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Old 29-03-2015, 10:30 PM
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I would be surprised if anyone sterilises their chicks.
Sorry Derek but the Magnesons did with all their chicks bred from their wild imported stock to stop anyone else from breeding that line. Not sure if they bother now.
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Old 29-03-2015, 10:35 PM
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Do you not think sterilizing the males is slightly excessive ?


we did what no one/club could do
if we start selling males that were not sterilised then people will cross in to ther birds and in 10 years we will be in the same state we are with gos hawks again in the uk

the amount of times this year the phone has rung and we have been ask what bird so and so has he bred that with a male from you can you tell me about your wild line
no mate i cant as we never sold it him
you see people are trying to say ther male came from us

so let me say no male from are stock will ever be sold as a breeding bird

as aflying bird ther cheap for the next 15 years flying it if you sole intrest is in flying like bobs and nothing else

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Old 30-03-2015, 01:39 PM
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Yer because that's good for goshawk market with regards to genetics. I'd never buy off them. Plenty have bred from there stock with pr females.
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Old 30-03-2015, 09:19 PM
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Sorry Derek but the Magnesons did with all their chicks bred from their wild imported stock to stop anyone else from breeding that line. Not sure if they bother now.
How much would that cost and at what risk to the chicks. I would be very angry if I bought a chick that had been doctored not to breed.
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Old 03-04-2015, 05:53 PM
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Default Re: Sterililisation of chicks

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how would you stand
legally if you bought a chick
For imprinting
breeding
and you found out out it was steralized
... caponed .. castrated
unable to breed
can you prove it
How do they do it
obviously it is in there interests to reduce competition
Hi.Much bether way is :-not selling anny male.
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Old 12-07-2015, 06:51 PM
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Default Re: Sterililisation of chicks

I was told by someone some time back that they way some were being done was to X-ray the bird just like anything that gets x rayed you can loose fertility. And it can never be traced as you would never know. But I don't know how true all this would be.
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Old 12-07-2015, 08:35 PM
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Default Re: Sterililisation of chicks

ok there is 2 aspects of it
judicial
and physical.
I would enfasize in the second point as the first point will have to be proved
on base of the second one .
if that happen to me i will have my hawk vet controled next spring as it should have the testicles normally increasing . if not, the cause can be again natural or
artificial, that can be shown probably by a biopsy( ask your vet anyway).
if the causes are unatural your case is clear .
you can then suited the breeder(s)if he has sold the hawk without specifially specify that the hawk was sterilized.
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Old 13-07-2015, 04:26 AM
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Default Re: Sterililisation of chicks

seen as tho are name has been pulled up a few times

yes we have are males sterilised

but we don't keep it a secret all enquiries of males are told BEFOR any further conversation is made that the male will be a flying bird only and will be sterilised
and that only pr chicks will be available

every male thatthatthe new owner signesigned a form that states they know that the bird is sterilised

sterilisation of the bird is done by a vet and there is zero money made on male after the procedure ND feeding of the bird

defra used to put it on a10 but stopped so now all males get a sterile ring on so that if the bird is sold on its not sold on under false pretensions

only the pure Finnish males are sterilised

yes some of you will not like it but I'm not going to sit here and argue with you

but please be told this is no secret
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Old 13-07-2015, 09:36 AM
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Default Re: Sterililisation of chicks

What's the sterilisation procedure Wayne?
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Old 13-07-2015, 06:14 PM
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Default Re: Sterililisation of chicks

the vet does it for us he does the same as you would a humans the tube to tessticles are tied

Nothing is taken away from the bird like some saw we don't have them castrated they have a vercectamy (sorry bad spelling)

BEFOR we let any males go we flew some males are self's and we had no problems we also gave males to close friends and they had no problems

are original plan was to release males but defra and natural England said we would be don't for abandoned captive animals but they would allow us to put healthy birds to sleep again this is again a leagle killing a protected bird
so are vet came up with the idea

I can understand some of you may not like this but

some people don't mind and just want a bird to fly
yes some people don't want this but every body gets a choice and this is not kept secret

Atbatb wayne
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