Boiling Bells

[JayHawk]

hi all i have read here somewhere that boiling old bells can improve there tone can anyone direct me to the thread as i can't find it

thanks guys

[Pitbull]

the only one i know of is by goose

[Goose]

.....and if I knew how to attatch the thread to this reply I'd show you!!!!!!:oops:

[Pitbull]

.....and if I knew how to attatch the thread to this reply I'd show you!!!!!!:oops:

just type in boiling bells in the search box

[Goose]

How's this????

[Goose]

Sorry Pitbull,...I'm a failure......

[Pitbull]

http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/search.php?searchid=91735


does this help

[Goose]

:prayer: :prayer: :prayer: ...I am not worthy!!!

[Pitbull]

:prayer: :prayer: :prayer: ...I am not worthy!!!

get up you stupid fool :lol:

Before you reply, go too the page you want the person too see. on you main search engine where you type in the www adress at the top of the page hi-light it, right click, copy.
you cant then close the pages goe back to the posting page, click in the writing box, right click, paste and the link should come up.

If this works i will be amazed as im useless at explaining computer stuff as i tend to stumble my way through,

[JayHawk]

cheers pitbull...........goose i'm sure you'd av got there in the end

thanx guys

[Tarqers]

it may be that it tempers them in some way,,,tarqs

[Jack Merlin]

it may be that it tempers them in some way,,,tarqs

Boiling bells will remove any fat, bits of meat, flux, etc. which tend to dampen the tone. (Same thing happens if you slide a piece of card into the slit!).

Be careful when heating bells. If they are heated, then suddenly cooled it will anneal the metal, i.e. make it softer.

Bells "ring" because the metal becomes harder and stressed as it is worked. The ringing is in fact the metal vibrating which sends sound waves through the air.

The most usual cause of bells losing tone (or ring) is because they are cracked. Cracks can be repaired by running some hard solder (silver solder, braze, etc) into the crack.

Hope that helps.

[Tim Laycock]

If bells ring better because the metal hork hardens as they age would case hardening them with carbon/casenite powder improve the tone?

[Jack Merlin]

If bells ring better because the metal hork hardens as they age would case hardening them with carbon/casenite powder improve the tone?

Heat treatment of non-ferrous metals seems to work pretty much the opposite to how it works on steel, so far as I know.

Heat a bell up to red heat and drop it in water and see what happens! One dud bell. Better not do it with a good one!

Bells improve with age because the clapper peens them and they also get knocked against perches, etc. This work hardens the metal until it finally cracks.

I have an old pair of Asbornos on my tiercel gos. They were cracked but I repaired them. They are better now than they were new -- and I got them secondhand for repairing some others.<g>

[Tim Laycock]

Derry, Where would you go to purchase a doming block these days?
Have you heard from Ali since the quake?

[Jack Merlin]

Derry, Where would you go to purchase a doming block these days?


Have you heard from Ali since the quake?

I purchased mine from a jeweller suppliers in Hatton Garden, London but there are other sources, do a Google. But that was about thirty years ago! (They last if you look after them).

If you buy a doming block, make sure you get one with big holes. You also need big punches. Either steel or turned out of box wood.

No word from Ali at all.

[Talon]

Derry, Where would you go to purchase a doming block these days?
Have you heard from Ali since the quake?

try this bb they have some and not that exspensive.
dont know how good or bad they are.but worth a try.


http://www.manchesterminerals.co.uk/acatalog/shop.html?http%3A//www.manchesterminerals.co.uk/acatalog/Shaping_.html&CatalogBody

[Tim Laycock]

Might have to invest<g>

No word from Ali at all.
Not good :(

[Jack Merlin]

Might have to invest<g>




Try http://www.jblundell.co.uk/jewelleryhandtools.asp

The prices might shock you. I would not bother with a brass block, get the largest quality steel one you can. Mine is 57mm. Also the largest punches. You will need a hide mallet or your punches will get knocked to hell. I think we are over £100 already! :(

Some have got that far and found they could not master the technique. Making a good bell is not something that is achieved with brute force.

Then you will need sheet brass, silver solder, a butane torch....

Suddenly commercially made bells start to look cheap! They will be made with a very large press and accurate dies....and a lot of research.

Good luck!<g>

[Tim Laycock]

Derry, I have all the silver soldering equipment and hide mallets etc (Its my old trade)
I just need the doming block and punches, I have the brass sheet at work also<g>
Should hopefully make an interesting diversion during the moult.

[Achilles]

Proops do a couple of Doming blocks; the steel one priced at <£20. Have a look on their website:

www.proopsbrother.com

[Jack Merlin]

Derry, I have all the silver soldering equipment and hide mallets etc (Its my old trade)
I just need the doming block and punches, I have the brass sheet at work also<g>
Should hopefully make an interesting diversion during the moult.

Well, I find making my own equipment very satisfying.