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Old 10-10-2015, 12:55 PM
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Hi Lee
i posed this question on the BFC forum .Have hawks the right not to be abused in the production of freaks, as a welfare issue .
Have hawks the right not to lose their natural identity as with the case of imprints.
It might make a worthy thread on its own.

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Hi Steve

I am not a member of the BFC ( you will most probably find that HB members put a stop to that)so obviously haven't read it.
I have witnessed personally how some of people mentioned treat their hawks and dogs.
I am afraid it's $ not welfare.
It's difficult to judge welfare /ethical v financial gain.

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Old 10-10-2015, 06:54 PM
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100%true Lee, To get a hawk or falcon and never get it on the wing in its life. Banged up in an enclosure. Makes me sick. The thought is all about the money.
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Old 10-10-2015, 07:00 PM
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100%true Lee, To get a hawk or falcon and never get it on the wing in its life. Banged up in an enclosure. Makes me sick. The thought is all about the money.
Hi Adam
when Ken Mcdougall asked questions about the welfare issues surrounding banged up hawks, he really rattled some breeders , they were so aggressive to him he stopped posting on this forum.
The real issues will never go away.
Hope you had a good flight today .

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Old 10-10-2015, 07:40 PM
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Hi Steve, Sonny tagged a Red Leg but didn't hold on. Looking forward to tomorrow.

Those that have interests in the financial side of what ever the subject will always defend it no matter what. I find it hard to take when they try and justify taking an yaws and putting it straight in to a breeding chamber. No flying at all. For me it's terrible.
Before anyone gets all heated about this saying "without breeders we wouldn't have birds to fly" try flying them first then breed, then fly again.
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Old 10-10-2015, 07:49 PM
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Hi Steve, Sonny tagged a Red Leg but didn't hold on. Looking forward to tomorrow.

Those that have interests in the financial side of what ever the subject will always defend it no matter what. I find it hard to take when they try and justify taking an yaws and putting it straight in to a breeding chamber. No flying at all. For me it's terrible.
Before anyone gets all heated about this saying "without breeders we wouldn't have birds to fly" try flying them first then breed, then fly again.
Hi Adam
you are right about the flying of breeding pairs i did it with two different pairs of Peregrines the sport always came first.

It always good to look forward to a day off.

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Sonny always comes back well after a day off. Need to get some chores done around the home. I will go out and replenish the feeders tomorrow.
If you ever fancy a trip up, it would be good to see you.
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Old 10-10-2015, 08:01 PM
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Sonny always comes back well after a day off. Need to get some chores done around the home. I will go out and replenish the feeders tomorrow.
If you ever fancy a trip up, it would be good to see you.
Hi Adam
would love to see him before the season ends ,going up to Kens at some point maybe then if convenient.

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Old 10-10-2015, 08:05 PM
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Any time Steve, just let me know.

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Old 11-10-2015, 07:17 AM
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We also have plenty of buzzards and peregrines over here in thurrock, essex.
Buzzards generally move off when we turn up, but some will sore very high over
us just looking then move on.
Peregrine can spoil a flight from time to time as they will come in to chase the birds and foot them when they can and visa versa, but again not to often even though they are always around and it is spectacular to see the wild falcons hunt when they are switched on.
Cant say that the wild buzzards have caused any problems with the released
Pheasant even as they are always somewhere close by, could be luck.
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Old 11-10-2015, 09:10 AM
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When we lived out in Germany I had a male Goshawk killed by a Buzzard while out hunting, then about 6 months later a mate had his female Goshawk killed. The sheer numbers of them out there was ridiculous compared to anything I have seen in the UK so much so that every few years they appear on the hunting list as a pest species to be culled.

Thankfully down in this part of Kent they are not that numerous and only see them occasionally however last year whilst out with the Gos he looked up and called and as I looked up there was a Buzzard just holding in the wind about 30 feet above us.

Sadly the chance we have to take at times to enjoy Falconry.
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