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Old 11-02-2016, 10:51 AM
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Feel his keel. It should be rounded. No bone. If that's the case he is fat. Try and put meat down. Leave it for ten minutes. If he doesn't eat remove it. Try again in the evening. And again the next day. If doesn't eat by the second night I'd take a guess that there is something wrong.
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Old 13-02-2016, 02:29 AM
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Beetlebasher and Cobus,

He is doing much better these past couple of days. I think the problem was that I was overfeeding him. I avoid feeding him early in the morning, only feed him at 10:30 am and 4 pm. He seems to be taking the food from my hand now. It appears not many people here in Thailand have much experience or knowledge with kites so information is very limited.

I will have to agree that the only helpful advice I have received is from you guys.

I forgot to mention, is it normal for birds of prey to cry or call? Not relating to hunger but just in general. Another question is I hear the term "imprinted" often, is this relating to the bird being tamed or it's wild instinct?

Thank You guys!
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Old 13-02-2016, 10:05 AM
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Beetlebasher and Cobus,

He is doing much better these past couple of days. I think the problem was that I was overfeeding him. I avoid feeding him early in the morning, only feed him at 10:30 am and 4 pm. He seems to be taking the food from my hand now. It appears not many people here in Thailand have much experience or knowledge with kites so information is very limited.

I will have to agree that the only helpful advice I have received is from you guys.

I forgot to mention, is it normal for birds of prey to cry or call? Not relating to hunger but just in general. Another question is I hear the term "imprinted" often, is this relating to the bird being tamed or it's wild instinct?

Thank You guys!
Is it right to say one feed a day if its gets fair or feather,( sour crop )
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Old 13-02-2016, 11:57 AM
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Beetlebasher and Cobus,

He is doing much better these past couple of days. I think the problem was that I was overfeeding him. I avoid feeding him early in the morning, only feed him at 10:30 am and 4 pm. He seems to be taking the food from my hand now. It appears not many people here in Thailand have much experience or knowledge with kites so information is very limited.

I will have to agree that the only helpful advice I have received is from you guys.

I forgot to mention, is it normal for birds of prey to cry or call? Not relating to hunger but just in general. Another question is I hear the term "imprinted" often, is this relating to the bird being tamed or it's wild instinct?

Thank You guys!

One single feed a day is a better routine as gos 357 said it can lead to issues if the bird is poor at turning over its crop ,and also establishes a better training /weight routine
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Old 13-02-2016, 12:54 PM
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Beetlebasher and Cobus,

He is doing much better these past couple of days. I think the problem was that I was overfeeding him. I avoid feeding him early in the morning, only feed him at 10:30 am and 4 pm. He seems to be taking the food from my hand now. It appears not many people here in Thailand have much experience or knowledge with kites so information is very limited.

I will have to agree that the only helpful advice I have received is from you guys.

I forgot to mention, is it normal for birds of prey to cry or call? Not relating to hunger but just in general. Another question is I hear the term "imprinted" often, is this relating to the bird being tamed or it's wild instinct?

Thank You guys!
I'm glad to hear that your kite is eating. Yes, you should only feed it once per day. When you begin to train it, you will want it to have an appetite for the meal (but not to be starving). Feed it at the same time each day. A good diet has a lot of day old chicks in it, but has variety in the form of a whole small animal carcass (rat, mouse, bird - make sure it isn't diseased or poisoned) about once a week. The food needs to be fresh; don't haandle it too often, freeze it more than once, or leave it out of refridgeration for longer than a few hours.

If the kite is calling all the time, then it is most likely because it is imprinted. Search for that term on the internet. It means the bird has been to a large extent reared by humans, so associates with them in some way. To you, depending on the type and extent of imprinting, it means you may have more difficulty training this kite to be well-mannered and manageable, and it may become aggressive. On the plus side, it's less likely to fly away, and you can gauge what the kite is thinking and hhow hungry it is based on the tone and volume of the scream. Oh, and it saves you money on bells, too!

You need to think what you want from this kite. Can you give it what it needs for the rest of its life, which could be well over a decade? Are you going to want to fly, feed, and care for this screaming creature for that long, or will you get bored of it? I understand that it was foisted on you, but you do need to consider its (and your) future before you put hard work into creating a bond and training it.
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Old 15-02-2016, 03:14 PM
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Goshawk/Shaun: Feeding him once a day has definitely helped with the feeding issue. He accepts the food without any problems.

Beetlebasher: Thank you for the brief explanation, it definitely describes his behavior. I did a lot of thinking of whether to keep him or not and I decided to keep him since I devote a lot of my time to animals and pets.

ONE PROBLEM... I came home Saturday afternoon to find him hyperventilating on the ground with his wings spread out. I examined him and noticed his left leg appeared swollen. He had difficulty walking on that leg as well. I decided to take him to a recommended Avian/Exotic bird specialist since I had the feeling he either fractured or broke his leg.

At the Vet's, they examined and took an X-ray of his leg. The image showed his leg completely broken in half. They did not insert any pins or surgery but splinted his leg in a very secured manner. They said he should heal fine which I am truly hoping. It appears he is calcium deficient or as the Vet said "rickets". His previous owner probably fed him a diet that lacks his nutritional requirements therefore making him very fragile.

On the long run, it is fine. I have no problem caring for him. I am positive he would've died with the previous owner

This forum has definitely been a great help.
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Old 15-02-2016, 03:19 PM
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Fingers crossed for a good recovery, post any updates!

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Old 15-02-2016, 03:48 PM
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At the Vet's, they examined and took an X-ray of his leg. The image showed his leg completely broken in half. They did not insert any pins or surgery but splinted his leg in a very secured manner. They said he should heal fine which I am truly hoping. It appears he is calcium deficient or as the Vet said "rickets". His previous owner probably fed him a diet that lacks his nutritional requirements therefore making him very fragile.

Well i certainly hope it wasnt as a result of bating off that perch you had which is far from ideal mate ?
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Old 15-02-2016, 05:48 PM
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Bradaz: Thank you, will do.

Shaun: Negative, that perch is the one I have in Buriram. I have him on a different slightly lower perch here in Bangkok. As for now, he is in a carton box. Not much he can do of course. Hope the little guy recovers well, I hear both positive and negative things on birds with broken legs.

Here are a few photos by the way. The first one was from a few days ago and the second one of course is him now.
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Old 16-02-2016, 01:43 PM
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I used to keep one years ago it was an african one , which are basically identical , young bird as well.

these birds are to be treated like common kestrels,
another point is heat: food shouldn't be left there , nor should the bird be forcefeed ( this is a last resource in very special circunstances;
food:reptiles, and mammal meat is just right.
big insects as well if you happen to be able to find some .
may I suggest you to feed and train it on several type of prey ( in a close place if possible ) insects, lezards ,mice etc.. the more varied the better.

then train him free and try to catch something outside , then increase its weight
slowly , until he will just fly away , with experience, knowledge of the area andplenty of prey around , that could give it a good chance.
for any advice don't hesitate you will find good ones here .
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