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Old 27-11-2016, 07:20 PM
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Default Harris Hawk 'not for hunting' ?

Hello,
I have this question with regard to HH.
I am sorry if I offend some falconers with this issue.
After an owl rehab experience, I'd like to start falconry with female HH.

However, hunting is not a goal, and i'm not sure I want to have an animal for the sole hunting purpose. I know some would think there is not getting into Falconry if not for hunting.

Also, since HH is 'the' starting bird for apprentice falconers, I was wondering wether I would have an unhappy chap if I don"t train it to hunt live game.
What I would do would be fly it everyday or so, have it play with a lure, take it to the field.
When flying on the field, I would not restrain the bird's instinct if something passes by, but I would not actively try to flush quarry.

Has anyone have experience with non hunting HH ?

Last question : Should the quarters be isolated or would the bird appreciate to see movement around ?
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Old 27-11-2016, 07:27 PM
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Default Re: Harris Hawk 'not for hunting' ?

You may get some flack,but Falconry is the taking of game with a trained Falcon/Hawk,,

Great white,Tiger,wolf,lion how can you keep a hunting/predator as a pet,,
Can I ask why you want a Harris Hawk?
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Old 27-11-2016, 08:47 PM
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Default Re: Harris Hawk 'not for hunting' ?

Everyone will moan that 'falconry' is hunting with a bird of prey. So call it something else so they cant moan.

There are 4 Harris' where I volunteer and 3 have never hunted and are great fun. If i wasnt hunting Id personally have a male as they seem more energetic and laid back in terms of aggression but the latter may be those specific 4.

I love hunting but I dont think its the only way to enjoy a Harris
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Old 28-11-2016, 05:42 AM
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Everyone will moan that 'falconry' is hunting with a bird of prey. So call it something else so they cant moan.

There are 4 Harris' where I volunteer and 3 have never hunted and are great fun. If i wasnt hunting Id personally have a male as they seem more energetic and laid back in terms of aggression but the latter may be those specific 4.

I love hunting but I dont think its the only way to enjoy a Harris
Less than a month ago you posted to ask what the differences in character are between male and female Harris hawks and now you have the expertise to recommend a male to a novice and the experience to state that it's really not necessary to hunt a Harris hawk at all. And you gained all this knowledge from a couple of week's volunteering.? Amazing.
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Old 28-11-2016, 08:41 AM
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Default Re: Harris Hawk 'not for hunting' ?

Rene

Thats why i specifically said it may only be the specific 4 that I see.

5months volunteering 3 times a week and a hunt once a week gives me more than zero experience and i was saying what i saw. The none-hunted males seem very relaxed and just happy to get fed while flying, relative to the females.

Youre obviously the hunting specialist, so elite that you cant stand people giving suggestions

I also didnt say its not 'necessary' to hunt them. If a bird that is only motivated by food is getting fed, and exercised then whats the problem?

Obviously you know I am wrong so why not put in your input
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Old 28-11-2016, 09:04 AM
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Default Re: Harris Hawk 'not for hunting' ?

It would be wise to learn the skills of dispatching quarry among other things theres a chance your bird will hunt whether you want to or not . nothing worse than someone stood there and a animal suffering because the person flying the bird is hesitant or doesent know what to do . i flew alot of my hours with out hunting and it gave me alot of pleasure and other people as well . but so did hunting had a real bond with the bird when hunting .
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Old 28-11-2016, 10:32 AM
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there are many who fly hh without hunting ,whether deliberately or due to heir lack of quarry or abilities(and you would have to be pretty unlucky or inept to not hunt with a Harris hawk )

there are also many many who fly Harris hawks with no intention of ever going near quarry ,the fairs ,centres ,experience places and such like are full of them
The birds are fine and often several ounces above a true hunting weight so its more than possible and reasonable even if it doesnt meet the criteria of the definition of falconry ,its certainly a better option than many left sitting in pens
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Old 28-11-2016, 11:24 AM
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Youre obviously the hunting specialist, so elite that you cant stand people giving suggestions
Nope, I'm neither a specialist nor elite. But I would never have purchased a Harris hawk if I'd no intention of hunting it and I would NEVER advise any novice that they should get a Harris hawk with no intention of hunting it. The initial pleasure of flying back and forth soon palls for both you and the hawk, in the longer term it presents no challenge for either of you and the chances of letting a day pass and then another so that the hawk ends up aviary bound and neglected are increased. I have extremely strong feelings about the widespread neglect of Harris hawks and how expendable they seem to be for so many. There are many creatures that might be kept as pets and I don't happen to believe a bird of prey is one of them. Nope, I don't have any problem at all with people giving suggestions, if they have the knowledge to do so but it's a truth that falconry is a hunting pursuit and there's no arguing with that fact.
How content the hawk is to not be hunted is open to debate. My female Harris was hunted every possible day throughout each season for thirteen years but arthritis of the lower spine has impacted considerably on my hedge climbing and ditch jumping abilities, so I'm having to consider this issue myself quite carefully in relation to my own hawk. She will have to cope with less and I will have to cope with guilt. So the gay abandon with which people are encouraged to purchase a Harris with no bloody intention of ever giving it any opportunity to hunt appalls me. You asked for my input and there's my input. What was it you said in your first post.....'Everyone will moan that 'falconry' is hunting with a bird of prey. So call it something else so they cant moan'....... It's that comment that made me respond when I very rarely contribute to this forum any more. It's an up yourself, smart'ass comment that's entirely disrespectful and a reflection of quite unbelievable arrogance from someone who has never trained or owned a hawk.
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Old 29-11-2016, 07:47 AM
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Sir, may I suggest a Buzzard for your 'Bird of Prey'. I have tried to be a Falconer for 46yrs. My F.Redtail is 16yrs and still providing Christmas dinner. However I have assisted with 'rehab' with various B.O,P. inc. Owls over the years - and - the Common Buzzard is very, very quick to change and will happily watch Prey go by - as long as it knows where you and dinner are. Harris M or F will always try!

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Old 29-11-2016, 09:02 AM
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Nope, I'm neither a specialist nor elite. But I would never have purchased a Harris hawk if I'd no intention of hunting it and I would NEVER advise any novice that they should get a Harris hawk with no intention of hunting it. The initial pleasure of flying back and forth soon palls for both you and the hawk, in the longer term it presents no challenge for either of you and the chances of letting a day pass and then another so that the hawk ends up aviary bound and neglected are increased. I have extremely strong feelings about the widespread neglect of Harris hawks and how expendable they seem to be for so many. There are many creatures that might be kept as pets and I don't happen to believe a bird of prey is one of them. Nope, I don't have any problem at all with people giving suggestions, if they have the knowledge to do so but it's a truth that falconry is a hunting pursuit and there's no arguing with that fact.
How content the hawk is to not be hunted is open to debate. My female Harris was hunted every possible day throughout each season for thirteen years but arthritis of the lower spine has impacted considerably on my hedge climbing and ditch jumping abilities, so I'm having to consider this issue myself quite carefully in relation to my own hawk. She will have to cope with less and I will have to cope with guilt. So the gay abandon with which people are encouraged to purchase a Harris with no bloody intention of ever giving it any opportunity to hunt appalls me. You asked for my input and there's my input. What was it you said in your first post.....'Everyone will moan that 'falconry' is hunting with a bird of prey. So call it something else so they cant moan'....... It's that comment that made me respond when I very rarely contribute to this forum any more. It's an up yourself, smart'ass comment that's entirely disrespectful and a reflection of quite unbelievable arrogance from someone who has never trained or owned a hawk.


A great reply Rene!
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