psycho male '05 altai saker

[UKJay74]

after the tragic loss of my mhh last year to a weak heart and my bengal to a stoat or the likes i found a great big hole in my days and sought out another bird

the land i have available and quarry dictated a longwing would be better than a hawk so i chose an altai saker

I picked up an '05 male altai saker weighed in at 1lb12.5 out of the hack pen boxed him up for the drive home.

got home after 8 hours in total on the road and rain sleet and snow and am at the very least very pleased with him . Sat with him on the fist last night hooded to get him used to being on the fist.

got up today to work on making him to the hood sat in a darkened room and started the process describes in emma fords falconry art and practice all was going well till the third attepmt to removed the hood when he baited so looks like i am looking at a long process..

More to come as and when

[BFC 007]

hows irthlingborough mate? only 1/2 hour from me.
what you going to be flying at with him,need any help just ask mate
cheers
paul

[UKJay74]

hi paul irthlingborough is great with plenty f open land available and just arranged some more today :D

i would like to have used him on game have loads of duck pheasant and the odd gull straying into the area but i think he will be entered onto young corvids in the area

cheers for the offer paul :D where abouts are you??

[BFC 007]

just outside milton keynes mate-on the wellingborough side

[UKJay74]

not too far then :D i am finding this country and sport a lot smaller than i thought it to be with people closer than i thought :D

[BFC 007]

:supz:
good luck with him jay,should be flying free end of the week lol

[UKJay74]

I wish the lil ****** aint doing to well being made to the hood gets to 3rd removal and bates :( but i will persavere and get him there

[BFC 007]

still early days for him jay,dont expect too much. man him up good & the next few days will all fall into place. is he hooded when not on the fist?

[UKJay74]

yes he is at the moment as i dont want to stress him out when takeing him up to work with
he has only been here since last night

[BFC 007]

yeah thats cool mate best for him at the moment.

[UKJay74]

cheers for the reassurance mate is my first long wing so a major learning curve for me and all new

[BFC 007]

anytime mate :wink:

[UKJay's Nursey]

he is a lovely bird i,m just gonna sit back and watch and learn from jay,till i get my harris and then woohooo.

cant wait to psycho out flying though:D :D

[UKJay74]

well picked psycho up today and he was rather chilled out allowing me to touch his chest,feet, and beak with no problems, i sat with him on the fist hooded for a while so he settled nicely and decided to see how he was out of the hood in daylight so loosened the straps on the hood and left it sat undone on his head for 10 seconds or so then removed the hood.. He sat looking at me as if to say yes and you want :lol: not once did he bait and he just sat taking in the world :D :D i noticed him focus on an object in the corner of the room and start to bob his head so on went the hood before he bated :D

i will complete this section after i have tried him with some food later


Update well just fed him on the fist hood off food on glove no interest so rehooded and waitied 5 mins unhooded and offered food by hand and he took it and sat happily munching on the glove

[BFC 007]

what telemetry do you have for the little fella jay?

[UKJay74]

tempory solution jerros but looking at marshal or luksander have a marshall tx here but no rx

[Cyclone]

hey,my male sakers fat weight is 2lb, does this mean hes a altai saker? because as far as i knew i thought he was just a regular falco cherrug? lol but now im thinking....
cheers cyclone

[UKJay74]

i think it all depends:D if he came out of a seclusion pen at 2lb are u sure it is male and not female??psycho has been in a hack pen for a while building up muscle:) heavier than fat so i think personally an dmay get slaughtered for the comment you have a falco cherrug and there it ends

i dot prfess to know longwing species but i believe mine to be a falco cherrug altaicus

[Kentish Falconry]

hey,my male sakers fat weight is 2lb, does this mean hes a altai saker? because as far as i knew i thought he was just a regular falco cherrug? lol but now im thinking....
cheers cyclone

No Cyclone..... what it means is the bird has been in the Hack Pen and has burned off all the fat flying around so he has lost weight but gained some muscle and is almost at hunting weight now. Cutting too much off him now will remove muscle not fat.
Terry

[UKJay74]

No Cyclone..... what it means is the bird has been in the Hack Pen and has burned off all the fat flying around so he has lost weight but gained some muscle and is almost at hunting weight now. Cutting too much off him now will remove muscle not fat.
Terry


so speaks the boss he knows my altai more than do :D

[Red-Devil]

easy does it jay slow is fast !!!

[UKJay74]

easy does it jay slow is fast !!!
this is the aim of the game mate i dont want psycho messed up by me being a prat so to speak

[Cyclone]

kk wel thats sorted cheers jay and terry lol
cyclone

[BFC 007]

tempory solution jerros but looking at marshal or luksander have a marshall tx here but no rx


reason i asked jay is im on 173 might be able to help you if ever psycho goes awol
u on 173 or 216?

[UKJay74]

reason i asked jay is im on 173 might be able to help you if ever psycho goes awol
u on 173 or 216?


marshal rt+ on 173 just need to replace the ariel as this one is mangled

and thanks for the offer paul :D i think i will have to try get an meet up with you sometime for a chat is good to have someone close by :D

[UKJay74]

well last night due to psycho taking 2 chicks i left him unhooded (big Mistake but neccesary) got up today with psycho literally going psycho trying to get away from me, he wouldnt climb onto the fist and bit at the hood every time it was close after a lil while i manage to hood him and settle him down. went through the day with more manning and hood work unhooding in various places in the house he seems to be comfortable with it now, weight today was 1lb 11 so and he seemed happy enough to eat on the fist i am going to try step ups tomorrow and see how things go..

Am pleased with his progress so far :D

[UKJay74]

wed 11/01/06
woke up and came down too take up psycho and rehood him ready for the day ahead. Today he was a little more chilled but still bating after a minute he settled on the fist to be rehooded :supz: so day went as normal wandering about with him on the fist removing his hood aat different places and for different amounts of time. set him down late afternoon when kids came in whilst i went to hardware store to get cable ties and some other bits i needed:D

came back leaving him settled on his block for a while and weighed him he weighed in at dead on 1lb11oz so prepared a couple of chicks fortodays task of step ups, once again following emma fords method of start feeding and setting onto block at same level so i was sat on floor next to his block for this purpose..

he successfully completed several step ups during his feed so left him unhooded for a hile then placed him back on his block so i can settle for my dinner

more to come

[BFC 007]

nice 1 jay,repeat performance tomorrow yes?

[UKJay74]

nice 1 jay,repeat performance tomorrow yes?

:supz: for sure am so pleased with his progress :D cant wait till i can come to him when he is unhooded in the am without him going nutty...

[UKJay74]

12/01/06

Weight 1lb10oz 3/8

Well today was pretty much a re run of yesterday came in to psycho to take him up and hood him and he bated awhile before settling on the fist to be hooded. roamed the house garden and the likes unhhoding and rehooding for different lengths of time and in different places which went quite well. set him on his block hooded for a little while whilst i yolked his food came back into room sat down and loosened his hood straps leaving it on till i had put my glove on and got comfy, once settled i untied his leash and held it in my right hand and unhooded him with chick on the glove he started tucking in so i lifted the glove slightly and he stepped up after a couple of nibbles i placed him back onto the block and repeated the process this continued for about 12 goes and everytime he stepped up..

i am such a happy bunny :supz:

[BFC 007]

nice work jay,jumping tomorrow then mate :wink:

[UKJay74]

fri 13/01/06

weight 1lb 10oz 3/8

well today started pretty much as the last couple the usual bait away as i come to re hood him in the morning but he is settling more and more each day and getting easier o get on the fist albeit with a little pick up piece.

went through the usual routin of manning unhooding and the likes. and psycho is getting better and better.

late in the afternoon i decided lets try some jumps alas i didnt get too far and it ended up as a step up exercise again which he did without even enticing him with a pick up piece :D and this continued for a little while and i introduced a reward he fed up whilst still steppng up(voluntarily) on 3 chicks :D:D :supz:

[UKJay74]

14/01/06
weight 1lb 10oz 1/4

same as before grreedy lil sod loves his food 3 chicks and he snapped em up
have a brce of pheastant arriving soon so have pheasant wings
will see how it goes but before that a pic pf psycho with my sone then one of him on my knee unhooded:D

http://boamad.co.uk/forum/uploads/Promethius/images/2006-01-14_170526_SA400013.JPG


http://boamad.co.uk/forum/uploads/Promethius/images/2006-01-14_170402_SA400001.JPG can you just see the what you looking at attitude :D

[UKJay74]

15 and 16/01/06

well yesterday has been very similar to the last few psycho weighed in at 1lb 10 1/4 walked about doing the usual routine of un hooding hooding different lengths of times and places
come training time i removed his hood on the block and went to get a chick to put on the glove an he stepped up without request and before food was on show although i wanted to get him doing jumps this alone made me feel good and i carried on with trying jumps but got step ups :supz:

16/01/05

weight 1lb 10 on the nose

well after spending the day with paul at his place crow hawking whilst pscho ws blocked out there i got home let the little guy dry out cos he decided to bate and hit the bath next to him, i picked him up and weighed him then settled him on the block with his hood loosened whilst i got a chick on the glove i removed his hood and had the glove about 6" away so he had to jump not stretch to get his feed, cheeky sod tried to lean but when he realised he wasnt getting it he jumped :supz: i looked like a kid at xmas so i let him have the feed on the chick and placed him back for another go this time i moved a bit further away maybe a foot and a half and again he happily jumped over :D final attempt i got him on the glove and put his long leash on and had my fist 2.5 ft from him again he made it :supz: soo pleased with his progress

[Adam Barrett]

Good going jay-sounds like he is coming on nicley.

keep the diary up mate-really intresting :)

[BFC 007]

wicked mate,couple of days of this & he will be on the creance Thursday,flying the full length of it by Sunday & free Monday lol (hopefully anyway)
:supz: :supz: :supz:

[UKJay74]

wicked mate,couple of days of this & he will be on the creance Thursday,flying the full length of it by Sunday & free Monday lol (hopefully anyway)
:supz: :supz: :supz:


heres hoping paul i got a hankering for crow hawking now i wanna see him nailing those corvids :supz:

[BFC 007]

i shall start saving some wings for you mate,if there not plucked out that is lol

[Lee C]

It’s nice to read things are coming along well, look forward to reading move good progress reports. Do a little and often and before you know it he will be free then you will have an even bigger smile on your face. All your Christmas come at once!!!!
Lee C

[UKJay74]

thanks for the comments guys they are greatly appreciated :supz:

[UKJay74]

17/01/06 am
well got up this morning and prepared myself for the usual bating session as i go to rehood psycho as i come down i can hear him jumping about on and off his block i get his hood and my glove and a couple of chick legs to see if today he will go for a pick up piece when i get into the lounge he is sat looking at me as if to say you aint picking me up i know what your gonna do but as i crouch to get him he spots the chick legs and hops up no worries just a little scream at me.

once he setlled on the fist and had finished the legs i go to hood him and i was totally stunned no bate no hiss or squawk he just sat there and let me get the hood on and fastened :D :supz: i am so pleased once hooded i weighed him before usual manning and the likes today 1lb10 1/4.

More to come once i get back to his jumps

[Stephen]

nice one m8 keep up the good work and it will not be long till your
flying him

[UKJay74]

17/01/06 pm

well this afternoon he weighed 1lb10 on the nose again .. i removed his hood and sat him on the block whilst i got settled to try him with more jumps, instead of starting small and ncreasing distance i decided to get him to go for the full length of his longest leash 3.5-4ft after a little look round he focused on the chick on the glove a couple of seconds later he jumped straight over and started to tuck in :D second go i stood up slightly so he was coming up about a ft above the block and the 3.5-4ft which he did readily and quickly once i pointed out there was food there..

on his last chick i deided to attach it to his lure and see how he went he looked atit alittle funny at first and wasnt sure but after a little pause he hopped of the block just to the side of the lure and toddled over to get his feed. i let him munch that down and used two chick legs i saved to get him back on the glove to end the session which he took up and munched :supz: am so pleased with the progress now i am going to try incorperate intro of his lure and jumps and hopefully work for the creance next

[UKJay74]

18/01/06

weight 1lb9 1/2
well todfay it seems everything has clicked into place in psychos mid i got up today to re hood psycho and he got straight onto the fist without a pick up piece and sat nice and calmly to be hooded ,no bating nothing. i did my usual work of wandering about with him and the likes occasionally putting him on his block unhooded with his lure next too him which he kept jumping down to an attacking :D.

tonight i did my usual jump work with him and he came on great guns 1st one he took his time with as he got his bearings but 2nd 3rd and 4th he jumped straight of as soon as seeing the food :supz:

well tomorrow out for some calling offwork will let you know how it goes

[UKJay74]

19/01/06

weight 1lb9 oz

well today didnt go as planned proceedings moved out into the field which may have been a bit too much for his mind to take in as all i got out of him was bate flap bate :( i thought i would leave it for the night but also thought i would try him with the lure indoors where alot of his flights (jumps) have taken place but still to no avail

any suggestions guys i am at a loss he is at a weight that he responds quickly to jump to the fist but is not interested in the lure now ??
maybe a fist flight then everything else off the lure?? (saying that as i type this the little toerag jumps to the lure for food

will let you know how his 2nd chick goes:D

[BFC 007]

get him back out in the field tomorrow jay,give him a couple of calls to the fist increasing it to about 6ft. Then stand about 10ft away from him & lob the lure to one side of him.If he's keen enough he will jump down-if not quick call to the fist with a small reward & leave it at that. No more food. Tomorrow same again,should be on it good & proper :wink:
Try & do his training outside from now on as well mate.

[UKJay74]

cheers for that paul looks like i have to start him again out in the field lol i have him jumping 8-10 foot now:D

he decided in the end the first chick was good on the second he was much quicker to it i think the tastebuds kicked in :lol: third beggar me it only just hit the deck but he refused to give up the lure for a pick up piece

[BlackShaheen1]

sonds good to me m8 he is only getting used to out doors so mutch to take in . if he aint flying soon i will eat my hat keep up the good work . its nice to read your progress.

[UKJay74]

sonds good to me m8 he is only getting used to out doors so mutch to take in . if he aint flying soon i will eat my hat keep up the good work . its nice to read your progress.


thanks for the vote of confidence :D i hope he is free soon i really want him into the black stuff

[BFC 007]

hows tricks with the little fella jay?
nailing that lure yet?

[UKJay74]

20/01/06

weight 1lb9 3/4

well took the little guy out again and was so suprised:D

he jumped to the fist no worries
so i thought okies put you on you block and call you off to your lure.

well after his first flight to fist i placed him on his block and called him off to his lure loaded with a yolked chick :D

he took it in seconds no hesitation at all :D

well onto the reast of the training now i want psycho fliying free soon :supz:

[Stephen]

will not be long now jay get him out in the feild for a good look and get him to come to the lure

[UKJay74]

21/01/06

weight 1lb9 1/4

well after a visit to julians today to get the lil lad his tail mount fitted and picking up an antenna for his tx i got him home and took him for a wander to get him used to the outdoors . i decided after a chat with julian to alter the way i am calling him off where in today i flew him to his lure from the fist which i have to say went well his hood came off just before i put his lure out loaded with a chick . amazing he saw his lure with his chick and was on it in seconds :D :supz: he repeated this about 4 or five times always sharp as a knife in his responses.. looks like good times ahead

[Falconry Equipment International]

thanks for that UK J dont forget I did say toi follow one persons's advice at the mo , not nec mine:yawinkle: atb J

[UKJay74]

Julian it wasnt just the chat that made me change my method but it definately made me think on the way home that for a rook hawk it may be better from fist to lure :D and it was he was nice and sharp onto the lure :D

[BlackShaheen1]

well done that man . check your telamatry and away you go .want to sell your creance lol

[Shaun Byrne]

Good advice from a seasoned falconer there UKJay. As soon as that hood is off a Rook hawk should be looking for its prey!!

Nice one Julian:supz:

[UKJay74]

well done that man . check your telamatry and away you go .want to sell your creance lol


lol no as i have to sort nursey out a harris mate so will be handy then but also as i want to fly psycho through the summer i am looking at a game hawk for winter :Done moults one flies so to speak :D

Good advice from a seasoned falconer there UKJay. As soon as that hood is off a Rook hawk should be looking for its prey!!

Nice one Julian

sure is an certainly made me think on the way home was proud of my boys reactions

Anyone selling a dog as that is the next thing i need for the game hawk i got a dobbie that can flush for the worl but S**** at pointing :lol:

[BFC 007]

i want to fly psycho through the summer i am looking at a game hawk for winter



what you getting as a gamehawk jay?

[UKJay74]

looking at a pere/saker for a game hawk paul :D

[BFC 007]

waiting on flights jay or pursuit?

[Shaun Byrne]

I wouldnt advise flying a Rook Hawk past Spring mate. Too much cover to dive into, too many crops and too many young birds that will make your bird lazy.

[BFC 007]

with regards to flying psycho off the fist to the lure is it your fist he's flying from while you throw the lure away from him or does nursey hold him while you throw the lure towards him?
reason im asking is because ive always worked the bird to the lure for a short period as a way of recalling otherwise the bird is continually looking outwards so when a slip is missed it may ignore you swinging the lure. just thinking about it mate thats all,just curious lol

[UKJay74]

well yesterday paul i flew him off my fist and today i have been flying him of tracies fist and mine22/01/06
i am quite proud of the way he is coming along he is steady about 1lb 9... started as usual after my trip out looking for the harris in northampton area of walking him about hood unhood took him over to on of my permissions to do some calling off work and had tracie unhood him as i put the lure out and he bobbed his head and bang onto the lure 15ft away from him :supz: made him collected him up and repated the process only increasing the distance -20 odd ish foot same again repeated the steps another couple of times and called it a day ..

[Falconry Equipment International]

UKJ sounds like youve had that tailclip fitted just in time! ( have to find those clips for you pronto as I shoiuld think he'll be flying free soon :yawinle: atb J

[UKJay74]

cheers mate i am really proud of the little guy :D once you found em let me know i'll bob over :D

[BFC 007]

How's the nutter?

[UKJay74]

How's the nutter?


doing well mate just doing creance lure work at the mo waiting on a tail clip (AHEM JULIAN) lolol he is eager tried nailing a gull in training when on the creance and is hitting the lure before it hist the deck :D he loves demolishing crow wings too:supz:

[Barbary Boy]

UKJ sounds like youve had that tailclip fitted just in time! ( have to find those clips for you pronto as I shoiuld think he'll be flying free soon :yawinle: atb J
ive been reading your posts for a while now and was wondering? can you remember the the name of the chick that you met at a kung foo flick?