/falcons

[UKJay74]

ww i took it to read the same just had to put my opinion up :(

yupps EHS i had a harris living indoors at one point and he turned out okies all beit under different circumstances and it wasnt an ideal situation

[Ben C]

I love em UKjay....without question Alsations are a great breed. :heart: But as you say EHS seems to be mixing and matching to suit what he has; NOT to better the hawks performance in the field........even I am not that mis-guided, and thats saying something :supz:

[Wightwings]

no worries Jay not a dig at anyone just refreshing the memories about the dog he has...;-)

[UKJay74]

I love em UKjay....without question Alsations are a great breed. :heart: But as you say EHS seems to be mixing and matching to suit what he has; NOT to better the hawks performance in the field........even I am not that mis-guided, and thats saying something :supz:


mmmmm misguided nah at times i think thats me :lol: :lol:

serious note though EHS pics will stop all this i dont think anyone is after stringing you up just assurance the hawk is going okies and catered for

[World.Hunters]

ok guys ill get pics 2moz as i am not going out 2moz its just that i have been out alot with the bird and it just ****ed me off wiv comments such as starving a bird to come back

pics will be on 2moz

and yeah german shepherds are brilliant dogs :supz:

[Tr1gger]

Sorry m8 but theres no point making excuses like that, it dont take to mins to get some pics of a aviary does it?

[World.Hunters]

i know it dont ............:roll:

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Sorry m8 but theres no point making excuses like that, it dont take to mins to get some pics of a aviary does it?
Amen to that.

[Wightwings]

:rolleyes: :lol: :lol:

[UKJay's Nursey]

Been watching this thread and can understand a lot of the comments and have to agree with a majority, just show your avairy and keep em off your back ehs.

Though would like to ask if everyone else on here has showed their avairies;-)

come on mods/members show him yours i,m sure he'll show you his lol

might help who knows

[World.Hunters]

lol thats tru

:supz:

[Wightwings]

look thro the archives youll see plenty of mine......and the birds........AND the dog..........;-)

[UKJay74]

look thro the archives youll see plenty of mine......and the birds........AND the dog..........;-)
WW i dont think my other half was solely on about you but i know not every person/Mod has posted a pic of their aviary/Mews

i think this is what she was getting at

[Ben C]

Have a butchers at mine then if you wish???????

[UKJay74]

Have a butchers at mine then if you wish???????

good to see one whos next??

E.H.S come on and i aint taking a pop just trying to get everyone on a level pegging;)

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Heres mine (**** pictures though).

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

oops missed a bit! You can however play spot the Jerkin.

[UKJay74]

oops missed a bit! You can however play spot the Jerkin.
nice one K anyone else??

[World.Hunters]

got to admit pal they are nice avairies how many birds u got

[MickeyDredd]

got to admit pal they are nice avairies how many birds u got

never mind brown-nosing get your pics up ;) :lol:

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

never mind brown-nosing get your pics up ;) :lol:
I tend too agree. BUT fifteen falcons, two Harris', two eagles and an owl.

[Tim Laycock]

Here is mine

[Wightwings]

christ some good stuff there guys.......well EHS

[UKJay74]

christ some good stuff there guys.......well EHS

ww we need more posts to show that we aint all shy;)

[Hacker]

Blackbird,
I like the glass blocks, adds a touch of de j,vue
I bet you are one of these kinkly ******s with a shower made out of the stuff Eh!
Aka Sharon stone?

[Tim Laycock]

Kinky?
Me?
Who would believe such a thing?

Rofpmsl :lol:

[Wightwings]

NOOOOO Tim your getting confused AGAIN......there is a diff between KINKY and PERVERSED..........pmsl.......:roll: :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

But Im neither!

Im depraved :twisted:

[PlumbRite]

Hi Guys...

Got a second-hand FH, one of this years babies and ive been trying to get her trained. She comes to the glove for food, on a 6` training leash but sometimes she appears to be coming at me (or rather at my face), rather than at the glove. Shes incredibly keen even tho shes well fed. Is this normal for young Harrises when they are being trained? Shes had me once in the face (in a trivial incident) and im keen it doesnt happen again. She really nails the food on the glove too, gripping it as tho it was live quarry. Will she grow out of this "super-enthusiasm". Any help would be appreciated.

Plumber (West Sussex)

[Roo]

Hi Guys...

Got a second-hand FH, one of this years babies and ive been trying to get her trained. She comes to the glove for food, on a 6` training leash but sometimes she appears to be coming at me (or rather at my face), rather than at the glove. Shes incredibly keen even tho shes well fed. Is this normal for young Harrises when they are being trained? Shes had me once in the face (in a trivial incident) and im keen it doesnt happen again. She really nails the food on the glove too, gripping it as tho it was live quarry. Will she grow out of this "super-enthusiasm". Any help would be appreciated.

Plumber (West Sussex)

You may do better posting this as a seperate topic.
Out of interest, where is your fist for these flights, e.g. in front or out to the side?

Could make a difference if she's going for your face:?:

And I'm sure the others will ask about weights and keel.

[UKJay74]

have to agree with roo
Plumb where is the fist and the likes but also a btter place to ask is a new topic

[Out Hunting]

EHS,
As i have said to you before, there is a welth of knowledge on this forum and most people will give you good advice and be happy to help. You will only ailianate them, and no help will be forth coming if you do not post up the pics of your aivery or mews. Must admit i haven't read all the posts as to how the aviery issue became so important. as for the dog issue not everyone has the space or money for a GWP or a brace of spaniels, anyway, that is beside the point, give everyone a picture and keep them off your back

[Hacker]

Heres a pic of my aviary!

[Out Hunting]

You would not believe he keeps his male goldie in there, in the corner of his lounge!!

[Wightwings]

pmsl........nice one.....Plimber were is west sussex are you.......pm if you like

[World.Hunters]

here is pics of avairyim getting sum line-o soon to put on floor and about 3 foot up each side

[Tr1gger]

where?

[World.Hunters]

here u go

[Shaun Byrne]

Better than nowt!!:roll:

[Addi]

you would be better with sand than lineo, at least it will absorb the mutes, if you put lineo down and the bird bates she will end up covered in mutes

[Sean]

nice mews m8 :)

[World.Hunters]

cheers sean

- i was going to have lineo then on top of that pea gravel

[Rocky]

No good posting a pic of my avaries they are all solid enclosed ones so you wouldn't see much but wooden sides
E.H.S Did you buy your HH locally,only reason i asked is that i'm from the same part of the uk as you and i might know some history of the bird or the seller

[World.Hunters]

the guy lived about an hour and half away where in notts u from m8

[Out Hunting]

EHS

Nice mews mate, well done. :supz: :supz:

[Fletch]

Sorry to disagree, I think your avairy looks small for a Harris.

[Harris110773]

hi ehs now you have posted a pic of your aviry and the magority of ppl that have posted a reply seem to think that it is ok can i ask how big it is thanks andy

[Tim Laycock]

I hope your bird is going to be tethered in there.

[Fletch]

I find it quite worrying that E.H.S has been congratulated on his avairy, I'm no expert, but I have read the books, taken the advice, taken the time to reseach, and nowhere can I remember seeing or hearing that an avairy like his is appropriate for a female Harris. Think before you post guys.

[Murph]

I think his place will do for a start! however if she is free lofted it looks a bit small. However if your going to fly her loads its not a prob! When it comes to moult you might have issues with fitness etc!

Anyway im new to this so only going of what i know! I would try and extened at some point!

Good luck:supz:

[Murph]

I agree with Blackbird tethered in there until you extened! didnt make that clear.

[Sean]

is the whole hting the mews? what size is it anyway

[Pitbull]

is the whole hting the mews? what size is it anyway

looks like an 8x6

[Out Hunting]

The comment was 'Nice Mews' ie great for a teathered bird. i assumed that it was a mews and not an avery due to the fact that there are no visible perches and the bird is still in training!!

[Fletch]

I assumed it was for freelofting as there appears to be a double door.

[Shaun Byrne]

The comment was 'Nice Mews' ie great for a teathered bird. i assumed that it was a mews and not an avery due to the fact that there are no visible perches and the bird is still in training!!

Exactly:supz:

Its not ideal but a lot better than his bird being boxed or left in the open every night.

[Ben C]

Harris Hawk???....................I thought he said scops owl. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Hacker]

I think it is now have a dig for the sake of it!
How many birds will spend their lives either on a bow perch or block/screen perch even when moulting out in their weatherings come mews.
Why don`t you do a poll to see how many people free loft their birds?
And as for all these people that have not even got a BOP but they have read a book!...................Yeah.

[Pitbull]

I think it is now have a dig for the sake of it!
How many birds will spend their lives either on a bow perch or block/screen perch even when moulting out in their weatherings come mews.
Why don`t you do a poll to see how many people free loft their birds?
And as for all these people that have not even got a BOP but they have read a book!...................Yeah.

theres already been a poll on bow, block, or free flight when moulting

[Out Hunting]

I think Hacker has 'hit the nail on the head' a lot of people on this forum are giving advice to people with out a bird of there own, only a copy of one of the many falconry books. Now the guy has a bird lets all help him and not treat him as an outcast. It is his choice then as to wether he listens or not. There are many 'falconers'(used in the loosest context) who put there bird out to weather during the day and then box them up every night, at least this is not hapening in this case. I reckon he is doing what his finances/curcumstances allow. I mean, if you all want to 'slate' someone look at the post ' help needed....urgently' Now can we give this guy a break, Oh and Help.

[Hacker]

"Quote Outhunting
think Hacker has 'hit the nail on the head' a lot of people on this forum are giving advice to people with out a bird of there own, only a copy of one of the many falconry books. Now the guy has a bird lets all help him and not treat him as an outcast. It is his choice then as to wether he listens or not. There are many 'falconers'(used in the loosest context) who put there bird out to weather during the day and then box them up every night, at least this is not hapening in this case. I reckon he is doing what his finances/curcumstances allow. I mean, if you all want to 'slate' someone look at the post ' help needed....urgently' Now can we give this guy a break, Oh and Help."
well said that man.:supz:

[World.Hunters]

it is an 8x6 she is tetherd but has enough room for ect she is able to manoover good enough and i have the double door system just incase and i store some equipment in that section

[Dave G]

my weathering is 8x6 and i think this is plenty big enough for my male harris who is free lofted 24/7 , and flown most days weather permitted as hes quite happy to chill on his favourite perch and chill so wots up with an 8x6 weathering sounds to me like people are having a dig at this chap for previous posting ,come on falconers help him not knock him for the sake of them both thanx

[Tr1gger]

my weathering is 8x6 and i think this is plenty big enough for my male harris who is free lofted 24/7 , and flown most days weather permitted as hes quite happy to chill on his favourite perch and chill so wots up with an 8x6 weathering sounds to me like people are having a dig at this chap for previous posting ,come on falconers help him not knock him for the sake of them both thanx

Well said :supz:

8 X 6 is plenty for weathering, and its a gd idea to store some equipment in that second bit E.H.S, it oculd be bashed through to increase size if need be but for weathering it should be fine

[Ben C]

Hacker:

If EHS has done his homework and is rattling along well with his mentor/club/local falconer then he isn't going to worry about a few comments.

But when it comes to the moult (4 months maybe???) then an extention and a few trips to B&Q will be in order.

[Hacker]

Or maybe BBQ:-D :-D :-D

[Ben C]

If thats the case i'll bring the ale :supz:

[Rocky]

i'm not far from Eastwood,whereabouts are you???
If your not that far away from me and you need any advice or a helping hand i'll gladly help you out.
Mel

[Harris110773]

hi i have got enough room to fill an aviry of that size but only a couple of foot around it left to walk around so wile i am not flying my bird is 8x6 ok to free loft a male harris and also can i ask if it were to get to cold would i need to fit some sort of shutters and a hearter or would it be better to take my bird insde bareing in mind i havent got the bird yet thanks

[World.Hunters]

cheers guys

i was thinking of putting some weather resistance blinds or sumet or just sum big peices of wood on hindges

wat u lot think

[UKJay74]

ehs mate good looking mews (specially through flying season) but when moult comes round pref before get to b & q and extend :D good to see you posted in the end

[StormRider]

Just keep on soaking up this advice EHS and u wont go wrong. By the way have u sorted out yourself a local mentor?
STU

[Tr1gger]

Ur goin good m8 keep it up

[Moses]

Here is mine


blackbird i luv your mews mate, quality

more pics pls

[Fawkes]

Does no one else have a problem with the uncoated wire mesh? I've always been taught that vertical bars are the way to go - saves on feathers and other injuries when free lofted. I understand that the bird is tethered now, but that begs to question why two walls are open? Wouldn't the wind/cold have more effect on a tethered bird close to the floor - esp a Harris - if there's two open walls?

Granted I maybe a birdless newbie quoting books, but Nick Fox mentions that a BOP only needs a small window to look out of?
(And yes, I still consider myself a newbie after flying birds for a center for two years :P)