injured little spar!!! [Archive] - Falconry Forum (IFF)

BHawk

31-12-2005, 05:36 PM

hey ive just been given an injured spar found in a friends garden, her right wing is broken so ive cleaned it up and put it in a splint, that seems to be the only injury visible so ive left some food in with her and a small dish of water, keeping her nice and warm and in the dark to help with the shock, she already has food in her crop so she must've killed recently and she seems fit although keel is a bit sharp, just wondering if anyone can give me any other advice and any alternative ways of treatment, whatevers best for the bird! oh an she seems to be a first year bird. cheers

Biarmicus

31-12-2005, 06:00 PM

I have never rehabilitated a raptor before as I believe it is against the law in Ontario unless it's a licenced rehabilitator caring for the bird.

Could you contact a local falconry centre or an avian vet?

I believe there are a couple vets on here that might be able to help you out.

Good luck with the Spar,

Brittney

Tim Laycock

31-12-2005, 06:56 PM

This will upset the tree huggers and lentil suckers on here!

If its wing is broken AND YOU ARE CERTAIN OF THIS the best thing you can do is to break its neck and bury it in the garden!

The nature of this accipiter is that it darts between bushes and snatches songbirds from the air, A goshawk for example could be rehabilitated and survive well in the wild.

A sparrowhawk with a broken wing will never reattain the level of agility required and even if fully healed its wing will never be fully functional

Im sure you will do the right thing.

Juzzer

31-12-2005, 07:01 PM

always speak the truth bb i respect you for that m8.:lol:

As The Falcon Her Bells

31-12-2005, 07:23 PM

Im sorry to Say this to you Ben, but BB is absolutely right,
also, you SHOULD NOT attemt to splint it yourself anyway, any vet know how to splint a bone and should do it free off charge. If you splint it the chanse of it healing wrong is far greater, how did you know it was broken??
ATB
Sara

Tim Laycock

31-12-2005, 07:26 PM

Thanks, Means a lot to know that not all members require a sugar coating layed upon things

As The Falcon Her Bells

31-12-2005, 07:35 PM

Thanks a lot BB
I been tempted to mentioned this subject a few times when someone on here suggest to buy in injured/misstreated birds and "look after" them. Many times the most humane thing to do is to "put them to sleap" to put it nicely, but most people have a habit of threating the birds after what we think is nice, not whats nice to the bird....
But I always think I would be ripped in to pieces and prob. kicked off the forum......

ScotsFalconer

31-12-2005, 07:39 PM

dont listen to the wally that said break its neck. take it to a vet they should do it for free or if u cant be bothered phone raptor rescue they will take it off you. it should be a vets decision wether to put it to sleep or not. you should not take it upon urself, u r not experienced enought. Spars are hardy we birds and usually survive if they get over the shock. u did the right thing imobalizing the wing nd getting it into a warm dark room. get it to a vet quick.

Tim Laycock

31-12-2005, 08:39 PM

ATFHB, The magic is that I dont care if I get banned/kicked off, I speak my mind regardless!

Spars are hardy we birds and usually survive if they get over the shock.

Im glad I got in with an injection of sense before the above statment was made!

Anyone worth anything on here knows what an utter load of balls this is!!!!!!! :roll:

Adam Barrett

31-12-2005, 08:59 PM

my HH recently took a little owl-know how fagile these birds are.

you are insane if you are sayying spars are hardy birds especially the muskets-by far the most fagile raptor commonly used in falconry imho.

get the bird to a vets mate if you have splinted the joint incorrrectly the bones will fuse very quickley -making the bird totally useless-both in falconry and in the wild.

Take it to a vets mate or take bb's advice-do whats best for the bird.

As The Falcon Her Bells

01-01-2006, 01:51 AM

[quote=Blackbird]ATFHB, The magic is that I dont care if I get banned/kicked off, I speak my mind regardless!

I know...I noticed...
But if you get kicked off we cant enjoy your good advice!!!
I speak mine to, but try to not rubb people upp the wrong way (unless I disslike them)
Ben, take the bird to the vet, ore phone me and Ill sort it. Sophie have my phone number.

Game & Pursuit Falcon UK

01-01-2006, 02:01 AM

BB is right the long term prognosiss for this bird is not good. The ammount of suffering coursed during the treatment and due to the treatment means one thing. Humanely let it go!

Jester

01-01-2006, 10:36 AM

oh no something is going sooooooo very wrong in my head http://yelims3.free.fr/Hein/Hein85.gif
im agreeing with BB http://yelims3.free.fr/Hein/Hein85.gif

but i would take it to a vet first just to be sure it was broken and had no chance of full recovery

James_Falconry1

01-01-2006, 11:33 AM

Break its neck. If its done wrong it will ne nackered and even if its fixed right it will never be perfect and as spars rely on that speed and agility it wont have it anymore. Dont risk ruining its life.

Tim Laycock

01-01-2006, 01:50 PM

oh no something is going sooooooo very wrong in my head http://yelims3.free.fr/Hein/Hein85.gif
im agreeing with BB http://yelims3.free.fr/Hein/Hein85.gif

:shock: :yawinkle:

NGuruve

01-01-2006, 01:57 PM

yep i agree crik its neck its kinda

ScotsFalconer

01-01-2006, 04:26 PM

u guys all think u know it all. Load of ****. dot take any advice from any1 on here cause unless there rehabilitators they know nothing. no matter how much experience. get it to a vet or rator rescue

Game & Pursuit Falcon UK

01-01-2006, 04:31 PM

u guys all think u know it all. Load of ****. dot take any advice from any1 on here cause unless there rehabilitators they know nothing. no matter how much experience. get it to a vet or rator rescue
I used to have to deal with rehab and the ammount of do gooders that release/Condemn birds by release is scandalous. This is a performance bird thats got a major flaw. Uthenasia is sometimes the kindest tool at our disposal. "Dont take advice from anyone on here" whats the point of the forum then?

As The Falcon Her Bells

01-01-2006, 04:53 PM

u guys all think u know it all. Load of ****. dot take any advice from any1 on here cause unless there rehabilitators they know nothing. no matter how much experience. get it to a vet or rator rescue

I would not advice Ben to wring its neck, I would advice him to conntact someone knowledgeble enough to see if the wing is badly strained ore broken. This could be a vet, and the vet always conntacts a falconer/breeder straight away anyway as they dont really know how to look after a raptor. Then it is up to that peson to take the step from there, however, I agree with everyone on here except you, if the wing is broken them to kill it is the best option for the bird. If not, what would you recomend for it? Forget to ever release it back to the wild, no chanse, so as we given our opinion, what would yours be?

Hells99

01-01-2006, 05:07 PM

As The Falcon Her Bells

01-01-2006, 05:18 PM

And what would the life be like for the spar?? A wild bird that can never go back to the wild, I have a feeling that the chance of that breeding being pretty slim, and the re relising of young??? Are you absolute 100% sure as this is illigel unless the spieces is threathed and you are doing a recognised realising program.

Hells99

01-01-2006, 05:25 PM

ATFHB,

yes it is recognised and licensed the London Veterinary School use the foundation for training.

Helen

Hells99

01-01-2006, 05:32 PM

Just been looking through my update from the foundation - between Aug and Oct 2005 1 spar was put into lifgecare, 9 were released and 2 died

Game & Pursuit Falcon UK

01-01-2006, 05:50 PM

I know at the Raptor Foundation we have released Spars after medical treatment and hacking. Any birds they cannot release are put into breeding pens, if appropriate, and then their parent reared youngsters are released in their stead.
Why release Sparrowhawks? They are at very high numbers. All you manage to do by interfering like this is put more strain on prey species and habittat. If they were absent all well and good. But fluffy lets put one back conservationism is missplaced and missguided.

Hells99

01-01-2006, 05:54 PM

Why release Sparrowhawks? They are at very high numbers. All you manage to do by interfering like this is put more strain on prey species and habittat. If they were absent all well and good. But fluffy lets put one back conservationism is missplaced and missguided.
I respect your opinion and to some degree understand it but I have a different opinion. If they are healthy enough after treatment then they sould be released, imho.

Helen

As The Falcon Her Bells

01-01-2006, 06:57 PM

I respect your opinion and to some degree understand it but I have a different opinion. If they are healthy enough after treatment then they sould be released, imho.

Helen
I agree on that Helen, but only if it is likely that the threatment will 100% recover the bird shoud it be carryed out, as there is A LOT of stress on the bird to be "rehab".
Also, how many of the released ones where breed in captivety from an injured wild parent?
If you know?

Hells99

01-01-2006, 07:06 PM

I agree on that Helen, but only if it is likely that the threatment will 100% recover the bird shoud it be carryed out, as there is A LOT of stress on the bird to be "rehab".
Also, how many of the released ones where breed in captivety from an injured wild parent?
If you know?
All of the ones released in those stats were brought in as injured wild birds, so we were only returning them to the wild where they belong. so far we haven't (to my knowledge) released any wild spars as we have only just gained an irrecoverable male to breed with the disabled female. We have a hacking pen and a huge helicopter hangar to use as a 'gymnasium' for recovering wild birds - the only contact with humans after treatment is a hand throwing in food.

As The Falcon Her Bells

01-01-2006, 07:15 PM

What will you do with the potentionall young?

Hells99

01-01-2006, 07:27 PM

If suitable they will be put into either release or breeding programs. Several EEO's were sent to a European breeding and release programme in 04

As The Falcon Her Bells

01-01-2006, 07:35 PM

Do you know where in Europe?
I personally can not see the point in breeding spars unless for falconry, as it would have only negative effect on the wild population.
I am not against rehab, but I think everything has a limit, and the welfare for the birds should be the main tought (unless they are rare as then welfare for the speices is more important, but there is hardly many rare bop in the Uk any more).
We seem to "save" to much that nature intended to eradicate for one reason ore another. I have seen sk. rehab birds with damaged useless wings, one eye, one leg (massive bumblefoot on the remaining foot) and it is really sad that people can see this as "helping", in my opinion it is cruelty.
But Im not saying you are one of this ore having a go at you, so dont get me wrong, just discussing in general.
What happened to the originall poster by the way!!??

Hells99

01-01-2006, 07:35 PM

Please find attached a link to the stats I suppplied earlier - it will also allow you to browse the site for the foundation http://www.raptorfoundation.org.uk/200511nl.html

As The Falcon Her Bells

01-01-2006, 07:44 PM

Thanks a lot Helen
LOL, now I know who RF are, heard all sorts about them good and bad, but dont we about all centres??
Anyway, we might have diffrent wievs on things but that does not matter!
I am highly alergic against Harry Potter and owls being mentioned together, but thats again is up to me.

Hells99

01-01-2006, 07:49 PM

LOL! Good man, to each his or her own! We all do the best we can as we see it and good luck to all of us ! :)

As The Falcon Her Bells

01-01-2006, 08:05 PM

This just proves it, if we where blokes: by now we would be getting warned by Andy to behave ore he close the thread, ore it would be closed allready as we would have been threatening to come and shut the other one up!!
wimen should be ruling...;) there would be no wars (unless you count old Maggi as a woman, but she was more in the man catagory lol)

ChakChek

01-01-2006, 08:08 PM

i say well done to the fella that tried to help it regardless to how much of a waste of time/bad idea or whatever the other opinions flying about are. at least he tried with the birds best intrests at heart

Game & Pursuit Falcon UK

01-01-2006, 08:10 PM

I know at the Raptor Foundation we have released Spars after medical treatment and hacking. Any birds they cannot release are put into breeding pens, if appropriate, and then their parent reared youngsters are released in their stead.
The releasing the off spring part was what I was refering to. Not the putting back of wild specemins.

Hells99

01-01-2006, 08:16 PM

Bear with me...

In a previous post in this thread I put: 'so far we haven't (to my knowledge) released any wild spars as we have only just gained an irrecoverable male to breed with the disabled female'

We'll have to se how things go and then go forward from there

MickeyDredd

02-01-2006, 01:43 AM

What will you do with the potentionall young?

If suitable they will be put into either release or breeding programs.

Helen

With the current pressure from pigeon fanciers etc for a cull on wild spars what is the rationale behind breeding and releasing young, captive bred spars which will only add to the wild population?