imprinting a gos

[NightOwl]

hi

i am hoping to get a new female finnish gos this coming season to fly at pheasants. i am going to imprint it and want to find out as much as i can before then.
all tips welcome no matter how obvious they seem to you.
perhaps you could give me a bit of a calendar of events in relation to the birds age
ie.
2 weeks old i am doing this etc.etc.
thanks in advance
jason

[Roel_Birds]

Read 'The imprint accipiter', by Michael McDermott for a start. Then go through every thread on this website related to imprint gosses. You will be WELL prepared than for your new arrival. Don't expect people to just tell you what to do, there is enough literature out there.

If you have a direct and specific question, you can ask it. But this question is way to open!

[RWR]

Hi nightowl I have an imprint finnish gos 2005 bird in all my years in falconry I have never had such a good bird I would not be with out her.I have flown a lot of gos hawks but she is the best by far . Get youself Dave Jones video called imprinting goshawks . there is also imprinting goshawks 2 which is even better than the first.

[Mary Quite Contrary]

read blackbirds diary on ros the gos for a more real life account on a imprint

[Red-Devil]

dave jones .the imprint goshawk .all in there ,egg to flight

[Jastreb]

read blackbirds diary on ros the gos for a more real life account on a imprint
Listen Mark!
Cheers Jastreb

[NightOwl]

thanks to those that have posted so far. don't suppose anyone has a copy of the imprint accipiter for sale? will have a look at blackbirds diary if i can figure how to call it up
cheers
jason

[Mary Quite Contrary]

thanks to those that have posted so far. don't suppose anyone has a copy of the imprint accipiter for sale? will have a look at blackbirds diary if i can figure how to call it up
cheers
jason

well there like rocking horse ****, but there are 2 going for around £150.00 each i know off.

[Adam Barrett]

theres a signed copy on sale for ebay now mate-just seen it cant remember how long its got left but its only around £50.00 at the moment.


Also check

http://www.anglebooks.com/search.php?xSearch=Falconry&xPriceFrom=0&xPriceTo=0&xSort=0&xPage=3

all the best
Adam

[Liam Hay]

interesting replies so far, if u read BB post on hid female ros u will learn alot seen this bird at close hand and she is amazing. Reading the imprint accipiter will be good but try to think how ur gonna fly ur bird as with Dave Jones videos on the imprint gos he flies his birds from following on and waiting on y anyone would want to is beyond me.

Read BB thread and outflyings if he has a diary on here

Liam

[Tim Laycock]

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If you want a Gos that hunts from trees, go the DJ route.
I would rather put needles in my eyes.

There is a lot to be said for McDermots recipie but if you do not follow it to the letter it is incomplete and it is only as good as the sum of its parts.

Plus I find the idea of giving wounded baggies to a downy eyass a tad distastefull. :vom:

Read a lot and dont be afraid of pioneering new things.
If you have a problem or you see a trait you dislike developing, think on it and decide what you think is required to make it good again.

Its the only way you learn and if everyone followed the established recipie to the letter we would never advance our understanding a single inch.

The hardest thing I find with My Gos is maintaining ruthless control of her weight and this is so important, crucial infact to continued success and improved behaviour.

She can do the best impression of a starving hawk that I have ever seen, its pathetic :lol:

[Tim Laycock]

Double posting muppet :oops:

[Gaz]

I got 2 sighned copies for sale...£150 each:supz: "read blackbirds diary on ros the gos for a more real life account on a imprint"
Best advice youll get :!: ..take heed of people who"S done it and still have the birds:!:

Or grow some "minerals" and do a proper Gos..p/r:mrgreen:

[Gaz]

"Field control and weight reduction just go together like peaches and cream on a summers day.What more can be said?"

[Gaz]

"Dave Jones videos on the imprint gos he flies his birds from following on and waiting on y anyone would want to is beyond me." (quote)

Trouble is they"re still waiting on in Scotland ..but he lives in Weston:cry: :!:

[Liam Hay]

so he has lost them i take it

[NightOwl]

thanks for the replys
i have seen daves dvd part one and i own the male "BOW" who is in it.
i do not want to fly from trees . and certainly don't want them to wait on.
from the fist only - no reflushes they get one go and then its time to find another.
I know some of the simple things as in you must not let them see you putting the food in with them, but i know you lot have alot more tips than that.
i am watching the book on ebay at the moment so will see how it goes.
thanks again
jason

[Tim Laycock]

I know some of the simple things as in you must not let them see you putting the food in with them,

Jason,
As an example of different peoples takes on things, I think its total rubbish regarding not letting them see the food during imprinting.

Sometime during training a weight reduction combined with obedience training comes into play and they will figure it at this time and all efforts made in the past to hide giving food will be a waste of your time anyway.

[Gaz]

"am watching the book on ebay at the moment so will see how it goes"(quote)
:D Keep watching Jason...then get in touch to buy one of mine...:supz:

[NightOwl]

no probs gaz. bb - i thought that the food thing was the one golden rule not to get wrong to stop them attacking you for food as they would their parents if they were pr.
i am confused now.

[Kevin Massey]

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6361

just incase you could'nt find it.. :-)

confused :-) ... you will be :-)

kev

[Tim Laycock]

I hid giving food from mine until I absolutley had to.....did not make a blind bit of difference.
Raised on the lure, didnt stop her flying in my face.
I put this down to gender

Stopped messing with the lure and got her hunting.....Problem solved.

The one thing that equalises 90% of problem behaviour is intensive hunting, Couple this with strict weight control and you are a long way towards having the "cake" baked

[Moses]

thanks for the replys
i have seen daves dvd part one and i own the male "BOW" who is in it.
i do not want to fly from trees . and certainly don't want them to wait on.
from the fist only - no reflushes they get one go and then its time to find another.
I know some of the simple things as in you must not let them see you putting the food in with them, but i know you lot have alot more tips than that.
i am watching the book on ebay at the moment so will see how it goes.
thanks again
jason

mate do u own the one who hit his wings on a fence a few yrs back or the young one he trained that caught a moorhen by selfhunting

cheers

[NightOwl]

stay off the space cakes moses theres a good little boy

[Red-Devil]

interesting replies so far, if u read BB post on hid female ros u will learn alot seen this bird at close hand and she is amazing. Reading the imprint accipiter will be good but try to think how ur gonna fly ur bird as with Dave Jones videos on the imprint gos he flies his birds from following on and waiting on y anyone would want to is beyond me.

Read BB thread and outflyings if he has a diary on here

Liam
no he dont watch properly

[Berkut]

Jason,
As an example of different peoples takes on things, I think its total rubbish regarding not letting them see the food during imprinting.

Sometime during training a weight reduction combined with obedience training comes into play and they will figure it at this time and all efforts made in the past to hide giving food will be a waste of your time anyway.
Each bird is different .I think the bird not seeing you supply the food is important but more so from a point of no hand/food association.
Hunting hard and accurate weight control is a must. The more the bird is hunted, the more successful the bird becomes and then the smoother everything else is .Repetition is the key and also avoiding letting the Gos become bored.

[Jastreb]

Night Owl how is Bow like hunting hawk, are you pleased with him?
Cheers Viktor

[GosHawking2Day]

Hi Jason,
Threads and advice from Outflying and Blackbird as good as it gets, also Mike does a hell of an imprint so you won't go far wrong with him.
I imprinted a male a couple of years ago that Lee Boyes flew,never once hid food from him, he turned out to be a great bird.
I'm imprinting one myself so I'm expecting a very busy time of it.
Re Dave Jones DVDs both v.good as for the book Imprint Accipiter, don't bother!!.
You don't live far from me so keep in touch.
PS.If you hear of a male imprint for sale I'm still looking for one.
ATB

[Jack Merlin]

Has anyone any experience of hacking an imprint gos to stop/prevent screaming?

This came up on another group and it was suggested (from the poster's personal experience) that limited hack can stop an imprint from screaming.

Haven't done it -- just interested in hearing if anyone else has tried it.

I think the gos was just put out every morning and called down in the evening. Or just left out for about a week, not a full hack anyway.

[Tim Laycock]

I cant imagine it working.
To my mind the screasing is stopped or rather reduced by extensive hunting and non food associated quality time spent with the hawk.

While at hack the imprint is getting neither of these things and if it is being fed by the austringer I cant see how the hawk would change its outlook or inprove its behaviour/manners.

Just my view

[OutFlying]

Walking in the woods in September, I could still hear the wild eyass spars calling to their parents - these would have been flying at wild hack for 6 weeks +.

I think all imprint gosses will call when originally taken down to hunting weight until hunting successfully no matter how reared - I would be disappointed if it was silent at first if correctly imprinted as a bond hasn't been established.

This season I've flown an imprint female goshawk raised by someone else, I collected her off the bowperch unentered etc and she is silent. The person who originally imprints has the greatest bond and more likely will have more noise.

Calling should only occur at around 7 - 8 weeks and quieten down 6-8 weeks later if flown successfully. If it was at hack this would be wasted time as it could be successfully flown from the fist at this stage of life.

Yours Jim.

[GosFlyer]

I cant imagine it working.
To my mind the screasing is stopped or rather reduced by extensive hunting and non food associated quality time spent with the hawk.

While at hack the imprint is getting neither of these things and if it is being fed by the austringer I cant see how the hawk would change its outlook or inprove its behaviour/manners.

Just my view

got to agree with blackbird, and if you see dave jones vidio you got to be in an isolated place to have it coming and going, unique infact, plus if you hacked it in total isolation may as well get a PR bird imprints are all different they all have their own quirks. :rolleyes: you will know that better than me.:rolleyes:

[OutFlying]

Dave Jones gos at hack was very noisy, much more than my own efforts.

[GosFlyer]

Dave Jones gos at hack was very noisy, much more than my own efforts.

too true jim and like you said wild eyasses are noisy ******s anyway, spars are bad enough imagine four young gosses in a wood.:rolleyes:

[OutFlying]

Exactly, that's what young accipiters do anyway in the wild - why would it be any different when hand reared ?

I think if you imprint then you must realise calling (not screaming) will be a foregone conclusion.

Jim.

[M & J Raptors]

unless you get someone else to do it James,:rolleyes:

[OutFlying]

Oh yes ..................... Thankyou yet again. :supz:

Yours James :lol:

[OutFlying]

Has anyone any experience of hacking an imprint gos to stop/prevent screaming?

This came up on another group and it was suggested (from the poster's personal experience) that limited hack can stop an imprint from screaming.

Haven't done it -- just interested in hearing if anyone else has tried it.

I think the gos was just put out every morning and called down in the evening. Or just left out for about a week, not a full hack anyway.


I think if it is at a weight that enables a call back everyday to a food recall then it will not be of any benefit in the reduction of calling. If extended period of hack i.e a week - this would defeat the object of social imprinting, I've noticed if you don't keep up the level of daily interactivity between yourself and the gos / spar then an element of wildness soon creeps in.

Only my views - Jim.

[Red-Devil]

interesting replies so far, if u read BB post on hid female ros u will learn alot seen this bird at close hand and she is amazing. Reading the imprint accipiter will be good but try to think how ur gonna fly ur bird as with Dave Jones videos on the imprint gos he flies his birds from following on and waiting on y anyone would want to is beyond me.

Read BB thread and outflyings if he has a diary on here

Liam
beacuse its far superior to fliying of your fist m8:supz: :supz: :supz:

[Red-Devil]

Has anyone any experience of hacking an imprint gos to stop/prevent screaming?

This came up on another group and it was suggested (from the poster's personal experience) that limited hack can stop an imprint from screaming.

Haven't done it -- just interested in hearing if anyone else has tried it.

I think the gos was just put out every morning and called down in the evening. Or just left out for about a week, not a full hack anyway.
my gos was out on hack for 6 weeks he dont make a sound now or then would not of missed the tame hack for nothing fabulous ,quite scarry to start with though

[Tim Laycock]

beacuse its far superior to fliying of your fist m8

All well and good if you like your Goshawk to mug things and drop onto pheasants as they are dozing in the grass beneath a tree:lol:
I like to test the abilitys of my Goshawk therfore I do not fly her from trees.
If you think flying a Goshawk like a harris hawk is sport you are on another planet:rolleyes:

[Dave Whitt]

All well and good if you like your Goshawk to mug things and drop onto pheasants as they are dozing in the grass beneath a tree:lol:
I like to test the abilitys of my Goshawk therfore I do not fly her from trees.
If you think flying a Goshawk like a harris hawk is sport you are on another planet:rolleyes:

Well said BB, I would just like to add that in my experiance imprint gosses or PR gosses that have been flown from tree nearly always start self hunting, the falconer nearly always ends up doing the following on, and because the bird learns that it is more sucsessful from trees it is very reluctant to come down so obediance is lost, I have made it a strict rule to always fly from the fist and always recall the hawk after the flight, now by the end of the second season my male will automatically come back looking for me after a slip.