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Old 18-07-2015, 07:37 PM
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Hi,

I am training a tawny owl, and since i'm a beginner at this (a lot of reading books still makes me a beginner), I was wondering where I could improve for the better of the owl.

He is 4 months old, and flying on the creance up to 20 meters.
The way i do things is to start at 4/5 meters and gradually increase distance for 5 to 10 jumps. Then I consider he has done his job, and gets rewarded a chick (or two when i want to increase weight).

Still, I have a couple of questions :

- First, he became slower than he used to be, and now can wait for a couple of minutes before deciding to come (while I had almost instant responses 6 weeks ago). I'm not comfortable with cutting food too much, but if this is the only way ...

- Second, I'm wondering how I shoud reward when he does his job only partially (let's say he comes several times to 10 meters, but no further ...).
Should I refuse food, or still reward a bit (for now I still reward).

- Third, could I try to start the jumps from further, say, directly from 20 meters (I'm concerned he may sit starving for days ...)


Last : has anyone knowledge about tawny ethology (like what is it telling me with its body language and hooting ?)

Thanks in advance for your advices.
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Old 19-07-2015, 10:53 AM
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Are you rewarding every time he comes to the fist as it sounds like you are not, if I where you I would reward every time with a small tid bit and then switch to variable reward,
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Old 19-07-2015, 11:05 AM
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Hi, thanks for your answer.
Sorry it was unclear, but yes, I hold a visible reward (a small piece of beef) and he gets it when he flies to the fist.
(as a matter of fact, I did never try to have him fly to the fist without showing something to eat) ...
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Old 19-07-2015, 12:24 PM
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Hi, thanks for your answer.
Sorry it was unclear, but yes, I hold a visible reward (a small piece of beef) and he gets it when he flies to the fist.
(as a matter of fact, I did never try to have him fly to the fist without showing something to eat) ...
In that case it may well be weight related but one could never advise to cut weight with out seeing the owl, has anything changed with the surroundings that may be disturbing him/her.

You must reward every time he comes to the fist but never shorten the distance once called, he may well be training you to come to him
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Old 19-07-2015, 05:02 PM
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As Sean says its dangerous to advise on weight without seeing the bird but I would say this, are you actually weighing the bird and recording its weight daily? if so, what are its weights from day of first flight to now?
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Old 19-07-2015, 06:32 PM
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Sean :
I'll keep in mind your advice not reducing distance ...
I did it sometimes in the end of a training, because I'm not sure how to reward in such case (see my second question in the original post)

Ash :
I have been weighing since May 15th, twice a day.
(training began a week or so before that).
He was actually heavier when he was more responsive ... (370g in june)
Now he does not respond above 360g.
But weather has been warming ; I understansd it has an impact.
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Old 19-07-2015, 07:19 PM
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I'll keep in mind your advice not reducing distance ...
I did it sometimes in the end of a training, because I'm not sure how to reward in such case (see my second question in the original post)
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It is important not to walk towards your owl once called, (in his mind why should he fly to you when you come to him) I hate to say this but it is more then likely weight related as it has been very warm and you may need to shave a little off at a time.
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Old 19-07-2015, 10:52 PM
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I'll remember not to walk to him again. I'm not sure how to reward an incomplete training session then

He is now at 355, I'll get him just under 350 and see if he get any swifter.
I'd be reluctant to go under 345 anyway.
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Old 19-07-2015, 11:00 PM
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I'll remember not to walk to him again. I'm not sure how to reward an incomplete training session then

He is now at 355, I'll get him just under 350 and see if he get any swifter.
I'd be reluctant to go under 345 anyway.
There is no such thing as an incomplete training session, the owl gets rewarded for coming to the fist, he doesn't understand anything beyond that, if you are going to give a full chick, give it on the last recall to the fist, it will reinforce the call, take a look at variable reward.

Http://www.falconryforum.co.uk/showt...ariable+reward
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Old 19-07-2015, 11:24 PM
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Thanks for the thread, its very interesting.
I'll try this provided he comes spontaneously, which he never did so far !

As for 'incomplete session', I may have been unclear (again) :
I start a training session at short distance, and then gradually widens. I reward each jump to the fist with a bit of meat. When I have a satisfactory progress (5 to 10 jumps), different situations, I end with a 'big' reward : a full chick which he carries back in his pen.

However, sometimes in the middle of a training, he would stop flying over mid distance, and I cannot go further because he would just sit and look around forever, or go explore the world.
In such case, what would be the proper thing to do ?
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