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Old 23-05-2011, 11:17 PM
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Default The Imprint Goshawk Formula?

I keep reading this stuff on here, contradiction to be believed. What, if anyone can say, is the most reliable, problem free method, of rearing such a hawk?

From what I can gather, it be no different from a barn owl for most folk - take about, exposure, etc, hello to everyone, and everything the fledgling might meet. But then, in austringers, there's the notion of special method; so as to reduce screaming and all the worst habits, quick. Total bull. If such things have happened with austringers, whereby can they show this, then I'm glad. But it is incident, circumstance, and nothing to get excited about, without more example. And nobody can replicate exactly, taking into account the mood of the eyas.

Seems to me that we're responding to anecdote these days, less to real time understanding of juvenile hawk growth. No real science involved, no behaviourism, just stories. Choose your fairy tail. I like the goats gruff.

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Old 23-05-2011, 11:22 PM
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Johny,

I have produced a few decent imprints ,but they have only been silent when handed over to someone else. They always tend to be bombproof though.
The only person I have ever seen produce consistently silent imprints ,is Jim Entwhistle.I don't know exactly what he does, but it works. On top of that they hardly mantle either.

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Old 23-05-2011, 11:29 PM
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Johny,

I have produced a few decent imprints ,but they have only been silent when handed over to someone else. They always tend to be bombproof though.
The only person I have ever seen produce consistently silent imprints ,is Jim Entwhistle.I don't know exactly what he does, but it works. On top of that they hardly mantle either.

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Attention to detail I reckon.
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Old 23-05-2011, 11:30 PM
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Johny,

I have produced a few decent imprints ,but they have only been silent when handed over to someone else. They always tend to be bombproof though.
The only person I have ever seen produce consistently silent imprints ,is Jim Entwhistle.I don't know exactly what he does, but it works. On top of that they hardly mantle either.

Atb,
Neil.
Thank you Neil,

From only forum knowledge of Jim's rearing skills, I feel very much inclined to value them. And there is no doubt he is having success.

All the best

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I keep reading this stuff on here, contradiction to be believed. What, if anyone can say, is the most reliable, problem free method, of rearing such a hawk?

From what I can gather, it be no different from a barn owl for most folk - take about, exposure, etc, hello to everyone, and everything the fledgling might meet. But then, in austringers, there's the notion of special method; so as to reduce screaming and all the worst habits, quick. Total bull. If such things have happened with austringers, whereby they can show this, then I'm glad. But it's incident, circumstance, and nothing to get excited about, without more example. And nobody can replicate exactly, taking into account the mood of the eyas.

Seems to me that we're responding to anecdote these days, less to real time understanding of juvenile hawk growth. No real science involved, no behaviourism, just stories. Choose your fairy tail. I like the goats gruff.

Johny
Not sure there is a 'magic' formula either
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Old 23-05-2011, 11:40 PM
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not sure there is a 'magic' formula either
Me neither. Respect ideas, respect attempts, respect success, but not found any piece of information that say's 'this is how to achieve this'

Tells me it's accidental, and where success, combined with hawk wherewithal, development, and instinct - what is there left?

But I still respect what Jim's done with his hawks.

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Old 24-05-2011, 12:20 AM
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Johny,

I have produced a few decent imprints ,but they have only been silent when handed over to someone else. They always tend to be bombproof though.
The only person I have ever seen produce consistently silent imprints ,is Jim Entwhistle.I don't know exactly what he does, but it works. On top of that they hardly mantle either.

Atb,
Neil.
I should add Neil, I have only one experience of one imprint. Bought from one breeder, penned, excellent hawk, well socialised with life. Weight drop. Say no more.

Be very glad to hear of other ways of doing things, in detail, so as the rationale could be understood. If there's a secret, I wonder why we'd keep it. Being friends n'all. I suspect that Jim flies them high and his intuition deals with the rest. Bombproof I think is simple, when I think of the owl and the hawks. It's the silence and the manners that we're after.

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I think I see what you are saying Johny. There seems to be many threads on the subject of many hawks who are successful and compliant in the field, but very few on the taking and training of those hawks, a diary as it were. Or have I missed some ? Even a recollection from a diary would provide an insight into the different methods used, on a daily basis. As you say, is it a secret, something that the more sussessful do not want to divulge, thereby creating the mystery ? Or, are the unsuccessful ones reluctant to relate the failings, and their take on how things should have been done, in hindsight. No "warts and all" revelations, or are there ?
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Old 24-05-2011, 01:21 AM
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I think I see what you are saying Johny. There seems to be many threads on the subject of many hawks who are successful and compliant in the field, but very few on the taking and training of those hawks, a diary as it were. Or have I missed some ? Even a recollection from a diary would provide an insight into the different methods used, on a daily basis. As you say, is it a secret, something that the more sussessful do not want to divulge, thereby creating the mystery ? Or, are the unsuccessful ones reluctant to relate the failings, and their take on how things should have been done, in hindsight. No "warts and all" revelations, or are there ?
Stewart my friend, where abouts in Ireland are you?

But you're entirely right you know, there will be few to admit the same. You haven't missed anything. It's all a myth, atleast amongst austringers the joke lasts. It's more easily done than you would imagine.

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Old 24-05-2011, 07:27 AM
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Johny,

I have produced a few decent imprints ,but they have only been silent when handed over to someone else. They always tend to be bombproof though.
The only person I have ever seen produce consistently silent imprints ,is Jim Entwhistle.I don't know exactly what he does, but it works. On top of that they hardly mantle either.

Atb,
Neil.
Thanks Neil,
You can't write everything that is done, each goshawk has slight differences and most of the rearing is adapted as you go along.

Some things I avoid i.e no carcass feeding or early weight reduction.

Yours Jim.
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