Golden Eagle Semen

[Kentish Falconry]

Hi All ........... A friend of mine has just contacted me asking if I can find some one who has an Imprint Golden Eagle semen donor. He has a Female that lays eggs normally about 10 to 13 th March can anyone help?
Terry:supz:

[Hacker]

Terry,
You wouldn`t want one of those big ******s landing on your semen collection cap and drilling you into the ground, eh!
Sight to behold though!
Oh no! not again!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[MickeyDredd]

Joseph Hiebeler (Germany)!

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

You dont collect from a hat. German semen would be D.O.A.

[MickeyDredd]

German semen would be D.O.A.

Why? It travels well enough to the Czech Republic.

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Only with cryogenic suspension which isnt that available.

[Goldie]

Why? It travels well enough to the Czech Republic.

Mike, Its only about 5 hrs drive from Joseph's castle in Rossenburg.

[StormRider]

cryogenic suspension equipment to store the sample at -196 is very expensive. You would need the owner of the donor bird to have a lab setup capable of gathering the sample, infusing it with a sample preserver to get rid of any water content. You would then need to store it in a phial and have it placed in a shipper flask and a protective case. The equipment then has to be cleared via customs etc. The cost for the equipment could reach up to £6000 for one sample. In order to make sure the sample remains viable you would potentially need equipment that tracks fall and rise in temperature in order to keep sample at that optimum temperature.
Once into the Uk there are very serious health and safety issues that have to be addressed in terms of handling and shipping liquid nitrogen.

There is another method wher you could keep the sample at its donors body temperature using some form of incubation. I dont know, but say if the viability of Golden Eagle sperm is 8-10 hours? The sample in theory could maybe be kept upto 5-7 days if incubated. Again though, you would have to make sure that the temperature was constant with no deviation. This is a similar method that is used when transporting donor organs for transplantation.

Maybe a good source to contact is a Proffessor David Wishart up in Scotland. Im not sure but I think he may have covered this side of it when working with Andrew Knowles Brown and his eagles.
STU.

[Kentish Falconry]

cryogenic suspension equipment to store the sample at -196 is very expensive. You would need the owner of the donor bird to have a lab setup capable of gathering the sample, infusing it with a sample preserver to get rid of any water content. You would then need to store it in a phial and have it placed in a shipper flask and a protective case. The equipment then has to be cleared via customs etc. The cost for the equipment could reach up to £6000 for one sample. In order to make sure the sample remains viable you would potentially need equipment that tracks fall and rise in temperature in order to keep sample at that optimum temperature.
Once into the Uk there are very serious health and safety issues that have to be addressed in terms of handling and shipping liquid nitrogen.

There is another method wher you could keep the sample at its donors body temperature using some form of incubation. I dont know, but say if the viability of Golden Eagle sperm is 8-10 hours? The sample in theory could maybe be kept upto 5-7 days if incubated. Again though, you would have to make sure that the temperature was constant with no deviation. This is a similar method that is used when transporting donor organs for transplantation.

Maybe a good source to contact is a Proffessor David Wishart up in Scotland. Im not sure but I think he may have covered this side of it when working with Andrew Knowles Brown and his eagles.
STU.

Hi Stu........ I am not really up to speed on Cryogenics, I know Cerri Griffiths was messing around with it in 95/96 and running tests but I am not sure just how far he got with the project but I am sure that if it worked we would have heard something about it.
Traveling semen by Aircraft is the problem. If you use DHL or someone to ship it you can be sure it will be DOA or will have mutated and be unusable by the time you get it. The sample would have to be carried in the hold and even on a short trip temperatures can drop below -30 c the only way to do it would be to carry the sample with you in the cabin in a flask. I know this from bitter experiance haveing brought in Gyr Semen by plane for a whole season and not getting 1 chick from it. I even went to the expense of getting special containers that they use for shipping Bull Semen from the USA to Japan and even that did not cure the problem
I have never heard of anyone storeing semen at an incubation temperature we all store semen at 4 deg c and it will last for 3 days but the sooner it is used the better. If you just take a sample and add extender to it and leave it on the side at incubator room temperature within a few hours the sample is knackered or just about.
What we are talking about here though is not Falcon semen but Golden Eagle semen and I have no experiance with moveing this type of semen. K however has and he says that GE semen does not travel well and I have to bow to his experance in this matter as I have never had to try it. I am happy to help out and supply specialist equipment if it is needed and I am sure we will be updated by K if the project goes forward.
Hope this answers you questions
ATB
Terry:)

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Golden eagle semen also aparently dosent like extender for some reason. There have been tens of thousands of falcons bred via AI and a lot of experience gained scientificaly and via trial and errror. How many eagles? If it were that simple main stream breeders would all be at it! I personally doubt that there would be over five thousand if that eagles that have ever been produced via AI. What we do know however is fresh is best, undilluted and straight in, just as mother nature intended!

[Barry]

I know AKB has successfully produced a Golden x Steppe eagle hybrid from frozen/thawed semen with the donation to insemination period being one year. The following season ha was again successfull in producing a straight Golden Eagle from frozen semen.

He is a great guy, just ask him.

Barry.

[StormRider]

Terry - I have just spoken to Dr Graham Wishart who claims that you could more than likely bring your sample over from Germany using standard methods as if you were obtaining it in this country. He states that Golden Eagle semen is very hardy and would have a possible 50-60% survival viability using standard methods. I didnt realise this, but set aside from the costs of cryogenic methods, the survival viability after using such methods is as low as 2%.
Having said all that, he claims that AKB has since developed even more simple methods for retaining eagle sperm and its viability.
This is dead interesting, im gonna share what I have out to all those lovely ladies of the world. Loads of little Stuys running around.
STU

[StormRider]

Have you tried AKB Terry? I would have thought that he was your man for semen.
STU

[Kentish Falconry]

Have you tried AKB Terry? I would have thought that he was your man for semen.
STU

My M8 has already spoken to Andrew and now he has also spoken to K and I think they will be doing something this season.
But thanks anyway for the info
Terry :supz:

[Graham Stuart]

yo terry you can keep it in your mouth and i think it would last the trip ok:wink:

[Kentish Falconry]

yo terry you can keep it in your mouth and i think it would last the trip ok:wink:

Not with the amount of Brandy I drink it wont it serilises everything lol:supz: :butthead: :butthead:

[Graham Stuart]

at least it will be clean semen:drinkers:

[StormRider]

Urgghhh Yuck!
I was always told it tastes like bleach anyway, so does it need sterilising?
LOL
STU

[Hacker]

Urgghhh Yuck!
I was always told it tastes like bleach anyway, so does it need sterilising?
LOL
STU
Stu, whoever told you that sure has some funny drinking habits:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[StormRider]

Stu, whoever told you that sure has some funny drinking habits:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Loose women m8.
STU

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

My male has started tredding me today so hopefully hell be firing on both cylinders soon.

[StormRider]

Please excuse my ignorance hear K.
What is the process for gathering semen from a goldie? Are you literally talking the same method as an imprint falcon?
STU

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Sort of but more like a gos.

[StormRider]

Thanks for that m8. So whats the difference for a Gos then?
STU

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

No hat you use different collection methods! Glove, Foot, Back, Leg, you go with what your bird will, or so too speak.

[StormRider]

I find this extremely interesting K. Do you fancy camcording this interaction and placing it on this thread when it happens.
STU

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

I dont have a camera as of yet but would be willing to try it. Some of my falcons were put of by cameras in the past. I dont think the Golden would be bothered too much, as long as the camera didnt have an opperator with it. Though having said that the first time he jumped aboard was infront of the public!

[Tim Laycock]

Eagle porn :twisted:

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

Oh you know it BB.

[StormRider]

Ill swap a copy of the video of your bird for a photo of wor lass.
STU

[Game & Pursuit Falcon UK]

How or can you put video images on here? Kharns realy in his stride now with the copulation but no semen as of yet.