Nad Al Shiba Falcon Centre

[Hawkmaster]

The Nad Al Shiba Avian Reproduction Research Centre opened in the spring of 2001 and currently has 48 breeding chambers, 24 for natural pairs and 24 for imprints. A new imprint block consisting of 12 chambers is due for completion in 2001.http://www.nadalshibafalcons.com/main.html

[AvianManagement]

2008 update

We currently have 112 breeding chambers

Two outdoor hack pens, one is 100 feet across the other is 300 feet by 100 feet

One indoor hack pen 300 feet by 100 feet

[Hawkmaster]

Can you put pictures up for us David that sounds amazing!:supz:

[Bashaaar]

David , Do you breed Per x Prairie falcon in your project ? better you put some photos if you do so .

Regards,

[AvianManagement]

No we don't breed any peregrine prairies, I don't think they woudl sell well here in the UAE.

[AvianManagement]

Can you put pictures up for us David that sounds amazing!:supz:

http://www.avianmanagement.com/images/hackpen.jpg

[Kentish Falconry]

It has improved a bit since I was there last David. Hope the season is going well for you :)
You forgot to send me the Beta copy of Visual to test, it's not too late yet as we still have a lot of birds laying and expect to be running into June again this year
Terry

[AvianManagement]

It has improved a bit since I was there last David. Hope the season is going well for you :)
You forgot to send me the Beta copy of Visual to test, it's not too late yet as we still have a lot of birds laying and expect to be running into June again this year
Terry

This was taken last year. We have now done away with the artifical lights and have all natural sunlight in there now.

No I haven't forgottnen Terry, I am just sorting a few bugs out before we send it to you. We can fix data issues here by hand easily, but if you had it then and had the sort of issues we are currently picking up on then it would mean you having to enter all your data by hand again.

But since it will import frm AIMS anyay, and you woudl still I assume be entering yoru data into that, then maybe next week I can send youa beta copy and you can play with it. Then when it is all stable just import from AIMS and off you go.

[Kentish Falconry]

This was taken last year. We have now done away with the artifical lights and have all natural sunlight in there now.

No I haven't forgottnen Terry, I am just sorting a few bugs out before we send it to you. We can fix data issues here by hand easily, but if you had it then and had the sort of issues we are currently picking up on then it would mean you having to enter all your data by hand again.

But since it will import frm AIMS anyay, and you woudl still I assume be entering yoru data into that, then maybe next week I can send youa beta copy and you can play with it. Then when it is all stable just import from AIMS and off you go.

OK thanks David, I will have to try and get down to see you this year I just couldn't get away last year but I will do my best in September/October
Terry

[Brian Sullivan]

2008 update

We currently have 112 breeding chambers

Two outdoor hack pens, one is 100 feet across the other is 300 feet by 100 feet

One indoor hack pen 300 feet by 100 feet


I visited David at Nad al Shiba last Summer and here are some photographs for the tour. David was a real gentlemen and helpful to our trip. I had to shrink the photo's down to fit in attachments so it takes away from the real size of this place.

[Brian Sullivan]

Here are more pictures of Nad Al Shiba

[AvianManagement]

I visited David at Nad al Shiba last Summer and here are some photographs for the tour. David was a real gentlemen and helpful to our trip. I had to shrink the photo's down to fit in attachments so it takes away from the real size of this place.

These show the natural light. There is no artifical light at all in the pictures of the inside hack pen Brian took

[Paco]

I see, the circular seems to be done of mesh wire. Don,t cause it feathers damage??

[PrinceOfTheWesternDesert]

what kind of temperatures are naturally occurring, in the area where the project is located?
and what kind of humidity?
i had always assumed that dubai had very high temperatures, and near zero humidity,,
if this is the case,,what measures are taken (if any) to cool the gyrfalcons?
perhaps the coastal location of dubai , lends itself to a more mild climate then i am imagining,,

[AvianManagement]

what kind of temperatures are naturally occurring, in the area where the project is located?
and what kind of humidity?
i had always assumed that dubai had very high temperatures, and near zero humidity,,
if this is the case,,what measures are taken (if any) to cool the gyrfalcons?
perhaps the coastal location of dubai , lends itself to a more mild climate then i am imagining,,

The indoor pen is totally air conditioned, so heat an humidity are not an issue.

In the outdoor pens we have very large cooling fan units that keep the central corridor on the large on cooled and one side on the 'small' round one cooled.

We get upto 38 degrees, maybe a little more and sometimes high humidity in summer.

We tend now to use the indoor pen for the gyrs, although they seems OK in the outdoor ones with the fans going

[AvianManagement]

I see, the circular seems to be done of mesh wire. Don,t cause it feathers damage??

We have had no issue with feather damage, possible due to the large size of the pen, 100 feet across. The mesh is plastic coated chainlink

Before we rlease a bird into teh outdoor pen we soak it so slow it down, but once they have been in theer for 1/2 an hour they are fine. We havn't had any issues with birds crashing into the sides, they tend to just go around if they are nervious

[PrinceOfTheWesternDesert]

The indoor pen is totally air conditioned, so heat an humidity are not an issue.

In the outdoor pens we have very large cooling fan units that keep the central corridor on the large on cooled and one side on the 'small' round one cooled.

We get upto 38 degrees, maybe a little more and sometimes high humidity in summer.

We tend now to use the indoor pen for the gyrs, although they seems OK in the outdoor ones with the fans going

the overhead involved must be astounding,,
is there any solar, or wind power involved in the project?

[AvianManagement]

the overhead involved must be astounding,,
is there any solar, or wind power involved in the project?

No it's all main electric.

Once the indoor building gets down to temp it's quite efficent as we have very good insulation, all wall are constructed of insulated block.

The outdoor coolomng fans run by means of water evaporation, and yes they do use a lot of water.

[Paco]

David, is not the evaporative ventilation a risk for Aspergillosis because of the high humidity.

[AvianManagement]

David, is not the evaporative ventilation a risk for Aspergillosis because of the high humidity.

No, we run F10 through it so that the moist air coming out of teh fans is actually benificail against asper. We use a dosatron to control the amount in the water.

[Paco]

Ok David , it seems you think in all. I have some dosatron because i have a farm and i use it to give water medication.
At what dilution do you use F10 ?

[AvianManagement]

Ok David , it seems you think in all. I have some dosatron because i have a farm and i use it to give water medication.
At what dilution do you use F10 ?

In the fans for teh outdoor pen 1:1000

In foggers for the room with falcons in 1:250

In my quail farm water syupply 1:2000

For egg dipping 1:250

[Hawkmaster]

But since it will import frm AIMS anyay, and you woudl still I assume be entering yoru data into that, then maybe next week I can send youa beta copy and you can play with it. Then when it is all stable just import from AIMS and off you go.
I would not mind testing it either please.

Thanks for sharing, it is truly remarkable!:supz:

[Brian Sullivan]

the overhead involved must be astounding,,
is there any solar, or wind power involved in the project?

No, what is astounding is the number of Gyrfalcons they have!!

[AvianManagement]

I would not mind testing it either please.

Thanks for sharing, it is truly remarkable!:supz:

Hi Paul,

OK I'll send you a copy as well as soon as I have ironed out the bugs that we know about, not too many

But please remember this is a beta copy and there will be bugs in it and a lot of feature still to impliment.

Having said that it is light years ahead of the old version in terms of easy of use and user interface.

[PrinceOfTheWesternDesert]

No, what is astounding is the number of Gyrfalcons they have!!

actually that doesnt impress me,,as much
ive known many people who sunk tremendous amounts of money into livestock projects,,(horses,dogs)and those birds cost how much? nothing by comparison,, the important thing is whether or not you can sustain the project for any amount of time,,
if the whole thing is bankrupt in 2 years because the overhead ate it all up,, it doesnt matter how many gyrfalcons you have,,
also,, quality matters,,obvioiusly the nadal shiba site has been concieved with alot of forthought ,and they are ready to handle the size project they have made,,
i have seen other projects with cages full of 30 young gyrs at a time,, and birds perched,on makeshift blocks, with poorly fitted equipment,obviously the result of bad planning,, and working hard for "numbers of birds" without being prepared for the harvest when it arrives,,,
i think this looks like the best private breeding project i have ever seen,,
the building,, design, and amount of work undertaken impresses me,,

[AvianManagement]

actually that doesnt impress me,,as much
ive known many people who sunk tremendous amounts of money into livestock projects,,(horses,dogs)and those birds cost how much? nothing by comparison,, the important thing is whether or not you can sustain the project for any amount of time,,
if the whole thing is bankrupt in 2 years because the overhead ate it all up,, it doesnt matter how many gyrfalcons you have,,
also,, quality matters,,obvioiusly the nadal shiba site has been concieved with alot of forthought ,and they are ready to handle the size project they have made,,
i have seen other projects with cages full of 30 young gyrs at a time,, and birds perched,on makeshift blocks, with poorly fitted equipment,obviously the result of bad planning,, and working hard for "numbers of birds" without being prepared for the harvest when it arrives,,,
i think this looks like the best private breeding project i have ever seen,,
the building,, design, and amount of work undertaken impresses me,,

I totally agree with you.

We are not into numbers, but quality. We have a large number of pairs of gyrs, around fifty pairs plus imprints, and genetically probaly the best selection anywhere.

We are a comercial operation, even now with all the overheads of depreciation on construction and plant, running costs etc we still turn a profit.

Comapired to horse prices our birds are nothing, well most are.

I'm very fortunate in that teh owner of the centre is not looking for a quick return on his investment, but wants quality and so long as teh center pays it's own way he is happy. Each year our production is increaseing in terms of quantity, and more improtanbtly quality.

When we started some people laughed at us and said that it would never work in our indoor environment and out here in the Gulf. I think now they think differently!

[Crawford]

Totally impressive, Quality:supz:

[qqrooney]

Avian,

How do we go about ordering birds ? I am interested in pure gyrs and gyr/sakers for the upcoming season, do you have anything available and contact information would be great. Thanks